More than 500,000 people have signed a petition demanding justice for rail worker Belly Mujinga who died after being spat at by a man claiming to have Covid-19.
But the investigation found nobody spat at her.
The force said it had not found any evidence of anyone spitting during the incident, and that a 57-year-old man they interviewed had a test result showing he had not had Covid-19.
More than 500,000 people have signed a petition demanding justice for rail worker Belly Mujinga who died after being spat at by a man claiming to have Covid-19.
But the investigation found nobody spat at her.
The force said it had not found any evidence of anyone spitting during the incident, and that a 57-year-old man they interviewed had a test result showing he had not had Covid-19.
Oh dear, thank goodness once more that the imbecilic Theresa May is not involved with negotiations.
It should be obvious for anyone with two braincells to rub together that insisting before negotiations you will get a particular element from the party opposite gives the party opposite a blank cheque on what they can demand.
What a plonker. She's learnt nothing from her failure.
She produced the best, most workable, Brexit solution out there.
As the months and years roll on you will have time to repent along with most of the country and rue bitterly the day that Parliament voted down her deal.
I guarantee it.
The only people left who will be happy that her deal failed will be the anarchists like Cummings and Farage.
There'll be a cold day in hell before I back May's deal I can assure you that.
I opposed it entirely consistently on principles.
'Principles' that would have embraced the return of sectarian violence to the streets of Northern Ireland in order to deliver your version of a pure Brexit. Never mind the break up of the UK and murder on our streets, those are secondary for you.
Shameful. And that's euphemistic.
Garbage. I would never embrace violence but not would I abandon my principles to the threat of them either.
There are fates worse than murder on our streets by terrorism. If Islamic terrorists threatened Troubles level of violence if we didn't disenfranchise women would you give in to such threats?
More than 500,000 people have signed a petition demanding justice for rail worker Belly Mujinga who died after being spat at by a man claiming to have Covid-19.
But the investigation found nobody spat at her.
The force said it had not found any evidence of anyone spitting during the incident, and that a 57-year-old man they interviewed had a test result showing he had not had Covid-19.
The media's reporting of that case was appalling.
Twitter are now trying to twist this into a race thing, as a man was prosecuted for spitting at a white police officer, while having COVID.
The expulsions have already started. It's great to see.
Yeah, me!
You've been expelled?
Effectively. LGU wrote to me rejecting my provisional membership as I was a LibDem last year. Email imprint from Jennie Formby. So thats an effective 2 year ban. There isn't anything at all stopping people defecting from one party to another and Salma Yaqoob can testify, so its a "GS has absolute power to say no" that did it. One of my local enemies worked for Laura Pillock and got upset when I called her "Pidcock" on a facebook page - been suggested that she got me bounced by going directly to the departing Formby.
Perhaps the Labour Party judged that your loyalties were too fickle given that you joined and campaigned for an opposition party?
Or perhaps the LP would not wish to encourage membership of the sort of people who find it so very amusing to change Pidcock to Pillock? (I write as a gronw-up anti-Corbynite).
A generally crap and dull PMQs with Boris marginally better than normal.
Sir Keir got a bit snarky about a letter.
Boris looked a bloody scruffy mess again.
Last week was the week when Starmer could have caused him all sorts of trouble. The news cycle has moved on, events have moved on, the momentum has moved on ; an extremely lucky escape for Mr J.
No it’s called unexpected consequences of one actions. If it proves that the allegations are true then it’s their own fault. Why should the media give them a free pass?
And if the allegations aren't true it's a petty vendetta. That it's happening now certainly matches that.
So when someone complains to the planning department of your council that someone has built a property without permission they shouldn't investigate? They've stuck an ugly great extension on the back, it blocks out the sun in your garden, they shouldn't investigate the allegation that they didn't get planning permission?
You're saying one rule for Cummings one rule for everyone else...
No I'm saying that if there was an objection it should have been filed when I was done. If the sun was blocked out I'd file a complaint immediately not when the person who did it hit the news.
The complaint is that the building was erected without planning permission. If permission was asked for and refused then yes, object at the point it was filed. However, if planning permission was not sought its's hard to object at the proper time as that time never existed. Hence the need to investigate, the planning authority doing its legal duty.
When was the building erected?
If it blocked out the sun then that should have been obvious when it was erected. If it's been up for years but nobody realised then it clearly isn't blocking out anyone's sun etc
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
A generally crap and dull PMQs with Boris marginally better than normal.
Sir Keir got a bit snarky about a letter.
Boris looked a bloody scruffy mess again.
Last week was the week when Starmer could have caused him all sorts of trouble. The news cycle has moved on, events have moved on, the momentum has moved on ; an extremely lucky escape for Mr J.
No it’s called unexpected consequences of one actions. If it proves that the allegations are true then it’s their own fault. Why should the media give them a free pass?
And if the allegations aren't true it's a petty vendetta. That it's happening now certainly matches that.
So when someone complains to the planning department of your council that someone has built a property without permission they shouldn't investigate? They've stuck an ugly great extension on the back, it blocks out the sun in your garden, they shouldn't investigate the allegation that they didn't get planning permission?
You're saying one rule for Cummings one rule for everyone else...
No I'm saying that if there was an objection it should have been filed when I was done. If the sun was blocked out I'd file a complaint immediately not when the person who did it hit the news.
The complaint is that the building was erected without planning permission. If permission was asked for and refused then yes, object at the point it was filed. However, if planning permission was not sought its's hard to object at the proper time as that time never existed. Hence the need to investigate, the planning authority doing its legal duty.
When was the building erected?
If it blocked out the sun then that should have been obvious when it was erected. If it's been up for years but nobody realised then it clearly isn't blocking out anyone's sun etc
Last month was the first time the sun shone in County Durham for three years.
A generally crap and dull PMQs with Boris marginally better than normal.
Sir Keir got a bit snarky about a letter.
Boris looked a bloody scruffy mess again.
Last week was the week when Starmer could have caused him all sorts of trouble. The news cycle has moved on, events have moved on, the momentum has moved on ; an extremely lucky escape for Mr J.
No it’s called unexpected consequences of one actions. If it proves that the allegations are true then it’s their own fault. Why should the media give them a free pass?
And if the allegations aren't true it's a petty vendetta. That it's happening now certainly matches that.
So when someone complains to the planning department of your council that someone has built a property without permission they shouldn't investigate? They've stuck an ugly great extension on the back, it blocks out the sun in your garden, they shouldn't investigate the allegation that they didn't get planning permission?
You're saying one rule for Cummings one rule for everyone else...
No I'm saying that if there was an objection it should have been filed when I was done. If the sun was blocked out I'd file a complaint immediately not when the person who did it hit the news.
Some things get looked at closer, or even noticed for the first time when there's a spotlight shone on them.
179 new deaths in England. Absolutely loads of back dating, all the way back to 24th March !!!!
Last 3 days, 18 / 47 / 20
Piers Moron will shortly be screaming about death rate rising.
How are we backdating so far? That seems absurd!
I believe it is newly discovered that it was COVID. One thing we have to give credit for in the UK, we really don't just sweep cause of death under the carpet. They go above and beyond to try to find out why.
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Can’t Johnson brush his hair, he looks embarrassing
I seem to remember a lot of Labour supporters taking offence with Tories criticising Corbyn's appearance back in the day.
Let's face it the Jezziah looked decidedly unkempt. But I agree that it was wrong to point it out then just as it's wrong to point it out now.
A man's abilities are not determined by how well he brushes his hair or where his suits come from.
Corbyn was massively smartened up by Labour's stylists – which suggests that the party did recognise that it was important.
There's definitely a minimum standard required, Corbyn's people did well to drag him through a tailor's shop when Cameron made that criticism of him.
Likewise, Boris needs to be dragged through a barber's shop. The deliberately scruffy look really doesn't come across well during a major crisis.
He is trying to hide his loss of hair, if you look closely he’s going bald
No, it's a deliberate, carefully cultivated look. It's supposed to be a bit boyish and raffish, I think. Appeals to his base.
I thought he looked a good deal better today than he has recently. He's put a bit of weight back on, he didn't look tired and he showed some energy.
The half-empty chamber doesn't help him though. You can see he's used to the braying support as he looks round towards his own benches, but without the numbers it is less effective. Starmer's more cerebral style works better in a thinly attended Chamber.
All the same, Boris did ok today. Starmer made some good points but without doing any damage. The PM generally fielded the questions satisfactorily and even managed a little well-judged humour. Curiously the most awkward moments arose from his refusal to condemn Donald Trump. That's the kind of thing which can be used again and again by the opposition.
On the whole a rather dull PMQ, so therefore quite a decent one for the PM.
The expulsions have already started. It's great to see.
Yeah, me!
You've been expelled?
Effectively. LGU wrote to me rejecting my provisional membership as I was a LibDem last year. Email imprint from Jennie Formby. So thats an effective 2 year ban. There isn't anything at all stopping people defecting from one party to another and Salma Yaqoob can testify, so its a "GS has absolute power to say no" that did it. One of my local enemies worked for Laura Pillock and got upset when I called her "Pidcock" on a facebook page - been suggested that she got me bounced by going directly to the departing Formby.
Perhaps the Labour Party judged that your loyalties were too fickle given that you joined and campaigned for an opposition party?
Or perhaps the LP would not wish to encourage membership of the sort of people who find it so very amusing to change Pidcock to Pillock? (I write as a gronw-up anti-Corbynite).
I knew what I was doing, I will take the punishment. That the cultists were such screaming hypocrites does make me chuckle - I'm too fickle but Yaqoob is not? Similarly the other person locally who I know was the most vocally against me defecting from the LibDems to Labour himself defected from the LibDems to Labour...
As for Pillock, she truly was one. And as the (now departed cos not Corbynite) Senior Regional Director replied to the complaint against me she's hardly going to be upset by a barb like that which was made on a private Labour Facebook group.
I'll be back. Or maybe I won't. Maybe the Labour Party has no interest in regaining the support of its former loyal supporters. Maybe I should just "fuck off and join the Tories then" as "I'm coming back to destroy the last traces of socialism in the party" (both direct quotes from an old friend of mine prominent and active in the party locally). I know the Tories would welcome me, have that in writing from in a personal email from my new MP
More than 500,000 people have signed a petition demanding justice for rail worker Belly Mujinga who died after being spat at by a man claiming to have Covid-19.
But the investigation found nobody spat at her.
The force said it had not found any evidence of anyone spitting during the incident, and that a 57-year-old man they interviewed had a test result showing he had not had Covid-19.
How did that story even happen if there was no evidence for it whatsoever?
The backdating thing is causing too much confusion.
They should publish today's deaths which (assuming Francis is right, and I've no reason to doubt him) is 18 today in England.
Absolutely should have done this from the beginning and then updated the chart every day (in the way Prof Cricket does). I have absolutely no idea why they didn't, but also no excuse after 3 months that the morons that suppose to report on this get it wrong every damn day.
I don't think Starmer is interested in scoring a win against Johnson in PMQs. He's trying to make the case that he would be better at this stuff than the incumbent. More in bafflement at Johnson's incompetence than in anger.
The normal incumbent response to a challenger asserting incompetence is to point to their own record: "I am busy saving people's lives, protecting the economy from the effects of the epidemic, delivering a great Brexit result etc. What's he doing?".
It's telling that Johnson is so averse to discussing his record.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
The backdating thing is causing too much confusion.
They should publish today's deaths which (assuming Francis is right, and I've no reason to doubt him) is 18 today in England.
Absolutely should have done this from the beginning and then updated the chart every day (in the way Prof Cricket does). I have absolutely no idea why they didn't, but also no excuse after 3 months that the morons that suppose to report on this get it wrong every damn day.
Indeed, it's a stupid system made worse by even stupider analyses by the media.
179 new deaths in England. Absolutely loads of back dating, all the way back to 24th March !!!!
Last 3 days, 18 / 47 / 20
Piers Moron will shortly be screaming about death rate rising.
How are we backdating so far? That seems absurd!
I believe it is newly discovered that it was COVID. One thing we have to give credit for in the UK, we really don't just sweep cause of death under the carpet. They go above and beyond to try to find out why.
Which is why the useful stats are going to be excess deaths over a baseline, for all countries.
There's too many different methodologies in use, so it's unfair to criticise one country for having high Covid death stats, when all they are doing is being meticulous and testing post-mortem samples. There's also the ups and downs of other types of death due to the temporary social measures in place (more suicides, fewer traffic and industrial accidents etc.).
Thankfully, most countries (China, Russia and perhaps India excepted), manage to record numbers of deaths accurately.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
If saving Nissan was their top priority even if they voted Leave in 2016 they should have voted Labour or LD in 2019 as they both ruled out WTO terms and were more willing to consider staying in the single market as Nissan execs said they wanted.
The Tories never ruled out WTO terms Brexit under Boris if the EU refused to do a Canada style FTA so if they still went ahead and voted Tory they have nobody to blame but themselves
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Significant sections of the US media are covertly supporting the riots, often with omissions in reporting and talking about protestors rather than rioters.
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
If saving Nissan was their top priority even if they voted Leave in 2016 they should have voted Labour or LD in 2019 as they both ruled out WTO terms and were more willing to consider staying in the single market as Nissan execs said they wanted.
The Tories never ruled out WTO terms Brexit under Boris if the EU refused to do a Canada style FTA so if they still went ahead and voted Tory they have nobody to blame but themselves
And who did Sunderland vote for as you continually told us?
I hope that's made the flaw in your argument obvious enough even to you.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
"You voted to make yourself unemployed. Can I count on your support again"?
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
If saving Nissan was their top priority even if they voted Leave in 2016 they should have voted Labour or LD in 2019 as they both ruled out WTO terms and were more willing to consider staying in the single market as Nissan execs said they wanted.
The Tories never ruled out WTO terms Brexit under Boris if the EU refused to do a Canada style FTA so if they still went ahead and voted Tory they have nobody to blame but themselves
That’s going to be a marvellous election slogan at the next election.
“Unemployed? Well, you voted for us last time so it’s your fault. Vote for us again.”
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
You asked if it was official party line, it is not.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
"they voted for Brexit"
Yes, why did they vote for Brexit
"because they want Brexit. So we have to give them Brexit"
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Significant sections of the US media are covertly supporting the riots, often with omissions in reporting and talking about protestors rather than rioters.
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
Watching CNN vs Fox, it is a different world.
CNN started segments by overwhelmingly peaceful, but right wing white supremacists / nationalists pretending to be other groups involved in the violence, oh and probably some left wing groups.
Fox was ANTIFA, ANTIFA, ANTIFA.
White Supremacists driving the violence is up there with Birtherism.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
If saving Nissan was their top priority even if they voted Leave in 2016 they should have voted Labour or LD in 2019 as they both ruled out WTO terms and were more willing to consider staying in the single market as Nissan execs said they wanted.
The Tories never ruled out WTO terms Brexit under Boris if the EU refused to do a Canada style FTA so if they still went ahead and voted Tory they have nobody to blame but themselves
Do you think the vast majority understood this with all the crap that was being put out by both sides. You only had to hear the nonsense a lot of the public said when being interviewed in the street. My father voted leave because there were enough black people here already!!! I'm embarrassed typing that for (at least) 2 reasons.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
If saving Nissan was their top priority even if they voted Leave in 2016 they should have voted Labour or LD in 2019 as they both ruled out WTO terms and were more willing to consider staying in the single market as Nissan execs said they wanted.
The Tories never ruled out WTO terms Brexit under Boris if the EU refused to do a Canada style FTA so if they still went ahead and voted Tory they have nobody to blame but themselves
That’s going to be a marvellous election slogan at the next election.
“Unemployed? Well, you voted for us last time so it’s your fault. Vote for us again.”
Rather thankfully HYUFD does not write the slogans!
He's told me, Big G and many others not to vote for the party so what does he know?
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Significant sections of the US media are covertly supporting the riots, often with omissions in reporting and talking about protestors rather than rioters.
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
Watching CNN vs Fox, it is a different world.
CNN started segments by overwhelmingly peaceful, but right wing white supremacists / nationalists pretending to be other groups involved in the violence, oh and probably some left wing groups.
Fox was ANTIFA, ANTIFA, ANTIFA.
White Supremacists driving the violence is up there with Birtherism.
Neither of them are news organizations any more. In fact I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anything as neutral as the BBC over there.
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Significant sections of the US media are covertly supporting the riots, often with omissions in reporting and talking about protestors rather than rioters.
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
Watching CNN vs Fox, it is a different world.
CNN started segments by overwhelmingly peaceful, but right wing white supremacists / nationalists pretending to be other groups involved in the violence, oh and probably some left wing groups.
Fox was ANTIFA, ANTIFA, ANTIFA.
White Supremacists driving the violence is up there with Birtherism.
Neither of them are news organizations any more. In fact I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anything as neutral as the BBC over there.
It is shocking to watch. As you say it isn't news, it is just political speeches dressed up as news.
CNN were pushing the white supremacist / out of towners / ANTIFA are just right wing imaginary bogeyman, no tanks in Baghdad line. Fox were pushing the ANTIFA are root of all of this, piss poor weak liberal mayors, indoctrination on university campus line.
The reality is the US does have a problem with violent hard left groups which have been allowed to grow in cities like Portland under the banner of being protesting fascism.
They also have a white supremacy / nationalist problem, but the thought that a few are covertly going into majority black cities and lobbing a couple of bricks to get things started is ludicrous.
179 new deaths in England. Absolutely loads of back dating, all the way back to 24th March !!!!
Last 3 days, 18 / 47 / 20
Piers Moron will shortly be screaming about death rate rising.
I must admit I thought the backdating was new deaths.
Of course they are not new deaths, they are newly attributable to COVID.
Presumably lots of people die infected with the virus but not of the virus?
Absolutely, other countries do not record those as Covid deaths but in the UK we do. If you are squashed by a bus and you test positive for Covid then it is recorded as a Covid death
The backdating thing is causing too much confusion.
They should publish today's deaths which (assuming Francis is right, and I've no reason to doubt him) is 18 today in England.
It is not 18. We don't know what Today's deaths is.
Look at Sweden (the country I now have the figures at hand for). On the 3rd of May using this approach they would have announced 5. The actual figure for that time period now stands at 73.
It's the same for us. Until all the tests come back we don't know how many people died.
It would be obsfucartory nonsense to announce the last 24 hours figures - the last 24 hours figures are meaningless.
If you wanted a single's dat figure then you could get them announcing the daily figure from a fortnight ago.
No he wasn't!! He's just forensic and cool. There are only two take-aways from that PMQ's. 1. The letter (bad for Johnson) and 2. the appearance and manner of Johnson (bad for Johnson).
You're missing the biggest one - 24 hour test turn around be end of month - thats one heck of a rod for PHE (and the government)'s backs.
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Significant sections of the US media are covertly supporting the riots, often with omissions in reporting and talking about protestors rather than rioters.
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
Watching CNN vs Fox, it is a different world.
CNN started segments by overwhelmingly peaceful, but right wing white supremacists / nationalists pretending to be other groups involved in the violence, oh and probably some left wing groups.
Fox was ANTIFA, ANTIFA, ANTIFA.
White Supremacists driving the violence is up there with Birtherism.
Neither of them are news organizations any more. In fact I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anything as neutral as the BBC over there.
One reason why we should keep Cummings and the Tories generally away from the Beeb.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
HYUFD represents HYUFD not the Tories.
He is a blue Corbynite.
When over 60% of Tory voters with Yougov want to end the transition period and leave the single market and customs union I am sorry but that is the majority Tory view
More than 500,000 people have signed a petition demanding justice for rail worker Belly Mujinga who died after being spat at by a man claiming to have Covid-19.
But the investigation found nobody spat at her.
The force said it had not found any evidence of anyone spitting during the incident, and that a 57-year-old man they interviewed had a test result showing he had not had Covid-19.
Yet the BBC reporter reporting on a BLM demo cited her and her "death caused by spitting" as "fact".
How was that a "full frontal Brexit hand grenade"? Such things cannot be guaranteed, so they have to be negotiated for.
And I don't hear any cries of outrage that the EU are playing politics with our safety, as happened when it was mooted the UK might withhold the same information.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
"You voted to make yourself unemployed. Can I count on your support again"?
yeah, that'll work
Still better than coming 3rd behind the Brexit Party if the transition period is extended indefinitely
I dont like her policies but think Priti Patel is a lot better than opponents give her credit for, and above average in this very poor cabinet. In the Commons now she is polite, clear and on top of her brief. It is an extremely low bar but she is well ahead of the likes of Raab, Sharma, Shapps, Williamson or Rees Mogg.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
HYUFD represents HYUFD not the Tories.
He is a blue Corbynite.
When over 60% of Tory voters with Yougov want to end the transition period and leave the single market and customs union I am sorry but that is the majority Tory view
That is the majority Tory voter view.
It isn't the sole Tory voter view and "you shouldn't have voted Tory" is not Tory policy.
If the Tories had only got 60% of the votes they got last time there wouldn't even be a Tory government FFS! 😡
To channel my inner Liz Truss: You. Are. A. Disgrace.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
"You voted to make yourself unemployed. Can I count on your support again"?
yeah, that'll work
Still better than coming 3rd behind the Brexit Party if the transition period is extended indefinitely
Are you suggesting a Nigel Farage Premiership with Starmer still LOTO?
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Significant sections of the US media are covertly supporting the riots, often with omissions in reporting and talking about protestors rather than rioters.
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
More than 500,000 people have signed a petition demanding justice for rail worker Belly Mujinga who died after being spat at by a man claiming to have Covid-19.
But the investigation found nobody spat at her.
The force said it had not found any evidence of anyone spitting during the incident, and that a 57-year-old man they interviewed had a test result showing he had not had Covid-19.
Yet the BBC reporter reporting on a BLM demo cited her and her "death caused by spitting" as "fact".
This is incredibly dangerous at this heightened times. It is beyond irresponsible. Look what happened with Duggan case, a violent and armed career criminal.
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Significant sections of the US media are covertly supporting the riots, often with omissions in reporting and talking about protestors rather than rioters.
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
Watching CNN vs Fox, it is a different world.
CNN started segments by overwhelmingly peaceful, but right wing white supremacists / nationalists pretending to be other groups involved in the violence, oh and probably some left wing groups.
Fox was ANTIFA, ANTIFA, ANTIFA.
White Supremacists driving the violence is up there with Birtherism.
It's been very weird to watch, totally biased by everyone.
CNN had one report about about peaceful black protests and white supremacists stoking trouble, accompanied by images of black men looting a Nike store for trainers and fighting with police.
The truth is likely to be somewhere in the middle, there's a lot of people peacefully protesting the death in custody, alongside a number of different bunches of idiots looking for trouble. The total bias of the reports is what is noticeable though, the words and pictures just don't match up. I'm not seeing groups of white men in flags and MAGA hats anywhere.
There's also a lot of reports of media being attacked by police, I get a feeling that there's way more to some of those stories too.
Trying to find any reporting close to impartial is almost impossible, although there are a few independent journalists around trying to make sense of it all - to a Youtube audience in the tens of thousands.
179 new deaths in England. Absolutely loads of back dating, all the way back to 24th March !!!!
Last 3 days, 18 / 47 / 20
Piers Moron will shortly be screaming about death rate rising.
I must admit I thought the backdating was new deaths.
Of course they are not new deaths, they are newly attributable to COVID.
Presumably lots of people die infected with the virus but not of the virus?
Absolutely, other countries do not record those as Covid deaths but in the UK we do. If you are squashed by a bus and you test positive for Covid then it is recorded as a Covid death
There are 2 issues with this:
a) It shouldn't be and is nonsense if it is, although it may be because your vision was blurred (aka Cummings)
and
b) Why were you doing a Cummings in the first place by being out?
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
"they voted for Brexit"
Yes, why did they vote for Brexit
"because they want Brexit. So we have to give them Brexit"
Yes but what were they hoping for out of Brexit
"brexit"
To be fair, on an individual basis most people could give the reasons they supported Brexit. The problem has always been that collectively no single flavour Brexit had more than 25-30% public support. That makes it unlikely the Brexit coalition can survive the reality of Brexit, as whatever choices are made, even if implemented perfectly, a significant proportion will feel misled.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
"You voted to make yourself unemployed. Can I count on your support again"?
yeah, that'll work
Still better than coming 3rd behind the Brexit Party if the transition period is extended indefinitely
We’re not talking about Brexit, or the transition period. We’re simply talking about Nissan’s importance to the North East’s economy.
If it was to close, measures will have to be taken to address that. Simply stating “well it’s your own fault” is not going to cut the mustard.
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Significant sections of the US media are covertly supporting the riots, often with omissions in reporting and talking about protestors rather than rioters.
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
"A grainy surveillance video of the shooting, played during the briefing, shows that Gardner backed up and pointed a gun after two people tackled him in the street. He initially fired two shots into the air that did not hit anyone.
After Scurlock jumped on his back, Gardner can be heard saying "get off me" many times before fatally shooting Scurlock once in the clavicle, Kleine said. Scurlock was taken to a local hospital where he died from his injuries. "
Sounds tragic but like that one might actually have been self defence. Makes a difference that he was the one saying get off me many times rather than the other way around.
No he wasn't!! He's just forensic and cool. There are only two take-aways from that PMQ's. 1. The letter (bad for Johnson) and 2. the appearance and manner of Johnson (bad for Johnson).
You're missing the biggest one - 24 hour test turn around be end of month - thats one heck of a rod for PHE (and the government)'s backs.
Good. Look at what a shambles PHE were making of the testing, until Hancock made a public pledge of 100k tests in April and refused to back down.
179 new deaths in England. Absolutely loads of back dating, all the way back to 24th March !!!!
Last 3 days, 18 / 47 / 20
Piers Moron will shortly be screaming about death rate rising.
I must admit I thought the backdating was new deaths.
Of course they are not new deaths, they are newly attributable to COVID.
Presumably lots of people die infected with the virus but not of the virus?
Absolutely, other countries do not record those as Covid deaths but in the UK we do. If you are squashed by a bus and you test positive for Covid then it is recorded as a Covid death
There are 2 issues with this:
a) It shouldn't be and is nonsense if it is, although it may be because your vision was blurred (aka Cummings)
and
b) Why were you doing a Cummings in the first place by being out?
This 'you' wasn't Cummings was it?
There isn't, and never was, a total ban on going outside.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
"You voted to make yourself unemployed. Can I count on your support again"?
yeah, that'll work
Still better than coming 3rd behind the Brexit Party if the transition period is extended indefinitely
Are you suggesting a Nigel Farage Premiership with Starmer still LOTO?
I am suggesting never mind possibly losing the next general election, if the Tories extend indefinitely they face a Canada 1993 style wipe out at the next general election and being overtaken by the Brexit Party as the Reform Party overtook the Canadian Tories then
179 new deaths in England. Absolutely loads of back dating, all the way back to 24th March !!!!
Last 3 days, 18 / 47 / 20
Piers Moron will shortly be screaming about death rate rising.
I must admit I thought the backdating was new deaths.
Of course they are not new deaths, they are newly attributable to COVID.
Presumably lots of people die infected with the virus but not of the virus?
Absolutely, other countries do not record those as Covid deaths but in the UK we do. If you are squashed by a bus and you test positive for Covid then it is recorded as a Covid death
There are 2 issues with this:
a) It shouldn't be and is nonsense if it is, although it may be because your vision was blurred (aka Cummings)
and
b) Why were you doing a Cummings in the first place by being out?
This 'you' wasn't Cummings was it?
There isn't, and never was, a total ban on going outside.
There has been a lot of talk about potential second waves etc but I have yet to see any evidence of this particular virus having anything like that anywhere in the world. It does seem to burn out somewhat for reasons as yet unclear. It may be that by August the world will look very different.
No he wasn't!! He's just forensic and cool. There are only two take-aways from that PMQ's. 1. The letter (bad for Johnson) and 2. the appearance and manner of Johnson (bad for Johnson).
You're missing the biggest one - 24 hour test turn around be end of month - thats one heck of a rod for PHE (and the government)'s backs.
Good. Look at what a shambles PHE were making of the testing, until Hancock made a public pledge of 100k tests in April and refused to back down.
24 hour testing from July is perhaps a little late!
* Edit - Back of the envelope calculation would be if it goes well then over 90% of cases will have been and gone by the time our testing process works!
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
Here's the thing. Why is he wrong? They voted for a policy which the government is now enacting.
Don't fall into the trap of assuming people didn't *really* want what they voted for.
HYUFD is absolutely right. The Conservative manifesto was pretty clear about what was going to happen. The Conservatives were going to Get Brexit Done and that looks to me like what they are going to do.
Oh of course we can all argue about the flavour of Brexit, and manifesto claims for trade deals, etc, and I would be at the forefront of making those arguments, but if the people in the North were so worried about that they could have voted for a different party altogether.
No he wasn't!! He's just forensic and cool. There are only two take-aways from that PMQ's. 1. The letter (bad for Johnson) and 2. the appearance and manner of Johnson (bad for Johnson).
You're missing the biggest one - 24 hour test turn around be end of month - thats one heck of a rod for PHE (and the government)'s backs.
The 20 minute swab test trial will be finished around (by?) then. If it is anything like clinical trials I have come across, they actually know the result by now.
I presume they are testing using the lab version and 20 min, and comparing the results.
So they will know if the 20min one is working out.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
The vast majority of Tory voters want to end the transition period and leave the single market and end free movement and leave the customs union as the Tories manifesto promised. If that is not delivered many if not most of them will switch back to the Brexit Party.
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
“They knew what they were voting for”
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
No, it's not.
What isn’t?
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
You asked if it was official party line, it is not.
No, it's merely the view of a Tory Party constituency chairperson in the "I'm Alright, shame about the Plebs" South.
China calls for end to racial discrimination....sorry I just spat out my coffee.
Have any Chinese police killed any demonstrators this week out of interest?
Might have been a bit awks for Trump if they had.
"When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength," Trump replied. "That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak...as being spit on by the rest of the world."
Buried in the article: "a small fire had been set in its basement during demonstrations over the weekend." In fact, not only had a fire been set that required a police escort to enable the firemen to put it out, but the flag outside the church had been torn down and burned, glass smashed in the windows, and anti-Trump graffiti sprayed on the building; the rector and wardens were sufficiently concerned to remove valuable items from the church on the morning of Trump's visit. Not mentioned anywhere in the article: the police cleared the space less than half an hour before Washington DC's curfew was due to go into effect.
Significant sections of the US media are covertly supporting the riots, often with omissions in reporting and talking about protestors rather than rioters.
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
"A grainy surveillance video of the shooting, played during the briefing, shows that Gardner backed up and pointed a gun after two people tackled him in the street. He initially fired two shots into the air that did not hit anyone.
After Scurlock jumped on his back, Gardner can be heard saying "get off me" many times before fatally shooting Scurlock once in the clavicle, Kleine said. Scurlock was taken to a local hospital where he died from his injuries. "
Sounds tragic but like that one might actually have been self defence. Makes a difference that he was the one saying get off me many times rather than the other way around.
Yes, we know. They're relying on the fact most people do not read beyond the headline.
179 new deaths in England. Absolutely loads of back dating, all the way back to 24th March !!!!
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Piers Moron will shortly be screaming about death rate rising.
I must admit I thought the backdating was new deaths.
Of course they are not new deaths, they are newly attributable to COVID.
Presumably lots of people die infected with the virus but not of the virus?
Absolutely, other countries do not record those as Covid deaths but in the UK we do. If you are squashed by a bus and you test positive for Covid then it is recorded as a Covid death
There are 2 issues with this:
a) It shouldn't be and is nonsense if it is, although it may be because your vision was blurred (aka Cummings)
and
b) Why were you doing a Cummings in the first place by being out?
This 'you' wasn't Cummings was it?
There isn't, and never was, a total ban on going outside.
Can we take a moment to recognise that in the last thread, @HYUFD suggested that if Nissan closed and it negatively affected the North East, then that is their own fault for voting for Brexit and for the Conservatives?
Can we just recognise this special moment please.
I did. I invited him to come and knock doors up here with a blue rosette on so that he can explain the triumph of the will to the local newly impoverished and unemployed.
Here's the thing. Why is he wrong? They voted for a policy which the government is now enacting.
Don't fall into the trap of assuming people didn't *really* want what they voted for.
HYUFD is absolutely right. The Conservative manifesto was pretty clear about what was going to happen. The Conservatives were going to Get Brexit Done and that looks to me like what they are going to do.
Oh of course we can all argue about the flavour of Brexit, and manifesto claims for trade deals, etc, and I would be at the forefront of making those arguments, but if the people in the North were so worried about that they could have voted for a different party altogether.
Once again, we are talking about Sunderland and unless I'm missing something all three Sunderland seats are held by Labour..
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But the investigation found nobody spat at her.
The force said it had not found any evidence of anyone spitting during the incident, and that a 57-year-old man they interviewed had a test result showing he had not had Covid-19.
There are fates worse than murder on our streets by terrorism. If Islamic terrorists threatened Troubles level of violence if we didn't disenfranchise women would you give in to such threats?
Or perhaps the LP would not wish to encourage membership of the sort of people who find it so very amusing to change Pidcock to Pillock? (I write as a gronw-up anti-Corbynite).
If it blocked out the sun then that should have been obvious when it was erected. If it's been up for years but nobody realised then it clearly isn't blocking out anyone's sun etc
If voters in the North East voted Leave in 2016 and Tory in 2019 they knew what they were voting for, the Tories should have no apologies in delivering it
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Piers Moron will shortly be screaming about death rate rising.
A great poster, a true legend.
I wonder what happened to him?
Of course they are not new deaths, they are newly attributable to COVID.
It’s their own fault right? Is that the official Conservative Party line?
Oh this is gold.
They should publish today's deaths which (assuming Francis is right, and I've no reason to doubt him) is 18 today in England.
I thought he looked a good deal better today than he has recently. He's put a bit of weight back on, he didn't look tired and he showed some energy.
The half-empty chamber doesn't help him though. You can see he's used to the braying support as he looks round towards his own benches, but without the numbers it is less effective. Starmer's more cerebral style works better in a thinly attended Chamber.
All the same, Boris did ok today. Starmer made some good points but without doing any damage. The PM generally fielded the questions satisfactorily and even managed a little well-judged humour. Curiously the most awkward moments arose from his refusal to condemn Donald Trump. That's the kind of thing which can be used again and again by the opposition.
On the whole a rather dull PMQ, so therefore quite a decent one for the PM.
As for Pillock, she truly was one. And as the (now departed cos not Corbynite) Senior Regional Director replied to the complaint against me she's hardly going to be upset by a barb like that which was made on a private Labour Facebook group.
I'll be back. Or maybe I won't. Maybe the Labour Party has no interest in regaining the support of its former loyal supporters. Maybe I should just "fuck off and join the Tories then" as "I'm coming back to destroy the last traces of socialism in the party" (both direct quotes from an old friend of mine prominent and active in the party locally). I know the Tories would welcome me, have that in writing from in a personal email from my new MP
The normal incumbent response to a challenger asserting incompetence is to point to their own record: "I am busy saving people's lives, protecting the economy from the effects of the epidemic, delivering a great Brexit result etc. What's he doing?".
It's telling that Johnson is so averse to discussing his record.
We were discussing the impact of Nissan closing in the North East. I made no mention at all of Brexit, merely the likely factual impact that would have, Brexit or no Brexit.
@HYUFD’s response was essentially: “it doesn’t matter if Nissan closes. If that is a result of WTO terms, then it’s their own fault. They should not have voted Leave or for the Conservatives”.
It's really not very positive for Boris.
https://twitter.com/sarrhil/status/1268165692471246848?s=20
There's too many different methodologies in use, so it's unfair to criticise one country for having high Covid death stats, when all they are doing is being meticulous and testing post-mortem samples. There's also the ups and downs of other types of death due to the temporary social measures in place (more suicides, fewer traffic and industrial accidents etc.).
Thankfully, most countries (China, Russia and perhaps India excepted), manage to record numbers of deaths accurately.
The Tories never ruled out WTO terms Brexit under Boris if the EU refused to do a Canada style FTA so if they still went ahead and voted Tory they have nobody to blame but themselves
Clearly a total breakdown in law and order is desirable for them, so long as it's seen as bad for the president.
I hope that's made the flaw in your argument obvious enough even to you.
yeah, that'll work
“Unemployed? Well, you voted for us last time so it’s your fault. Vote for us again.”
Yes, why did they vote for Brexit
"because they want Brexit. So we have to give them Brexit"
Yes but what were they hoping for out of Brexit
"brexit"
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1267851443823947778
He is a blue Corbynite.
CNN started segments by overwhelmingly peaceful, but right wing white supremacists / nationalists pretending to be other groups involved in the violence, oh and probably some left wing groups.
Fox was ANTIFA, ANTIFA, ANTIFA.
White Supremacists driving the violence is up there with Birtherism.
I think I'm up to five, but I might have forgotten a couple.
He's told me, Big G and many others not to vote for the party so what does he know?
CNN were pushing the white supremacist / out of towners / ANTIFA are just right wing imaginary bogeyman, no tanks in Baghdad line. Fox were pushing the ANTIFA are root of all of this, piss poor weak liberal mayors, indoctrination on university campus line.
The reality is the US does have a problem with violent hard left groups which have been allowed to grow in cities like Portland under the banner of being protesting fascism.
They also have a white supremacy / nationalist problem, but the thought that a few are covertly going into majority black cities and lobbing a couple of bricks to get things started is ludicrous.
Look at Sweden (the country I now have the figures at hand for). On the 3rd of May using this approach they would have announced 5. The actual figure for that time period now stands at 73.
It's the same for us. Until all the tests come back we don't know how many people died.
It would be obsfucartory nonsense to announce the last 24 hours figures - the last 24 hours figures are meaningless.
If you wanted a single's dat figure then you could get them announcing the daily figure from a fortnight ago.
And I don't hear any cries of outrage that the EU are playing politics with our safety, as happened when it was mooted the UK might withhold the same information.
It isn't the sole Tory voter view and "you shouldn't have voted Tory" is not Tory policy.
If the Tories had only got 60% of the votes they got last time there wouldn't even be a Tory government FFS! 😡
To channel my inner Liz Truss: You. Are. A. Disgrace.
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1267874870609805312
CNN had one report about about peaceful black protests and white supremacists stoking trouble, accompanied by images of black men looting a Nike store for trainers and fighting with police.
The truth is likely to be somewhere in the middle, there's a lot of people peacefully protesting the death in custody, alongside a number of different bunches of idiots looking for trouble. The total bias of the reports is what is noticeable though, the words and pictures just don't match up. I'm not seeing groups of white men in flags and MAGA hats anywhere.
There's also a lot of reports of media being attacked by police, I get a feeling that there's way more to some of those stories too.
Trying to find any reporting close to impartial is almost impossible, although there are a few independent journalists around trying to make sense of it all - to a Youtube audience in the tens of thousands.
a) It shouldn't be and is nonsense if it is, although it may be because your vision was blurred (aka Cummings)
and
b) Why were you doing a Cummings in the first place by being out?
This 'you' wasn't Cummings was it?
If it was to close, measures will have to be taken to address that. Simply stating “well it’s your own fault” is not going to cut the mustard.
After Scurlock jumped on his back, Gardner can be heard saying "get off me" many times before fatally shooting Scurlock once in the clavicle, Kleine said. Scurlock was taken to a local hospital where he died from his injuries. "
Sounds tragic but like that one might actually have been self defence. Makes a difference that he was the one saying get off me many times rather than the other way around.
* Edit - Back of the envelope calculation would be if it goes well then over 90% of cases will have been and gone by the time our testing process works!
Don't fall into the trap of assuming people didn't *really* want what they voted for.
HYUFD is absolutely right. The Conservative manifesto was pretty clear about what was going to happen. The Conservatives were going to Get Brexit Done and that looks to me like what they are going to do.
Oh of course we can all argue about the flavour of Brexit, and manifesto claims for trade deals, etc, and I would be at the forefront of making those arguments, but if the people in the North were so worried about that they could have voted for a different party altogether.
I presume they are testing using the lab version and 20 min, and comparing the results.
So they will know if the 20min one is working out.
It would make sense to switch to the 20min test.
"When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength," Trump replied. "That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak...as being spit on by the rest of the world."
Vehicle mounted pavement and hit pedestrians