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Funny how quick it changes

Boris comes out fighting and Starmer gets snarky

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Funny how quick it changes

Boris comes out fighting and Starmer gets snarky

Agreed - put Starmer in his place and he soon crumbles!

Warm up for GE2024!

Boris calls it - Starmer is so negative!

LAB = sub 200 seats 2024

RochdalePioneers said:

Shagger: "Why isn't the Right Honorable Gentlemen working with us"
SKS: "As he knows I wrote to him privately 2 weeks ago about how we could help about getting kids back to school and he hasn't replied"
Shagger: Bleaugh what huh blather we spoke er urm terrible tone
SKS: [Looks utterly puzzled] I'll put the letter in the public domain and let the public decide how co-operative we are being

Comedy gold

Actually Boris response that he had had a long conversation with him was fair comment and Starmer reacted in a snarky manner

Indeed I believe Boris is winning this

tlg86 said:

Starmer’s worst performance by a long way.

Boris is trouncing him at present and making him look so negative and petty

noneoftheabove said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I assume we’ve discussed this?

Architect of Sweden’s no-lockdown policy admits too many have died.

Can you imagine if a British politician or scientist said something like that? I was wondering the other day how different things would be if across the world the deaths from COVID-19 were half of what we think they have been. Would the reaction be any different? I think not. I'm not sure what our media would find "acceptable". But someone saying too many people had died would have been pounced upon: "one death is too many" etc.

Absolutely, the publics capability to deal with numbers and statistics when emotions are involved is very low.

As an example, there is a trade off between numbers of deaths and having been allowed out of our homes in April and May for exercise. If you put it direct to the public in a one line opinion poll, I wouldnt be surprised if the majority wouldnt trade a single death for that benefit, which is clearly the wrong answer.

This is true. And although lack of numeracy is never a good thing, to the extent that your astute observation reflects people's instinctive view of the value of a human life - approaching infinite - it is rather sweet.

To appreciate this, consider the reverse. Everybody with a hard-assed, "big picture" view that you can put a value on a life and that £50,000 would not be a million miles away from a reasonable assessment. Would this be a preferable public to have? Not sure it would.

Oh dear, Sir Keir getting bogged down in nit-picking again.

Starmer did the questions in the wrong order. In fact, that last one deserved the chance to be returned to at least once.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tlg86 said:

Starmer’s worst performance by a long way.

Boris is trouncing him at present and making him look so negative and petty

Are we watching the same thing? Boris calmly quotes Boris and his advisors and contrasts with reality. Boris rants about negativity and thats not true. Starmer then requotes the evidence. And Boris gets even louder and shoutier. He literally sat there with his gob open whilst Starmer pointed out that the stages set out by the PM were now being broken by the PM. "Oh no it isn't" isn't a valid argument...

Pushing the you own it if infections go up can come across as you hoping that it will. It virus equivalent of talking the economy down.

Far better to wait and see.

Boris totally on top - thanks for coming Starmer

Big_G_NorthWales said:

This is Boris best performance for a long time

And yet still woeful.

BluestBlue said:

DougSeal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Interesting approach by Sir Keir. The softly-softly, above-the-fray option would have been politically safer. He obviously feels that the Cummings saga has given him the space to put the boot in.

With only 7% saying Cummings changed their behaviour not sure it will play well into public opinion who are on board with most of the easing and support the quarantine

That does not translate into personal support for Boris who has been largely absent. The impact of the Cummings story is as a result of the anger at the hypocrisy and perception tha the was behaving dangerously.

Which must be why the Tories are back to a double-digit lead with YouGov...

If Boris excels at winging it, then no one does whinging it like Starmer.

So now we're falling back on the old "Yah boo, we're winning, nothing else matters, suck it up losers" argument.

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tlg86 said:

Starmer’s worst performance by a long way.

Boris is trouncing him at present and making him look so negative and petty

Are we watching the same thing? Boris calmly quotes Boris and his advisors and contrasts with reality. Boris rants about negativity and thats not true. Starmer then requotes the evidence. And Boris gets even louder and shoutier. He literally sat there with his gob open whilst Starmer pointed out that the stages set out by the PM were now being broken by the PM. "Oh no it isn't" isn't a valid argument...

I have been a huge critic of Boris recently but you really have to be in denial to think that Starmer was not trounced today

OllyT said:

BluestBlue said:

DougSeal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Interesting approach by Sir Keir. The softly-softly, above-the-fray option would have been politically safer. He obviously feels that the Cummings saga has given him the space to put the boot in.

With only 7% saying Cummings changed their behaviour not sure it will play well into public opinion who are on board with most of the easing and support the quarantine

That does not translate into personal support for Boris who has been largely absent. The impact of the Cummings story is as a result of the anger at the hypocrisy and perception tha the was behaving dangerously.

Which must be why the Tories are back to a double-digit lead with YouGov...

If Boris excels at winging it, then no one does whinging it like Starmer.

So now we're falling back on the old "Yah boo, we're winning, nothing else matters, suck it up losers" quality argument.

Which is what @HYUFD plans to tell voters up here when his government takes our economy to the sword. Not that they will be winning when all the red wall seats stop voting Tory.

Not as bad for Boris as the last time - he may be raising his game slightly.

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

This is Boris best performance for a long time

If the purpose of PMQs is to get the PM so angry that he is falling over his words as he's spitting them out so fast. We know that Boris isn't good with details. He needs to calm down and stop making promises whilst angry as he's only hanging himself again...

Just admit it Boris trounced Starmer today

I'm on tenterhooks, is it a 'PMQs are important' day?

"Our policy is test, trace and isolate. His policy is agree, U-turn, then criticise."

Who on earth is Boris's speechwriter these days? That's not exactly a catchy soundbite.

Theuniondivvie said:

I'm on tenterhooks, is it a 'PMQs are important' day?

No it is not.

But week by week Starmer has been extolled for his PMQs and with justification, but today he lost by some margin

kinabalu said:

noneoftheabove said:

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I assume we’ve discussed this?

Architect of Sweden’s no-lockdown policy admits too many have died.

Can you imagine if a British politician or scientist said something like that? I was wondering the other day how different things would be if across the world the deaths from COVID-19 were half of what we think they have been. Would the reaction be any different? I think not. I'm not sure what our media would find "acceptable". But someone saying too many people had died would have been pounced upon: "one death is too many" etc.

Absolutely, the publics capability to deal with numbers and statistics when emotions are involved is very low.

As an example, there is a trade off between numbers of deaths and having been allowed out of our homes in April and May for exercise. If you put it direct to the public in a one line opinion poll, I wouldnt be surprised if the majority wouldnt trade a single death for that benefit, which is clearly the wrong answer.

This is true. And although lack of numeracy is never a good thing, to the extent that your astute observation reflects people's instinctive view of the value of a human life - approaching infinite - it is rather sweet.

To appreciate this, consider the reverse. Everybody with a hard-assed, "big picture" view that you can put a value on a life and that £50,000 would not be a million miles away from a reasonable assessment. Would this be a preferable public to have? Not sure it would.

I might concur in a world in which politicians have not started to govern via opinion poll rather than any form of coherent plan.

brokenwheel said:

Anabobazina said:

BluestBlue said:

DougSeal said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Interesting approach by Sir Keir. The softly-softly, above-the-fray option would have been politically safer. He obviously feels that the Cummings saga has given him the space to put the boot in.

With only 7% saying Cummings changed their behaviour not sure it will play well into public opinion who are on board with most of the easing and support the quarantine

That does not translate into personal support for Boris who has been largely absent. The impact of the Cummings story is as a result of the anger at the hypocrisy and perception tha the was behaving dangerously.

Which must be why the Tories are back to a double-digit lead with YouGov...

If Boris excels at winging it, then no one does whinging it like Starmer.

Your partisanship is utterly boring.

Even the PB Tories aren't particularly partisan these days.

Probably because many PB Tories no longer post because it has become a bit of a loony left echo chamber.

I guess to you anyone to the left of Ghenghis Khan is a bit of left wing loony.

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as bad for Boris as the last time - he may be raising his game slightly.

I thought it was his worst so far. He makes TMay look good

Incoherent shouting whilst contradicting himself is not the image the government needed on the day that he Takes Back Control

TheScreamingEagles said:

Not a victory in the chamber for Sir Keir but I suspect the highlights on the news later will make for a good montage.

Floyd?

https://twitter.com/gabyhinsliff/status/1268142626500489216

Philip_Thompson said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

OllyT said:

BluestBlue said:

That's right, Keir, go on and overreach yourself. You know you want to...

Not much danger of overreaching on the subject of Boris getting his finger out and doing some hard graft.

Actually I believe the return of sport, even behind closed doors, televising all premier games, horse racing, and the go ahead for two races at Silverstone will be very popular

Moving forwards I hope the Premier League realise they can and should televise all games. It's ridiculous that in most of the world you can legally watch all Premier League games but in the UK you can't.

It's equally ridiculous that people who pay a fortune for live sport get a fraction of games televised while people that steam it online get them all.

Completely perverse and I hope this is a watershed moment.

Well, yes, the argument for not televising the Saturday 3.00 p.m. kick-offs was not to discourage fans from attending the games in person. If the games are behind closed doors, clearly that no longer applies.

nico67 said:

Starmer missed a huge open goal when Johnson was saying he’s proud of what his government has done . The easy retort would have been proud of 40,000 deaths !

Not the best performance from Starmer , Johnson did better than the last PMQs .

Let others draw the conclusions - no point going in for the kill every week, another wound every week is enough.

tlg86 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Not a victory in the chamber for Sir Keir but I suspect the highlights on the news later will make for a good montage.

Floyd?

The who has been in charge exchange.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Not a victory in the chamber for Sir Keir but I suspect the highlights on the news later will make for a good montage.

When it comes to TV highlights Johnson needs to win every time, Starmer only needs to win once.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/gabyhinsliff/status/1268142626500489216

Desperate stuff. Starmer missed an open goal with every possible situational advantage. Enfield Southgate? More like Gareth...

Scott_xP said:

Following the science...

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1268143219528925186

And we started at 3.5!

nico67 said:

Starmer missed a huge open goal when Johnson was saying he’s proud of what his government has done . The easy retort would have been proud of 40,000 deaths !

Not the best performance from Starmer , Johnson did better than the last PMQs .

Boris had his best PMQs since the GE

Though there have not been that many

The point going forward is whether Boris becomes more visible and ups his game

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Ave_it said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Dreadful performance by Johnson

Let's see what happens GE2024. You are in for more disappointment.

Think it’s far too early to make predictions

LOL but it's you who posts polls all the time!!! Polls which are about the next GE!

MikeSmithson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Not as bad for Boris as the last time - he may be raising his game slightly.

I thought it was his worst so far. He makes TMay look good

The most telling part of PMQs wasn't anything Boris said, it was his open mouthed heavy breathing just after Keir's "R rate between 0.5 and 0.9" part question



The live video did him even less favours than that screenshot.

RochdalePioneers said:

SouthamObserver said:

The expulsions have already started. It's great to see.

Yeah, me!

You've been expelled?

Absolute disaster for Johnson. Starmer had him roughly in all holes. (Note: did not see it.)

A generally crap and dull PMQs with Boris marginally better than normal.

Sir Keir got a bit snarky about a letter.

Boris looked a bloody scruffy mess again.

NerysHughes said:

I don't get the love in for Starmer. He entire job now is to do well ar PMQs.

Well, that and rescue the Labour Party from the Corbyn-inflicted mess of the past few years, solve the anti-semitism problem, etc. etc. But, you know, minor issues.

Richard_Nabavi said:

I think we need to cut Boris some slack on one point: Sir Keir's letter offered a meeting which would include Rebecca Long-Bailey. Who wouldn't ignore such an offer?

I know Boris is a bit of a ladies' man, but I'm not sure that "ship" is going to sail.

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1268141733197631490

Sounds familiar.

Anabobazina said:

Mortimer said:

Anabobazina said:

Mortimer said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Returning to London for the first time in over a week I note a slight change in mood. The reckless gaiety of the partying hordes on Hampstead Heath has given way to a more subdued and cautious atmosphere.

I suspect Londoners are realising we're not quite out of this yet. Starmer's line signals he's in tune with this.

Might watch PMQs for once.

Has ANYONE heard any non politics wonk even mention Starmer in the past month? Let alone his shad cab.

Labour are just not breaking through the narrative. I'm beginning to think the comments on here about KS missing open goals are bang on

That's probably fair comment, but Sir Keir first has to sort out the abject mess in the party, to professionalise it and make it ready for government.

That will take a year – at least.

If you were were a Labourite I dare say you'd be fairly content with that for now – Corbyn gone and the idiots being slowly unpicked from the party machine.

Yes. I think thats probably true. As an confirmed non-Labourite, I'm pretty happy we have an opposition leader who doesn't assume the West is bad at every opportunity.

It will have been barely noticed by Joe Public but the appointment of David Evans as General Secretary is a coup for Sir Keir. Evans is from the sensible right of the party and his ascension to the throne will lead to the eventual implosion of the nutters from the far left.

David Evans appointment was highly significant and will do a lot to sort out the issues that have dogged the party in recent years. It doesn't matter too much that it has not got much public attention, it is the consequences of what he does that will matter.

Now that Starmer is proving to be a good leader and his favourability ratings have improved the Tories are changing tack and saying Starmer might be a sensible LOTO but the Corbnistas are still running things in the background. In a year's time I don't think they will have that crutch to lean on either.

Some have yet to cotton on to the fact they are not fighting Corbyn anymore and might actually have to do something more to earn peoples' votes than dangle the prospect of a Corbyn government in front of them.

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1268141733197631490

Sounds familiar.

It would from Ian Dunt... :-) . Record stuck on one tune.

rottenborough said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1268145517814525953

So, that's a no then.

We dont do much with the data anyway!

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

tlg86 said:

Starmer’s worst performance by a long way.

Boris is trouncing him at present and making him look so negative and petty

Are we watching the same thing? Boris calmly quotes Boris and his advisors and contrasts with reality. Boris rants about negativity and thats not true. Starmer then requotes the evidence. And Boris gets even louder and shoutier. He literally sat there with his gob open whilst Starmer pointed out that the stages set out by the PM were now being broken by the PM. "Oh no it isn't" isn't a valid argument...

I suspect that just now the public has even less of an appetite for political pantomime than usual.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Dreadful performance by Johnson

With respect you know that is nonsense

I have been a strong critic of Boris recently but when he puts in a good performance I will say so

Indeed you need to see the number of my posts that have praised Starmer recently

Starmer got Johnson to concede that shielded MPs will get a proxy vote (not just pairing) in contradiction to Rees-Mogg line yesterday. That was a win for Starmer.

Overall I thought it was a bit uninspiring on both sides. I'd expected a better quality joust. There is no doubt that Starmer looks more prime ministerial than Johnson!

NickPalmer said:

RochdalePioneers said:

SouthamObserver said:

The expulsions have already started. It's great to see.

Yeah, me!

You've been expelled?

Effectively. LGU wrote to me rejecting my provisional membership as I was a LibDem last year. Email imprint from Jennie Formby. So thats an effective 2 year ban. There isn't anything at all stopping people defecting from one party to another and Salma Yaqoob can testify, so its a "GS has absolute power to say no" that did it. One of my local enemies worked for Laura Pillock and got upset when I called her "Pidcock" on a facebook page - been suggested that she got me bounced by going directly to the departing Formby.