Shagger: "Why isn't the Right Honorable Gentlemen working with us" SKS: "As he knows I wrote to him privately 2 weeks ago about how we could help about getting kids back to school and he hasn't replied" Shagger: Bleaugh what huh blather we spoke er urm terrible tone SKS: [Looks utterly puzzled] I'll put the letter in the public domain and let the public decide how co-operative we are being
Shagger: "Why isn't the Right Honorable Gentlemen working with us" SKS: "As he knows I wrote to him privately 2 weeks ago about how we could help about getting kids back to school and he hasn't replied" Shagger: Bleaugh what huh blather we spoke er urm terrible tone SKS: [Looks utterly puzzled] I'll put the letter in the public domain and let the public decide how co-operative we are being
Comedy gold
Actually Boris response that he had had a long conversation with him was fair comment and Starmer reacted in a snarky manner
SKS: Dido Harding says yer shit Shagger: We've made amazing progress harrumph harrumph SKS: Yes very nice thats not what I'm asking about, your numbers are bollocks says UK Statistics Authority
Notable that Tory backbenchers have upped the volume
Architect of Sweden’s no-lockdown policy admits too many have died.
Can you imagine if a British politician or scientist said something like that? I was wondering the other day how different things would be if across the world the deaths from COVID-19 were half of what we think they have been. Would the reaction be any different? I think not. I'm not sure what our media would find "acceptable". But someone saying too many people had died would have been pounced upon: "one death is too many" etc.
Absolutely, the publics capability to deal with numbers and statistics when emotions are involved is very low.
As an example, there is a trade off between numbers of deaths and having been allowed out of our homes in April and May for exercise. If you put it direct to the public in a one line opinion poll, I wouldnt be surprised if the majority wouldnt trade a single death for that benefit, which is clearly the wrong answer.
This is true. And although lack of numeracy is never a good thing, to the extent that your astute observation reflects people's instinctive view of the value of a human life - approaching infinite - it is rather sweet.
To appreciate this, consider the reverse. Everybody with a hard-assed, "big picture" view that you can put a value on a life and that £50,000 would not be a million miles away from a reasonable assessment. Would this be a preferable public to have? Not sure it would.
Boris is trouncing him at present and making him look so negative and petty
Are we watching the same thing? Boris calmly quotes Boris and his advisors and contrasts with reality. Boris rants about negativity and thats not true. Starmer then requotes the evidence. And Boris gets even louder and shoutier. He literally sat there with his gob open whilst Starmer pointed out that the stages set out by the PM were now being broken by the PM. "Oh no it isn't" isn't a valid argument...
Though I'll grant that Lincoln, widely acknowledged as the greatest US President, was indeed a lawyer.
The two politicians that made me realise I was a conservative were both lawyers.
Thatcher and Ken Clarke.
Funnily enough, it was a lawyer politician that made me realise I no longer supported Labour.
Why do you hate people born in Edinburgh?
It all started going downhill after Sir Sean.
I've learned something new today. After checking Wiki to make ABSOLUTELY sure SSC was born in Auld Reekie, I discover he has a brother, Neil, also an actor. You can see the family resemblance.
Well, it's a beautiful schooner, but I fear I may be disappointed if I venture further. I see there's a Guido Lollobrigida in the cast, another 'brother of the more famous'?
If the purpose of PMQs is to get the PM so angry that he is falling over his words as he's spitting them out so fast. We know that Boris isn't good with details. He needs to calm down and stop making promises whilst angry as he's only hanging himself again...
Interesting approach by Sir Keir. The softly-softly, above-the-fray option would have been politically safer. He obviously feels that the Cummings saga has given him the space to put the boot in.
With only 7% saying Cummings changed their behaviour not sure it will play well into public opinion who are on board with most of the easing and support the quarantine
That does not translate into personal support for Boris who has been largely absent. The impact of the Cummings story is as a result of the anger at the hypocrisy and perception tha the was behaving dangerously.
Which must be why the Tories are back to a double-digit lead with YouGov...
If Boris excels at winging it, then no one does whinging it like Starmer.
So now we're falling back on the old "Yah boo, we're winning, nothing else matters, suck it up losers" argument.
Boris is trouncing him at present and making him look so negative and petty
Are we watching the same thing? Boris calmly quotes Boris and his advisors and contrasts with reality. Boris rants about negativity and thats not true. Starmer then requotes the evidence. And Boris gets even louder and shoutier. He literally sat there with his gob open whilst Starmer pointed out that the stages set out by the PM were now being broken by the PM. "Oh no it isn't" isn't a valid argument...
I have been a huge critic of Boris recently but you really have to be in denial to think that Starmer was not trounced today
If the purpose of PMQs is to get the PM so angry that he is falling over his words as he's spitting them out so fast. We know that Boris isn't good with details. He needs to calm down and stop making promises whilst angry as he's only hanging himself again...
Righteous indignation can be a very convincing look.
Interesting approach by Sir Keir. The softly-softly, above-the-fray option would have been politically safer. He obviously feels that the Cummings saga has given him the space to put the boot in.
With only 7% saying Cummings changed their behaviour not sure it will play well into public opinion who are on board with most of the easing and support the quarantine
That does not translate into personal support for Boris who has been largely absent. The impact of the Cummings story is as a result of the anger at the hypocrisy and perception tha the was behaving dangerously.
Which must be why the Tories are back to a double-digit lead with YouGov...
If Boris excels at winging it, then no one does whinging it like Starmer.
So now we're falling back on the old "Yah boo, we're winning, nothing else matters, suck it up losers" quality argument.
Which is what @HYUFD plans to tell voters up here when his government takes our economy to the sword. Not that they will be winning when all the red wall seats stop voting Tory.
If the purpose of PMQs is to get the PM so angry that he is falling over his words as he's spitting them out so fast. We know that Boris isn't good with details. He needs to calm down and stop making promises whilst angry as he's only hanging himself again...
If the purpose of PMQs is to get the PM so angry that he is falling over his words as he's spitting them out so fast. We know that Boris isn't good with details. He needs to calm down and stop making promises whilst angry as he's only hanging himself again...
Just admit it Boris trounced Starmer today
I think "trounced" on the generous side - no-score draw would be nearer the remark - it will be interesting to read what SKS letter says.
Architect of Sweden’s no-lockdown policy admits too many have died.
Can you imagine if a British politician or scientist said something like that? I was wondering the other day how different things would be if across the world the deaths from COVID-19 were half of what we think they have been. Would the reaction be any different? I think not. I'm not sure what our media would find "acceptable". But someone saying too many people had died would have been pounced upon: "one death is too many" etc.
Absolutely, the publics capability to deal with numbers and statistics when emotions are involved is very low.
As an example, there is a trade off between numbers of deaths and having been allowed out of our homes in April and May for exercise. If you put it direct to the public in a one line opinion poll, I wouldnt be surprised if the majority wouldnt trade a single death for that benefit, which is clearly the wrong answer.
This is true. And although lack of numeracy is never a good thing, to the extent that your astute observation reflects people's instinctive view of the value of a human life - approaching infinite - it is rather sweet.
To appreciate this, consider the reverse. Everybody with a hard-assed, "big picture" view that you can put a value on a life and that £50,000 would not be a million miles away from a reasonable assessment. Would this be a preferable public to have? Not sure it would.
I might concur in a world in which politicians have not started to govern via opinion poll rather than any form of coherent plan.
Interesting approach by Sir Keir. The softly-softly, above-the-fray option would have been politically safer. He obviously feels that the Cummings saga has given him the space to put the boot in.
With only 7% saying Cummings changed their behaviour not sure it will play well into public opinion who are on board with most of the easing and support the quarantine
That does not translate into personal support for Boris who has been largely absent. The impact of the Cummings story is as a result of the anger at the hypocrisy and perception tha the was behaving dangerously.
Which must be why the Tories are back to a double-digit lead with YouGov...
If Boris excels at winging it, then no one does whinging it like Starmer.
Your partisanship is utterly boring.
Even the PB Tories aren't particularly partisan these days.
Probably because many PB Tories no longer post because it has become a bit of a loony left echo chamber.
I guess to you anyone to the left of Ghenghis Khan is a bit of left wing loony.
Starmer missed a huge open goal when Johnson was saying he’s proud of what his government has done . The easy retort would have been proud of 40,000 deaths !
Not the best performance from Starmer , Johnson did better than the last PMQs .
That's right, Keir, go on and overreach yourself. You know you want to...
Not much danger of overreaching on the subject of Boris getting his finger out and doing some hard graft.
Actually I believe the return of sport, even behind closed doors, televising all premier games, horse racing, and the go ahead for two races at Silverstone will be very popular
Moving forwards I hope the Premier League realise they can and should televise all games. It's ridiculous that in most of the world you can legally watch all Premier League games but in the UK you can't.
It's equally ridiculous that people who pay a fortune for live sport get a fraction of games televised while people that steam it online get them all.
Completely perverse and I hope this is a watershed moment.
Well, yes, the argument for not televising the Saturday 3.00 p.m. kick-offs was not to discourage fans from attending the games in person. If the games are behind closed doors, clearly that no longer applies.
Starmer missed a huge open goal when Johnson was saying he’s proud of what the his government has done . The easy retort would have been proud of 40,000 deaths !
Not the best performance from Starmer , Johnson did better than the last PMQs .
I don't get the love in for Starmer. He entire job now is to do well ar PMQs. He had the biggest open goal possible today and failed. He is dull and a slow thinker.
Starmer missed a huge open goal when Johnson was saying he’s proud of what his government has done . The easy retort would have been proud of 40,000 deaths !
Not the best performance from Starmer , Johnson did better than the last PMQs .
Let others draw the conclusions - no point going in for the kill every week, another wound every week is enough.
I think we need to cut Boris some slack on one point: Sir Keir's letter offered a meeting which would include Rebecca Long-Bailey. Who wouldn't ignore such an offer?
Starmer missed a huge open goal when Johnson was saying he’s proud of what his government has done . The easy retort would have been proud of 40,000 deaths !
Not the best performance from Starmer , Johnson did better than the last PMQs .
Boris had his best PMQs since the GE
Though there have not been that many
The point going forward is whether Boris becomes more visible and ups his game
I think we need to cut Boris some slack on one point: Sir Keir's letter offered a meeting which would include Rebecca Long-Bailey. Who wouldn't ignore such an offer?
Interesting approach by Sir Keir. The softly-softly, above-the-fray option would have been politically safer. He obviously feels that the Cummings saga has given him the space to put the boot in.
With only 7% saying Cummings changed their behaviour not sure it will play well into public opinion who are on board with most of the easing and support the quarantine
That does not translate into personal support for Boris who has been largely absent. The impact of the Cummings story is as a result of the anger at the hypocrisy and perception tha the was behaving dangerously.
Which must be why the Tories are back to a double-digit lead with YouGov...
Look at the leader ratings. If they stay where they are (and the recent shifts may reverse) then the Tory lead is built on sand. SKS is less toxic than his party - and that will take time to improve - but the Corbyn free ride is well and truly over.
I think Corbyn's achievements are underrated, he got 40% in the 2017GE. Starmer would be delighted to get that at the 2024GE
I think Corbyn was overpraised by his supporters in 2017 but still ran a great campaign then and over criticised in 2019 by his detractors including by certain folk on here.
Most troubling (and I say this socially liberal labour member) is the lack of focus on the UKIP and non voters who switched to Labour in 2017 and the voters who left Labour in 2019 to abstention/brexit party (or even Tory) who merely wanted brexit delivered but are not crazed Johnson stans.
I think Starmer has zero chance of becoming PM without a large chunk of the latter group (who are still numerous in parts of outer London, Yorkshire, Wales etc) in addition to the LD and Tory remainers that HYUFD continually mentions.
Not as bad for Boris as the last time - he may be raising his game slightly.
I thought it was his worst so far. He makes TMay look good
The most telling part of PMQs wasn't anything Boris said, it was his open mouthed heavy breathing just after Keir's "R rate between 0.5 and 0.9" part question
The live video did him even less favours than that screenshot.
They didn't of course. They were reported in the 24 hours. Different thing. Not suggesting any great success for the UK, but the misuse of the reporting data is really beginning to annoy me.
Starmer missed a huge open goal when Johnson was saying he’s proud of what the his government has done . The easy retort would have been proud of 40,000 deaths !
Not the best performance from Starmer , Johnson did better than the last PMQs .
I don't get the love in for Starmer. He entire job now is to do well ar PMQs. He had the biggest open goal possible today and failed. He is dull and a slow thinker.
I like KS but he needs to be a bit more punchy and not so polite in these exchanges at PMQs . But at the end of the day no one really cares about that other than political junkies and the media . The public don’t vote on what happens at PMQs.
They didn't of course. They were reported in the 24 hours. Different thing. Not suggesting any great success for the UK, but the misuse of the reporting data is really beginning to annoy me.
The Gov't could take the lead on statistics, no idea why the number of people tested statistic has apprently been abandoned. Are they not counting any more or do they not want us to know ?
Starmer missed a huge open goal when Johnson was saying he’s proud of what his government has done . The easy retort would have been proud of 40,000 deaths !
Not the best performance from Starmer , Johnson did better than the last PMQs .
Boris had his best PMQs since the GE
Though there have not been that many
The point going forward is whether Boris becomes more visible and ups his game
Agree . I’m a Labour voter but am not going to spin a below par performance from KS .
I don't get the love in for Starmer. He entire job now is to do well ar PMQs.
Well, that and rescue the Labour Party from the Corbyn-inflicted mess of the past few years, solve the anti-semitism problem, etc. etc. But, you know, minor issues.
I think we need to cut Boris some slack on one point: Sir Keir's letter offered a meeting which would include Rebecca Long-Bailey. Who wouldn't ignore such an offer?
I know Boris is a bit of a ladies' man, but I'm not sure that "ship" is going to sail.
Returning to London for the first time in over a week I note a slight change in mood. The reckless gaiety of the partying hordes on Hampstead Heath has given way to a more subdued and cautious atmosphere.
I suspect Londoners are realising we're not quite out of this yet. Starmer's line signals he's in tune with this.
Might watch PMQs for once.
Has ANYONE heard any non politics wonk even mention Starmer in the past month? Let alone his shad cab.
Labour are just not breaking through the narrative. I'm beginning to think the comments on here about KS missing open goals are bang on
That's probably fair comment, but Sir Keir first has to sort out the abject mess in the party, to professionalise it and make it ready for government.
That will take a year – at least.
If you were were a Labourite I dare say you'd be fairly content with that for now – Corbyn gone and the idiots being slowly unpicked from the party machine.
Yes. I think thats probably true. As an confirmed non-Labourite, I'm pretty happy we have an opposition leader who doesn't assume the West is bad at every opportunity.
It will have been barely noticed by Joe Public but the appointment of David Evans as General Secretary is a coup for Sir Keir. Evans is from the sensible right of the party and his ascension to the throne will lead to the eventual implosion of the nutters from the far left.
David Evans appointment was highly significant and will do a lot to sort out the issues that have dogged the party in recent years. It doesn't matter too much that it has not got much public attention, it is the consequences of what he does that will matter.
Now that Starmer is proving to be a good leader and his favourability ratings have improved the Tories are changing tack and saying Starmer might be a sensible LOTO but the Corbnistas are still running things in the background. In a year's time I don't think they will have that crutch to lean on either.
Some have yet to cotton on to the fact they are not fighting Corbyn anymore and might actually have to do something more to earn peoples' votes than dangle the prospect of a Corbyn government in front of them.
Not as bad for Boris as the last time - he may be raising his game slightly.
I thought it was his worst so far. He makes TMay look good
The most telling part of PMQs wasn't anything Boris said, it was his open mouthed heavy breathing just after Keir's "R rate between 0.5 and 0.9" part question
The live video did him even less favours than that screenshot.
Yup. The question quoted the PM. Then contrasted that with what he has done. PM sat there looking that daft for a long time before ranting about how he was following the steps set out.
Which is a knock back response may work. With the minor problem that he isn't following his own advice and thats easy to demonstrate. Johnson simply doesn't get the detail and under pressure just makes it up. But he's back in charge, so yay
Boris is trouncing him at present and making him look so negative and petty
Are we watching the same thing? Boris calmly quotes Boris and his advisors and contrasts with reality. Boris rants about negativity and thats not true. Starmer then requotes the evidence. And Boris gets even louder and shoutier. He literally sat there with his gob open whilst Starmer pointed out that the stages set out by the PM were now being broken by the PM. "Oh no it isn't" isn't a valid argument...
I suspect that just now the public has even less of an appetite for political pantomime than usual.
I don't get the love in for Starmer. He entire job now is to do well ar PMQs.
Well, that and rescue the Labour Party from the Corbyn-inflicted mess of the past few years, solve the anti-semitism problem, etc. etc. But, you know, minor issues.
I think we need to cut Boris some slack on one point: Sir Keir's letter offered a meeting which would include Rebecca Long-Bailey. Who wouldn't ignore such an offer?
I know Boris is a bit of a ladies' man, but I'm not sure that "ship" is going to sail.
Boris is dealing with a pandemic and people moan that he is not prepared for PMQs. Im pretty sure SKS has more time to prepare.
I have been a strong critic of Boris recently but when he puts in a good performance I will say so
Indeed you need to see the number of my posts that have praised Starmer recently
Starmer got Johnson to concede that shielded MPs will get a proxy vote (not just pairing) in contradiction to Rees-Mogg line yesterday. That was a win for Starmer.
Overall I thought it was a bit uninspiring on both sides. I'd expected a better quality joust. There is no doubt that Starmer looks more prime ministerial than Johnson!
The expulsions have already started. It's great to see.
Yeah, me!
You've been expelled?
Effectively. LGU wrote to me rejecting my provisional membership as I was a LibDem last year. Email imprint from Jennie Formby. So thats an effective 2 year ban. There isn't anything at all stopping people defecting from one party to another and Salma Yaqoob can testify, so its a "GS has absolute power to say no" that did it. One of my local enemies worked for Laura Pillock and got upset when I called her "Pidcock" on a facebook page - been suggested that she got me bounced by going directly to the departing Formby.
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Kaboom!
Boris comes out fighting and Starmer gets snarky
Warm up for GE2024!
SKS: "As he knows I wrote to him privately 2 weeks ago about how we could help about getting kids back to school and he hasn't replied"
Shagger: Bleaugh what huh blather we spoke er urm terrible tone
SKS: [Looks utterly puzzled] I'll put the letter in the public domain and let the public decide how co-operative we are being
Comedy gold
LAB = sub 200 seats 2024
Indeed I believe Boris is winning this
Shagger: We've made amazing progress harrumph harrumph
SKS: Yes very nice thats not what I'm asking about, your numbers are bollocks says UK Statistics Authority
Notable that Tory backbenchers have upped the volume
For all settings in the England -
https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1267748198027857923/photo/1
is informative
To appreciate this, consider the reverse. Everybody with a hard-assed, "big picture" view that you can put a value on a life and that £50,000 would not be a million miles away from a reasonable assessment. Would this be a preferable public to have? Not sure it would.
Far better to wait and see.
https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1268140555034337280
Who on earth is Boris's speechwriter these days? That's not exactly a catchy soundbite.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-52899832/massive-queues-as-mcdonald-s-reopens-scottish-drive-thru-restaurants
But week by week Starmer has been extolled for his PMQs and with justification, but today he lost by some margin
Not the best performance from Starmer , Johnson did better than the last PMQs .
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1268143219528925186
Quite a contrast with the ever-dapper and smart Sir Keir.
Though there have not been that many
The point going forward is whether Boris becomes more visible and ups his game
Most troubling (and I say this socially liberal labour member) is the lack of focus on the UKIP and non voters who switched to Labour in 2017 and the voters who left Labour in 2019 to abstention/brexit party (or even Tory) who merely wanted brexit delivered but are not crazed Johnson stans.
I think Starmer has zero chance of becoming PM without a large chunk of the latter group (who are still numerous in parts of outer London, Yorkshire, Wales etc) in addition to the LD and Tory remainers that HYUFD continually mentions.
The live video did him even less favours than that screenshot.
Sir Keir got a bit snarky about a letter.
Boris looked a bloody scruffy mess again.
I have been a strong critic of Boris recently but when he puts in a good performance I will say so
Indeed you need to see the number of my posts that have praised Starmer recently
Sounds familiar.
Now that Starmer is proving to be a good leader and his favourability ratings have improved the Tories are changing tack and saying Starmer might be a sensible LOTO but the Corbnistas are still running things in the background. In a year's time I don't think they will have that crutch to lean on either.
Some have yet to cotton on to the fact they are not fighting Corbyn anymore and might actually have to do something more to earn peoples' votes than dangle the prospect of a Corbyn government in front of them.
Which is a knock back response may work. With the minor problem that he isn't following his own advice and thats easy to demonstrate. Johnson simply doesn't get the detail and under pressure just makes it up. But he's back in charge, so yay
That was quick....almost like they expected to release it.....
Overall I thought it was a bit uninspiring on both sides. I'd expected a better quality joust. There is no doubt that Starmer looks more prime ministerial than Johnson!