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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    TGOHF666 said:
    My question would still be: is age only the main factor because most older people have health conditions?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Thankfully right now we are at the rare point where the stars align and we are lucky enough to have flamboyant competence.
    I long for the days of dull incompetence.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094

    Not at all. Balanced free press and this weeks panorama was far from that
    Anyone who thinks the UK has a balanced press is not right in the head , only in their thinking.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Andy_JS said:

    My question would still be: is age only the main factor because most older people have health conditions?
    I just thought the graphs were well presented. You don't want to be +60 and male...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited April 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    "When Norway’s public health experts began looking into the backgrounds of those infected by coronavirus, they made a startling discovery: people born in Somalia have infection rates more than 10 times above the national average."

    https://www.ft.com/content/5fd6ab18-be4a-48de-b887-8478a391dd72

    It is such a small number, I would be concerned about "sampling issues". A very small community in Norway, I am going to guess many live in the same area*, go to the same Mosque, same shops selling African produce etc etc etc.

    * I believe this is a complaint in Nordic countries that when people get refuge, they get to pick where they live and of course they choose where all the others from their home country reside. Which in turn can causes issues of ghetto-isation, more difficult to integrate.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161
    eadric said:

    That may be true, but it’s not the point I was making. We have far fewer covid19 cases in ICU than comparable nations. The explanation, whatever it is, would be illuminating
    There's anecdotal evidence that the useless 111 service is advising people to stay home for too long so that people are too ill to survive by the time they make it to hospital.

    Apparently in Germany, they test people in the community for Coronavirus, and can then do follow-up visits on identified cases to monitor people's condition and hospitalise those that need treatment.

    Perhaps the British are showing that they're still as stoic as previous generations (notable exceptions aside), but being led by donkeys again it is killing them.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    edited April 2020

    I dont hate the free press btw. I am just appalled about how they get so much wrong.

    I am justv reduced by elimination to reading the only good paper out there and uts not exactly govt friendly

    Guardian or Times?

    I think the Graun has got a lot more partisan since 12th Dec.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    kinabalu said:

    News I've just seen is that here in the UK one third of all the people hospitalized with Covid-19 since the start of the outbreak have died. One third! And the figure will end up higher since there are many patients in hospital now who have not yet died but will.

    On this measure - your chances of responding to treatment - the disease is as bad as Ebola.

    Frightening.
    Incredibly dire.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    edited April 2020
    malcolmg said:

    How would we ever know it is first time in the UK given they fiddle the numbers in England and never include them , you have to try and unpick them a month later from ONS. Easy fiddle rather than take it on the chin as Boris said.
    "Never include them". That pesky Westminster Government looking to hide the figures by releasing them through a that shadowy secretive body, the Office for National Statistics.

    Never change, Malc, you're a gem.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198
    edited April 2020

    What does this suggest?
    I had another look at the data.

    The second day of data is between 40-50% of the final, stable number with good consistency across the data. Presumably this is from the reporting process times.

    Which *suggests* that the final number for the 27th will be in the range 300-370

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1U0TUJF7ldNr7b0HaZ72vXAuDNqpQA8yL

    is the combined spreadsheet I generated from all the NHS England data
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    Thankfully right now we are at the rare point where the stars align and we are lucky enough to have flamboyant competence.
    How do we know? He's not there atm and anyway I thought government was by cabinet?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I long for the days of dull incompetence.
    Is that you Theresa?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    TOPPING said:

    Guardian or Times?

    I think the Graun has got a lot more partisan since 12th Dec.
    All papers are partisan but you just don't notice it in those publications which reflect your views.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    Few weeks of rain now won't hurt. Keep everybody in their homes for a bit longer.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    Thankfully right now we are at the rare point where the stars align and we are lucky enough to have flamboyant competence.
    Indeed. We're on the flamboyantly (!) competent road to the worst Covid-19 outcome in Europe.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330
    Bet BJ will be psychologically incapable of not getting stuck into this.

    https://twitter.com/GraemeoRab/status/1255479367427395585?s=20
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Few weeks of rain now won't hurt. Keep everybody in their homes for a bit longer.

    Looks like warming up again down south at least from the weekend, but showers around on certain days. Good growing weather!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804

    Bet BJ will be psychologically incapable of not getting stuck into this.

    https://twitter.com/GraemeoRab/status/1255479367427395585?s=20

    Oh he'll be doing that alright.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,317

    All papers are partisan but you just don't notice it in those publications which reflect your views.
    Just as you only notice the wind when its blowing against you when riding your bike
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited April 2020

    It is such a small number, I would be concerned about "sampling issues". A very small community in Norway, I am going to guess many live in the same area*, go to the same Mosque, same shops selling African produce etc etc etc.

    * I believe this is a complaint in Nordic countries that when people get refuge, they get to pick where they live and of course they choose where all the others from their home country reside. Which in turn can causes issues of ghetto-isation, more difficult to integrate.
    That might be the issue, or part of it, but there is plenty of other evidence (albeit in very noisy data) that racial background is an important element of differential risk. Clearly it will need proper research to disentangle what exactly is going on here, but it would not be at all surprising if there were an underlying genetic reason for much or some of the disparities. After all, we know that there are significant genetically-based differences between races (and national populations) in susceptibility to other diseases (cystic fibrosis, sickle-cell anaemia, autoimmune diseases, etc).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    TGOHF666 said:
    That is an interesting paper. Age was a very strong risk factor even when all known co morbidities were adjusted for. Being fit elderly doesn't seem to help much.

    Scary mortality for disease severe enough for admission, but without community testing it is very hard to know whether there are 10 non admitted for every admission. We really do not have much idea of the numbers. This cartoon summarises our problem well:




  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Bet BJ will be psychologically incapable of not getting stuck into this.

    https://twitter.com/GraemeoRab/status/1255479367427395585?s=20

    That's Vera Lynn in the pic, apparently. At first I thought someone had made a really good fist of the instruction to "do a portrait of the young Queen looking as much like Diana as you can manage",.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    malcolmg said:

    Incredibly dire.
    The people who are hospitalised mostly suffer from very serious health issues anyway and so its not really surprising many don;t respond.

    Niall Ferguson has said that up to two thirds of those who will pass away from Corona would have passed away this year anyway but of something else.

    Its very sad but in many instances Corona merely hastens the demise of those who pass away.


  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,011

    All papers are partisan but you just don't notice it in those publications which reflect your views.
    That's very true. but the Telegraph is a million miles from the sort of quality journalism I read 50 yrs ago as a teenager, and I have no idea what it wants to say, I guess neither do the Barclay Bros after they lost. I think they are trying to flog the paper.
    So by elimination, not wanting to read the tabloids, the Mail is appalling, and forgetting left wing media , one is left with the Times that isn't exactly Tory friendly, but the journalism is very good.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Bet BJ will be psychologically incapable of not getting stuck into this.

    https://twitter.com/GraemeoRab/status/1255479367427395585?s=20

    This would just make me think of Dr Strangelove.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198
    DougSeal said:

    "Never include them". That pesky Westminster Government looking to hide the figures by releasing them through a that shadowy secretive body, the Office for National Statistics.

    Never change, Malc, you're a gem.
    And hide them on a slideshow presented each day from No.10 and broadcast on every television news channel...

    Then put the slideshow and data on a hidden website -

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/slides-and-datasets-to-accompany-coronavirus-press-conference-28-april-2020

    The cunning barstewards.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    All papers are partisan but you just don't notice it in those publications which reflect your views.
    That is true but I read and have read the Graun quite regularly for some time (or used to) and I discerned a change after the GE.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,011
    TOPPING said:

    Guardian or Times?

    I think the Graun has got a lot more partisan since 12th Dec.
    Times, see my reply to Mr Smithson
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    are there no lengths BoJo won't go to to miss PMQ?
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    TOPPING said:

    That is true but I read and have read the Graun quite regularly for some time (or used to) and I discerned a change after the GE.
    It's not surprising, they're no longer worried about scary Mr. Corbyn taxing their second homes
  • isamisam Posts: 41,317
    edited April 2020
    Sir Keir Starmer’s mother in law had a nasty accident and later passed away during the latter stages of the Labour leadership campaign. He took a load of time off, suspended his campaign, missed one set of hustings and sent a replacement to another.

    Was this ok?

    Would the Boris haters be criticising Sir Keir if he had took the same decision, to be with his family in their time of need, if it had happened while he were PM?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    Andy_JS said:

    My question would still be: is age only the main factor because most older people have health conditions?
    No, the effect of age remained strong when the regression took those into account.

    <50 =1 (reference)

    50-69 = 4 risk ratio

    70-79 = 9.5 risk ratio

    80+= 13.5 risk ratio
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    kinabalu said:

    News I've just seen is that here in the UK one third of all the people hospitalized with Covid-19 since the start of the outbreak have died. One third! And the figure will end up higher since there are many patients in hospital now who have not yet died but will.

    On this measure - your chances of responding to treatment - the disease is as bad as Ebola.

    Frightening.
    I don't think it an accurate measure though. A quick bit of Google research suggests a an average EVD case fatality rate of around 50%, which is more than 10 times more than CV19. If a disease (any disease) is serious enough for hospitalisation then there is an elevated chance of mortality in that specific case.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    The people who are hospitalised mostly suffer from very serious health issues anyway and so its not really surprising many don;t respond.

    Niall Ferguson has said that up to two thirds of those who will pass away from Corona would have passed away this year anyway but of something else.

    Its very sad but in many instances Corona merely hastens the demise of those who pass away.


    This isn't true. See here:
    https://www.linkedin.com/posts/covid-19-actuaries-response-group_covid-19-arg-death-row-bulletin-activity-6653226206785347584-SQnY/

    Life expectancy of such people, even with ‘worst case’ profiles (eg obese smokers), are of the order of five years or more – these people would probably not have died (without COVID-19) anytime soon.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330

    This would just make me think of Dr Strangelove.
    One positive at least.

    Genius moment in a great film.

    https://youtu.be/15YgdrhrCM8
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    Times, see my reply to Mr Smithson
    Yes I think it still is the paper of record.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    TOPPING said:

    Guardian or Times?

    I think the Graun has got a lot more partisan since 12th Dec.
    the precise moment the Guardian cracked

    image
  • fox327fox327 Posts: 373

    Pfizer Chief Executive Officer Albert Bourla said on Tuesday a coronavirus vaccine for emergency use could be ready by the autumn and for broader roll out by the end of 2020.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8268277/Pfizer-says-coronavirus-vaccine-ready-fall.html

    I think it is looking likely that a vaccine will be available by the end of this year, or if not then by the end of 2021. This is likely to give the government a problem if many people don't want to take it. How many people will be willing to be vaccinated? If half the population is willing to be vaccinated then R0 will be close to 1. Some people want a vaccine to be tested on prisoners first. Despite this we are still lucky that this time a vaccine is likely to be developed; we have had a warning that a worse disaster is possible.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198

    The people who are hospitalised mostly suffer from very serious health issues anyway and so its not really surprising many don;t respond.

    Niall Ferguson has said that up to two thirds of those who will pass away from Corona would have passed away this year anyway but of something else.

    Its very sad but in many instances Corona merely hastens the demise of those who pass away.


    That is whole point of why we are in lockdown - this thing kills orders of magnitude more than regular "flus". And there is no cure - just attempts to keep you alive, if you get it badly, while you get through having it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330
    edited April 2020
    TOPPING said:

    Yes I think it still is the paper of record.
    It's all self praising rubbish but The Telegraph also used to be called the newspaper of record.

    How we laughed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,530
    #ExtendTheLockdown seems to be trending.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    fox327 said:

    I think it is looking likely that a vaccine will be available by the end of this year, or if not then by the end of 2021. This is likely to give the government a problem if many people don't want to take it. How many people will be willing to be vaccinated? If half the population is willing to be vaccinated then R0 will be close to 1. Some people want a vaccine to be tested on prisoners first. Despite this we are still lucky that this time a vaccine is likely to be developed; we have had a warning that a worse disaster is possible.
    Tested on prisoners? Are you serious, or is that an autocorrect of volunteers?
  • johnoundlejohnoundle Posts: 120

    Leaving aside any questions on whether it's realistic to assume that the timeline could be replicated even for that "simple and bare bones" FTA, it might be pertinent to ask what exactly is in that "simple and bare bones" FTA and what exactly it will deliver.

    Would it be possible for Airbus to manufacture airplane wings in Wales, or for car manufacturers to produce components in the UK, and move these things across the borders in the context of just-in-time supply lines? No.
    Would that FTA allow the chemical, pharma, tech, services industries to sell their goods and services across the borders? No.
    Would that FTA allow British farmers and fishermen to export their products to the EU? No.

    The kind of FTA to make any of that possible would be neither "simple" nor "bare bones" and would presumably require much more time, and, of course, a much, much higher level of regulatory alignment, with all that entails, to be negotiated.

    If it remains a choice between what's currently on offer & WTO, then WTO is a no brainer. The EU will end up with their Singapore on Thames.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,478
    Mr. Borough, not sure Twitter trends reveal much, to be honest.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    isam said:
    It will be a long tail, especially if we have severe geographic differences in infection rate.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198
    IshmaelZ said:

    Tested on prisoners? Are you serious, or is that an autocorrect of volunteers?
    In China - the state volunteers you.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536

    #ExtendTheLockdown seems to be trending.

    The UK lockdown or the Boris lockdown?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,011
    edited April 2020

    the precise moment the Guardian cracked

    image
    Is Polly as barking as ever or has she retired to her second home in Italy?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,111
    Charles said:

    are there no lengths BoJo won't go to to miss PMQ?

    Apparently not...

    https://twitter.com/GdnPolitics/status/1255500215223832576
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198

    Mr. Borough, not sure Twitter trends reveal much, to be honest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Mrfut-FSw
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,322
    kinabalu said:

    News I've just seen is that here in the UK one third of all the people hospitalized with Covid-19 since the start of the outbreak have died. One third! And the figure will end up higher since there are many patients in hospital now who have not yet died but will.

    On this measure - your chances of responding to treatment - the disease is as bad as Ebola.

    Frightening.
    Seems a bit unlikely that a third of Covid admissions to hospital have died, unless only extremely ill Covid patients are being admitted.

    Do you have a source for this figure?
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    #ExtendTheLockdown seems to be trending.

    It is well worth clicking on the side bar to see who is saying it.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    That is whole point of why we are in lockdown - this thing kills orders of magnitude more than regular "flus". And there is no cure - just attempts to keep you alive, if you get it badly, while you get through having it.
    unless you are a very ill person, the 'you' is simply not 'you'. many people have no symptoms. If you are under 50 and healthy you are in very, very little danger.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    As in, I think its Nigerian and Ghanaian expats...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826


    If it remains a choice between what's currently on offer & WTO, then WTO is a no brainer. The EU will end up with their Singapore on Thames.
    Based on what Barnier was saying a few days ago the trade talks should end in June and we should have six months to transition to WTO.

    Once the EU decides we aren't a supplicant state and they don't have a divine right to set our laws or take our fish then we can talk again.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240


    If it remains a choice between what's currently on offer & WTO, then WTO is a no brainer. The EU will end up with their Singapore on Thames.
    Or Buenos Aries in the Puddle...


    We already had Singapore on Thames, that was what Leaverstan resented.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Windsor and Maidenhead council could become first in country to file for bankruptcy as local authorities faces £5billion black hole due to coronavirus crisis"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8269187/Windsor-Maidenhead-council-country-file-bankruptcy.html
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198

    unless you are a very ill person, the 'you' is simply not 'you'. many people have no symptoms. If you are under 50 and healthy you are in very, very little danger.
    Yes - hence "if you get it badly"

    Short version - if it's bad enough to get you to hospital, you are in the sh%t.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,563
    edited April 2020

    Thankfully right now we are at the rare point where the stars align and we are lucky enough to have flamboyant competence.
    You mean Scotland. I assume. Not the UK as a whole.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703

    #ExtendTheLockdown seems to be trending.

    On twitter? Thus heralds the end of the lockdown.

    Interesting correlation, that said, with the weather.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    DougSeal said:

    I don't think it an accurate measure though. A quick bit of Google research suggests a an average EVD case fatality rate of around 50%, which is more than 10 times more than CV19. If a disease (any disease) is serious enough for hospitalisation then there is an elevated chance of mortality in that specific case.
    It is accurate on its terms but yes it's misleading to say it means that Covid is as bad as Ebola. It very much isn't. But "serious Covid" (defined as needing hospital) is on this data a vicious illness indeed. That 33% will be nearer 40% when the current cases work through. So, say you have it, you call an ambulance, they come and get you - at this point (here in the UK) you only have a slightly better than 50/50 chance of ever seeing home again. Caveat, we are all a stat of one, but still, that rather shocked me. Perhaps I haven't been paying sufficient attention.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    kamski said:

    Seems a bit unlikely that a third of Covid admissions to hospital have died, unless only extremely ill Covid patients are being admitted.

    Do you have a source for this figure?
    That matches what we have seen in Leicester. As of yesterday 203 have died, 378 discharged home, that ratio hasn't changed for weeks.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    You mean Scotland. I assume. Not the UK as a whole.
    You assume wrong.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,703
    edited April 2020

    That is whole point of why we are in lockdown - this thing kills orders of magnitude more than regular "flus". And there is no cure - just attempts to keep you alive, if you get it badly, while you get through having it.
    Need to clarify your post here. First off, it has not (yet) killed "orders of magnitude more" than regular flu. And has not yet killed more people than have been killed by flus in bad years.

    Second, we went for a lockdown, and that looks like it might have worked (timing issues mean that it is not certain); while Sweden went for a less stringent lockdown and again, we don't know if it worked. Whatever worked means in those two contexts.

    So I'm not sure your post really proves anything. Is it more virulent than bad flu epidemics? No idea. When we see that tens of thousands of people died in 1968, do we know in what way that differed, or what different mode of treatment was offered to those suffering from C-19?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,161

    Looks like warming up again down south at least from the weekend, but showers around on certain days. Good growing weather!
    Currently high pressure forecast for VE Day. April has broken UK sunshine records.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Yes - hence "if you get it badly"

    Short version - if it's bad enough to get you to hospital, you are in the sh%t.
    If the case is bad enough but the case will almost certainly involve a host of other issues as well as Corona and you will probably be an old person.

    You seem to think there are a host of otherwise healthy people under 50 being hospitalised with corona.

    If what I have read is true, there are very very few.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,563
    IshmaelZ said:

    That's Vera Lynn in the pic, apparently. At first I thought someone had made a really good fist of the instruction to "do a portrait of the young Queen looking as much like Diana as you can manage",.
    I don't recall people singing anything particular around VE Day. There was a party in the Co-op hall down the road a few days afterwards and I think we sang God Save etc.

    I did have the measles on the day itself, so I wasn't outside. One of life's regrets.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    #ExtendTheLockdown seems to be trending.

    I saw that but changed my settings to "United Kingdom trends" and it wasn't there anymore. Looking at the tweets with the hashtag it appears to relate to the decision to relax the lockdown in Lagos from 4 May.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,227
    I see hopes of economic bounceback are fading. Didn't take a rocket scientist to work out the V shaped OBR projection was head in the clouds mince.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Does not seem to compute. If Sweden has lower ICU capacity but higher Covid-19 incidence than us, why has their health system not struggled to cope?
    Once thing I haven't looked at in Sweden is ratio of Intensive Care admissions vs Deaths compared to other countries.

    From eyeballing it looks like they have quite a high ratio of admissions to deaths (as in very few ICU cases compared to number of dead) but I never trust my lying eyes.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    I don't recall people singing anything particular around VE Day. There was a party in the Co-op hall down the road a few days afterwards and I think we sang God Save etc.

    I did have the measles on the day itself, so I wasn't outside. One of life's regrets.
    "Knees up Mother Brown" was an Armistice Day thing I believe.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,198
    eadric said:


    It’s because, once Boris got a big majority, Brexit became inevitable. So Remainerism reached the final stage of its life cycle: a perpetual shriek of impotent loathing, which will very slowly fade over the aeons, like the Echo of Creation.

    The guardian is a reliable source of this peculiar sound
    Bit like Lady Theodosia Bryan wailing as a ghost through out all eternity, then....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited April 2020
    Despite all the poshos and celebs escaping London for their second homes and how many oldies retire down there, the South West region does seem to have really escaped the CV tidal wave.

    I imagine in terms of normal death rates 20-30 people a day across the whole of that region isn't a substantial percentage of total deaths.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Pulpstar said:
    The London decrease is really dramatic
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    In adjacent Sweden news they keep finding extra deaths on April the 8th. Now up to 113. They are determined to make that the peak.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240
    Pulpstar said:

    I see hopes of economic bounceback are fading. Didn't take a rocket scientist to work out the V shaped OBR projection was head in the clouds mince.

    The stock market seems to have overdone the Gilead bounce, but I am not complaining. It does seem a bit premature considering this:

    https://twitter.com/DSchaeferEcon/status/1255488076920639488?s=19
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited April 2020
    DougSeal said:

    twitter.com/Reuters/status/1255496313287905287

    Unfortunately, it isn't that exciting news. It looks like it can help prevent quite as many people going downhill, but certainly not a magic bullet.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    To me that looks like the 'big ' drop is in London, with a slight smaller drop in the midlands, and the rest almost flat-Lining.

    Nothing like a bit of confirmation bias, but to me that suggests that perhaps London, the worst affected place, is starting to see the affect of 'herd immunity'
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Foxy said:

    That matches what we have seen in Leicester. As of yesterday 203 have died, 378 discharged home, that ratio hasn't changed for weeks.
    How busy is your hospital?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    Despite all the poshos and celebs escaping London for their second homes and how many oldies retire down there, the South West region does seem to have really escaped the CV tidal wave.

    I imagine in terms of normal death rates 20-30 people a day across the whole of that region isn't a substantial percentage of total deaths.

    Is Cheltenham in the South West for these purposes?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,172

    I don't recall people singing anything particular around VE Day. There was a party in the Co-op hall down the road a few days afterwards and I think we sang God Save etc.

    I did have the measles on the day itself, so I wasn't outside. One of life's regrets.
    The VE Day rom com A Royal Night Out is not a bad film imo. I imagine it will be shown on one channel or another.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    If the case is bad enough but the case will almost certainly involve a host of other issues as well as Corona and you will probably be an old person.

    You seem to think there are a host of otherwise healthy people under 50 being hospitalised with corona.

    If what I have read is true, there are very very few.
    You seem to be assuming that "people with comorbidities" are typically at death's door. This is simply wrong. People can live for decades with diabetes, for example.

    I was diagnosed with an immune disorder when I was 15 (I'm now in my 30s), that puts me in the "at risk" group. So if I'd got it and died then I'd be one of your patients with "a host of other issues as well". But my life expectancy, prior to contracting COVID-19, was the same as it would have been if I'd been perfectly healthy. This is a condition that affects hundreds of thousands of people in the UK, at least half of which are under 50. And it's just one of many possible conditions.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited April 2020
    Oh wait...hold your papers...the proper placebo controlled trial is out later today.

    https://twitter.com/bradloncar/status/1255478999675031555?s=20
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Pulpstar said:

    I see hopes of economic bounceback are fading. Didn't take a rocket scientist to work out the V shaped OBR projection was head in the clouds mince.


    12,0000 BA jobs gone, council bankruptcies and slashed wages (P&O) are the harbingers of the economic meltdown ahead. I read today the government may be obliged to cut the minimum wage to get employers to hire people again. Otherwise its no dice.

    And who can blame them? what businessman would take a risk faced with a government gutless cowards terrified of the next Piers Morgan tweet or Guardian headline?

    And if we decide to inflate away the debt via printing money, well, untold millions will see their living standards plummet.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,804
    kamski said:

    Seems a bit unlikely that a third of Covid admissions to hospital have died, unless only extremely ill Covid patients are being admitted.

    Do you have a source for this figure?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52466471?ns_mchannel=social&amp;ns_source=twitter&amp;ns_campaign=bbc_live&amp;ns_linkname=5ea977ce5c8cf7066bdf942f&Third of hospitalised Covid-19 patients in UK have died, study finds&2020-04-29T12:57:44.650Z&amp;ns_fee=0&amp;pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:b72c9f95-a816-42fb-aa44-8f2e3588921a&amp;pinned_post_asset_id=5ea977ce5c8cf7066bdf942f&amp;pinned_post_type=share
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Here is a piece of text the Kevin KcKenna wrote and had published in a national news paper, I have added the emphasis


    I always have a wee chuckle with my atheist chums when they deride the mere concept of spirituality yet have no problems with the cost of an international space programme looking for life beyond the stars. Or when they stress the random nature of creation and everything in it but can’t explain why the seasons fall in the same order year after year (but that’s another debate for another time).


    Kevin McKenna can safely be ignored on any topic.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,917
    Foxy said:

    That matches what we have seen in Leicester. As of yesterday 203 have died, 378 discharged home, that ratio hasn't changed for weeks.
    How is that consistent with the number of deaths being only 13.5% of the number of people who have tested positive, though?

    I thought most of those tested were people who had been admitted to hospital.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,240

    How busy is your hospital?
    Busy in parts, quiet in others, like most. Leicester is well below the national average in case numbers.

    Our surgical wards are quiet, but with the operating theatres being used as ICU, staffed by anaesthetists and Surgical nurses and Trainees, that is inevitable. It isn't possible to run normal services in those circumstances. Fewer DNAs in clinics this week though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Charles said:

    are there no lengths BoJo won't go to to miss PMQ?

    You surely aren't suggesting he'd father a child a week?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    You surely aren't suggesting he'd father a child a week?
    Not for want of trying, or so I understand
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,330
    IshmaelZ said:

    "Knees up Mother Brown" was an Armistice Day thing I believe.
    Spluttered through as the Spanish Influenza began to do its murderous thing I imagine.

    I had a little bird
    its name was Enza
    I opened the window,
    And in-flu-enza.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,659
    eadric said:

    The implications of this are a bit grim, economically

    https://twitter.com/albertonardelli/status/1255501767061786627?s=21

    @contrarian take heed!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited April 2020
    Guardian just released another piece all based on unnamed sources. Somebody is very busy briefing them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/29/revealed-the-inside-story-of-uk-covid-19-coronavirus-crisis
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Pulpstar said:
    And the sun is out!
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