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Ignores the fact that pensioners (usually) paid tax all their working lives.MikeL said:How many people know this?
Pensioner has gross income:
Pension £12,500
Dividends £7,000
Bank interest £1,000
Total £20,500
Tax Bill = NIL!
Personal allowance £12,500. Dividend allowance £2,000. Interest allowance £1,000. And finally the clever one that nobody knows about: Starter rate 0% on first £5,000 of (remaining) savings income.
Plus of course they could have large amounts of ISA income and gains all also tax free!0 -
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies0 -
People with disabilities get the usual rate through all this, and have had sod all up tick for years.Ave_it said:
Yes I think I said that earlierMaxPB said:
Welfare includes the state pension! Freeze that for five years.rottenborough said:
" I would freeze all welfare"HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
They've been frozen for years. Now you to freeze them some more?
And yet, suddenly, the state can afford to give employees 80% of their salary.
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Great story, Mike.0
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It also mentioned a 90% top rate of income tax, if you read the article it was talking about how far Labour raised taxes before Thatcher was electedrottenborough said:
I mentioned IHT because the Telegraph is involved in some kite flying about that tax this morning. 80% was the headline.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where did I mention IHTHYUFD said:
Wrong, IHT is deeply unpopular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
Closing tax evasion loopholes is all the Tory manifesto promised not raising tax. That is what Labour governments do0 -
To be fair, he was probably covering the orifice he talks from.TheScreamingEagles said:Pence is as dumb as a box of rocks
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1255235384876978182
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The starter rate starts being phased out once your total income exceeds £18,500, so this example may need a bit of tweaking?MikeL said:How many people know this?
Pensioner has gross income:
Pension £12,500
Dividends £7,000
Bank interest £1,000
Total £20,500
Tax Bill = NIL!
Personal allowance £12,500. Dividend allowance £2,000. Interest allowance £1,000. And finally the clever one that nobody knows about: Starter rate 0% on first £5,000 of (remaining) savings income.
Plus of course they could have large amounts of ISA income and gains all also tax free!
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20-30% below national average income.squareroot2 said:
Tax on dividends at 20% over 2k? and 40 % fir higher rate taxpayers?MikeL said:How many people know this?
Pensioner has gross income:
Pension £12,500
Dividends £7,000
Bank interest £1,000
Total £20,500
Tax Bill = NIL!
Personal allowance £12,500. Dividend allowance £2,000. Interest allowance £1,000. And finally the clever one that nobody knows about: Starter rate 0% on first £5,000 of (remaining) savings income.
Plus of course they could have large amounts of ISA income and gains all also tax free!
It's not exactly a goldmine, is it?0 -
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Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 83% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies0 -
I think the point is that those in the NHS Superannuation have death in service benefits for their spouses and dependents.FrancisUrquhart said:
My point was as soon as it was announced I predicted we would get complaints of not enough.Big_G_NorthWales said:
To be fair it is difficult to argue against the £60,000 awardFrancisUrquhart said:Never enough...
The families of bus drivers , shop workers, prison officers and other frontline staff who have died from coronavirus should be entitled to the £60,000 life assurance alongside those of healthcare workers, according to employees and unions.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/calls-include-bus-drivers-60k-payouts-coronavirus-deaths
Before we know it will be anybody who died. And £60k won't be enough, it will be £100k.
Many do not, particularly those returning from retirement (at particular risk because of age), and those who are working as locums or agency nurses. I think also a lot of cleaners and housekeepers are contracted out and not covered by death in service.0 -
That article was in June 2019 but trust you to use an article nearly one year old to try to make your point when a pandemic has shattered our country emotionally and economicallyHYUFD said:
You may be a wet lettuce conservative Big G but Boris is a raw steak conservative and committed to tax cuts.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not a floating voter and those on here will just ridicule you for suggesting itHYUFD said:
BigG voted Labour in 1997 and 2001, he is a floating voter not the Tory baseBenpointer said:
There speaks the sensible wing of the Tory party.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
But we are very different conservatives, you a Trump leaning right winger, and me a compassionate liberal conservative
Indeed over time Boris is likely to leave the right in his wake as he creates a fair society with good public services and sensible tax increases to address the levels of unfairness we see
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/09/boris-johnsons-radical-plan-slash-income-tax-3million-raising/
We will also need to keep taxes low to get the economy growing again post lockdown anyway
Taxes will rise and being compassionate is not a wet lettuce but then your Trump like tendencies does not seem to recognise compassion and fairness0 -
When I was a kid I really wanted to join the Navy and become a submariner. Never did. Good job too as this lockdown proves I would have been really bad at it.0
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I've known her for 20 years so I am in a better position to make that judgement than you. She can be very convincing...rottenborough said:
Really? Assuming you aren't a Russian troll bot, how the hell have they managed to get through the regular (as in every few months in some cases) reviews of their health condition by third parties such as ATOS?Ave_it said:
Put it bluntly the country is full of spongers! I personally know someone who has claimed benefits for 20+ years due to 'health problems' and there is nothing wrong with her!Benpointer said:Ave_it said:
There are too many people on welfare who shouldn't be on it and it is a huge burden to the economy! All I am saying is keep it at current level ie no CPI increases for five years. I would like to go further but let's just do that, that will help reduce a bit of the debt.Gallowgate said:
Freezing welfare when the unemployment rate is likely to rise is a terrible idea.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
Your evidence for that assertion is...?
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As ever, the story does not give enough information to absolutely judge. Though it looks very dodgy.HYUFD said:
Illegal as it is in effect still an evictionTheScreamingEagles said:
A lodger only has a right to "reasonable" notice.
The tweet, however, is truly despicable - smearing 3-4 million people because one person did something she doesn't find acceptable.0 -
59% of voters think IHT is unfair, not just the richAve_it said:
I mentioned increasing IHT! Unearned wealth has to fund the bulk of these tax increases. Inheritances aren't earned. Let's do this to capital transfers too - the biggest problem in the London property market is caused by children buying flats primarily funded by mummy and daddy thus squeezing decent working class people out of the market. Let's tax that too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where did I mention IHTHYUFD said:
Wrong, IHT is deeply unpopular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
Closing tax evasion loopholes is all the Tory manifesto promised not raising tax. That is what Labour governments do
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/03/19/inheritance-tax-most-unfair-1 -
No taxes will not rise and being 'compassionate' does not mean ramping up taxes on hard working families and their assets!!Big_G_NorthWales said:
That article was in June 2019 but trust you to use an article nearly one year old to try to make your point when a pandemic has shattered our country emotionally and economicallyHYUFD said:
You may be a wet lettuce conservative Big G but Boris is a raw steak conservative and committed to tax cuts.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not a floating voter and those on here will just ridicule you for suggesting itHYUFD said:
BigG voted Labour in 1997 and 2001, he is a floating voter not the Tory baseBenpointer said:
There speaks the sensible wing of the Tory party.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
But we are very different conservatives, you a Trump leaning right winger, and me a compassionate liberal conservative
Indeed over time Boris is likely to leave the right in his wake as he creates a fair society with good public services and sensible tax increases to address the levels of unfairness we see
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/09/boris-johnsons-radical-plan-slash-income-tax-3million-raising/
We will also need to keep taxes low to get the economy growing again post lockdown anyway
Taxes will rise and being compassionate is not a wet lettuce but then your Trump like tendencies does not seem to recognise compassion and fairness-1 -
I'm talking about the views of real people not referring to opinion polls all the time!HYUFD said:
59% of voters think IHT is unfair, not just the richAve_it said:
I mentioned increasing IHT! Unearned wealth has to fund the bulk of these tax increases. Inheritances aren't earned. Let's do this to capital transfers too - the biggest problem in the London property market is caused by children buying flats primarily funded by mummy and daddy thus squeezing decent working class people out of the market. Let's tax that too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where did I mention IHTHYUFD said:
Wrong, IHT is deeply unpopular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
Closing tax evasion loopholes is all the Tory manifesto promised not raising tax. That is what Labour governments do
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/03/19/inheritance-tax-most-unfair
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We either tax ourselves, tax our children, or debase the currency. Those are the options.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That article was in June 2019 but trust you to use an article nearly one year old to try to make your point when a pandemic has shattered our country emotionally and economicallyHYUFD said:
You may be a wet lettuce conservative Big G but Boris is a raw steak conservative and committed to tax cuts.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not a floating voter and those on here will just ridicule you for suggesting itHYUFD said:
BigG voted Labour in 1997 and 2001, he is a floating voter not the Tory baseBenpointer said:
There speaks the sensible wing of the Tory party.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
But we are very different conservatives, you a Trump leaning right winger, and me a compassionate liberal conservative
Indeed over time Boris is likely to leave the right in his wake as he creates a fair society with good public services and sensible tax increases to address the levels of unfairness we see
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/09/boris-johnsons-radical-plan-slash-income-tax-3million-raising/
We will also need to keep taxes low to get the economy growing again post lockdown anyway
Taxes will rise and being compassionate is not a wet lettuce but then your Trump like tendencies does not seem to recognise compassion and fairness1 -
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies1 -
Agreed - unearned income.HYUFD said:
59% of voters think IHT is unfair, not just the richAve_it said:
I mentioned increasing IHT! Unearned wealth has to fund the bulk of these tax increases. Inheritances aren't earned. Let's do this to capital transfers too - the biggest problem in the London property market is caused by children buying flats primarily funded by mummy and daddy thus squeezing decent working class people out of the market. Let's tax that too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where did I mention IHTHYUFD said:
Wrong, IHT is deeply unpopular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
Closing tax evasion loopholes is all the Tory manifesto promised not raising tax. That is what Labour governments do
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/03/19/inheritance-tax-most-unfair
Abolishing Private Residence Relief on main dwellings would remove a £30 billion a year subsidy.0 -
That poll reflected the views of real people and a whopping 67% of Tory voters in that poll thought IHT unfairAve_it said:
I'm talking about the views of real people not referring to opinion polls all the time!HYUFD said:
59% of voters think IHT is unfair, not just the richAve_it said:
I mentioned increasing IHT! Unearned wealth has to fund the bulk of these tax increases. Inheritances aren't earned. Let's do this to capital transfers too - the biggest problem in the London property market is caused by children buying flats primarily funded by mummy and daddy thus squeezing decent working class people out of the market. Let's tax that too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where did I mention IHTHYUFD said:
Wrong, IHT is deeply unpopular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
Closing tax evasion loopholes is all the Tory manifesto promised not raising tax. That is what Labour governments do
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/03/19/inheritance-tax-most-unfair0 -
Foxys maxim of taxation: fair taxes are taxes paid by other people.HYUFD said:
59% of voters think IHT is unfair, not just the richAve_it said:
I mentioned increasing IHT! Unearned wealth has to fund the bulk of these tax increases. Inheritances aren't earned. Let's do this to capital transfers too - the biggest problem in the London property market is caused by children buying flats primarily funded by mummy and daddy thus squeezing decent working class people out of the market. Let's tax that too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where did I mention IHTHYUFD said:
Wrong, IHT is deeply unpopular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
Closing tax evasion loopholes is all the Tory manifesto promised not raising tax. That is what Labour governments do
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/03/19/inheritance-tax-most-unfair1 -
The public would generally accept any rise in tax as long as they were not paying it, that does not mean a 60% top rate of income tax, one of the highest in the world, would do anything but slow investment and growthjustin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
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We'll be on, what, 43 as a minimum and likely 64?Nigelb said:Lockdown perspective...
https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/12552196680941568030 -
I would respond but am off to have some broth!HYUFD said:
That poll reflected the views of real people and a whopping 67% of Tory voters in that poll thought IHT unfairAve_it said:
I'm talking about the views of real people not referring to opinion polls all the time!HYUFD said:
59% of voters think IHT is unfair, not just the richAve_it said:
I mentioned increasing IHT! Unearned wealth has to fund the bulk of these tax increases. Inheritances aren't earned. Let's do this to capital transfers too - the biggest problem in the London property market is caused by children buying flats primarily funded by mummy and daddy thus squeezing decent working class people out of the market. Let's tax that too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where did I mention IHTHYUFD said:
Wrong, IHT is deeply unpopular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
Closing tax evasion loopholes is all the Tory manifesto promised not raising tax. That is what Labour governments do
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/03/19/inheritance-tax-most-unfair 0 -
Gains in socio-economic mobility through schools for the last ten years will be reversed by lockdown reports Newsnight.
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There certainly some very adept scammers of the system (though of course not all illness or disability is visible). It often seems that the assessments are harshest on the most frail.Ave_it said:
I've known her for 20 years so I am in a better position to make that judgement than you. She can be very convincing...rottenborough said:
Really? Assuming you aren't a Russian troll bot, how the hell have they managed to get through the regular (as in every few months in some cases) reviews of their health condition by third parties such as ATOS?Ave_it said:
Put it bluntly the country is full of spongers! I personally know someone who has claimed benefits for 20+ years due to 'health problems' and there is nothing wrong with her!Benpointer said:Ave_it said:
There are too many people on welfare who shouldn't be on it and it is a huge burden to the economy! All I am saying is keep it at current level ie no CPI increases for five years. I would like to go further but let's just do that, that will help reduce a bit of the debt.Gallowgate said:
Freezing welfare when the unemployment rate is likely to rise is a terrible idea.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
Your evidence for that assertion is...?0 -
That can't be right. The Corbyn Cult Left tweet every night that he is a eugenics nut who wants to kill all pensioners.Scott_xP said:
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A major problem is that the genuine often try their very best to not appear too bad (for example, describing their better days on the official forms), whereas the scammers have no compunction.Foxy said:
There certainly some very adept scammers of the system (though of course not all illness or disability is visible). It often seems that the assessments are harshest on the most frail.Ave_it said:
I've known her for 20 years so I am in a better position to make that judgement than you. She can be very convincing...rottenborough said:
Really? Assuming you aren't a Russian troll bot, how the hell have they managed to get through the regular (as in every few months in some cases) reviews of their health condition by third parties such as ATOS?Ave_it said:
Put it bluntly the country is full of spongers! I personally know someone who has claimed benefits for 20+ years due to 'health problems' and there is nothing wrong with her!Benpointer said:Ave_it said:
There are too many people on welfare who shouldn't be on it and it is a huge burden to the economy! All I am saying is keep it at current level ie no CPI increases for five years. I would like to go further but let's just do that, that will help reduce a bit of the debt.Gallowgate said:
Freezing welfare when the unemployment rate is likely to rise is a terrible idea.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
Your evidence for that assertion is...?
But even so, it takes some going to scam the system these days I would have thought.
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I thought gruel was the bedtime option. IMO IHT is a poisoned chalice for many non socialist inclined voters of whatever hue.Ave_it said:
I would respond but am off to have some broth!HYUFD said:
That poll reflected the views of real people and a whopping 67% of Tory voters in that poll thought IHT unfairAve_it said:
I'm talking about the views of real people not referring to opinion polls all the time!HYUFD said:
59% of voters think IHT is unfair, not just the richAve_it said:
I mentioned increasing IHT! Unearned wealth has to fund the bulk of these tax increases. Inheritances aren't earned. Let's do this to capital transfers too - the biggest problem in the London property market is caused by children buying flats primarily funded by mummy and daddy thus squeezing decent working class people out of the market. Let's tax that too!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Where did I mention IHTHYUFD said:
Wrong, IHT is deeply unpopular.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Taxes will rise and by popular demand.HYUFD said:
They will not, it would be the equivalent of George HW Bush betraying his 'no new taxes' pledge of 1988, the Tory base would rightly go mad and Tory MPs revolt en masse. Boris knows thatBig_G_NorthWales said:
You post with such certainty in an ever changing worldHYUFD said:
It won't, in economics terms Boris is George W Bush crossed with Silvio Berlusconi, he believes like Dick Cheney 'deficits don't matter'Benpointer said:
A post that will age badly imho.HYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Taxes will rise
You are talking of some right wingers in the party like yourself but they will be outvoted by the rest and a general consensus of equity that the wealthy have to pay more
Closing tax evasion loopholes is all the Tory manifesto promised not raising tax. That is what Labour governments do
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/03/19/inheritance-tax-most-unfair1 -
He may well have started off that way. It wasn’t that "the science changed" it was that the polling/focus groups/social media did. That was what Cummings was there to say.rottenborough said:
That can't be right. The Corbyn Cult Left tweet every night that he is a eugenics nut who wants to kill all pensioners.Scott_xP said:0 -
Lol, if that's true sounds like Dom had the right idea to me.Scott_xP said:2 -
His ratings are through the floor since he decided he was Jeremy PaxmanGIN1138 said:I wonder why Piers Morgan/Good Morning Britain/ITV think domestic violence during the lockdown is only worth less than three minutes of an eleven minute interview?
Is the message ITV are giving out that domestic violence is an unimportant and trivial matter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUNlmoCEVLU&t=319s
A thought occurred to me earlier that perhaps the covid crisis might make tv interviewers more civil. The delay on the webcam line means it makes for terrible tv to start speaking before you are sure the other person has finished what they have to say. BBC breakfast seem much more polite generally0 -
Don’t anybody DARE accuse Anders of having an agenda!
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Lol so we've gone from "not at meetings, farming out decisions to scientists, no oversight" to "at meetings, giving oversight to scientists and making the right decisions".Scott_xP said:
It's not going well for the Guardian on this one is it.1 -
The unherd guy is decent. He asks a question and lets them respond before challenging them...rather than standard interrupt / shout over somebody.isam said:
His ratings are through the floor since he decided he was Jeremy PaxmanGIN1138 said:I wonder why Piers Morgan/Good Morning Britain/ITV think domestic violence during the lockdown is only worth less than three minutes of an eleven minute interview?
Is the message ITV are giving out that domestic violence is an unimportant and trivial matter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUNlmoCEVLU&t=319s
A thought occurred to me earlier that perhaps the covid crisis might make tv interviewers more civil. The delay on the webcam line means it makes for terrible tv to start speaking before you are sure the other person has finished what they have to say. BBC breakfast seem much more polite generally0 -
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I am a BIG fan of ', according to people familiar with the matter 'MaxPB said:
Lol so we've gone from "not at meetings, farming out decisions to scientists, no oversight" to "at meetings, giving oversight to scientists and making the right decisions".Scott_xP said:
It's not going well for the Guardian on this one is it.0 -
Given dividend recipients have (rightly IMO) been given no support in the current crisis, I don't think there will be any change to the dividend taxation. Not least because a cut on dividends almost across the board will mean it won't raise much but cause an almighty stink.squareroot2 said:
Tax on dividends at 20% over 2k? and 40 % fir higher rate taxpayers?MikeL said:How many people know this?
Pensioner has gross income:
Pension £12,500
Dividends £7,000
Bank interest £1,000
Total £20,500
Tax Bill = NIL!
Personal allowance £12,500. Dividend allowance £2,000. Interest allowance £1,000. And finally the clever one that nobody knows about: Starter rate 0% on first £5,000 of (remaining) savings income.
Plus of course they could have large amounts of ISA income and gains all also tax free!
And higher rate taxpayers effectively already pay more than 40% on dividends - 32.5% but that is out of profits which have to be taxed as Corp tax.0 -
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NYT:
"Hillary Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee and a political veteran who knows firsthand what it is like to compete against President Trump, threw her support behind Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Tuesday, the latest party leader to make the case for returning the White House to Democratic hands in November."0 -
No, the angle The Guardian have been pushing on this has unraveled. As I said on the day, that story would end up being helpful to the government, it would show that they were involved in the decision making process and not ignoring meetings. So it has turned out.Anabobazina said:0 -
The public perhaps, Tory voters, no.justin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Not going to happen either.1 -
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For all the screaming and wailing from certain quarters, Dom seems to be a positive influence on Govt. To be honest, this is what I've heard from acquaintances who know him, too.MaxPB said:
No, the angle The Guardian have been pushing on this has unraveled. As I said on the day, that story would end up being helpful to the government, it would show that they were involved in the decision making process and not ignoring meetings. So it has turned out.Anabobazina said:1 -
They did, but I see no reason why there are tax alliances other than the single personal alliance. Tax all income over £12,500 at the marginal rate.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ignores the fact that pensioners (usually) paid tax all their working lives.MikeL said:How many people know this?
Pensioner has gross income:
Pension £12,500
Dividends £7,000
Bank interest £1,000
Total £20,500
Tax Bill = NIL!
Personal allowance £12,500. Dividend allowance £2,000. Interest allowance £1,000. And finally the clever one that nobody knows about: Starter rate 0% on first £5,000 of (remaining) savings income.
Plus of course they could have large amounts of ISA income and gains all also tax free!0 -
The bloomberg story doesn't fit with what Ferguson said a SAGE meeting was like. When exactly to implement a measure is a political decision, the SAGE meeting is about presenting models, options and latest papers and debating their merits of the science behind them. Then Witty / Vallance meet with the likes of PM to disseminate the info and guided by that a decision is made.0
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Yes, and I think that there will be a number of non cancer deaths too, in poorly controlled diabetes and heart disease etc, but in the longer term.isam said:
Very worrying.rottenborough said:
It is not that we are blocking these services, more that the patients are not coming.
Todays clinic was better, only 25% DNA.0 -
Considering many now work past retirement age, extending NI to pensioners would be a plausible NHS tax.JohnLilburne said:
They did, but I see no reason why there are tax alliances other than the single personal alliance. Tax all income over £12,500 at the marginal rate.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ignores the fact that pensioners (usually) paid tax all their working lives.MikeL said:How many people know this?
Pensioner has gross income:
Pension £12,500
Dividends £7,000
Bank interest £1,000
Total £20,500
Tax Bill = NIL!
Personal allowance £12,500. Dividend allowance £2,000. Interest allowance £1,000. And finally the clever one that nobody knows about: Starter rate 0% on first £5,000 of (remaining) savings income.
Plus of course they could have large amounts of ISA income and gains all also tax free!1 -
I wonder to what degree the other health positives of the lockdown (fewer RTAs, fewer fights in town centres, fewer DIY accidents, fewer school accidents, fewer strokes and heart attacks) weigh against the negatives?Foxy said:
Yes, and I think that there will be a number of non cancer deaths too, in poorlt controlled diabetes and heart disease etc, but in the longer term.isam said:
Very worrying.rottenborough said:
It is not that we are blocking these services, more that the patients are not coming.
Todays clinic was better, only 25% DNA.0 -
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And to be honest, I've never met anyone who disagrees with it, either.Foxy said:
Considering many now work past retirement age, extending NI to pensioners would be a plausible NHS tax.JohnLilburne said:
They did, but I see no reason why there are tax alliances other than the single personal alliance. Tax all income over £12,500 at the marginal rate.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Ignores the fact that pensioners (usually) paid tax all their working lives.MikeL said:How many people know this?
Pensioner has gross income:
Pension £12,500
Dividends £7,000
Bank interest £1,000
Total £20,500
Tax Bill = NIL!
Personal allowance £12,500. Dividend allowance £2,000. Interest allowance £1,000. And finally the clever one that nobody knows about: Starter rate 0% on first £5,000 of (remaining) savings income.
Plus of course they could have large amounts of ISA income and gains all also tax free!1 -
Must confess not 100% certain.IanB2 said:
The starter rate starts being phased out once your total income exceeds £18,500, so this example may need a bit of tweaking?MikeL said:How many people know this?
Pensioner has gross income:
Pension £12,500
Dividends £7,000
Bank interest £1,000
Total £20,500
Tax Bill = NIL!
Personal allowance £12,500. Dividend allowance £2,000. Interest allowance £1,000. And finally the clever one that nobody knows about: Starter rate 0% on first £5,000 of (remaining) savings income.
Plus of course they could have large amounts of ISA income and gains all also tax free!
The £18,500 figure is presumably £12,500 + £5,000 + £1,000.
But what about the £2,000 dividend allowance - possibly that isn't an allowance but is a 0% rate so allowance still gets used up - ie you don't get it AND the starter rate as well - but as I say not certain!0 -
We are fucked...we are broke...we have no money....we have a service sector, quicksand, gig economy that is fundamentally vulnerable....we are falling out of the world's biggest trading relationship....we are facing the the world's biggest economic calamity for a century.....we are seriously fucked big time....HYUFD said:
The public would generally accept any rise in tax as long as they were not paying it, that does not mean a 60% top rate of income tax, one of the highest in the world, would do anything but slow investment and growthjustin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Britain PLC is FUBARed....for a generation......
Whichever angle we look at this is shocking.....and you are still twittering on about old economics....they are gone...to echo our chancellor....we'll need to do whatever needs to be done.....
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In the short term, I'd expect an emergency tax cut to stimulate consumption. Vat back down to 17.5% for a year, perhaps.tyson said:
We are fucked...we are broke...we have no money....we have a service sector, quicksand, gig economy that is fundamentally vulnerable....we are falling out of the world's biggest trading relationship....we are facing the the world's biggest economic calamity for a century.....we are seriously fucked big time....HYUFD said:
The public would generally accept any rise in tax as long as they were not paying it, that does not mean a 60% top rate of income tax, one of the highest in the world, would do anything but slow investment and growthjustin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Britain PLC is FUBARed....for a generation......
Whichever angle we look at this is shocking.....and you are still twittering on about old economics....they are gone...to echo our chancellor....we'll need to do whatever needs to be done.....
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And now for some happy news...
Dr Anthony Fauci warned on Tuesday that the US could be in for a 'bad fall' if coronavirus treatments do not start working soon and that the killer virus is not merely going to 'disappear from the planet' when lockdowns finish.
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The 2019 new Tory voters from the Red Wall and elsewhere would be happy with it.Mortimer said:
The public perhaps, Tory voters, no.justin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Not going to happen either.0 -
More DIY accidents, surely? RTA deaths are only 1800 a year so 5 a day. And you have to add in domestic violence, and psychological damage, and I'm not sure there is any reason to expect strokes and heart attacks to fall. So I think the health benefits of lockdown are exaggerated.Mortimer said:
I wonder to what degree the other health positives of the lockdown (fewer RTAs, fewer fights in town centres, fewer DIY accidents, fewer school accidents, fewer strokes and heart attacks) weigh against the negatives?Foxy said:
Yes, and I think that there will be a number of non cancer deaths too, in poorlt controlled diabetes and heart disease etc, but in the longer term.isam said:
Very worrying.rottenborough said:
It is not that we are blocking these services, more that the patients are not coming.
Todays clinic was better, only 25% DNA.0 -
If we'd spent a fraction more of this budget on something like....hmmm let me think...pandemic planning....SouthamObserver said:UK behind Germany and France on military spending ...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1255256405835157505?s=21
Instead we spent our cash on nuclear weapons....
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Better air quality is helping with asthma admissions.Mortimer said:
I wonder to what degree the other health positives of the lockdown (fewer RTAs, fewer fights in town centres, fewer DIY accidents, fewer school accidents, fewer strokes and heart attacks) weigh against the negatives?Foxy said:
Yes, and I think that there will be a number of non cancer deaths too, in poorlt controlled diabetes and heart disease etc, but in the longer term.isam said:
Very worrying.rottenborough said:
It is not that we are blocking these services, more that the patients are not coming.
Todays clinic was better, only 25% DNA.
I think DIY and gardening injuries are up. The hand surgeons are busy.0 -
What about a digital tax on Amazon etc.? Even if they do just pass the tax on to UK consumers, it still wouldn't be that unpopular.HYUFD said:
The situation has not changed. Taxes will not rise and certainly not deeply unpopular taxes like IHT.Ave_it said:
HYUFD - the situation has changed. Taxes will need to rise and significantly to recover the nation's finance. Hopefully the focus will be on unearned wealth so increases to IHT, more tax on investment properties etc. But generally we all will have to pay more.HYUFD said:
Taxes will not rise as the Tory manifesto Tory MPs were elected on made clear, Boris knows that and with a Tory majority of 80 Tory MPs elected on that manifesto will vote down any tax rises anywayBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may find this has changed and taxes will rise but so will spending on the NHSHYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Plus - if the government is brave enough - a freeze on welfare, hopefully Boris' 80 seat majority will help with this!
For the umpteenth time Boris is a populist not a deficit hawk like Osborne or May3 -
With that attitude we'd probably be speaking Russian right now. Or worse, French.tyson said:
If we'd spent a fraction more of this budget on something like....hmmm let me think...pandemic planning....SouthamObserver said:UK behind Germany and France on military spending ...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1255256405835157505?s=21
Instead we spent our cash on nuclear weapons....0 -
It's your poor full stop key that I feel for in all this.tyson said:
We are fucked...we are broke...we have no money....we have a service sector, quicksand, gig economy that is fundamentally vulnerable....we are falling out of the world's biggest trading relationship....we are facing the the world's biggest economic calamity for a century.....we are seriously fucked big time....HYUFD said:
The public would generally accept any rise in tax as long as they were not paying it, that does not mean a 60% top rate of income tax, one of the highest in the world, would do anything but slow investment and growthjustin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Britain PLC is FUBARed....for a generation......
Whichever angle we look at this is shocking.....and you are still twittering on about old economics....they are gone...to echo our chancellor....we'll need to do whatever needs to be done.....1 -
Pretty much it....we are placing the house on a vaccine...otherwise in 2 years time we will all be living in transformed, totalitarian, socialist, economies......FrancisUrquhart said:And now for some happy news...
Dr Anthony Fauci warned on Tuesday that the US could be in for a 'bad fall' if coronavirus treatments do not start working soon and that the killer virus is not merely going to 'disappear from the planet' when lockdowns finish.
Basically we are all f##ked unless somebody finds a miracle drug and / or a vaccine is produced.
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Mark Francois is getting ready to cry Judas.rottenborough said:0 -
Award for one of the weirdest arguments mounted on PB ever. Nicely done. No nukes, speak French.RobD said:
With that attitude we'd probably be speaking Russian right now. Or worse, French.tyson said:
If we'd spent a fraction more of this budget on something like....hmmm let me think...pandemic planning....SouthamObserver said:UK behind Germany and France on military spending ...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1255256405835157505?s=21
Instead we spent our cash on nuclear weapons....0 -
Go to the wrong aisle in the supermarket and the poo-poo will be all over you...cause mayhem on a main road, carry on.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11500646/bikers-rideout-tribute-london-north-circular-motorcyclist-death/0 -
As Elmore Leonard said...why let grammar get in the way of writing.....Luckyguy1983 said:
It's your poor full stop key that I feel for in all this.tyson said:
We are fucked...we are broke...we have no money....we have a service sector, quicksand, gig economy that is fundamentally vulnerable....we are falling out of the world's biggest trading relationship....we are facing the the world's biggest economic calamity for a century.....we are seriously fucked big time....HYUFD said:
The public would generally accept any rise in tax as long as they were not paying it, that does not mean a 60% top rate of income tax, one of the highest in the world, would do anything but slow investment and growthjustin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Britain PLC is FUBARed....for a generation......
Whichever angle we look at this is shocking.....and you are still twittering on about old economics....they are gone...to echo our chancellor....we'll need to do whatever needs to be done.....
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To be fair to me 1) it was a joke, and 2) i was referring to the attitude.Jonathan said:
Award for one of the weirdest arguments mounted on PB ever. Nicely done. No nukes, speak French.RobD said:
With that attitude we'd probably be speaking Russian right now. Or worse, French.tyson said:
If we'd spent a fraction more of this budget on something like....hmmm let me think...pandemic planning....SouthamObserver said:UK behind Germany and France on military spending ...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1255256405835157505?s=21
Instead we spent our cash on nuclear weapons....0 -
Is a post treatment biopsy for non invasive bladder cancer that important? My dads got cancelled because of the covid crisis. He doesn’t want to go near a hospital now anyway as he is nervous he’ll catch itFoxy said:
Yes, and I think that there will be a number of non cancer deaths too, in poorly controlled diabetes and heart disease etc, but in the longer term.isam said:
Very worrying.rottenborough said:
It is not that we are blocking these services, more that the patients are not coming.
Todays clinic was better, only 25% DNA.
It was post chemo injections, he’d already got an all clear after the op I think0 -
At this rate we won't have to worry about quarantining new arrivals at airports, cos their won't be any airlines left.
Lufthansa, one of the world’s most powerful airlines, is preparing to file for bankruptcy as talks intensify over an €8bn (£7bn) German government rescue.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/04/28/lufthansa-mulls-bankruptcy-bailout-talks-stall/0 -
Asking whether borrowing extra trillions to buy nukes might necessarily be money well spent at the moment seems like a pretty sensible question.RobD said:
To be fair to me 1) it was a joke, and 2) i was referring to the attitude.Jonathan said:
Award for one of the weirdest arguments mounted on PB ever. Nicely done. No nukes, speak French.RobD said:
With that attitude we'd probably be speaking Russian right now. Or worse, French.tyson said:
If we'd spent a fraction more of this budget on something like....hmmm let me think...pandemic planning....SouthamObserver said:UK behind Germany and France on military spending ...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1255256405835157505?s=21
Instead we spent our cash on nuclear weapons....0 -
In reality we are not, if you are under 50 even if you get Covid you are over 99.5% likely to survive it.FrancisUrquhart said:And now for some happy news...
Dr Anthony Fauci warned on Tuesday that the US could be in for a 'bad fall' if coronavirus treatments do not start working soon and that the killer virus is not merely going to 'disappear from the planet' when lockdowns finish.
Basically we are all f##ked unless somebody finds a miracle drug and / or a vaccine is produced.
Once we have enough mass testing then ease the lockdown and if we get a vaccine great, if not we just press on anyway1 -
That would be an interesting question to ask, but it wasn't the one that was asked.Jonathan said:
Asking whether borrowing extra trillions to buy nukes might necessarily be money well spent at the moment seems like a pretty sensible question.RobD said:
To be fair to me 1) it was a joke, and 2) i was referring to the attitude.Jonathan said:
Award for one of the weirdest arguments mounted on PB ever. Nicely done. No nukes, speak French.RobD said:
With that attitude we'd probably be speaking Russian right now. Or worse, French.tyson said:
If we'd spent a fraction more of this budget on something like....hmmm let me think...pandemic planning....SouthamObserver said:UK behind Germany and France on military spending ...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1255256405835157505?s=21
Instead we spent our cash on nuclear weapons....0 -
60% with the addition of NI would be utterly absurd.justin124 said:
The 2019 new Tory voters from the Red Wall and elsewhere would be happy with it.Mortimer said:
The public perhaps, Tory voters, no.justin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Not going to happen either.
Who are these people doing DIY when they could be binging on Ozark and Better Call Saul??IshmaelZ said:
More DIY accidents, surely? RTA deaths are only 1800 a year so 5 a day. And you have to add in domestic violence, and psychological damage, and I'm not sure there is any reason to expect strokes and heart attacks to fall. So I think the health benefits of lockdown are exaggerated.Mortimer said:
I wonder to what degree the other health positives of the lockdown (fewer RTAs, fewer fights in town centres, fewer DIY accidents, fewer school accidents, fewer strokes and heart attacks) weigh against the negatives?Foxy said:
Yes, and I think that there will be a number of non cancer deaths too, in poorlt controlled diabetes and heart disease etc, but in the longer term.isam said:
Very worrying.rottenborough said:
It is not that we are blocking these services, more that the patients are not coming.
Todays clinic was better, only 25% DNA.0 -
They definitely won't be binging on Westworld Season 3...Mortimer said:
60% with the addition of NI would be utterly absurd.justin124 said:
The 2019 new Tory voters from the Red Wall and elsewhere would be happy with it.Mortimer said:
The public perhaps, Tory voters, no.justin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Not going to happen either.
Who are these people doing DIY when they could be binging on Ozark and Better Call Saul??IshmaelZ said:
More DIY accidents, surely? RTA deaths are only 1800 a year so 5 a day. And you have to add in domestic violence, and psychological damage, and I'm not sure there is any reason to expect strokes and heart attacks to fall. So I think the health benefits of lockdown are exaggerated.Mortimer said:
I wonder to what degree the other health positives of the lockdown (fewer RTAs, fewer fights in town centres, fewer DIY accidents, fewer school accidents, fewer strokes and heart attacks) weigh against the negatives?Foxy said:
Yes, and I think that there will be a number of non cancer deaths too, in poorlt controlled diabetes and heart disease etc, but in the longer term.isam said:
Very worrying.rottenborough said:
It is not that we are blocking these services, more that the patients are not coming.
Todays clinic was better, only 25% DNA.0 -
Maybe but would likely need to be G7 wide to be effectiveLuckyguy1983 said:
What about a digital tax on Amazon etc.? Even if they do just pass the tax on to UK consumers, it still wouldn't be that unpopular.HYUFD said:
The situation has not changed. Taxes will not rise and certainly not deeply unpopular taxes like IHT.Ave_it said:
HYUFD - the situation has changed. Taxes will need to rise and significantly to recover the nation's finance. Hopefully the focus will be on unearned wealth so increases to IHT, more tax on investment properties etc. But generally we all will have to pay more.HYUFD said:
Taxes will not rise as the Tory manifesto Tory MPs were elected on made clear, Boris knows that and with a Tory majority of 80 Tory MPs elected on that manifesto will vote down any tax rises anywayBig_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may find this has changed and taxes will rise but so will spending on the NHSHYUFD said:
Not happening, Boris is ideologically opposed to putting up tax or cutting spending, he is not George Osborne but a Berlusconi style populist.dixiedean said:This IHT story is a trial balloon. Expect many more such. The government is softeing up the Press and the reasonably off for the inevitable unavoidable fact that they are going to have to put their hands in their pockets.
In some way shape or form.
The numbers don't work otherwise. Either economically or electorally.
Boris and Sunak will borrow indefinitely rather than put up tax or cut spending on the police, schools or NHS
Plus - if the government is brave enough - a freeze on welfare, hopefully Boris' 80 seat majority will help with this!
For the umpteenth time Boris is a populist not a deficit hawk like Osborne or May0 -
Or we reach some form of herd immunity -tyson said:
Pretty much it....we are placing the house on a vaccine...otherwise in 2 years time we will all be living in transformed, totalitarian, socialist, economies......FrancisUrquhart said:And now for some happy news...
Dr Anthony Fauci warned on Tuesday that the US could be in for a 'bad fall' if coronavirus treatments do not start working soon and that the killer virus is not merely going to 'disappear from the planet' when lockdowns finish.
Basically we are all f##ked unless somebody finds a miracle drug and / or a vaccine is produced.
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/12541609378059264051 -
We created our own nuclear weapons because of the Americans, not the Russians.RobD said:
To be fair to me 1) it was a joke, and 2) i was referring to the attitude.Jonathan said:
Award for one of the weirdest arguments mounted on PB ever. Nicely done. No nukes, speak French.RobD said:
With that attitude we'd probably be speaking Russian right now. Or worse, French.tyson said:
If we'd spent a fraction more of this budget on something like....hmmm let me think...pandemic planning....SouthamObserver said:UK behind Germany and France on military spending ...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1255256405835157505?s=21
Instead we spent our cash on nuclear weapons....0 -
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1255227126002974725?s=20rottenborough said:NYT:
"Hillary Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee and a political veteran who knows firsthand what it is like to compete against President Trump, threw her support behind Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Tuesday, the latest party leader to make the case for returning the White House to Democratic hands in November."0 -
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He loves his ellipsis even more than his apocalyptic predictions.Luckyguy1983 said:
It's your poor full stop key that I feel for in all this.tyson said:
We are fucked...we are broke...we have no money....we have a service sector, quicksand, gig economy that is fundamentally vulnerable....we are falling out of the world's biggest trading relationship....we are facing the the world's biggest economic calamity for a century.....we are seriously fucked big time....HYUFD said:
The public would generally accept any rise in tax as long as they were not paying it, that does not mean a 60% top rate of income tax, one of the highest in the world, would do anything but slow investment and growthjustin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Britain PLC is FUBARed....for a generation......
Whichever angle we look at this is shocking.....and you are still twittering on about old economics....they are gone...to echo our chancellor....we'll need to do whatever needs to be done.....0 -
True, speaking american is perhaps the most frightening prospect.williamglenn said:
We created our own nuclear weapons because of the Americans, not the Russians.RobD said:
To be fair to me 1) it was a joke, and 2) i was referring to the attitude.Jonathan said:
Award for one of the weirdest arguments mounted on PB ever. Nicely done. No nukes, speak French.RobD said:
With that attitude we'd probably be speaking Russian right now. Or worse, French.tyson said:
If we'd spent a fraction more of this budget on something like....hmmm let me think...pandemic planning....SouthamObserver said:UK behind Germany and France on military spending ...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1255256405835157505?s=21
Instead we spent our cash on nuclear weapons....2 -
Hopefully when this all settles.....the NHS will look at historical DNA's with horror about how badly it used to perform.....isam said:
Is a post treatment biopsy for non invasive bladder cancer that important? My dads got cancelled because of the covid crisis. He doesn’t want to go near a hospital now anyway as he is nervous he’ll catch itFoxy said:
Yes, and I think that there will be a number of non cancer deaths too, in poorly controlled diabetes and heart disease etc, but in the longer term.isam said:
Very worrying.rottenborough said:
It is not that we are blocking these services, more that the patients are not coming.
Todays clinic was better, only 25% DNA.
It was post chemo injections, he’d already got an all clear after the op I think
In many sectors it really wasn't fit for purpose....particularly in getting vulnerable people into appointments (and then blaming them for not coming in)....
I have the deep scars of dealing with clinicians who couldn't see beyond their own sanctimonious bullshit.....0 -
With a bit of luck Captain Tom Moore should reach £30 million by his 100th birthday on Thursday. Currently on £29.35 million.
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/tomswalkforthenhs
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Totally exonerated, it would seem.HYUFD said:2 -
There are pigs flying in the sky, cats and dogs are sleeping together, hell has frozen over and I find myself agreeing with something HYUFD has posted.HYUFD said:
In reality we are not, if you are under 50 even if you get Covid you are over 99.5% likely to survive it.FrancisUrquhart said:And now for some happy news...
Dr Anthony Fauci warned on Tuesday that the US could be in for a 'bad fall' if coronavirus treatments do not start working soon and that the killer virus is not merely going to 'disappear from the planet' when lockdowns finish.
Basically we are all f##ked unless somebody finds a miracle drug and / or a vaccine is produced.
Once we have enough mass testing then ease the lockdown and if we get a vaccine great, if not we just press on anyway1 -
We can hope.....DougSeal said:
Or we reach some form of herd immunity -tyson said:
Pretty much it....we are placing the house on a vaccine...otherwise in 2 years time we will all be living in transformed, totalitarian, socialist, economies......FrancisUrquhart said:And now for some happy news...
Dr Anthony Fauci warned on Tuesday that the US could be in for a 'bad fall' if coronavirus treatments do not start working soon and that the killer virus is not merely going to 'disappear from the planet' when lockdowns finish.
Basically we are all f##ked unless somebody finds a miracle drug and / or a vaccine is produced.
https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1254160937805926405
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Tory voters in the red wall care more about cutting immigration and delivering Brexit in full than they do about raising taxes on the rich, wealthy Tory voters in the South though do care about keeping their taxes lowMortimer said:
60% with the addition of NI would be utterly absurd.justin124 said:
The 2019 new Tory voters from the Red Wall and elsewhere would be happy with it.Mortimer said:
The public perhaps, Tory voters, no.justin124 said:
And increased VAT from 8% to 15% within weeks of taking office! The range of goods subject to VAT was also widened. Moreover, to be accurate the Top rateof Income Tax she inherited was 83% - which she reduced to 60% in June 1979 and where it remained until 1988. I believe the public would accept a return to a Top Rate of 60%.HYUFD said:
Thatcher cut the top rate of income tax from 90% when she arrived at No 10 to just 40% by the time she left officejustin124 said:
Tory Governments have often increased taxes - including when headed by Thatcher.HYUFD said:
The Tory manifesto contained a commitment to keep the triple lock, Tory members also strongly support the marriage allowance.Ave_it said:
All good ideas - also get rid of the marriage allowance (why do we have this, its not the 1950s), scrap the Triple Lock. I would freeze all welfare and state pension for five years.MikeL said:Surely the answer is that Boris will put up taxes to some degree but it'll be ones that don't generate headlines and are less likely to be noticed.
So that means tax rates do not go up (for any tax). Instead what you do is:
- Freeze allowances
- Reduce reliefs
I would have thought a pretty significant cut to relief for pension contributions is the most obvious big revenue earner - maybe restrict to basic rate.
Also cut CGT allowance from £12,000 to say £1,500, reduce ISA limit from £20,000 to say £10,000.
Next maybe scrap 0% rate on first £5,000 of savings income, scrap £2,000 dividend allowance.
The list goes on - lots of things you can do that most people don't have faintest idea about.
And make self employed pay their fair rate of NI.
We have a Tory majority and it will pursue Tory policies
Not going to happen either.
Who are these people doing DIY when they could be binging on Ozark and Better Call Saul??IshmaelZ said:
More DIY accidents, surely? RTA deaths are only 1800 a year so 5 a day. And you have to add in domestic violence, and psychological damage, and I'm not sure there is any reason to expect strokes and heart attacks to fall. So I think the health benefits of lockdown are exaggerated.Mortimer said:
I wonder to what degree the other health positives of the lockdown (fewer RTAs, fewer fights in town centres, fewer DIY accidents, fewer school accidents, fewer strokes and heart attacks) weigh against the negatives?Foxy said:
Yes, and I think that there will be a number of non cancer deaths too, in poorlt controlled diabetes and heart disease etc, but in the longer term.isam said:
Very worrying.rottenborough said:
It is not that we are blocking these services, more that the patients are not coming.
Todays clinic was better, only 25% DNA.0
