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Yes, the article says he has a home in Newark, and moved from that to his home with his family.IshmaelZ said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/10/politics-latest-news-minister-admits-travelling-150-miles-london/0 -
Yes, never does the hard bit. We've all met them.Theuniondivvie said:How typically Borissian, triumphal entry to resurrection avoiding that unpleasant death bit in the middle.
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One I ate earlier! (This year)Luckyguy1983 said:
Hahahaisam said:
Chilli Non Carne is a nice meat free dish from Aldisquareroot2 said:
Very true.. but its a bit hit and miss.. i wiuodnt buy their coffee but tgeir biscuits fir cheese are lovely. Booze slways good. Fruit and veg excellent the salmon is lovely toooDecrepiterJohnL said:
What Aldi and Lidl have done is to persuade people to buy off-brand, which for decades we have avoided. It is the one contributing secret of their success that is rarely discussed.squareroot2 said:
If you want to.continue to pay 30 per cent more for your shop... keep avoiding aldi and lidlTheScreamingEagles said:
They’ve got rid of the aisle of shite in AldiMarqueeMark said:
Exhibit A - the central aisle at Lidlsquareroot2 said:
What is a non essential aisle.?kle4 said:
It's curious they are still trying to enforce such a thing when it's been made clear already that is beyond what is required by the law. Do they not read the news?williamglenn said:Cambridge police patrolling the non-essential aisles.
https://twitter.com/cambridgecops/status/1248527425379713025?s=21
aka The Aisle of Shite......
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/aldi-apology-special-buys-removed-18069646
PS - Am I the only working class Northerner to have never set foot in an Aldi or Lidl?
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That's not unusual either, many MPs don't come from their constituencies originally.nichomar said:
And the one he claims is the family home in Hertfordshire which is not his constituency I believe.JohnLilburne said:
Well, he's an MP so will have one in London and one in his constituency, for starters.nichomar said:How many ‘homes’ does Jenrick have? Surely home is where your kids go to school?
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I'm shocked an MP doesn't consider their constituency their permanent home. Shocked!nichomar said:
And the one he claims is the family home in Hertfordshire which is not his constituency I believe.JohnLilburne said:
Well, he's an MP so will have one in London and one in his constituency, for starters.nichomar said:How many ‘homes’ does Jenrick have? Surely home is where your kids go to school?
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His claim is his family reside in Hereford half of every week under normal circumstances and have been there since before the lockdown. He left London after the last time he was required to do the #10 press conference and has been there ever since.DecrepiterJohnL said:
If nothing else, they prove Jenrick's long leisurely drives round the country are a legitimate story.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. JohnL, the guidance specifically permits medicine and food deliveries.
I am uncertain why you consider Anna Soubry's apparent comments to have weight.
He has dropped off some medications to his parents.
Unless he is lying, not much evidence of "lots of long leisurely drives".1 -
Which pb.com tory is this?Theuniondivvie said:
How typically Borissian, triumphal entry to resurrection avoiding that unpleasant death bit in the middle.kinabalu said:
Most apt for Good Friday.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20
He (almost) died to save us all.
https://twitter.com/RyanFilmmaker/status/12483647933224509440 -
Cos we should 'leave' it alone.MarqueeMark said:
Cos why?Luckyguy1983 said:
Let's try and avoid this particular conversational iceberg.MarqueeMark said:
Amongst the lettuce?Luckyguy1983 said:
I don't shop at Aldi or Lidl, but my parents do at the latter. My impression is that meat is very good, fruit and veg produce is pretty crap, there is limited choice, but some great 'gems'.squareroot2 said:
Very true.. but its a bit hit and miss.. i wiuodnt buy their coffee but tgeir biscuits fir cheese are lovely. Booze slways good. Fruit and veg excellent the salmon is lovely toooDecrepiterJohnL said:
What Aldi and Lidl have done is to persuade people to buy off-brand, which for decades we have avoided. It is the one contributing secret of their success that is rarely discussed.squareroot2 said:
If you want to.continue to pay 30 per cent more for your shop... keep avoiding aldi and lidlTheScreamingEagles said:
They’ve got rid of the aisle of shite in AldiMarqueeMark said:
Exhibit A - the central aisle at Lidlsquareroot2 said:
What is a non essential aisle.?kle4 said:
It's curious they are still trying to enforce such a thing when it's been made clear already that is beyond what is required by the law. Do they not read the news?williamglenn said:Cambridge police patrolling the non-essential aisles.
https://twitter.com/cambridgecops/status/1248527425379713025?s=21
aka The Aisle of Shite......
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/aldi-apology-special-buys-removed-18069646
PS - Am I the only working class Northerner to have never set foot in an Aldi or Lidl?0 -
Here not Hert.nichomar said:
And the one he claims is the family home in Hertfordshire which is not his constituency I believe.JohnLilburne said:
Well, he's an MP so will have one in London and one in his constituency, for starters.nichomar said:How many ‘homes’ does Jenrick have? Surely home is where your kids go to school?
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I've been trying to find actual numbers of people flying, and there's very little information out there.RobD said:
Do those air traffic numbers account for the number of bums in seats, or is it plane movements? Also cargo planes will still be flying etc. I'd be surprised if 10,000 people were arriving into Heathrow daily.CarlottaVance said:
Before this kicked off it was over 106,000 international arrivals per day. So even if traffic is down 90% that's still over 10,000 a day. Singapore has simply banned all foreigners from arriving or transiting and returning Singapore nationals are quarantined for 14 days. But there are still 3 SQ flights a week from Singapore to London (used to be 21).RobD said:
How many passengers are coming in daily?OldKingCole said:
Why doesn't someone, at the daily Press conference, have the wit to ask why there are no controls at Heathrow (etc).CarlottaVance said:
Deaths/million pop:noneoftheabove said:
Comparing the UK with Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Ireland, Denmark would be fine. We would be average or better so far.Chris said:
Yes - Germany and Austria aren't really modern Western industrial countries. There are just a few small remote villages, whose inhabitants spend most of the time tilling the land and rarely even see another. They're more likely to catch the virus from a horse than a human! You can't compare what happens there to the experience of proper countries.noneoftheabove said:
Scandinavia, East & Central Europe have much lower population density and are less inter connected than UK, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands. The virus hasnt spread as much to rural areas in those countries either. Id imagine the former group also has better levels of fitness and lower levels of obesity.FF43 said:
I would say the UK response to the coronavirus has been average to poor in European terms, which collectively has done better than the US but worse than East Asia.noneoftheabove said:
Why is Germany the baseline rather than Italy, Spain, France, Holland, Switzerland, Denmark etc? All that shows is at least one country is doing better than us.JonathanD said:
A comparison between the UK death rates and Germany show that's not the case. However best to ascribe the UKs failure to political incompetence rather than active malice.BannedinnParis said:
So successfully, the policy has also been implemented across Europe.isam said:
I would put the UK in a group of countries including France, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Netherlands. Another group of countries including Germany, most of Scandinavia, some of East and Central Europe and Ireland have done better.
It seems much more likely to me the variations are primarily down to factors other than policy.
Spain: 339
Italy: 302
Belge: 260
France: 187
Netherlands: 140
UK: 118
Switz: 111
Sweden: 79
Ireland: 53
Denmark: 41
Portugal: 40
Austria: 35
Germany: 31
Middling, I'd say
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Still far from over, and with Heathrow hoovering in potential new cases daily, time will tell.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that flights not specifically booked as rescue flights are flying almost empty of pax, but passenger planes are being flown with plenty of cargo on board to keep supply chains running. Massive numbers of planes are parked up, and crews furloughed at many airlines.0 -
New moths for the year last night included Waved Umber, Lunar Marbled Brown and Brimstone Moth.
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I see Cambridgeshire police have deleted that tweet.0
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Sir Peter Viggers has died. He will be forever known as the one who claimed for the duck house. Apparently had motor neuron disease.0
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Mr. 86, I'm sure that'll solve it. After all, nobody on the internet ever takes screenshots or remembers things that happened in the past.
Edited extra bit: although at least the pushback did have the desired effect.
Could it be that Twitter is becoming actually useful?0 -
We’ve cosied up to China for too long BY NICK TIMOTHY
https://unherd.com/2020/04/weve-cosied-up-to-china-for-too-long/0 -
People have mentioned that BAMEs are disproportionately dying from Covid19. Could it be because they tend to live in cities with bad pollution problems rather than any genetic/racial disposition?isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
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They also have higher rates of diabetes and heart disease. There is a genetic disposition for that.isam said:
People have mentioned that BAMEs are disproportionately dying from Covid19. Could it be because they tend to live in cities with bad pollution problems rather than any genetic/racial disposition?isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm/home
I am sure things such as more likely to be living in high density housing, in high density urban with higher pollution environments, higher rates of comorbidities, and more likely to be working customer facing jobs.
And finally, religion. Going to organized religious events, they are a key transport vector.1 -
It's generally quite good at revealing numpties in general.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. 86, I'm sure that'll solve it. After all, nobody on the internet ever takes screenshots or remembers things that happened in the past.
Edited extra bit: although at least the pushback did have the desired effect.
Could it be that Twitter is becoming actually useful?0 -
Once the dust settles there should be an easy way to check this hypothesis because you can look at mortality rates in cities vs. rural areas and correct for ethnicity.isam said:
People have mentioned that BAMEs are disproportionately dying from Covid19. Could it be because they tend to live in cities with bad pollution problems rather than any genetic/racial disposition?isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm/home0 -
None of the ones that shop at Waitrose and fly first class obvs.Dura_Ace said:
Which pb.com tory is this?Theuniondivvie said:
How typically Borissian, triumphal entry to resurrection avoiding that unpleasant death bit in the middle.kinabalu said:
Most apt for Good Friday.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20
He (almost) died to save us all.
https://twitter.com/RyanFilmmaker/status/12483647933224509440 -
https://www.facebook.com/andreaf142/videos/10222234809927546/?t=27
There are worse things to endure than the British Police.
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Mr. Isam, a dispassionate, objective look at the demographics and behaviours could prove very enlightening.
I rather doubt we'll get that, though.2 -
I had assumed after the initial 'furore' around being a fighter that the only people complaining would be those complaining about the initial complaints, but apparently there really are people complaining.felix said:
Probably referring to the family tbf. I see the language Police are now determining how we refer to disease and illness. Too tedious.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20
In all seriousness, while our use of language can be problematic at times people really do go too far in the other direction treating some pretty casual or at worst careless uses of language as indicative of deeply appalling or awful character.2 -
Never in doubt. Told people he would be fine, didn't I? Also made a tenner by laying 2020 exit at 4 before they suspended the market. Smug city.MarqueeMark said:Team 50+ year old fat blokes.
Legend.
My sense is that ICU was VERY precautionary, i.e. he was taken into there because of who he is. Quite right to do so, not making a sour little point about it, but it meant he was a great lay in that market (before they shut it down).
Anyway, good news on many fronts. Boris lives, I land a shrewd bet, and - the biggie - I can stop calling him Boris.
What's important now is that Johnson gets back to work asap and gets a grip on the situation. People are dying in numbers that just a few short weeks ago we would have described as scandalous.0 -
We have a census next year, albeit the results won't come out for 18 months or so.RobD said:
Once the dust settles there should be an easy way to check this hypothesis because you can look at mortality rates in cities vs. rural areas and correct for ethnicity.isam said:
People have mentioned that BAMEs are disproportionately dying from Covid19. Could it be because they tend to live in cities with bad pollution problems rather than any genetic/racial disposition?isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm/home0 -
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isam said:
One I ate earlier! (This year)Luckyguy1983 said:
Hahahaisam said:
Chilli Non Carne is a nice meat free dish from Aldisquareroot2 said:
Very true.. but its a bit hit and miss.. i wiuodnt buy their coffee but tgeir biscuits fir cheese are lovely. Booze slways good. Fruit and veg excellent the salmon is lovely toooDecrepiterJohnL said:
What Aldi and Lidl have done is to persuade people to buy off-brand, which for decades we have avoided. It is the one contributing secret of their success that is rarely discussed.squareroot2 said:
If you want to.continue to pay 30 per cent more for your shop... keep avoiding aldi and lidlTheScreamingEagles said:
They’ve got rid of the aisle of shite in AldiMarqueeMark said:
Exhibit A - the central aisle at Lidlsquareroot2 said:
What is a non essential aisle.?kle4 said:
It's curious they are still trying to enforce such a thing when it's been made clear already that is beyond what is required by the law. Do they not read the news?williamglenn said:Cambridge police patrolling the non-essential aisles.
https://twitter.com/cambridgecops/status/1248527425379713025?s=21
aka The Aisle of Shite......
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/aldi-apology-special-buys-removed-18069646
PS - Am I the only working class Northerner to have never set foot in an Aldi or Lidl?
Nice to see the science backs up my theory here when this epidemic broke badly in northern Italy after China.isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm/home
And you can see why India would just get on and do the lockdown on virtually no notice. Must be terrible what it could do there given the air quality issues.0 -
That is my worry. When it comes to health outcomes, we need to investigate all the factors, but it will be so easy to twist things for their own agenda i.e. screaming racism or using race to claim certain immigrant groups are putting undue pressure on our health service.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Isam, a dispassionate, objective look at the demographics and behaviours could prove very enlightening.
I rather doubt we'll get that, though.0 -
I think that is about rightSandpit said:
I've been trying to find actual numbers of people flying, and there's very little information out there.RobD said:
Do those air traffic numbers account for the number of bums in seats, or is it plane movements? Also cargo planes will still be flying etc. I'd be surprised if 10,000 people were arriving into Heathrow daily.CarlottaVance said:
Before this kicked off it was over 106,000 international arrivals per day. So even if traffic is down 90% that's still over 10,000 a day. Singapore has simply banned all foreigners from arriving or transiting and returning Singapore nationals are quarantined for 14 days. But there are still 3 SQ flights a week from Singapore to London (used to be 21).RobD said:
How many passengers are coming in daily?OldKingCole said:
Why doesn't someone, at the daily Press conference, have the wit to ask why there are no controls at Heathrow (etc).CarlottaVance said:
Deaths/million pop:noneoftheabove said:
Comparing the UK with Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Ireland, Denmark would be fine. We would be average or better so far.Chris said:
Yes - Germany and Austria aren't really modern Western industrial countries. There are just a few small remote villages, whose inhabitants spend most of the time tilling the land and rarely even see another. They're more likely to catch the virus from a horse than a human! You can't compare what happens there to the experience of proper countries.noneoftheabove said:
Scandinavia, East & Central Europe have much lower population density and are less inter connected than UK, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands. The virus hasnt spread as much to rural areas in those countries either. Id imagine the former group also has better levels of fitness and lower levels of obesity.FF43 said:
I would say the UK response to the coronavirus has been average to poor in European terms, which collectively has done better than the US but worse than East Asia.noneoftheabove said:
Why is Germany the baseline rather than Italy, Spain, France, Holland, Switzerland, Denmark etc? All that shows is at least one country is doing better than us.JonathanD said:
A comparison between the UK death rates and Germany show that's not the case. However best to ascribe the UKs failure to political incompetence rather than active malice.BannedinnParis said:
So successfully, the policy has also been implemented across Europe.isam said:
I would put the UK in a group of countries including France, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Netherlands. Another group of countries including Germany, most of Scandinavia, some of East and Central Europe and Ireland have done better.
It seems much more likely to me the variations are primarily down to factors other than policy.
Spain: 339
Italy: 302
Belge: 260
France: 187
Netherlands: 140
UK: 118
Switz: 111
Sweden: 79
Ireland: 53
Denmark: 41
Portugal: 40
Austria: 35
Germany: 31
Middling, I'd say
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Still far from over, and with Heathrow hoovering in potential new cases daily, time will tell.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that flights not specifically booked as rescue flights are flying almost empty of pax, but passenger planes are being flown with plenty of cargo on board to keep supply chains running. Massive numbers of planes are parked up, and crews furloughed at many airlines.
There are loads of passenger planes parked up and on the ground.
The accumulations per location can be quite high quite now.
Cargo operations are doing very well I hear.
That is not going to be the case for most European Airlines.
BA for example generates circa 7% of normal revenues from cargo operations.
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I posted this yesterday:isam said:
People have mentioned that BAMEs are disproportionately dying from Covid19. Could it be because they tend to live in cities with bad pollution problems rather than any genetic/racial disposition?isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm/home
Black people in the UK are more likely to be overweight or obese, 72.8% vs 62.0% overall:
https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/health/diet-and-exercise/overweight-adults/latest#by-ethnicity-over-time
"People of Black African origin are up to three times more likely to develop Type 2 diabetes than people of White European origin."
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/research/our-research-projects/london/black-african-ethnicity-and-type-2-diabetes-risk
"Type 2 diabetes is up to six times more common in people of South Asian descent"
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/resources-s3/2017-11/diabetes_in_the_uk_2010.pdf0 -
That is stunning. Do they get released?MarqueeMark said:New moths for the year last night included Waved Umber, Lunar Marbled Brown and Brimstone Moth.
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My MP is certainly running a local CV support network. Jenrick probably doesn't have the time to, he is a Government minister after all. However the question is - would an MP travelling between their home and constituency be an essential journey, or would we expect them to live apart from their family for the duration? Not an easy question to answer.RobD said:
I'm shocked an MP doesn't consider their constituency their permanent home. Shocked!nichomar said:
And the one he claims is the family home in Hertfordshire which is not his constituency I believe.JohnLilburne said:
Well, he's an MP so will have one in London and one in his constituency, for starters.nichomar said:How many ‘homes’ does Jenrick have? Surely home is where your kids go to school?
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Hmmmm.....Floater said:
"The men, aged 40-50, and women, aged 23-25, were refused permission to enter France and ordered by police to fly back to the UK."0 -
A further 48 people have died in Scotland after testing positive for Covid-19, bringing the total there to 495, the first minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced.
Sturgeon said there are now 5,275 confirmed positive cases in Scotland, up by 318 from 4,957 the day before.
There are 207 people in intensive care with coronavirus or coronavirus symptoms, a decrease of five on Thursday.
Sturgeon added that 1,832 people are in hospital with confirmed or suspected Covid-19.0 -
He is of course correct, but the question remains as to how much things will actually change once the current situation is over.FrancisUrquhart said:We’ve cosied up to China for too long BY NICK TIMOTHY
https://unherd.com/2020/04/weve-cosied-up-to-china-for-too-long/1 -
These violent movements must be giving sharp/lucky speculators a real field day. And bankrupting trhe ones that get it wrong. Not a job I'd fancy having.peter_from_putney said:BBC News:
US stocks have just recorded their biggest weekly gain for 46 years despite the bleak economic outlook.
Wall Street's S&P 500 shares index has risen 12% this week, as the US central bank announced more stimulus measures to support the economy.0 -
Lol, there's always a few idiots who thinks the rules don't apply to themselves. No, chartering your own plane to go on holiday isn't allowed!Floater said:1 -
They should have formed one in the first place instead of hijacking the Labour Party.rottenborough said:Jess Phillips appointment has sent the Cult wild.
A typical response:
https://twitter.com/SkyeCity_/status/1248332254532833282
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I did notice that little snippet myselfFrancisUrquhart said:
Hmmmm.....Floater said:
"The men, aged 40-50, and women, aged 23-25, were refused permission to enter France and ordered by police to fly back to the UK."
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Very sensible.williamglenn said:1 -
A friend who works as flight crew for BA noted that passengers are down to a handful - usually people with urgent, on site business at the other end. For example, one chap was an engineer going to provide on-site knowledge to do maintenance on water processing system.Floater said:
I think that is about rightSandpit said:
I've been trying to find actual numbers of people flying, and there's very little information out there.RobD said:
Do those air traffic numbers account for the number of bums in seats, or is it plane movements? Also cargo planes will still be flying etc. I'd be surprised if 10,000 people were arriving into Heathrow daily.CarlottaVance said:
Before this kicked off it was over 106,000 international arrivals per day. So even if traffic is down 90% that's still over 10,000 a day. Singapore has simply banned all foreigners from arriving or transiting and returning Singapore nationals are quarantined for 14 days. But there are still 3 SQ flights a week from Singapore to London (used to be 21).RobD said:
How many passengers are coming in daily?OldKingCole said:
Why doesn't someone, at the daily Press conference, have the wit to ask why there are no controls at Heathrow (etc).CarlottaVance said:
Deaths/million pop:noneoftheabove said:
Comparing the UK with Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Ireland, Denmark would be fine. We would be average or better so far.Chris said:
Yes - Germany and Austria aren't really modern Western industrial countries. There are just a few small remote villages, whose inhabitants spend most of the time tilling the land and rarely even see another. They're more likely to catch the virus from a horse than a human! You can't compare what happens there to the experience of proper countries.noneoftheabove said:
Scandinavia, East & Central Europe have much lower population density and are less inter connected than UK, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium and Netherlands. The virus hasnt spread as much to rural areas in those countries either. Id imagine the former group also has better levels of fitness and lower levels of obesity.FF43 said:
I would say the UK response to the coronavirus has been average to poor in European terms, which collectively has done better than the US but worse than East Asia.noneoftheabove said:
Why is Germany the baseline rather than Italy, Spain, France, Holland, Switzerland, Denmark etc? All that shows is at least one country is doing better than us.JonathanD said:
A comparison between the UK death rates and Germany show that's not the case. However best to ascribe the UKs failure to political incompetence rather than active malice.BannedinnParis said:
So successfully, the policy has also been implemented across Europe.isam said:
I would put the UK in a group of countries including France, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Netherlands. Another group of countries including Germany, most of Scandinavia, some of East and Central Europe and Ireland have done better.
It seems much more likely to me the variations are primarily down to factors other than policy.
Spain: 339
Italy: 302
Belge: 260
France: 187
Netherlands: 140
UK: 118
Switz: 111
Sweden: 79
Ireland: 53
Denmark: 41
Portugal: 40
Austria: 35
Germany: 31
Middling, I'd say
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Still far from over, and with Heathrow hoovering in potential new cases daily, time will tell.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that flights not specifically booked as rescue flights are flying almost empty of pax, but passenger planes are being flown with plenty of cargo on board to keep supply chains running. Massive numbers of planes are parked up, and crews furloughed at many airlines.
There are loads of passenger planes parked up and on the ground.
The accumulations per location can be quite high quite now.
Cargo operations are doing very well I hear.
That is not going to be the case for most European Airlines.
BA for example generates circa 7% of normal revenues from cargo operations.1 -
I am surprised somebody hasn't been on the media asking for us to think about hookers at this tough time....Friday nights, perhaps should be honk for hookers at 8pm.Floater said:
I did notice that little snippet myselfFrancisUrquhart said:
Hmmmm.....Floater said:
"The men, aged 40-50, and women, aged 23-25, were refused permission to enter France and ordered by police to fly back to the UK."0 -
Lidl and Aldi are much less concerned about shelf price consistency. Whilst, say, Sainsburys have the same price on a tin of chopped tomatoes all year round Aldi will see the price vary heavily depending on what they are paying.FF43 said:From talking to a buyer, I understand the Lidl and Aldi buying approach is the same as Tesco and the others: determine the minimum requirements for the product delivery, including quality and capacity to deliver and then choose whoever meets those criteria at the cheapest price. This means there is very little difference in quality across the board for all the supermarkets. The partial exceptions are Marks and Spencer and Waitrose on some products where they include a better but not cheaper metric.
At one point I was paying 8p a can for chopped tomatoes at Aldi whilst they were 35p a can at Sainsburys. Later in the year they were 50p a can at Aldi and 35p at Sainsburys.0 -
Quote:FrancisUrquhart said:We’ve cosied up to China for too long BY NICK TIMOTHY
https://unherd.com/2020/04/weve-cosied-up-to-china-for-too-long/
"The most immediate step should be to reverse the decision to allow Huawei, the
Chinese telecommunications company, to run parts of Britain’s new 5G network. Whatever ministers and officials have convinced themselves, Huawei is not some benign company from a conventional market economy. It is subsidised by Beijing’s autocratic, communist regime so it can find its way into the most sensitive parts of other countries’ critical national infrastructure. Britain should change policy so – like the United States, Australia and other security allies — we ban Huawei from our system."0 -
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Did he get it from biting someone’s leg?FrancisUrquhart said:Ex-England defender Norman Hunter is being treated in hospital after testing positive for coronavirus, his former club Leeds United have confirmed.
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The pressure is going to be overwhelming. And not just 5G, our over reliance on a very small number of countries for crucial elements. It is one thing being ok with cheap crap toys coming from China, but 97% of antibiotics made in China and pretty much all paracetamol from India.Andy_JS said:
Quote:FrancisUrquhart said:We’ve cosied up to China for too long BY NICK TIMOTHY
https://unherd.com/2020/04/weve-cosied-up-to-china-for-too-long/
"The most immediate step should be to reverse the decision to allow Huawei, the
Chinese telecommunications company, to run parts of Britain’s new 5G network. Whatever ministers and officials have convinced themselves, Huawei is not some benign company from a conventional market economy. It is subsidised by Beijing’s autocratic, communist regime so it can find its way into the most sensitive parts of other countries’ critical national infrastructure. Britain should change policy so – like the United States, Australia and other security allies — we ban Huawei from our system."1 -
What's the downside? Get it right and you are a rich hero. Get it wrong and the bank or government bails you out and you need to get a job with a rival firm on Monday. Rinse and repeat.NickPalmer said:
These violent movements must be giving sharp/lucky speculators a real field day. And bankrupting trhe ones that get it wrong. Not a job I'd fancy having.peter_from_putney said:BBC News:
US stocks have just recorded their biggest weekly gain for 46 years despite the bleak economic outlook.
Wall Street's S&P 500 shares index has risen 12% this week, as the US central bank announced more stimulus measures to support the economy.0 -
Is it "Team Do As I Say"?Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
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So speculators never go bankrupt?DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's the downside? Get it right and you are a rich hero. Get it wrong and the bank or government bails you out and you need to get a job with a rival firm on Monday. Rinse and repeat.NickPalmer said:
These violent movements must be giving sharp/lucky speculators a real field day. And bankrupting trhe ones that get it wrong. Not a job I'd fancy having.peter_from_putney said:BBC News:
US stocks have just recorded their biggest weekly gain for 46 years despite the bleak economic outlook.
Wall Street's S&P 500 shares index has risen 12% this week, as the US central bank announced more stimulus measures to support the economy.0 -
I don't think government bailouts are remotely as common as you make out.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's the downside? Get it right and you are a rich hero. Get it wrong and the bank or government bails you out and you need to get a job with a rival firm on Monday. Rinse and repeat.NickPalmer said:
These violent movements must be giving sharp/lucky speculators a real field day. And bankrupting trhe ones that get it wrong. Not a job I'd fancy having.peter_from_putney said:BBC News:
US stocks have just recorded their biggest weekly gain for 46 years despite the bleak economic outlook.
Wall Street's S&P 500 shares index has risen 12% this week, as the US central bank announced more stimulus measures to support the economy.
Especially when Brown isn't in Downing Street.0 -
This could be important:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/
"From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.
The authors explain that the difference in the calculations boils down to how many people are actually infected but haven’t been counted because they have mild or no symptoms."0 -
There, there - I'm sure you'll get over failing to have your heart's desire soon.Dura_Ace said:
Which pb.com tory is this?Theuniondivvie said:
How typically Borissian, triumphal entry to resurrection avoiding that unpleasant death bit in the middle.kinabalu said:
Most apt for Good Friday.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20
He (almost) died to save us all.
https://twitter.com/RyanFilmmaker/status/1248364793322450944
You've had lots of practice, after all.0 -
This was the suggestion you were going to give "serious consideration" to:Luckyguy1983 said:
I've been on an HDU ward before and didn't care for it much, so I'd prefer to have a device to support me at home, even if I were experiencing breathing difficulties. But having paid into the NHS all my adult life, and having health insurance, I'd expect to be treated medically if the worst came to the worst, yes.Chris said:
And if it turned out to be a bad case I suppose you'd want intensive care.Luckyguy1983 said:
Because I would want to know the specifics. If I 'caught' Coronavirus, I would be able to eat the foods, take the supplements, and put in place the treatment regimen that I felt most beneficial. I'd want to do that in this case too.Chris said:
That would be OK, if you insisted.Luckyguy1983 said:
If there were a virus infection programme, I'd certainly give it serious consideration. I think there is something in 'viral dose' so I would expect to be given a minimal dose in controlled conditions.Chris said:
Oh - OK, provided you're going to have a really good go at infecting them.Nigelb said:
Yes, so am I, but perhaps more constructively ?Chris said:
No, I'm not talking about volunteers for a vaccine trial. I'm talking about volunteers actually to be infected by the virus so as to contribute to herd immunity. While ensuring that they won't infect any non-volunteers or deprive non-volunteers of medical resources.Nigelb said:
As volunteers for a large scale vaccine trial, perhaps ?Chris said:
Just out of curiosity, would you agree to be infected with the virus, and to go into isolation until you were no longer infectious, and also to waive the right to medical treatment for the infection?Luckyguy1983 said:
Hard as it is to accept, herd immunity is still the only show in town.malcolmg said:
It did however confirm how our betters think of us, they do not normally admit to it. Our Lords and Masters think of us as disposable worker ants.Mysticrose said:
I think things might have been better if we'd never heard the phrase 'herd immunity.'Ratters said:
Exactly.fox327 said:
The doctors/epidemiologists advising the government have effectively ruled 1) out. The restrictions will continue until cases have been reduced to a very low level. The restrictions will then be slightly loosened until cases rise again when the restrictions will be reimposed. There will never be enough cases for herd immunity to be reached. The only other scenario the doctors will accept for restrictions to be lifted is if a vaccine is available that enables herd immunity to be reached. No doctor will admit this.
See Question Time last night when the epidemiologist was asked what was required for the lockdown to be lifted, and he did not answer the question. The doctors are running the country, and the elected politicians are taking orders from them. If this continues and no vaccine is found the lockdown could last more than 50 years.
If we rule out herd immunity as a strategy, which we seem to have,
Maybe steps like mass antibody testing and compulsory mask wearing (once enough are available) can bring us closer to something that resembles normality, but I've become quite pessimistic of late.
I agree re. your last paragraph. Mass antibody testing, carrying some sort of 'I've had the virus' ID and, yes, compulsory wearing of masks on public transport and inside public buildings.
It's a genuine question. If there were really large numbers of people who felt that way, they could make a genuine contribution to solving the problem.
If they were first vaccinated, and then deliberately infected, you would save many months in testing a vaccine’s efficacy.
But I do think time is of the essence, and if they really think herd immunity is such a brilliant idea they should be willing to do their bit asap.
No volunteers yet, though.
But you still feel a bit unsure whether you'd be willing to do it. Why? If you're advocating herd immunity, you're advocating 60% of the population getting it, including many people who would die. Why so hesitant when it comes to you getting it yourself?
Just out of curiosity, would you agree to be infected with the virus, and to go into isolation until you were no longer infectious, and also to waive the right to medical treatment for the infection?
Thanks for the clarification. As I thought.0 -
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=200 -
BluestBlue said:
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20
Yes but which team has he taken one for?BluestBlue said:
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=200 -
It would also be wrong in law & guidance. If someone is going to the supermarket for food (essential) adding something non-essential doesn’t stop the trip being defined as essentialOldKingCole said:
There's little or no cocaine coming in, apparently and the county line people are in lockdown. No traffic either, so they feel they have to do something.kle4 said:
Yes, but it's not their job to badly enforce those laws. Sometimes they are given unclear guidance from government on interpreting those laws, but they also seem to interpret them themselves (in fairness a lot of the time the government does not give guidance on its laws) and do it inconsistently. Which is something forgivable up to a point, but even when matters have been clarified they seem reluctant to change tack.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I'm all for a strictly enforced lockdown, but this just seems silly. But then I suppose it is the job of the police to enforce laws, no matter how badly they are formulated.Sandpit said:
If 'authorities' want to stop people buying certain items, then they should be cleared from the shelves. Trying to police supermarket trolleys is Orwellian.GIN1138 said:
This makes me queasy. Who's to say what an "essential" item is? What's essential to one person is non-essential to others.williamglenn said:Cambridge police patrolling the non-essential aisles.
https://twitter.com/cambridgecops/status/1248527425379713025?s=21
The police are in no position to judge this.
And no, complaining about such things is no awful police bashing. They do a lot of great work. But there is work they do that is not so great.0 -
I think it was based on a certain naivety. They thought that pendulums swing in British politics, so if they controlled one of the two major parties sooner or later they were bound to be in government.OllyT said:
They should have formed one in the first place instead of hijacking the Labour Party.rottenborough said:Jess Phillips appointment has sent the Cult wild.
A typical response:
https://twitter.com/SkyeCity_/status/1248332254532833282
Bye!
It didn’t occur to them that if people thought they were unfit for government all that would happen is the pendulum wouldn’t swing.1 -
Been mentioned before - but yes, this number is very important.Andy_JS said:This could be important:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/
"From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.
The authors explain that the difference in the calculations boils down to how many people are actually infected but haven’t been counted because they have mild or no symptoms."
What is interesting is the wide variation that such studies seem to indicate.0 -
Team Fucking Awesome!nichomar said:BluestBlue said:
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20
Yes but which team has he taken one for?BluestBlue said:
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20 0 -
Contraband!Jonathan said:0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Mrfut-FSwBluestBlue said:
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
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Wicked French. Not letting those men take their daughters for a much-needed break.Floater said:
I did notice that little snippet myselfFrancisUrquhart said:
Hmmmm.....Floater said:
"The men, aged 40-50, and women, aged 23-25, were refused permission to enter France and ordered by police to fly back to the UK."0 -
Half a per cent, more or less, is very much in line with other evidence, including that from China outside Hubei province.Andy_JS said:This could be important:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/
"From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.
The authors explain that the difference in the calculations boils down to how many people are actually infected but haven’t been counted because they have mild or no symptoms."
Of course, if the zany conspiracy theorists are right it's far deadlier than that. But something like 0.5% seems to be the consensus.0 -
I do wonder about those hiring hookers at this time....of all those I don't want to come into contact with, hookers are up there with healthcare professionals.1
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As often as not (in the good old days) get it wrong and you're a hero too. You have proved you have Balls and post sack will be in great demand. This culture was at the root of the bank crash of 08. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise.DecrepiterJohnL said:What's the downside? Get it right and you are a rich hero. Get it wrong and the bank or government bails you out and you need to get a job with a rival firm on Monday. Rinse and repeat.
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Suggest Boris Johnson follows medical advice and the rest of them follow scientific advice.kinabalu said:
Never in doubt. Told people he would be fine, didn't I? Also made a tenner by laying 2020 exit at 4 before they suspended the market. Smug city.MarqueeMark said:Team 50+ year old fat blokes.
Legend.
My sense is that ICU was VERY precautionary, i.e. he was taken into there because of who he is. Quite right to do so, not making a sour little point about it, but it meant he was a great lay in that market (before they shut it down).
Anyway, good news on many fronts. Boris lives, I land a shrewd bet, and - the biggie - I can stop calling him Boris.
What's important now is that Johnson gets back to work asap and gets a grip on the situation. People are dying in numbers that just a few short weeks ago we would have described as scandalous.1 -
Any mass event not just religious onesFrancisUrquhart said:
They also have higher rates of diabetes and heart disease. There is a genetic disposition for that.isam said:
People have mentioned that BAMEs are disproportionately dying from Covid19. Could it be because they tend to live in cities with bad pollution problems rather than any genetic/racial disposition?isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm/home
I am sure things such as more likely to be living in high density housing, in high density urban with higher pollution environments, higher rates of comorbidities, and more likely to be working customer facing jobs.
And finally, religion. Going to organized religious events, they are a key transport vector.0 -
Naz Shah has been appointed shadow minister for "community cohesion". This is the woman who said grooming victims should stay quiet for the sake of community cohesion. It is astonishingly insulting for victims that Starmer did this.2
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Labour's new minister for community cohesion. She still hasn't apologised.
https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/view,mp-naz-shah-should-resign-after-sharing-tweet-telling-sex-abuse-victims-to-keep-their-mouths-shut_23593.htm0 -
Correct for ethnicity how, if the effect of ethnicity is what you're trying to check?RobD said:
Once the dust settles there should be an easy way to check this hypothesis because you can look at mortality rates in cities vs. rural areas and correct for ethnicity.isam said:
People have mentioned that BAMEs are disproportionately dying from Covid19. Could it be because they tend to live in cities with bad pollution problems rather than any genetic/racial disposition?isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm/home0 -
Which implies about 200 000 deaths in the UK to get to herd immunity and the ability to leave lockdown without controls.Chris said:
Half a per cent, more or less, is very much in line with other evidence, including that from China outside Hubei province.Andy_JS said:This could be important:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/
"From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.
The authors explain that the difference in the calculations boils down to how many people are actually infected but haven’t been counted because they have mild or no symptoms."
Of course, if the zany conspiracy theorists are right it's far deadlier than that. But something like 0.5% seems to be the consensus.
For comparison about twice that number of casualties were taken over the five years of the WW II
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That is definitely a mis-step. Even leaving her past history aside, she has shocking judgement.Gabs3 said:Naz Shah has been appointed shadow minister for "community cohesion". This is the woman who said grooming victims should stay quiet for the sake of community cohesion. It is astonishingly insulting for victims that Starmer did this.
A dog whistle to the far left, perhaps?0 -
The reason the pendulum swings is that the party out of power gets fed up of it and reluctantly accepts they need to compromise with the electorate. .ydoethur said:
I think it was based on a certain naivety. They thought that pendulums swing in British politics, so if they controlled one of the two major parties sooner or later they were bound to be in government.OllyT said:
They should have formed one in the first place instead of hijacking the Labour Party.rottenborough said:Jess Phillips appointment has sent the Cult wild.
A typical response:
https://twitter.com/SkyeCity_/status/1248332254532833282
Bye!
It didn’t occur to them that if people thought they were unfit for government all that would happen is the pendulum wouldn’t swing.0 -
If you could do it without the NHS collapsing - otherwise the death toll would be a lot higher, both from Covid and other causes.FF43 said:
Which implies about 200 000 deaths in the UK to get to herd immunity and the ability to leave lockdown without controls.Chris said:
Half a per cent, more or less, is very much in line with other evidence, including that from China outside Hubei province.Andy_JS said:This could be important:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/
"From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.
The authors explain that the difference in the calculations boils down to how many people are actually infected but haven’t been counted because they have mild or no symptoms."
Of course, if the zany conspiracy theorists are right it's far deadlier than that. But something like 0.5% seems to be the consensus.0 -
Depends how you lift lockdown, I suppose. Keep the oldies and at risk in seclusion as much as possible while the rest get it.FF43 said:
Which implies about 200 000 deaths in the UK to get to herd immunity and the ability to leave lockdown without controls.Chris said:
Half a per cent, more or less, is very much in line with other evidence, including that from China outside Hubei province.Andy_JS said:This could be important:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/
"From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.
The authors explain that the difference in the calculations boils down to how many people are actually infected but haven’t been counted because they have mild or no symptoms."
Of course, if the zany conspiracy theorists are right it's far deadlier than that. But something like 0.5% seems to be the consensus.1 -
Genital sex seems to be OK, but not kisses. If you can split the two :-o .FrancisUrquhart said:I do wonder about those hiring hookers at this time....of all those I don't want to come into contact with, hookers are up there with healthcare professionals.
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Oh yes of course, conferences appear really bad things to attend.squareroot2 said:
Any mass event not just religious onesFrancisUrquhart said:
They also have higher rates of diabetes and heart disease. There is a genetic disposition for that.isam said:
People have mentioned that BAMEs are disproportionately dying from Covid19. Could it be because they tend to live in cities with bad pollution problems rather than any genetic/racial disposition?isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm/home
I am sure things such as more likely to be living in high density housing, in high density urban with higher pollution environments, higher rates of comorbidities, and more likely to be working customer facing jobs.
And finally, religion. Going to organized religious events, they are a key transport vector.
My point was in specific relations to say why Asians are over-represented, going to the mosque or temple, especially the elderly who are much more observant. And we have seen early data that Jews as well.0 -
Seriously plod - go look for some real fecking crimes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207393/Sales-Easter-eggs-wine-barbecues-paddling-pools-soar-ahead-four-day-break.html
Video shows a South Yorkshire officer scolding a family for letting their young children play on the front lawn
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Meeks was right... power creep. Children from one household playing in the front lawn is within the government guidelines.Floater said:Seriously plod - go look for some real fecking crimes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207393/Sales-Easter-eggs-wine-barbecues-paddling-pools-soar-ahead-four-day-break.html
Video shows a South Yorkshire officer scolding a family for letting their young children play on the front lawn
Cambridge Police boasted that officers had visited a local Tesco this morning to snoop on non-essential aisles0 -
Good point. We're only talking about deaths directly related to Covid-19.Chris said:
If you could do it without the NHS collapsing - otherwise the death toll would be a lot higher, both from Covid and other causes.FF43 said:
Which implies about 200 000 deaths in the UK to get to herd immunity and the ability to leave lockdown without controls.Chris said:
Half a per cent, more or less, is very much in line with other evidence, including that from China outside Hubei province.Andy_JS said:This could be important:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/
"From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.
The authors explain that the difference in the calculations boils down to how many people are actually infected but haven’t been counted because they have mild or no symptoms."
Of course, if the zany conspiracy theorists are right it's far deadlier than that. But something like 0.5% seems to be the consensus.0 -
Provided you keep 2 metres apart.MattW said:
Genital sex seems to be OK, but not kisses.FrancisUrquhart said:I do wonder about those hiring hookers at this time....of all those I don't want to come into contact with, hookers are up there with healthcare professionals.
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Not sure many men are well equipped enough to be able to do the deed while maintaining the 2m social distancing....MattW said:
Genital sex seems to be OK, but not kisses. If you can split the two :-o .FrancisUrquhart said:I do wonder about those hiring hookers at this time....of all those I don't want to come into contact with, hookers are up there with healthcare professionals.
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Pathetic I’m afraid. Which team do you regard in such way, he doesn’t play for Liverpool.BluestBlue said:
Team Fucking Awesome!nichomar said:BluestBlue said:
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20
Yes but which team has he taken one for?BluestBlue said:
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=200 -
No problemChris said:
Provided you keep 2 metres apart.MattW said:
Genital sex seems to be OK, but not kisses.FrancisUrquhart said:I do wonder about those hiring hookers at this time....of all those I don't want to come into contact with, hookers are up there with healthcare professionals.
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Err, the conservative party? The clue is in his handle.nichomar said:
Pathetic I’m afraid. Which team do you regard in such way, he doesn’t play for Liverpool.BluestBlue said:
Team Fucking Awesome!nichomar said:BluestBlue said:
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20
Yes but which team has he taken one for?BluestBlue said:
I would have thought the pathetic word-police babies would have moved on by now. Clearly not.Theuniondivvie said:Can anyone advise which team Boris has taken one for?
https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1248552083571253250?s=20 0 -
Exiting lockdown, absent a vaccine, requires a good segregation policy, lots of testing and social controls. This is the new normal for the time being.RobD said:
Depends how you lift lockdown, I suppose. Keep the oldies and at risk in seclusion as much as possible while the rest get it.FF43 said:
Which implies about 200 000 deaths in the UK to get to herd immunity and the ability to leave lockdown without controls.Chris said:
Half a per cent, more or less, is very much in line with other evidence, including that from China outside Hubei province.Andy_JS said:This could be important:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/
"From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.
The authors explain that the difference in the calculations boils down to how many people are actually infected but haven’t been counted because they have mild or no symptoms."
Of course, if the zany conspiracy theorists are right it's far deadlier than that. But something like 0.5% seems to be the consensus.
Edit. Missed the point you were making. If you can identify and segregate the most vulnerable, you might get to herd immunity with a smaller death rate. This is possible, but the numbers will still be grim I expect.0 -
I don't think Naz Shah is a dogwhistle to the Corbynistas - that would be Zara Sultana or a few others.ydoethur said:
That is definitely a mis-step. Even leaving her past history aside, she has shocking judgement.Gabs3 said:Naz Shah has been appointed shadow minister for "community cohesion". This is the woman who said grooming victims should stay quiet for the sake of community cohesion. It is astonishingly insulting for victims that Starmer did this.
A dog whistle to the far left, perhaps?
AFAIK, Shah is the only one who has convincingly tackled her own casual antisemitism head on; the others mainly seem just to issue "notpologies".1 -
They ought to be at the airports making sure people coming into the country are not at risk of spreading the virus.Floater said:Seriously plod - go look for some real fecking crimes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207393/Sales-Easter-eggs-wine-barbecues-paddling-pools-soar-ahead-four-day-break.html
Video shows a South Yorkshire officer scolding a family for letting their young children play on the front lawn
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There are also medical drawbacks associated with first cousin marriage.FrancisUrquhart said:
They also have higher rates of diabetes and heart disease. There is a genetic disposition for that.isam said:
People have mentioned that BAMEs are disproportionately dying from Covid19. Could it be because they tend to live in cities with bad pollution problems rather than any genetic/racial disposition?isam said:Is pollution the reason some places are more affected by Covid-19 than others? Lombardy, Wuhan and London are bad I think
“Conclusions: A small increase in long-term exposure to PM2.5 leads to a large increase in COVID-19 death rate, with the magnitude of increase 20 times that observed for PM2.5 and all-cause mortality. The study results underscore the importance of continuing to enforce existing air pollution regulations to protect human health both during and after the COVID-19 crisis. The data and code are publicly available.”
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm/home
I am sure things such as more likely to be living in high density housing, in high density urban with higher pollution environments, higher rates of comorbidities, and more likely to be working customer facing jobs.
And finally, religion. Going to organized religious events, they are a key transport vector.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/7957808/700-children-born-with-genetic-disabilities-due-to-cousin-marriages-every-year.html0 -
You need "teledildonics":Floater said:
No problemChris said:
Provided you keep 2 metres apart.MattW said:
Genital sex seems to be OK, but not kisses.FrancisUrquhart said:I do wonder about those hiring hookers at this time....of all those I don't want to come into contact with, hookers are up there with healthcare professionals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics
:-)0 -
Can't be easy being Number 10 spokesperson, but the latest statement is amusing for its implied element of doubt:
"I am told he was waving his thanks towards the nurses and doctors that he saw as he was being moved from the intensive care unit back to the ward.
Hopefully it was clear to the staff that he was waving his gratitude.
... as opposed to "Bye, hope I never see you lot again"?0 -
I think that would be a waste of resources given the tiny numbers coming in these days.Andy_JS said:
They ought to be at the airports making sure people coming into the country are not at risk of spreading the virus.Floater said:Seriously plod - go look for some real fecking crimes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207393/Sales-Easter-eggs-wine-barbecues-paddling-pools-soar-ahead-four-day-break.html
Video shows a South Yorkshire officer scolding a family for letting their young children play on the front lawn
Cambridge Police boasted that officers had visited a local Tesco this morning to snoop on non-essential aisles0 -
To be fair, some working girls were equipped with masks and gloves already. A friend told me.Chris said:
Provided you keep 2 metres apart.MattW said:
Genital sex seems to be OK, but not kisses.FrancisUrquhart said:I do wonder about those hiring hookers at this time....of all those I don't want to come into contact with, hookers are up there with healthcare professionals.
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The grooming scandal is the most outrageous unaddressed scandal for decades. I am a liberal establishment-minded centrist but it is the one thing that made me wonder whether the populists were right. There has been a conspiracy of silence around it, which was only temporarily paused when public anger got too much. Now the debate has moved on again, the response has been brushed under the carpet again. It is across all the major parties. I continue to be disgusted by it and this appointment shows that Keir Starmer, previously a victims advocate, is going along with the whitewashing.MattW said:
I don't think Naz Shah is a dogwhistle to the Corbynistas - that would be Zara Sultana or a few others.ydoethur said:
That is definitely a mis-step. Even leaving her past history aside, she has shocking judgement.Gabs3 said:Naz Shah has been appointed shadow minister for "community cohesion". This is the woman who said grooming victims should stay quiet for the sake of community cohesion. It is astonishingly insulting for victims that Starmer did this.
A dog whistle to the far left, perhaps?
AFAIK, Shah is the only one who has convincingly tackled her own casual antisemitism head on; the others mainly seem just to issue "notpologies".2 -
The words "drop" and "ocean" spring immediately to mind.Andy_JS said:
They ought to be at the airports making sure people coming into the country are not at risk of spreading the virus.Floater said:Seriously plod - go look for some real fecking crimes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207393/Sales-Easter-eggs-wine-barbecues-paddling-pools-soar-ahead-four-day-break.html
Video shows a South Yorkshire officer scolding a family for letting their young children play on the front lawn
Cambridge Police boasted that officers had visited a local Tesco this morning to snoop on non-essential aisles0
