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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,838

    Question: How effective a disinfectant against the current Creeping Crud is direct sunlight? On sunny days have been putting gloves I wear whenever I leave my humble abode out in the sun for several hours. Does that actually do any good? Enquiring minds want to know!

    I would hazard a guess it does more good than not putting them out in the sun, but not nearly as much good as disinfecting them.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,920

    No, I said 16,000 TESTS. The benchmarks have always been against the capacity of number of TESTS they could do, as there are a whole load of reasons why they might need to test some people more than once, which aren't in your control.

    As far as I understand, the new benchmark isn't 100,000 people a day, it is TESTS.
    Well, you're making some kind of mistake, because the number of people tested today - 10,713 - is only slightly up on a week ago - 10,215. Perhaps you are confusing tests and people tested in last week's figures?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    But the local community were already dropping off stuff to his parents.
    Immaterial. Who is to say that they are not the ones who should be criticised for making unnecessary journeys? You don't get to dictate who is the right person to be making deliveries just to suit your own particular political narrative.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Cabinet minister Robert Jenrick visited his parents during Covid-19 lockdown

    Exclusive: Housing secretary made trip despite telling public to stay home except for essential journeys"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/cabinet-minister-robert-jenrick-visited-his-parents-during-covid-19-lockdown
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    "The truth is the Democratic establishment would prefer President Trump over President Sanders. Would you?"

    Hell no I would not! And neither would 99% of what's very-loosely called the Democratic establishment.

    The "Sanders as Socialist Demon" line = "Biden as Demented Vegtable" line = Putinist propaganda (im)pure & simple
  • Immaterial. Who is to say that they are not the ones who should be criticised for making unnecessary journeys? You don't get to dictate who is the right person to be making deliveries just to suit your own particular political narrative.
    He's being judged not by me but by standards he set for the country.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    I hadn't realised before this crisis that China controlled who could or couldn't have country status..
    Do they?

    But who does or does not get recognised certainly gets impacted by global politics more than other criteria.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    I would hazard a guess it does more good than not putting them out in the sun, but not nearly as much good as disinfecting them.
    Touche!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,346
    TGOHF666 said:
    Well, that's a tiny something.

    Let's hope they follow through and it's not all for show (I'm not holding my breath).
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    He's being judged not by me but by standards he set for the country.
    And he is meeting those standards perfectly well thankyou. So if you think otherwise then clearly it is you who is doing the judging.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited April 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    "Cabinet minister Robert Jenrick visited his parents during Covid-19 lockdown

    Exclusive: Housing secretary made trip despite telling public to stay home except for essential journeys"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/cabinet-minister-robert-jenrick-visited-his-parents-during-covid-19-lockdown

    Naughty boy. Go the Ardern route? Unless he can say it was essential?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Immaterial. Who is to say that they are not the ones who should be criticised for making unnecessary journeys? You don't get to dictate who is the right person to be making deliveries just to suit your own particular political narrative.
    And he dropped off medicine supplies too.

    Food and medicine is essential. He didn't go inside their home either. Non-story the Guardian should be ashamed of publishing this.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,346

    Um Nope. Visiting your aged parents to drop off food and not entering the house is almost exactly what the Government wants everyone to do. It means the parents don't have to go out themselves.
    It's not about what the Government wants everyone to do. It's about scoring a hit and taking someone down.

    And it's a game so many people want to play.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited April 2020
    Chris said:

    Well, you're making some kind of mistake, because the number of people tested today - 10,713 - is only slightly up on a week ago - 10,215. Perhaps you are confusing tests and people tested in last week's figures?
    The 8,000 is more like 10 days ago I think. But no I am not making a mistake. Previously, they couldn't test loads of people multiple times as they didn't have capacity.

    Now it seems like they are basically testing everybody twice, and this is crucial, as the test is only about 75-80% accurate, due to issue with collection of the sample.

    Still miles off where we need to be, and the really big concern is these antibody tests that nobody seem to be able to crack. That is where the original Boris quote of 250,000 tests a day came from. It was presumed by now we would all be able to order them off Amazon or pop down to Boots and do the test.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,076
    Omnium said:

    ok. that seems to not be widely accepted, but if you win the argumen then good for you!
    It was just a throw away comment as to how silly the phrase "a fraction of" is.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,692

    Some good news.

    Found out at last week's clap that my next door neighbour (who is an OAP) had been taken into hospital and tested positive for COVID19 and had been on and taken off the ventilators but was still in hospital.

    Happily she is now safe and well at home. Just spoke to her today during this week's clap. She's gotten over the virus and is now through it.

    That is a positive piece of news. And it must have given the ICU team a real boost to see her pull through.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Omnium said:

    What do you think a millionaire pension looks like?

    It's about 30k per year. Senior nurses, tube drivers, headmasters. They all get that.
    Wrong - headteachers will typically be on 40/50k+
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    And he dropped off medicine supplies too.

    Food and medicine is essential. He didn't go inside their home either. Non-story the Guardian should be ashamed of publishing this.
    Yep and so should TSE for joining in. What they are doing is dangerous because the message they are sending, all for political point scoring, is that it is against the rules to visit your parents to drop off food and medicine. Hopefully no one is dumb enough to take them seriously but if they did they are putting people's lives at risk by confusing the message.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,346

    Some good news.

    Found out at last week's clap that my next door neighbour (who is an OAP) had been taken into hospital and tested positive for COVID19 and had been on and taken off the ventilators but was still in hospital.

    Happily she is now safe and well at home. Just spoke to her today during this week's clap. She's gotten over the virus and is now through it.

    Superb news.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235

    And he dropped off medicine supplies too.

    Food and medicine is essential. He didn't go inside their home either. Non-story the Guardian should be ashamed of publishing this.
    It'd be outrageous if he had to go for dropping off food and medication at his parent's house which he didn't even enter. This is the PRECISE reason you can visit your parents. I'd do the same with mine if I lived nearby (I don't live close enough to make it viable). Anyone who wants him to go for doing that should get in the sea.
  • IDS is a patrician lawmaker, and should be above admonishment by plod. Stephen Kinnock is just a (insert your preferred profanities).
    At the risk of repeating the story, I was standing in the Porter's lodge of Queens' College Cambridge, where an irate Kinnock senior was arguing with a college porter, demanding to be let through the main gate to drop Stephen Kinnock's belongings for the start of term (which parents were not allowed to do). He got to the "Don't you know who I am stage?" (LOTO at the time) which met the reply from the late Mr Carter "Yes Sir, but you're still not getting in."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited April 2020

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1248319702025359361?s=20
    Why show he had been caging that bird I wonder? Lockdown, sure, but visually makes it seems like time to go free.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    Question: How effective a disinfectant against the current Creeping Crud is direct sunlight? On sunny days have been putting gloves I wear whenever I leave my humble abode out in the sun for several hours. Does that actually do any good? Enquiring minds want to know!

    I read/heard UV light reduced the time the virus lived on any surface. But I cant point you to the source.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    kle4 said:

    Why show he had been caging that bird I wonder? Lockdown, sure, but visually makes it seems like time to go free.
    Cause he's an evil Tory bastard of course. What sort of lefty are you if you don't know that? :) .
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,920

    The 8,000 is more like 10 days ago I think. But no I am not making a mistake. Previously, they couldn't test loads of people multiple times as they didn't have capacity.
    Hmm. Well, obviously it can't have doubled in the past week, as you claimed.

    But really the number of tests is beside the point anyway. The point I made is that the number of people tested has been stuck at about 10,000 a day for some time, so it makes no sense to read any significance into the fact that new cases per day have stopped rising.

    New cases is based on the number of people who test positive, not the number of positive tests, if people are being tested twice!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,692
    Proof that all those buggers going out for exercise are a menace. From BBC:

    When a cyclist or pedestrian sneezes, coughs or even just exhales, the saliva particles are left behind in the air. Which means the person coming up behind them passes through this cloud of droplets.

    By using methods used to enhance athletes' performances, the teams from Eindhoven University of Technology and Leuven University found the greatest risk of infection existed in the slipstream.

    On the basis of these results, the scientists advise that those on the move should be given more of a social distance. Walkers should get at least four metres, runners 10 metres and cyclists at least 20 metres.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,920
    kle4 said:

    Why show he had been caging that bird I wonder? Lockdown, sure, but visually makes it seems like time to go free.
    The clue is in the date of the cartoon. The cage is the EU, the bird is Britain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited April 2020
    Chris said:

    Hmm. Well, obviously it can't have doubled in the past week, as you claimed.

    But really the number of tests is beside the point anyway. The point I made is that the number of people tested has been stuck at about 10,000 a day for some time, so it makes no sense to read any significance into the fact that new cases per day have stopped rising.

    New cases is based on the number of people who test positive, not the number of positive tests, if people are being tested twice!
    No, it really isn't. It is testing capacity that is important.

    The reason its stuck at 10,000...rightly or wrongly, the policy is hospital admissions with suspected CV first and foremost, and we know admissions haven't increased massively.

    The UK government policy isn't to do community testing with anti-gen testing. TBH, there isn't a huge amount of point, once the virus is so widespread. Now we need to know who is a plague survivor and thus immune and safe to go out.

    South Korea have some crazy testing capacity, 100,000+, but most days they were only doing 25,000 even at the peak.

    The antigen tests are only useful to establish if you actually have it when you get to hospital or you are a doctor / nurse and could infect a load of people. The big increase in capacity they want is a) to be able to regularly do front line staff and b) have that capacity in place should this start to spread again in the future.
  • Proof that all those buggers going out for exercise are a menace. From BBC:

    When a cyclist or pedestrian sneezes, coughs or even just exhales, the saliva particles are left behind in the air. Which means the person coming up behind them passes through this cloud of droplets.

    By using methods used to enhance athletes' performances, the teams from Eindhoven University of Technology and Leuven University found the greatest risk of infection existed in the slipstream.

    On the basis of these results, the scientists advise that those on the move should be given more of a social distance. Walkers should get at least four metres, runners 10 metres and cyclists at least 20 metres.

    So I am doing a key service if I stay on my sofa? Can I tell SWMBO?
  • ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 509
    kle4 said:

    Why show he had been caging that bird I wonder? Lockdown, sure, but visually makes it seems like time to go free.
    The date on the cartoon is 1.2.20, indicating it's a Brexit reference.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kle4 said:

    Why show he had been caging that bird I wonder? Lockdown, sure, but visually makes it seems like time to go free.
    To me the cartoon (especially the sunlight streams) makes it look like he's died and is facing heaven.

    Very glad he's out if ICU.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,838

    Touche!
    Sorry, it wasn't meant to sound snide. I don't think it's a terrible idea or anything.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,920

    No, it really isn't. It is testing capacity that is important.

    The reason its stuck at 10,000...rightly or wrongly, the policy is hospital admissions with suspected CV first and foremost, and we know admissions haven't increased massively.

    South Korea have some crazy testing capacity, 100,000+, but most days they were only doing 25,000 even at the peak.

    The UK government policy isn't to do community testing with anti-gen testing. TBH, there isn't a huge amount of point, once the virus is so widespread. Now we need to know who is a plague survivor and thus immune and safe to go out.

    The antigen tests are only useful to establish if you actually have it when you get to hospital or you are a doctor / nurse and could infect a load of people.
    Have it your own way.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Chris said:

    The clue is in the date of the cartoon. The cage is the EU, the bird is Britain.
    Ah yes, I skipped past the date. Surprised I missed that one.
  • The GE is not for 4 years...you don't think it was for a second tilt at leadership while Boris was out of action, surely?
    Or maybe for once actually delivering prescriptions to isolated pensioners in his constituency

    I do not like IDS at all, or his attitude , but sometimes opponents get things wrong due to political prejeudice
  • isamisam Posts: 41,335

    It's odd that you seem to see things in terms of physical encounters. It's all just randos on the internet, squire.
    Aye, right enough.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,335
    If only Trump had listened to his predecessor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spcj6KUr4aA
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,346
    I've heard so much about someone else becoming the 'host' on Zoom and invasive viruses this week that I'm now watching Aliens.
  • And he dropped off medicine supplies too.

    Food and medicine is essential. He didn't go inside their home either. Non-story the Guardian should be ashamed of publishing this.
    Looks crass by the Guardian.

    He is entitled to deliver medicine to his parents, my son does
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,692

    It's the sun.
    First LOL of the evening!

    Much better than bickering about park benches.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,335
    felix said:

    Wrong - headteachers will typically be on 40/50k+
    Blimey! I know of a headteacher, in an academy, on over twice that
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,854

    I've heard so much about someone else becoming the 'host' on Zoom and invasive viruses this week that I'm now watching Aliens.

    I wonder what pandemic-related terms will enter the lexicon after this.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,920

    The 8,000 is more like 10 days ago I think. But no I am not making a mistake. Previously, they couldn't test loads of people multiple times as they didn't have capacity.
    Actually, the figures from 30 March were 9100 tests on about 7000 individuals:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/u-k-s-johnson-under-pressure-on-tests-as-coronavirus-spreads
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367
    16,000 dead in the US, and look at what Trump has to say.

    The Wall Street Journal always “forgets” to mention that the ratings for the White House Press Briefings are “through the roof” (Monday Night Football, Bachelor Finale, according to @nytimes) & is only way for me to escape the Fake News & get my views across. WSJ is Fake News!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 9, 2020
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 126
    isam said:

    Blimey! I know of a headteacher, in an academy, on over twice that
    They earn a good whack. 40-50k is on the low side. Double unlikely.

    I thought we were talking about their pensions!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited April 2020
    Chris said:

    Actually, the figures from 30 March were 9100 tests on about 7000 individuals:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/u-k-s-johnson-under-pressure-on-tests-as-coronavirus-spreads
    Ok so 9,000 tests to 16,000 tests. But as you see only 7,000 individuals that day, basically most people got just 1 test. Now its most people getting 2.

    I don't know, but I would suggest what was having to happen, due to lack of capacity was somebody admitted, 1 test done, another test done the next day, compare results of both tests.

    Now I presume they are simply doing 2 tests on people in the same day.

    As stated previously, apparently the issue is getting a good collection of the sample, failure to do so can give you a false negative result. And because of this the overall accuracy rate of the test is 75-80%. But very few false positives. So they do two tests and if one comes back positive, you have it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,838

    First LOL of the evening!

    Much better than bickering about park benches.
    Agreed.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,920

    Ok so 9,000 tests to 16,000 tests. But as you see only 7,000 individuals that day, basically most people got just 1 test. Now its most people getting 2.

    I don't know, but I would suggest what was having to happen, due to lack of capacity was somebody admitted, 1 test done, another test done the next day, compare results of both tests.

    Now I presume they are simply doing 2 tests on people.
    I give up.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,682

    I've heard so much about someone else becoming the 'host' on Zoom and invasive viruses this week that I'm now watching Aliens.

    "What do you mean THEY cut the power? How could they cut the power, man? They're viruses!"
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    edited April 2020

    If the media are going to go all Nazi on travel. Why do the media still feel the need to go to places like College Green to do an OB. HoC isn't sitting, no f##ker is there for you to talk to (and you shouldn't be anyway face to face).

    The reporters camped outside St Thomas's who are making a nuisance of themselves for no reason whatsoever are doing my head in...

    Why don't the police tell them to do one?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,346

    I wonder what pandemic-related terms will enter the lexicon after this.
    Game Over, man. Game over!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited April 2020
    Chris said:

    I give up.
    I fail to see your issue.

    The lack of capacity meant they could only do one test per day per patient. This was really bad, due to issues of false negatives. They need to do multiple tests to confirm somebody has it, and the longer they don't know, the more PPE they use up on potentially on somebody who doesn't have it.

    Now they can do two a day on people, which is basically the minimum required to establish things.

    If your issue is why aren't they doing 20,000 people a day, well that isn't the government policy. Their policy is hospital admissions first and foremost. I have said from the start, I thought that wasn't a good idea.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,682

    Game Over, man. Game over!
    "Well, that's great. That's just fuckin' great, man! Now what the fuck are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty shit now, man!"
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited April 2020
    Nigelb said:

    Latest poll shows Biden with a 10% lead over Trump.

    And Biden’s win over Sanders is thanks to the voters not the Democratic establishment.
    Obvious or not, those are the results.
    Much as I'd like to agree with that, it's difficult to. Until Jim Clyburn, with his vast campaign donations from pharmaceutical companies, endorsed Biden - and who was, also, and it has to be his said, his personal friend - the traffic was all one way towards Sanders.

    Sanders then made the critical mistake of persisting with the socialist rather than Rooseveltian label, too, but it's all water under the bridge now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited April 2020
    GIN1138 said:

    The reporters camped outside St Thomas's who are making a nuisance of themselves for no reason whatsoever are doing my head in...

    Why don't the police tell them to do one?
    The Currant Bun had a chopper up for one day filming the roof of the hospital.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    And he would obviously have a better chance than Biden, who has the baggage of the corruption scandal involving his son, is an accused rapist with a long history of being photographed and filmed touching women and young girls inappropriately, and senile to the point of frequently being unable to string a coherent sentence together.

    The truth is the Democratic establishment would prefer President Trump over President Sanders. Would you?
    Sanders failed to beat Clinton (who it turns out is an appalling campaigner) and in a second outing he got less votes than his first failed attempt.

    His amazing election winning prowess doesn't seem to work with Dem voters, why would it work with Swing voters?
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Italy to begin easing the lockdown in a couple of weeks.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited April 2020
    Alistair said:

    Sanders failed to beat Clinton (who it turns out is an appalling campaigner) and in a second outing he got less votes than his first failed attempt.

    His amazing election winning prowess doesn't seem to work with Dem voters, why would it work with Swing voters?
    To be fair, it was working fairly well till Carolina. His capacity to reach beyond that Democratic base wasn't looking as guaranteed as that, though.
  • TGOHF666 said:
    Non story.

    Indeed counter productive.

    I assume it is wrong for my son to travel to the chemists, pick up our medication, and leave it with us while we stay behind our porch door

    Poor journalism and they owe him an apology
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited April 2020
    HYUFD said:

    twitter.com/RichardA/status/1248295991205298176?s=20
    twitter.com/RichardA/status/1248301727473942534?s=20

    Those people are never 2m apart....and new research is showing that that is bare minimum you need to be. Its just bloody daft. Do it by video conference.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    TGOHF666 said:
    Unless the Guardian can proved he has lied, it is not only a non-story they should never have run, it potentially undermines the government message and muddies the water. That risks lives.

    For the record, I thought the OTT response to Kinnock birthday "gathering" was totally unnecessary.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Schools back in Denmark next week.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    edited April 2020
    TGOHF666 said:
    I would just love for a Guardian journo to be snapped doing a bit of non-essential shopping with, oh I don't know, a drug dealer.....
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    isam said:

    Blimey! I know of a headteacher, in an academy, on over twice that
    I mean the pension! Very few heads are on 200k salary.
  • TGOHF666 said:

    Schools back in Denmark next week.

    And the WHO issued caution to Europe on easing too soon

    I really hope this does not result in a second wave in Denmark
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited April 2020
    A rail union boss has sparked outrage after saying he would 'throw a party' if stricken Boris Johnson died of coronavirus. Steve Hedley, the assistant chief of the Rail, Martime and Transport Workers union hit back at friends who criticised him, telling them: 'I hope the whole cabinet of Tory b*st*rds get it too.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8205057/RMT-chief-assistant-says-hopes-Tory-party-gets-coronavirus.html
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,120
    Most of the BA fleet is now on the ground at UK airports.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    IanB2 said:

    Most of the BA fleet is now on the ground at UK airports.

    Most of the world's airline fleet is on the ground - the accumulations are massive.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8204255/There-THREE-separate-types-coronavirus.html

    If this is true, that means America didn't get it from Europe, they got it from China, so must have got there way before the Orange one shut down flights from there.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367

    A rail union boss has sparked outrage after saying he would 'throw a party' if stricken Boris Johnson died of coronavirus. Steve Hedley, the assistant chief of the Rail, Martime and Transport Workers union hit back at friends who criticised him, telling them: 'I hope the whole cabinet of Tory b*st*rds get it too.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8205057/RMT-chief-assistant-says-hopes-Tory-party-gets-coronavirus.html

    I expect that many commuters feel the same way about the RMT.
  • IanB2 said:

    Most of the BA fleet is now on the ground at UK airports.

    The last I heard was they are only flying 15 routes

    Looks like our flight to Vancouver on the 12th May will be cancelled and an automatic refund applied

    They are not flying Heathrow to Vancouver at present
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    A rail union boss has sparked outrage after saying he would 'throw a party' if stricken Boris Johnson died of coronavirus. Steve Hedley, the assistant chief of the Rail, Martime and Transport Workers union hit back at friends who criticised him, telling them: 'I hope the whole cabinet of Tory b*st*rds get it too.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8205057/RMT-chief-assistant-says-hopes-Tory-party-gets-coronavirus.html

    There's a lot of hate out there.
    glw said:

    16,000 dead in the US, and look at what Trump has to say.


    The Wall Street Journal always “forgets” to mention that the ratings for the White House Press Briefings are “through the roof” (Monday Night Football, Bachelor Finale, according to @nytimes) & is only way for me to escape the Fake News & get my views across. WSJ is Fake News!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 9, 2020


    The man would be a remarkable preson to study, were he not President.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,335
    ...

    I wonder what pandemic-related terms will enter the lexicon after this.
    ‘Social distancing’ a cert I’d say


  • isamisam Posts: 41,335
    felix said:

    I mean the pension! Very few heads are on 200k salary.
    Sorry I thought you meant they earnt 40-50k
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    Alistair said:
    There can’t be many heads on £40k: that’s less than a normal teacher who is at the top of the upper pay scale.
  • kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393

    And the WHO issued caution to Europe on easing too soon

    I really hope this does not result in a second wave in Denmark
    Schools are NOT back in Denmark next week - from the 15th daycare (vuggestue and børnehave) And classes for primary school will start to slowly reopen under very stringent regulations - my daughter’s classes won’t start until the 20th - there is massive scepticism here about this - the Facebook group “my kid isn’t a lab bunny for experiments” got 14000 members in a few hours - and the government for the first time are facing criticism from opposition parties for acting too hastily. Denmark has been on a softer lockdown than the UK but for 12 days longer.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052

    I wonder what pandemic-related terms will enter the lexicon after this.
    “Lockdown violation snitcher “
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,682
    isam said:

    ...

    ‘Social distancing’ a cert I’d say


    Lockdown.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367
    kle4 said:

    The man would be a remarkable preson to study, were he not President.

    The degree of narcissism Trump exhibits to complain that journalists aren't mentioning his ratings when they write about the daily briefing about a pandemic is simply extraordinary.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,335
    RIP, but there is no way the person second from left is a ‘fit and healthy’ 33 year old. He is about 3-4 stone overweight


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,526
    edited April 2020
    So I have a question....

    Italy had total and utter meltdown in the North. So far London and West Midlands have been very hard hit, but the NHS is coping. The Italian population is on average much older and we know a lot of oldies got it before Italy even knew it was widespread.

    Here, we had more warning, have got nowhere near Italy style total system crash, but we are basically running at the same level of deaths. Why?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,682
    edited April 2020

    The last I heard was they are only flying 15 routes

    Looks like our flight to Vancouver on the 12th May will be cancelled and an automatic refund applied

    They are not flying Heathrow to Vancouver at present
    Flight from Sofia about to land at Heathrow, according to FlightRadar24.

    Hannover flight not far behind that one.
  • kingbongo said:

    Schools are NOT back in Denmark next week - from the 15th daycare (vuggestue and børnehave) And classes for primary school will start to slowly reopen under very stringent regulations - my daughter’s classes won’t start until the 20th - there is massive scepticism here about this - the Facebook group “my kid isn’t a lab bunny for experiments” got 14000 members in a few hours - and the government for the first time are facing criticism from opposition parties for acting too hastily. Denmark has been on a softer lockdown than the UK but for 12 days longer.
    Good to get a previous post corrected

    Thank you

  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited April 2020
    Terrible story, which emphasises Maitlis's point about not everyone bearing the brunt.

    That doesn't mean it's not an important collective experience which can be an opportunity and launchpad for something else, though - she's missed that distinction.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Google says 4m, and I never argue with Google.
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