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  • I wonder if the Queen already knew more about Boris Johnson's condition on Friday.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,505
    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    He doesn't need one. Anyone can be Prime Minister.
    Not like any of them will be addressing the House of Commons any time soon, eh?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639

    Does ARS mean a ventilator?
    I believe so. Just giving someone oxygen (a la a marathon runner who collapses) is not the same as a ventilator
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,051
    On distraction news, the remake of Final Fantasy VII came out today.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,999
    edited April 2020
    GIN1138 said:



    Theresa May is still a MP.

    But a type 1 diabetes sufferer.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited April 2020
    BBC Website

    James Gallagher
    Health and science correspondent, BBC News

    "Intensive care is where doctors look after the sickest patients – so Boris Johnson's admission to ICU is the clearest indication of how ill the prime minister is.

    We do not know the full details of his condition, but we have been told he is conscious and not being ventilated.

    Not every patient in intensive care is ventilated, but around two-thirds are within 24 hours of admission with Covid-19.

    This is a disease that attacks the lungs and can cause pneumonia and difficulty breathing.

    This leaves the body struggling to get enough oxygen into the blood and to the body’s vital organs.

    There is no proven drug treatment for Covid-19, although there are many experimental candidates.

    But the cornerstone of the prime minister’s care will depend on getting enough oxygen into his body and supporting his other organs while his immune system fights the virus."


  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    edited April 2020

    SKS would be a boringly safe pair of hands par excellence, cometh the hour..
    Why would you make someone who's never held office PM, when you have ministers which have been in office for nearly 10 years?

    Not to mention from an utterly different party.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    That's nearly as stupid as Johnson shaking the hands of Covid-19 patients.

    We need to keep our PMs in isolation.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120

    I wonder if the Queen already knew more about Boris Johnson's condition on Friday.

    No...of course not...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973
    My own prejudices apart, this does sound weirdly/ominously expressed.

    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1247253193974779910?s=20
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,579

    I wonder if the Queen already knew more about Boris Johnson's condition on Friday.

    Highly unlikely. I don't think Boris knew quite how ill he was until the weekend.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,716
    edited April 2020
    I also hope he gets better but we don't have time to suspend politics, the government needs to make a lot of important decisions at very high speed and the opposition needs to hold them to account in real time to make it harder for them to bollocks them up.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973

    Why would you make someone who's never held office PM, when you have ministers which have been in office for nearly 10 years?

    Not to mention from an utterly different party.
    It was a reply to a post about a GNU in case you hadn't noticed, and not indicating SKS should be PM.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432

    I presume Putin is buggering about in the North Sea and Channel areas as we write.

    With Moscow under lockdown he may have other things on his mind. He shook hands with a COVID19 positive doctor himself a few weeks back.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    That's nearly as stupid as Johnson shaking the hands of Covid-19 patients.

    We need to keep our PMs in isolation.
    I understand Varadkar is doing phone assessments
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    At least Boris is in better shape than he was a few years back.
  • Floater said:

    I understand Varadkar is doing phone assessments
    That's better.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,892
    edited April 2020
    tyson said:

    No...of course not...
    That's not at all clear, in fact. The broadcast was first announced and apparently recorded on Friday. If Boris Johnson was doing significantly worse than had been publicly announced by that time, the Queen is likely to have known about that.
  • Mortimer said:

    From what I've seen (admittedly very little) of them all up close, I would have chosen Raab as my deputy too.

    He has empathy and warmth. And a sense of humour

    Hunt has some of those qualities too.

    For cold, hard, political operator. Gove is all you need. But at a time of national crisis, empathy wins.
    Sorry, are you talking about Dominic Raab?

    Empathy?

    Warmth?

    Humour?

    Maybe I know another Dominic Raab
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    If people are looking for a slightly lighter story, the New Zealand Health minister has been caught doing a Calderwood (went to the beach). Is just about hanging on to his job for now...

    Are these people fucking stupid

    Actually, yes they are
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,579

    My own prejudices apart, this does sound weirdly/ominously expressed.

    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1247253193974779910?s=20

    Too much speculation, the man is a f****** robot!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,177

    Really? I'm not seeing that in him but I don't really know him.

    I don't think it comes across publicly.
    I agree, it doesn't come across publicly.

    One on one, he is very warm. Wasn't there an interview with him where he defended one of his staff members to the hilt, as well? An all round good egg.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited April 2020
    F##king hell....BBC still saying well the rules aren't clear enough and did Boris work too hard.

    We have the PM at death's door and they are still acting like cretins.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,579
    edited April 2020

    At least Boris is in better shape than he was a few years back.

    What does that mean?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,177

    F##king hell....BBC still saying well the rules aren't clear enough and did Boris work too hard.

    We have the PM at death's door and they are still acting like cretins.

    Another excuse for the media to whinge. The older I get, the more I think its not the politicians but the journos who are out of touch...
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,928

    My own prejudices apart, this does sound weirdly/ominously expressed.

    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1247253193974779910?s=20

    I think that's just IDS being typically clunky.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,004
    Betfair's exit date markets now disappeared. Voided ?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,167
    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,554

    Really? I'm not seeing that in him but I don't really know him.

    I don't think it comes across publicly.
    Raab comes across as a cold fish. Even Priti Patel has shown more empathy than him (to the Dunn family, for instance).

    Hunt comes across best. Pity he is not in Cabinet.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,928

    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?

    Perhaps a corpse caught it and rose from the dead.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,152
    Mortimer said:

    Another excuse for the media to whinge. The older I get, the more I think its not the politicians but the journos who are out of touch...
    Adam Boulton was complaining that we were told the PM was "fine" at the press conference... Some insider journalists seem to think they ought to be inside the ward with him.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair's exit date markets now disappeared. Voided ?

    Yes possibly.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2020

    Perhaps dialling back on the sanctimony might also help in the calming feelings stakes, enjoyable as it is for you.
    Bore yourself.

    I don’t really care if you think I am being sanctimonious. Grown men should know where the line is drawn and be big enough to realise when they’ve overstepped it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,675

    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?

    :lol:
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?

    It means someone died, they thought they had COVID and reported it as such, tests proved it was not

    But I like your version much more :-)
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Mortimer said:

    I agree, it doesn't come across publicly.

    One on one, he is very warm. Wasn't there an interview with him where he defended one of his staff members to the hilt, as well? An all round good egg.
    Erm, I'm not sure all of his past young female staff would agree.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    If the cabinet start fighting amongst themselves and trying toUndermine each other It will not be forgotten. They have an opportunity to behave like adults let’s make sure they do.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639
    The last five years have been like a badly overwritten screenplay.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    Jesus....I want to smash up my tv.

    "How frustrated must Boris be that he can't led from the front"

    The man is in ICU, he is in grave danger of dying, and you are prattling on about this shit.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,566

    Adam Boulton was complaining that we were told the PM was "fine" at the press conference... Some insider journalists seem to think they ought to be inside the ward with him.
    It really just shows how pointless their questions were at the press conference. It's an evolving medical situation, and they were told as it evolved.

    Hoping Boris improves, must be awful for his family at this time.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,636
    I believe Lloyd George spent two or three weeks in intensive care (or whatever the 1919 equivalent was) after picking up the Spanish flu in Manchester. I attach no particular significance to this.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,047
    I wonder if Boris's viral load was Uber just simply because of the hands he shoke and people he met.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,004

    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.

    They were suspended, then disappeared, now suspended again. I suspect someone at Betfair HQ is in a cold sweat.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,675

    What does that mean?
    Wasn't it reported a few months back that Carrie had put him on a health kick?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited April 2020
    DougSeal said:

    I mean, this time half a decade ago all we were worried about was whether Ed Miliband ate a sandwich slightly funny.

    I wish we could get back to taking the piss out of politicians pretending they go to Greggs for their lunch and Eton educated PMs regularly shop in Morrisons and supporting Aston Ham United.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,675
    DougSeal said:

    I mean, this time half a decade ago all we were worried about was whether Ed Miliband ate a sandwich slightly funny.

    :lol: But he is back. Just been put into Shadow Cabinet. So we can do it all again!!
  • I wonder if Boris's viral load was Uber just simply because of the hands he shoke and people he met.

    Add in the fact that Downing Street was a hotspot for Covid-19.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,167
    edited April 2020

    Perhaps a corpse caught it and rose from the dead.
    You have been watching too many zombie films.... Good man!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,636
    Away from Boris for a minute: I don't know if other countries' equivalent data is available, but this data: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections shows that the USA expects the whole shebang to be almost done and dusted by June, and down to zero deaths a day by July. Total predicted deaths for the USA about 90,000.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.

    What about the US Presidential markets where people are speculating on Biden's health, and to a lesser extent Trump's? Hard cases make bad law.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    stodge said:

    Raab was certainly suggesting the current restrictions are going to stay in place after the original April 15th deadline but gave little clue as to when and how they might be eased.

    Is the Austrian "route map to normality" the way for the UK? I find it hard to see social distancing surviving when more shops are open and it's interesting to see barbershops mentioned specifically for re-opening on May 1st.

    This is perhaps the most difficult public policy decision the Government will have to face - the line between the economic imperative of trying to get things moving again has to be set against the public health imperative of risking a new wave of cases triggering a renewed lock down which could prolong and exacerbate the economic damage.
    Actually barber shops sound logical to me

    Timed slots - maybe 2 barbers and 2 customers at once, socially distanced. Barbers in masks (and possibly customers as well).

    Haircuts providing illusion of normality vs hair growing long and unkempt
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,675
    Raab looking pretty at sea there.

    What was Boris thinking?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,284
    Cookie said:

    Away from Boris for a minute: I don't know if other countries' equivalent data is available, but this data: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections shows that the USA expects the whole shebang to be almost done and dusted by June, and down to zero deaths a day by July. Total predicted deaths for the USA about 90,000.

    Might be interesting to compare the projection in a few weeks.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Cookie said:

    I believe Lloyd George spent two or three weeks in intensive care (or whatever the 1919 equivalent was) after picking up the Spanish flu in Manchester. I attach no particular significance to this.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/david-lloyd-george-spanish-flu-can-tell-us-response-coronavirus/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973
    isam said:

    Bore yourself.

    I don’t really care if you think I am being sanctimonious. Grown men should know where the line is drawn and be big enough to realise when they’ve overstepped it.
    Sermons on a Monday, a tedious new development. Let's hope Tues-Sat aren't encroached upon.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,675
    Cookie said:

    I believe Lloyd George spent two or three weeks in intensive care (or whatever the 1919 equivalent was) after picking up the Spanish flu in Manchester. I attach no particular significance to this.

    Yes Lloyd George was very ill with Spanish Flu.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    I wish we could get back to taking the piss out of politicians pretending they go to Greggs for their lunch and Eton educated PMs regularly shop in Morrisons and supporting Aston Ham United.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656

    We could be approaching the end of Ed’s quiet, uneventful first term now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited April 2020

    Raab looking pretty at sea there.

    What was Boris thinking?

    It has to be Gove. He isn't an election winner (nor would I want him as full time PM), but come on he is smart, experienced and rarely rattled. That is what we need now.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    You have been watching too many zombie films.... Good man!
    Can you watch too many Zombie films?? .....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,674

    I wonder if Boris's viral load was Uber just simply because of the hands he shoke and people he met.

    It's definitely a possibility and Cummings, Whitty and Hancock all got it less badly because they got it from him or from surface contact in No. 10 rather than from meeting lots of people with it.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    It was great to see Whitty back today.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2020

    Sermons on a Monday, a tedious new development. Let's hope Tues-Sat aren't encroached upon.
    If I want to do them , they’ll be done when I like
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    That's nearly as stupid as Johnson shaking the hands of Covid-19 patients.
    He never said he shook hands with Covid patients. He said he shook hands with everyone at the hospital and that there were Covid patients there.

    Of course this was a mistruth, the hopsital Johnson visited did not have any Covid patients admitted at the time.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,254
    edited April 2020
    Cookie said:

    Away from Boris for a minute: I don't know if other countries' equivalent data is available, but this data: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections shows that the USA expects the whole shebang to be almost done and dusted by June, and down to zero deaths a day by July. Total predicted deaths for the USA about 90,000.

    If you go for supression, as the US belatedly is, you likely have to deal with a second wave. A chart that stops at August is quite possibly hiding a tsunami of cases later in the year.

    *edit*

    From the FAQ:

    By the end of the first wave of the epidemic, an estimated 97% of the population of the United States will still be susceptible to the disease and thus measures to avoid a second wave of the pandemic prior to vaccine availability will be necessary. Maintaining some of the social distancing measures could be supplemented or replaced by nation-wide efforts such as mass screening, contact tracing, and selective quarantine.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,305
    edited April 2020
    Vicki Young filling space in front of St Thomas's Hospital.

    24 hour rolling bollocks.
  • I expect this news tonight has frightened a lot of people as it has just got very real

    As Boris says, stay at home
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    You can be on oxygen without being on a ventilator? Sorry, I had assumed they were the same.
    Yes. Ventilator is intubation and sedation. Oxygen is a mask that you can take off.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    I don't think being lonely makes a jot of difference.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Charles said:

    Actually barber shops sound logical to me

    Timed slots - maybe 2 barbers and 2 customers at once, socially distanced. Barbers in masks (and possibly customers as well).

    Haircuts providing illusion of normality vs hair growing long and unkempt
    Depends if they can be run economically like that otherwise they won’t open at all
  • Jonathan said:

    It was great to see Whitty back today.

    The man has calm authority. Exactly what is needed right now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,051
    edited April 2020

    Raab looking pretty at sea there.

    What was Boris thinking?

    The other choices are likely to be the holders of the other Great Offices of State, it's a limited selection. Now, if someone else should have had one of those roles, well, that's another matter.

    Raab will either need to show greater skills than many think he has, which is possible, or listen to the right people.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432
    DougSeal said:

    The last five years have been like a badly overwritten screenplay.

    Time to get out the chess set? Though Bill and Ted won at Battleship as I recall.

  • Alistair said:

    He never said he shook hands with Covid patients. He said he shook hands with everyone at the hospital and that there were Covid patients there.

    Of course this was a mistruth, the hopsital Johnson visited did not have any Covid patients admitted at the time.
    Ah.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,212
    Hmm not sure now is the time to focus on the PMs working practices.

    We should just be hoping he gets better.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,675
    dr_spyn said:

    Vicki Young filling space in front of St Thomas's Hospital.

    24 hour rolling bollocks.

    How in earth does the press pack camping outside St. Thomas's for no reason at all square with all the social distancing and self isolation rules?

    Can't the police move them on?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.

    People on here have within the last weeks repeatedly and calmly discussed the probability of various candidates dying in the presidential election when arguing over best betting poistion. People sagely advised about checking the rules on assassination when Obama was running.

    Chance of death has been factored in by the bettors on these markets. To void them because one of the possible events that people have been betting on is possibly going to happen is a bit rum.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639
    edited April 2020
    Charles said:

    Actually barber shops sound logical to me

    Timed slots - maybe 2 barbers and 2 customers at once, socially distanced. Barbers in masks (and possibly customers as well).

    Haircuts providing illusion of normality vs hair growing long and unkempt
    Opticians. I need new glasses.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    Really poor use of time from a government perspective (he’s still interim Taoiseach I think?) but good politics. And we know which is more important to dear little Leo
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 109
    Alistair said:

    People on here have within the last weeks repeatedly and calmly discussed the probability of various candidates dying in the presidential election when arguing over best betting poistion. People sagely advised about checking the rules on assassination when Obama was running.

    Chance of death has been factored in by the bettors on these markets. To void them because one of the possible events that people have been betting on is possibly going to happen is a bit rum.
    They weren't debating Obama's chances at election AFTER he'd been shot. That's where we are now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited April 2020
    I can't believe this coverage...Sky banging on about when will the lockdown end, as if this is like a decision over introducing some sort of change to tax policy.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831
    Foxy said:

    With Moscow under lockdown he may have other things on his mind. He shook hands with a COVID19 positive doctor himself a few weeks back.
    No, the navy has had a fair few ships on patrol in recent weeks - I have seen them sailing up and down - and my navy contact tells me the russian subs have been particularly active.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Ah.
    Of course literally everyone took that to mean he shook hands with Covid patients and that there was nothing to worry about. There was a lot of heavy implication.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,432
    Cookie said:

    I believe Lloyd George spent two or three weeks in intensive care (or whatever the 1919 equivalent was) after picking up the Spanish flu in Manchester. I attach no particular significance to this.

    In one of my first jobs the ICU meant the bed nearest the nursing station.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Right I’ve poured myself a stiff drink. Needs must
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639
    Foxy said:

    Time to get out the chess set? Though Bill and Ted won at Battleship as I recall.

    Twister? Or am I thinking of the wrong movie
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729
    Charles said:

    Really poor use of time from a government perspective (he’s still interim Taoiseach I think?) but good politics. And we know which is more important to dear little Leo
    He won't be in a week's time, and he may well choose to leave the government for the duration.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,004

    I can't believe this coverage...Sky banging on about when will the lockdown end, as if this is like a decision over introducing some sort of change to tax policy.

    End ? We're barely under lockdown. It's probably got to tighten up further.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited April 2020
    Why is fat head standing on College Green?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,636
    RobD said:

    Might be interesting to compare the projection in a few weeks.
    Yes, it will.
    But Boris aside, it does feel as if Europe is peaking- though I don't know whether the downslope will be the same shape as the upslope. The big question is how many have actually had it (whether with symptoms or not). Current estimates seem to range from about 1% of UK population having had it to over half, all based on plausible assumptions. It will be fascinating when we start to get the tests to confirm this.

    I suspect as the number of cases in Europe starts to wane we will see a third wave of cases (China being the first and Europe and the USA the second) of 'rest of the world' - so worldwide we are a long way from even halfway through yet.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 109

    Hmm not sure now is the time to focus on the PMs working practices.

    We should just be hoping he gets better.
    Serious point. We've heard so much about prevention - rightly so - social distancing, self-isolating, flattening the curve.

    What are people supposed to do when they actually get it. Drinks loads of fluids? Stay in bed?
  • noisywinternoisywinter Posts: 249

    Right I’ve poured myself a stiff drink. Needs must

    On my third large whiskey, started when I heard the news
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831

    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.

    Can we void the deadpool as well? It was an obviously tasteless idea from the beginning.
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