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  • I wonder if the Queen already knew more about Boris Johnson's condition on Friday.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available :( ?!

    Sunak probably has enough on his plate, especially being so new to the job. Gove is probably better at being behind the scenes. Hunt is not a member of the government. So in terms of seniority Raab or Patel would be the obvious choices.
    How quickly could Cameron be given a peerage? Asking for a friend.
    He doesn't need one. Anyone can be Prime Minister.
    Not like any of them will be addressing the House of Commons any time soon, eh?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Terrible news about Boris.

    Does anyone know the survival rates for this once you get to ICU? I'm hoping someone of his age has a good chance of getting through it.

    I've read this weekend that it's 50%.

    And Boris isn't fit. BMI is one of the factors relating to mortality.

    Anyway I'm not putting the mockers on him. I shall head away for the night in a state of deep shock and desperately desperately desperately hoping that he makes it.
    Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre gives figures 4 April: 2249 patients 346 dead 344 recovered 1559 unresolved https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b

    So 50:50 IF the unresolved majority follow the same pattern.
    33/67 for those requiring Advanced Respiratory Support. (Discharged/Dead)
    Does ARS mean a ventilator?
    I believe so. Just giving someone oxygen (a la a marathon runner who collapses) is not the same as a ventilator
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    On distraction news, the remake of Final Fantasy VII came out today.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited April 2020
    GIN1138 said:



    Theresa May is still a MP.

    But a type 1 diabetes sufferer.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited April 2020
    BBC Website

    James Gallagher
    Health and science correspondent, BBC News

    "Intensive care is where doctors look after the sickest patients – so Boris Johnson's admission to ICU is the clearest indication of how ill the prime minister is.

    We do not know the full details of his condition, but we have been told he is conscious and not being ventilated.

    Not every patient in intensive care is ventilated, but around two-thirds are within 24 hours of admission with Covid-19.

    This is a disease that attacks the lungs and can cause pneumonia and difficulty breathing.

    This leaves the body struggling to get enough oxygen into the blood and to the body’s vital organs.

    There is no proven drug treatment for Covid-19, although there are many experimental candidates.

    But the cornerstone of the prime minister’s care will depend on getting enough oxygen into his body and supporting his other organs while his immune system fights the virus."


  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    edited April 2020

    Pulpstar said:

    Does this make a government of national unity more or fewer less likely?

    More I think ?
    SKS would be a boringly safe pair of hands par excellence, cometh the hour..
    Why would you make someone who's never held office PM, when you have ministers which have been in office for nearly 10 years?

    Not to mention from an utterly different party.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    That's nearly as stupid as Johnson shaking the hands of Covid-19 patients.

    We need to keep our PMs in isolation.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    I wonder if the Queen already knew more about Boris Johnson's condition on Friday.

    No...of course not...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,000
    My own prejudices apart, this does sound weirdly/ominously expressed.

    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1247253193974779910?s=20
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386

    I wonder if the Queen already knew more about Boris Johnson's condition on Friday.

    Highly unlikely. I don't think Boris knew quite how ill he was until the weekend.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited April 2020
    I also hope he gets better but we don't have time to suspend politics, the government needs to make a lot of important decisions at very high speed and the opposition needs to hold them to account in real time to make it harder for them to bollocks them up.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,000

    Pulpstar said:

    Does this make a government of national unity more or fewer less likely?

    More I think ?
    SKS would be a boringly safe pair of hands par excellence, cometh the hour..
    Why would you make someone who's never held office PM, when you have ministers which have been in office for nearly 10 years?

    Not to mention from an utterly different party.
    It was a reply to a post about a GNU in case you hadn't noticed, and not indicating SKS should be PM.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    I presume Putin is buggering about in the North Sea and Channel areas as we write.

    With Moscow under lockdown he may have other things on his mind. He shook hands with a COVID19 positive doctor himself a few weeks back.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    That's nearly as stupid as Johnson shaking the hands of Covid-19 patients.

    We need to keep our PMs in isolation.
    I understand Varadkar is doing phone assessments
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    At least Boris is in better shape than he was a few years back.
  • Floater said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    That's nearly as stupid as Johnson shaking the hands of Covid-19 patients.

    We need to keep our PMs in isolation.
    I understand Varadkar is doing phone assessments
    That's better.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited April 2020
    tyson said:

    I wonder if the Queen already knew more about Boris Johnson's condition on Friday.

    No...of course not...
    That's not at all clear, in fact. The broadcast was first announced and apparently recorded on Friday. If Boris Johnson was doing significantly worse than had been publicly announced by that time, the Queen is likely to have known about that.
  • Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available :( ?!

    I know.
    From what I've seen (admittedly very little) of them all up close, I would have chosen Raab as my deputy too.

    He has empathy and warmth. And a sense of humour

    Hunt has some of those qualities too.

    For cold, hard, political operator. Gove is all you need. But at a time of national crisis, empathy wins.
    Sorry, are you talking about Dominic Raab?

    Empathy?

    Warmth?

    Humour?

    Maybe I know another Dominic Raab
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    If people are looking for a slightly lighter story, the New Zealand Health minister has been caught doing a Calderwood (went to the beach). Is just about hanging on to his job for now...

    Are these people fucking stupid

    Actually, yes they are
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386

    My own prejudices apart, this does sound weirdly/ominously expressed.

    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1247253193974779910?s=20

    Too much speculation, the man is a f****** robot!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available :( ?!

    I know.
    From what I've seen (admittedly very little) of them all up close, I would have chosen Raab as my deputy too.

    He has empathy and warmth. And a sense of humour

    Hunt has some of those qualities too.

    For cold, hard, political operator. Gove is all you need. But at a time of national crisis, empathy wins.
    Really? I'm not seeing that in him but I don't really know him.

    I don't think it comes across publicly.
    I agree, it doesn't come across publicly.

    One on one, he is very warm. Wasn't there an interview with him where he defended one of his staff members to the hilt, as well? An all round good egg.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    F##king hell....BBC still saying well the rules aren't clear enough and did Boris work too hard.

    We have the PM at death's door and they are still acting like cretins.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    edited April 2020

    At least Boris is in better shape than he was a few years back.

    What does that mean?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127

    F##king hell....BBC still saying well the rules aren't clear enough and did Boris work too hard.

    We have the PM at death's door and they are still acting like cretins.

    Another excuse for the media to whinge. The older I get, the more I think its not the politicians but the journos who are out of touch...
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680

    My own prejudices apart, this does sound weirdly/ominously expressed.

    https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/1247253193974779910?s=20

    I think that's just IDS being typically clunky.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Betfair's exit date markets now disappeared. Voided ?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,570
    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available :( ?!

    I know.
    From what I've seen (admittedly very little) of them all up close, I would have chosen Raab as my deputy too.

    He has empathy and warmth. And a sense of humour

    Hunt has some of those qualities too.

    For cold, hard, political operator. Gove is all you need. But at a time of national crisis, empathy wins.
    Really? I'm not seeing that in him but I don't really know him.

    I don't think it comes across publicly.
    Raab comes across as a cold fish. Even Priti Patel has shown more empathy than him (to the Dunn family, for instance).

    Hunt comes across best. Pity he is not in Cabinet.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680

    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?

    Perhaps a corpse caught it and rose from the dead.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,709
    Mortimer said:

    F##king hell....BBC still saying well the rules aren't clear enough and did Boris work too hard.

    We have the PM at death's door and they are still acting like cretins.

    Another excuse for the media to whinge. The older I get, the more I think its not the politicians but the journos who are out of touch...
    Adam Boulton was complaining that we were told the PM was "fine" at the press conference... Some insider journalists seem to think they ought to be inside the ward with him.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair's exit date markets now disappeared. Voided ?

    Yes possibly.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2020

    isam said:

    Jonathan said:

    Be kind to each other. What people may or may not have said earlier has no bearing on the current situation. A man is critically ill. We must hope for the best.

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Let's hope he recovers.

    In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around

    1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day?
    2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?

    Care to take the opportunity to apologise for calling him ‘Bozo’ all day today?
    I think you are being unfair. With the benefit of what we now know (which isn't very much) curbing the cut and thrust of partisanship is appropriate. No one really expected or wanted the current situation to prevail.
    Boris was taken to hospital last night after having the virus for 10 days. It was way past the time to stop trying to mock him, ridiculous as that attempt was. Tonight, on this thread, he posted comments that have provoked angry replies, not from me. I think it is the right thing to say ‘I overstepped the mark’ when you’ve done so, and it would calm feelings.
    Perhaps dialling back on the sanctimony might also help in the calming feelings stakes, enjoyable as it is for you.
    Bore yourself.

    I don’t really care if you think I am being sanctimonious. Grown men should know where the line is drawn and be big enough to realise when they’ve overstepped it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767

    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?

    :lol:
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?

    It means someone died, they thought they had COVID and reported it as such, tests proved it was not

    But I like your version much more :-)
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available :( ?!

    I know.
    From what I've seen (admittedly very little) of them all up close, I would have chosen Raab as my deputy too.

    He has empathy and warmth. And a sense of humour

    Hunt has some of those qualities too.

    For cold, hard, political operator. Gove is all you need. But at a time of national crisis, empathy wins.
    Really? I'm not seeing that in him but I don't really know him.

    I don't think it comes across publicly.
    I agree, it doesn't come across publicly.

    One on one, he is very warm. Wasn't there an interview with him where he defended one of his staff members to the hilt, as well? An all round good egg.
    Erm, I'm not sure all of his past young female staff would agree.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    If the cabinet start fighting amongst themselves and trying toUndermine each other It will not be forgotten. They have an opportunity to behave like adults let’s make sure they do.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    The last five years have been like a badly overwritten screenplay.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Jesus....I want to smash up my tv.

    "How frustrated must Boris be that he can't led from the front"

    The man is in ICU, he is in grave danger of dying, and you are prattling on about this shit.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298

    Mortimer said:

    F##king hell....BBC still saying well the rules aren't clear enough and did Boris work too hard.

    We have the PM at death's door and they are still acting like cretins.

    Another excuse for the media to whinge. The older I get, the more I think its not the politicians but the journos who are out of touch...
    Adam Boulton was complaining that we were told the PM was "fine" at the press conference... Some insider journalists seem to think they ought to be inside the ward with him.
    It really just shows how pointless their questions were at the press conference. It's an evolving medical situation, and they were told as it evolved.

    Hoping Boris improves, must be awful for his family at this time.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,833
    I believe Lloyd George spent two or three weeks in intensive care (or whatever the 1919 equivalent was) after picking up the Spanish flu in Manchester. I attach no particular significance to this.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    I wonder if Boris's viral load was Uber just simply because of the hands he shoke and people he met.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205

    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.

    They were suspended, then disappeared, now suspended again. I suspect someone at Betfair HQ is in a cold sweat.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291

    At least Boris is in better shape than he was a few years back.

    What does that mean?
    Wasn't it reported a few months back that Carrie had put him on a health kick?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    DougSeal said:

    I mean, this time half a decade ago all we were worried about was whether Ed Miliband ate a sandwich slightly funny.

    I wish we could get back to taking the piss out of politicians pretending they go to Greggs for their lunch and Eton educated PMs regularly shop in Morrisons and supporting Aston Ham United.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    DougSeal said:

    I mean, this time half a decade ago all we were worried about was whether Ed Miliband ate a sandwich slightly funny.

    :lol: But he is back. Just been put into Shadow Cabinet. So we can do it all again!!
  • I wonder if Boris's viral load was Uber just simply because of the hands he shoke and people he met.

    Add in the fact that Downing Street was a hotspot for Covid-19.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,570
    edited April 2020

    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?

    Perhaps a corpse caught it and rose from the dead.
    You have been watching too many zombie films.... Good man!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,833
    Away from Boris for a minute: I don't know if other countries' equivalent data is available, but this data: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections shows that the USA expects the whole shebang to be almost done and dusted by June, and down to zero deaths a day by July. Total predicted deaths for the USA about 90,000.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,932

    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.

    What about the US Presidential markets where people are speculating on Biden's health, and to a lesser extent Trump's? Hard cases make bad law.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    stodge said:

    Suspect those London parks will be very empty tomorrow.

    Raab was certainly suggesting the current restrictions are going to stay in place after the original April 15th deadline but gave little clue as to when and how they might be eased.

    Is the Austrian "route map to normality" the way for the UK? I find it hard to see social distancing surviving when more shops are open and it's interesting to see barbershops mentioned specifically for re-opening on May 1st.

    This is perhaps the most difficult public policy decision the Government will have to face - the line between the economic imperative of trying to get things moving again has to be set against the public health imperative of risking a new wave of cases triggering a renewed lock down which could prolong and exacerbate the economic damage.
    Actually barber shops sound logical to me

    Timed slots - maybe 2 barbers and 2 customers at once, socially distanced. Barbers in masks (and possibly customers as well).

    Haircuts providing illusion of normality vs hair growing long and unkempt
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    Raab looking pretty at sea there.

    What was Boris thinking?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    Cookie said:

    Away from Boris for a minute: I don't know if other countries' equivalent data is available, but this data: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections shows that the USA expects the whole shebang to be almost done and dusted by June, and down to zero deaths a day by July. Total predicted deaths for the USA about 90,000.

    Might be interesting to compare the projection in a few weeks.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Cookie said:

    I believe Lloyd George spent two or three weeks in intensive care (or whatever the 1919 equivalent was) after picking up the Spanish flu in Manchester. I attach no particular significance to this.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/david-lloyd-george-spanish-flu-can-tell-us-response-coronavirus/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,000
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Jonathan said:

    Be kind to each other. What people may or may not have said earlier has no bearing on the current situation. A man is critically ill. We must hope for the best.

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Let's hope he recovers.

    In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around

    1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day?
    2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?

    Care to take the opportunity to apologise for calling him ‘Bozo’ all day today?
    I think you are being unfair. With the benefit of what we now know (which isn't very much) curbing the cut and thrust of partisanship is appropriate. No one really expected or wanted the current situation to prevail.
    Boris was taken to hospital last night after having the virus for 10 days. It was way past the time to stop trying to mock him, ridiculous as that attempt was. Tonight, on this thread, he posted comments that have provoked angry replies, not from me. I think it is the right thing to say ‘I overstepped the mark’ when you’ve done so, and it would calm feelings.
    Perhaps dialling back on the sanctimony might also help in the calming feelings stakes, enjoyable as it is for you.
    Bore yourself.

    I don’t really care if you think I am being sanctimonious. Grown men should know where the line is drawn and be big enough to realise when they’ve overstepped it.
    Sermons on a Monday, a tedious new development. Let's hope Tues-Sat aren't encroached upon.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291
    Cookie said:

    I believe Lloyd George spent two or three weeks in intensive care (or whatever the 1919 equivalent was) after picking up the Spanish flu in Manchester. I attach no particular significance to this.

    Yes Lloyd George was very ill with Spanish Flu.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675

    DougSeal said:

    I mean, this time half a decade ago all we were worried about was whether Ed Miliband ate a sandwich slightly funny.

    I wish we could get back to taking the piss out of politicians pretending they go to Greggs for their lunch and Eton educated PMs regularly shop in Morrisons and supporting Aston Ham United.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656

    We could be approaching the end of Ed’s quiet, uneventful first term now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020

    Raab looking pretty at sea there.

    What was Boris thinking?

    It has to be Gove. He isn't an election winner (nor would I want him as full time PM), but come on he is smart, experienced and rarely rattled. That is what we need now.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    For a bit of light relief in otherwise pretty desperate times

    If you go and look at the Worldometer Coronovirus country update page at the moment you will see that under New Deaths, Finland's count today is '-1'

    Ignoring the question of how that can be, shouldn't that have been Israel next Sunday?

    Perhaps a corpse caught it and rose from the dead.
    You have been watching too many zombie films.... Good man!
    Can you watch too many Zombie films?? .....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    I wonder if Boris's viral load was Uber just simply because of the hands he shoke and people he met.

    It's definitely a possibility and Cummings, Whitty and Hancock all got it less badly because they got it from him or from surface contact in No. 10 rather than from meeting lots of people with it.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    It was great to see Whitty back today.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2020

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Jonathan said:

    Be kind to each other. What people may or may not have said earlier has no bearing on the current situation. A man is critically ill. We must hope for the best.

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Let's hope he recovers.

    In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around

    1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day?
    2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?

    Care to take the opportunity to apologise for calling him ‘Bozo’ all day today?
    I think you are being unfair. With the benefit of what we now know (which isn't very much) curbing the cut and thrust of partisanship is appropriate. No one really expected or wanted the current situation to prevail.
    Boris was taken to hospital last night after having the virus for 10 days. It was way past the time to stop trying to mock him, ridiculous as that attempt was. Tonight, on this thread, he posted comments that have provoked angry replies, not from me. I think it is the right thing to say ‘I overstepped the mark’ when you’ve done so, and it would calm feelings.
    Perhaps dialling back on the sanctimony might also help in the calming feelings stakes, enjoyable as it is for you.
    Bore yourself.

    I don’t really care if you think I am being sanctimonious. Grown men should know where the line is drawn and be big enough to realise when they’ve overstepped it.
    Sermons on a Monday, a tedious new development. Let's hope Tues-Sat aren't encroached upon.
    If I want to do them , they’ll be done when I like
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    That's nearly as stupid as Johnson shaking the hands of Covid-19 patients.
    He never said he shook hands with Covid patients. He said he shook hands with everyone at the hospital and that there were Covid patients there.

    Of course this was a mistruth, the hopsital Johnson visited did not have any Covid patients admitted at the time.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,908
    edited April 2020
    Cookie said:

    Away from Boris for a minute: I don't know if other countries' equivalent data is available, but this data: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections shows that the USA expects the whole shebang to be almost done and dusted by June, and down to zero deaths a day by July. Total predicted deaths for the USA about 90,000.

    If you go for supression, as the US belatedly is, you likely have to deal with a second wave. A chart that stops at August is quite possibly hiding a tsunami of cases later in the year.

    *edit*

    From the FAQ:

    By the end of the first wave of the epidemic, an estimated 97% of the population of the United States will still be susceptible to the disease and thus measures to avoid a second wave of the pandemic prior to vaccine availability will be necessary. Maintaining some of the social distancing measures could be supplemented or replaced by nation-wide efforts such as mass screening, contact tracing, and selective quarantine.
  • I expect this news tonight has frightened a lot of people as it has just got very real

    As Boris says, stay at home
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited April 2020
    Vicki Young filling space in front of St Thomas's Hospital.

    24 hour rolling bollocks.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    Floater said:

    RobD said:

    Floater said:

    Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London (UCL), said:

    “It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.

    "One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."

    "It seems clear". Is this actually based on anything, or just an assumption?
    The fact we are told he is having difficulty breathing and "not on a ventilator yet"?
    You can be on oxygen without being on a ventilator? Sorry, I had assumed they were the same.
    Yes. Ventilator is intubation and sedation. Oxygen is a mask that you can take off.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    I don't think being lonely makes a jot of difference.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Charles said:

    stodge said:

    Suspect those London parks will be very empty tomorrow.

    Raab was certainly suggesting the current restrictions are going to stay in place after the original April 15th deadline but gave little clue as to when and how they might be eased.

    Is the Austrian "route map to normality" the way for the UK? I find it hard to see social distancing surviving when more shops are open and it's interesting to see barbershops mentioned specifically for re-opening on May 1st.

    This is perhaps the most difficult public policy decision the Government will have to face - the line between the economic imperative of trying to get things moving again has to be set against the public health imperative of risking a new wave of cases triggering a renewed lock down which could prolong and exacerbate the economic damage.
    Actually barber shops sound logical to me

    Timed slots - maybe 2 barbers and 2 customers at once, socially distanced. Barbers in masks (and possibly customers as well).

    Haircuts providing illusion of normality vs hair growing long and unkempt
    Depends if they can be run economically like that otherwise they won’t open at all
  • Jonathan said:

    It was great to see Whitty back today.

    The man has calm authority. Exactly what is needed right now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    edited April 2020

    Raab looking pretty at sea there.

    What was Boris thinking?

    The other choices are likely to be the holders of the other Great Offices of State, it's a limited selection. Now, if someone else should have had one of those roles, well, that's another matter.

    Raab will either need to show greater skills than many think he has, which is possible, or listen to the right people.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    DougSeal said:

    The last five years have been like a badly overwritten screenplay.

    Time to get out the chess set? Though Bill and Ted won at Battleship as I recall.

  • Alistair said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    That's nearly as stupid as Johnson shaking the hands of Covid-19 patients.
    He never said he shook hands with Covid patients. He said he shook hands with everyone at the hospital and that there were Covid patients there.

    Of course this was a mistruth, the hopsital Johnson visited did not have any Covid patients admitted at the time.
    Ah.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,814
    Hmm not sure now is the time to focus on the PMs working practices.

    We should just be hoping he gets better.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291
    dr_spyn said:

    Vicki Young filling space in front of St Thomas's Hospital.

    24 hour rolling bollocks.

    How in earth does the press pack camping outside St. Thomas's for no reason at all square with all the social distancing and self isolation rules?

    Can't the police move them on?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.

    People on here have within the last weeks repeatedly and calmly discussed the probability of various candidates dying in the presidential election when arguing over best betting poistion. People sagely advised about checking the rules on assassination when Obama was running.

    Chance of death has been factored in by the bettors on these markets. To void them because one of the possible events that people have been betting on is possibly going to happen is a bit rum.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited April 2020
    Charles said:

    stodge said:

    Suspect those London parks will be very empty tomorrow.

    Raab was certainly suggesting the current restrictions are going to stay in place after the original April 15th deadline but gave little clue as to when and how they might be eased.

    Is the Austrian "route map to normality" the way for the UK? I find it hard to see social distancing surviving when more shops are open and it's interesting to see barbershops mentioned specifically for re-opening on May 1st.

    This is perhaps the most difficult public policy decision the Government will have to face - the line between the economic imperative of trying to get things moving again has to be set against the public health imperative of risking a new wave of cases triggering a renewed lock down which could prolong and exacerbate the economic damage.
    Actually barber shops sound logical to me

    Timed slots - maybe 2 barbers and 2 customers at once, socially distanced. Barbers in masks (and possibly customers as well).

    Haircuts providing illusion of normality vs hair growing long and unkempt
    Opticians. I need new glasses.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    Really poor use of time from a government perspective (he’s still interim Taoiseach I think?) but good politics. And we know which is more important to dear little Leo
  • Alistair said:

    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.

    People on here have within the last weeks repeatedly and calmly discussed the probability of various candidates dying in the presidential election when arguing over best betting poistion. People sagely advised about checking the rules on assassination when Obama was running.

    Chance of death has been factored in by the bettors on these markets. To void them because one of the possible events that people have been betting on is possibly going to happen is a bit rum.
    They weren't debating Obama's chances at election AFTER he'd been shot. That's where we are now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    I can't believe this coverage...Sky banging on about when will the lockdown end, as if this is like a decision over introducing some sort of change to tax policy.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Foxy said:

    I presume Putin is buggering about in the North Sea and Channel areas as we write.

    With Moscow under lockdown he may have other things on his mind. He shook hands with a COVID19 positive doctor himself a few weeks back.
    No, the navy has had a fair few ships on patrol in recent weeks - I have seen them sailing up and down - and my navy contact tells me the russian subs have been particularly active.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    That's nearly as stupid as Johnson shaking the hands of Covid-19 patients.
    He never said he shook hands with Covid patients. He said he shook hands with everyone at the hospital and that there were Covid patients there.

    Of course this was a mistruth, the hopsital Johnson visited did not have any Covid patients admitted at the time.
    Ah.
    Of course literally everyone took that to mean he shook hands with Covid patients and that there was nothing to worry about. There was a lot of heavy implication.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Cookie said:

    I believe Lloyd George spent two or three weeks in intensive care (or whatever the 1919 equivalent was) after picking up the Spanish flu in Manchester. I attach no particular significance to this.

    In one of my first jobs the ICU meant the bed nearest the nursing station.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Right I’ve poured myself a stiff drink. Needs must
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    The last five years have been like a badly overwritten screenplay.

    Time to get out the chess set? Though Bill and Ted won at Battleship as I recall.

    Twister? Or am I thinking of the wrong movie
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Charles said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    I see Varadkar is go back on the wards part-time to help with Ireland's effort.

    Really poor use of time from a government perspective (he’s still interim Taoiseach I think?) but good politics. And we know which is more important to dear little Leo
    He won't be in a week's time, and he may well choose to leave the government for the duration.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205

    I can't believe this coverage...Sky banging on about when will the lockdown end, as if this is like a decision over introducing some sort of change to tax policy.

    End ? We're barely under lockdown. It's probably got to tighten up further.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited April 2020
    Why is fat head standing on College Green?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,833
    RobD said:

    Cookie said:

    Away from Boris for a minute: I don't know if other countries' equivalent data is available, but this data: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections shows that the USA expects the whole shebang to be almost done and dusted by June, and down to zero deaths a day by July. Total predicted deaths for the USA about 90,000.

    Might be interesting to compare the projection in a few weeks.
    Yes, it will.
    But Boris aside, it does feel as if Europe is peaking- though I don't know whether the downslope will be the same shape as the upslope. The big question is how many have actually had it (whether with symptoms or not). Current estimates seem to range from about 1% of UK population having had it to over half, all based on plausible assumptions. It will be fascinating when we start to get the tests to confirm this.

    I suspect as the number of cases in Europe starts to wane we will see a third wave of cases (China being the first and Europe and the USA the second) of 'rest of the world' - so worldwide we are a long way from even halfway through yet.
  • Hmm not sure now is the time to focus on the PMs working practices.

    We should just be hoping he gets better.
    Serious point. We've heard so much about prevention - rightly so - social distancing, self-isolating, flattening the curve.

    What are people supposed to do when they actually get it. Drinks loads of fluids? Stay in bed?
  • noisywinternoisywinter Posts: 249

    Right I’ve poured myself a stiff drink. Needs must

    On my third large whiskey, started when I heard the news
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    If it hasn't already happened, the Next PM and Exit Date markets should be voided. Now.

    Can we void the deadpool as well? It was an obviously tasteless idea from the beginning.
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