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Boris Johnson was taken to ICU at St Thomas’s Hospital about 7pm. He remains conscious, ICU is a precaution in case he needs ventilation.

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    First
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    Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 17
    Whoa
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    edited April 2020
    Oops!

    Poor Boris. Good luck to him against the virus...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,284
    Boris Johnson was moved into intensive care at 7pm this evening after his condition worsened over the course of this afternoon

    The PM asked Dominic Raab to deputise for him before he moved

    He remains conscious but has been removed to intensive care in case he needs a ventilator
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    For the sake of his family, his partner, their unborn child and his friends that he beats this.

    My thoughts are certainly with him - and them.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Good luck Boris!
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932
    edited April 2020
    SouthamObserver said:

    Horrible news about the PM. I may be misremembering here (and very much hope that I am), but intensive care survival rates have been reported to be relatively low, haven't they?

    I suspect Boris may have been moved their slightly earlier than other patients would have been.

    From my time visiting ICU I wouldn't want to be await while laying there.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,445
    Thoughts with Boris and his family.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Would they really have moved him to an ICU unit, at this time, just on the off chance?

    The only reason might be I suppose that they can’t just wheel him across, there would need to be checks and then a security cordon put up.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Andy_JS said:

    Thoughts with Boris and his family.

    Seconded
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    With hindsight it’s astonishing he wasn’t being more closely monitored from the start (assuming he wasn’t). People in certain positions really should have access to higher quality care.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    edited April 2020
    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,284
    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
    Raab's a Cambridge gentleman, I'm not worried.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,822
    Evening all :)

    First, I wish Boris well and hope he makes a full recovery. He's not my taste politically but that matters not a jot.

    As an aside, my brother was first diagnosed with coronavirus three weeks ago. His symptoms have been mild but even so he has periodic (every 2-3 days) spikes in temperature necessitating paracetamol. This makes me think the virus hangs around much longer than perhaps first realised and throws another variable into the question of easing the current restrictions.

    The news Austria and Germany (and others) are looking at a post-Easter easing of restrictions is all well and good but there must be a risk of a renewed spike in cases as has been seen in Singapore.

    The balance between the economic imperative and the public health reality is going to be very difficult to walk for any Government.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,937
    Get well soon Boris and Raab now officially acting Deputy PM.
    C4 news says Boris conscious and not on a ventilator in ICU
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    alex_ said:

    With hindsight it’s astonishing he wasn’t being more closely monitored from the start (assuming he wasn’t). People in certain positions really should have access to higher quality care.

    Unfortunately I don’t think it makes much difference.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
    Raab's a Cambridge gentleman, I'm not worried.
    By that logic, you should want Richard Burgon in charge.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,284
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
    Raab's a Cambridge gentleman, I'm not worried.
    By that logic, you should want Richard Burgon in charge.
    Maybe in charge of the Footlights.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    HYUFD said:

    Get well soon Boris and Raab now officially acting Deputy PM.
    C4 news says Boris conscious and not on a ventilator in ICU

    Surely he is now ‘deputy, officially acting PM?’
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
    Raab's a Cambridge gentleman, I'm not worried.
    Oxymoronic.
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    Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 4,814
    Good luck, Boris. Really hope they're being overcautious rather than anything else.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Get well soon, Prime Minister.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,514
    HYUFD said:

    Get well soon Boris and Raab now officially acting Deputy PM.
    C4 news says Boris conscious and not on a ventilator in ICU

    He only transferred at 1900, it is a bit early to be fully ventilated just a little over an hour later, unless he had done something precipitate like respiratory arrest.

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Jonathan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
    Raab's a Cambridge gentleman, I'm not worried.
    Oxymoronic.
    A Cambridge gentleman would surely say ‘Oxonmoronic?’
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited April 2020
    Raab was a strange choice. Gove was the obvious deputy.
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,176
    It's awful on a personal level for his family. It's also awful for us as a nation - he is/was in charge albeit not of an especially positive situation, and are we risk ending up with Raab in charge of a failing plan as the machinery of government is stricken with grief.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,896
    edited April 2020
    I genuinely feel quite sick upon hearing this news. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Boris.

    And I hope Carole “in hiding” Cadwalladr doesn’t sleep a wink tonight
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    edited April 2020
    eadric said:


    Fuck me. I’ve been clairvoyant about this disease from the start. But that was horrible.

    Jesus.

    Indeed you have.

    As I recall, some weeks ago you speculated on Boris' prospects should he contract the virus. I, like most on here, dismissed your proposition that Boris could be in grave danger as the meanderings of a madman.

    You are now owed some respect.

    Tough it out Boris!
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    This is awful.

    I feel desperately sad for him and his family. Party politics don't come into this.
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    RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,155
    Horrible. Hope he pulls through.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    alex_ said:

    With hindsight it’s astonishing he wasn’t being more closely monitored from the start (assuming he wasn’t). People in certain positions really should have access to higher quality care.

    There's no reason to believe that his current plight has anything to do with inadequate medical care (as opposed to failure to comply with the guidelines to avoid infection).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    Fuck.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,822
    HYUFD said:

    Get well soon Boris and Raab now officially acting Deputy PM.
    C4 news says Boris conscious and not on a ventilator in ICU

    I do think going forward we need a much clearer line of responsibility. I well remember back in 2010 the uproar in Conservative circles at the notion Nick Clegg might be running the show when Cameron went on holiday.

    There have been times when the post of Deputy PM has been left vacant and that's fine as long as everyone knows who will be in charge if the PM is incapacitated for whatever reason even if for a few hours for routine surgery for example.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,201
    Hopefully Boris will be OK
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606
    Hope Boris gets better quickly. Hopefully being officially out of action leaves him with the time and space to fight it off rather than worry about the situation.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    isam said:

    I genuinely feel quite sick upon hearing this news. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Boris.

    And I hope Carole “in hiding” Cadwalladr doesn’t sleep a wink tonight

    Do vampires need sleep?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Get well soon Boris and Raab now officially acting Deputy PM.
    C4 news says Boris conscious and not on a ventilator in ICU

    I do think going forward we need a much clearer line of responsibility. I well remember back in 2010 the uproar in Conservative circles at the notion Nick Clegg might be running the show when Cameron went on holiday.

    There have been times when the post of Deputy PM has been left vacant and that's fine as long as everyone knows who will be in charge if the PM is incapacitated for whatever reason even if for a few hours for routine surgery for example.
    I mean the line is very clear, isn't it? It's just reluctance to hand it over until absolutely necessary.
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    TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
    Nothing is happening policy wise - all just running the shop.

    Boris will rise like a phoenix - an allegory for the Uk rising up and lifting the lockdown.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    Fuck
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Get well soon Boris and Raab now officially acting Deputy PM.
    C4 news says Boris conscious and not on a ventilator in ICU

    I do think going forward we need a much clearer line of responsibility. I well remember back in 2010 the uproar in Conservative circles at the notion Nick Clegg might be running the show when Cameron went on holiday.

    There have been times when the post of Deputy PM has been left vacant and that's fine as long as everyone knows who will be in charge if the PM is incapacitated for whatever reason even if for a few hours for routine surgery for example.
    I mean the line is very clear, isn't it? It's just reluctance to hand it over until absolutely necessary.
    The point is that formally transferring power in this country is quite complicated. It’s not like the US where a couple of emails will do. Here it involves meetings and ceremonies.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,152
    Terrible news. Awful. We don't need this now.

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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,514
    edited April 2020
    isam said:

    I genuinely feel quite sick upon hearing this news. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Boris.

    And I hope Carole “in hiding” Cadwalladr doesn’t sleep a wink tonight

    Where are the "it's just like the flu" mob now?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,348
    Fingers crossed for him. Along with all in the same place.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    RochdalePioneers said:

    It's awful on a personal level for his family. It's also awful for us as a nation - he is/was in charge albeit not of an especially positive situation, and are we risk ending up with Raab in charge of a failing plan as the machinery of government is stricken with grief.

    To be fair Rochdale, Raab running the show is the least of our concerns.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    TGOHF666 said:


    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
    Nothing is happening policy wise - all just running the shop.
    Not altogether reassured, I’m afraid.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Without wishing to be too obvious moving to ICU is really fucking serious. When they say things like conscious but difficulty breathing they don't mean a bit raspy, they means things like Lung capacity down to two thirds of a single lung and dropping.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Hope he gets better soon.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    Isn't he basically 50:50 now according to @Foxy matrix based off of his BMI, age, gender ?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,914
    It's one of those horrible moments when everything just stops, isn't it? All we can do is hope and pray he gets through it. Best wishes to him and his family.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Get well soon Boris and Raab now officially acting Deputy PM.
    C4 news says Boris conscious and not on a ventilator in ICU

    I do think going forward we need a much clearer line of responsibility. I well remember back in 2010 the uproar in Conservative circles at the notion Nick Clegg might be running the show when Cameron went on holiday.

    There have been times when the post of Deputy PM has been left vacant and that's fine as long as everyone knows who will be in charge if the PM is incapacitated for whatever reason even if for a few hours for routine surgery for example.
    I mean the line is very clear, isn't it? It's just reluctance to hand it over until absolutely necessary.
    The point is that formally transferring power in this country is quite complicated. It’s not like the US where a couple of emails will do. Here it involves meetings and ceremonies.
    From the reports, it sounded as though he deputised Raab via a phone call. If a new PM was required that'd be a discussion between the Cabinet and the Palace.
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
    Raab's a Cambridge gentleman, I'm not worried.
    You mean he was not able to find Oxford on a map?

    I thought it was just the continent he had geographic trouble with...
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    eadric said:

    My wife just doesn’t understand why I am sickened by this news

    She’s 24

    I don't even like the guy and I am feeling quite sick. This transcends politics.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Mexicanpete said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    It's awful on a personal level for his family. It's also awful for us as a nation - he is/was in charge albeit not of an especially positive situation, and are we risk ending up with Raab in charge of a failing plan as the machinery of government is stricken with grief.

    To be fair Rochdale, Raab running the show is the least of our concerns.
    It’s a considerable one for me.
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    James_MJames_M Posts: 48
    Thoughts and prayers with Boris and all his loved ones at this difficult, difficult time. Get well soon Prime Minister.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Pulpstar said:

    Isn't he basically 50:50 now according to @Foxy matrix based off of his BMI, age, gender ?

    If he's ventilated.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    How awful. Poor Boris.
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    TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    I genuinely feel quite sick upon hearing this news. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Boris.

    And I hope Carole “in hiding” Cadwalladr doesn’t sleep a wink tonight

    Where are the "it's just like the flu" mob now?
    I don’t think many believe the lies from the Chinese government anymore.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Get well soon Boris and Raab now officially acting Deputy PM.
    C4 news says Boris conscious and not on a ventilator in ICU

    I do think going forward we need a much clearer line of responsibility. I well remember back in 2010 the uproar in Conservative circles at the notion Nick Clegg might be running the show when Cameron went on holiday.

    There have been times when the post of Deputy PM has been left vacant and that's fine as long as everyone knows who will be in charge if the PM is incapacitated for whatever reason even if for a few hours for routine surgery for example.
    I mean the line is very clear, isn't it? It's just reluctance to hand it over until absolutely necessary.
    The point is that formally transferring power in this country is quite complicated. It’s not like the US where a couple of emails will do. Here it involves meetings and ceremonies.
    From the reports, it sounded as though he deputised Raab via a phone call. If a new PM was required that'd be a discussion between the Cabinet and the Palace.
    That’s because I think at the moment all he’s been asked to do is chair cabinet meetings. Which isn’t a problem as any Secretary of State can do that.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,266
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Poor Carrie Symonds, what must she be going through?

    My very best wishes go to him and his family.

    Get well soon Boris.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,049
    Pulpstar said:

    Isn't he basically 50:50 now according to @Foxy matrix based off of his BMI, age, gender ?

    No...it's much better than 50/50..St Thomas' is the best place for him in the UK...it really is....

    I knew how he was today...obviously couldn't say here....

    But...for coming out on Thursday and clapping so vigerously for the NHS when he was so unwell...Boris you have to pull through comrade. Your country needs you.....
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,284
    Beibheirli_C said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    eadric said:

    At the very least Boris will now be out of action for the duration

    Leaving us to the tender mercies of Dominic Raab.
    Raab's a Cambridge gentleman, I'm not worried.
    You mean he was not able to find Oxford on a map?

    I thought it was just the continent he had geographic trouble with...
    He did his undergraduate stuff at Oxford, but realised the place was a dump and decided to do his masters at the finest university in the world.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    I genuinely feel quite sick upon hearing this news. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Boris.

    And I hope Carole “in hiding” Cadwalladr doesn’t sleep a wink tonight

    Where are the "it's just like the flu" mob now?
    They have lost all their influenze.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,435
    Oh how awful, best wishes for him.
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    BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Best of luck, Boris!

    Got a sick knot in my stomach right now.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    ydoethur said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    It's awful on a personal level for his family. It's also awful for us as a nation - he is/was in charge albeit not of an especially positive situation, and are we risk ending up with Raab in charge of a failing plan as the machinery of government is stricken with grief.

    To be fair Rochdale, Raab running the show is the least of our concerns.
    It’s a considerable one for me.
    I think you know to what I was alluding.
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    AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,589
    Bloody hell. This is grim. Best wishes to him and his family.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Mean while in Egypt with a mere 78 deaths from Covid-19
    https://wwww.dailynewssegypt.com/2020/04/06/egyptian-tycoon-mansour-el-gammal-dies-of-acute-pneumonia/

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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    SouthamObserver said:

    It's one of those horrible moments when everything just stops, isn't it? All we can do is hope and pray he gets through it. Best wishes to him and his family.

    Absolutely. I hope he has the quickest route back to health. For normal people that would mean being months away from returning to work. We need to get used to Raab.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932
    At least this should stop people asking what the fuss is all about.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited April 2020
    If he does pull through this he'll have the kind of ratings Maggie received after the Brighton bombings.

    I really really hope he does. We're all rooting for you Boris.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Well, this news will help keep people's resolve up re: the lockdown.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,896
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    I genuinely feel quite sick upon hearing this news. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Boris.

    And I hope Carole “in hiding” Cadwalladr doesn’t sleep a wink tonight

    Where are the "it's just like the flu" mob now?
    I don’t know, where are they?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,043
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    I genuinely feel quite sick upon hearing this news. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Boris.

    And I hope Carole “in hiding” Cadwalladr doesn’t sleep a wink tonight

    Where are the "it's just like the flu" mob now?
    They have lost all their influenze.
    Not quite the right time I am afraid Sir! Although under normal circumstances it would have been rather a good effort.
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749
    They are going to dig a big hole in Central Park and mass bury the bodies in it?

    History books being written.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,514
    Pulpstar said:

    Isn't he basically 50:50 now according to @Foxy matrix based off of his BMI, age, gender ?

    If he gets ventilated, it may be circulatory and renal support he needs as well as oxygen. Anti-inflammatories and control of clotting too.

    Though there is some evidence that early ventilation face down (prone) improves outcomes, if becoming significantly hypoxic.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,266
    Mexicanpete said:

    eadric said:

    My wife just doesn’t understand why I am sickened by this news

    She’s 24

    I don't even like the guy and I am feeling quite sick. This transcends politics.
    I can't sleep at the moment.
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    FossFoss Posts: 694
    KBO Boris.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    Pulpstar said:

    Isn't he basically 50:50 now according to @Foxy matrix based off of his BMI, age, gender ?

    Hopefully they are being ultra cautious and the general stats don’t apply to him.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Get well soon Boris and Raab now officially acting Deputy PM.
    C4 news says Boris conscious and not on a ventilator in ICU

    I do think going forward we need a much clearer line of responsibility. I well remember back in 2010 the uproar in Conservative circles at the notion Nick Clegg might be running the show when Cameron went on holiday.

    There have been times when the post of Deputy PM has been left vacant and that's fine as long as everyone knows who will be in charge if the PM is incapacitated for whatever reason even if for a few hours for routine surgery for example.
    I mean the line is very clear, isn't it? It's just reluctance to hand it over until absolutely necessary.
    The point is that formally transferring power in this country is quite complicated. It’s not like the US where a couple of emails will do. Here it involves meetings and ceremonies.
    From the reports, it sounded as though he deputised Raab via a phone call. If a new PM was required that'd be a discussion between the Cabinet and the Palace.
    That’s because I think at the moment all he’s been asked to do is chair cabinet meetings. Which isn’t a problem as any Secretary of State can do that.
    From what Rigby said he's taken over responsibility for day-to-day running of government. Might not have full powers of PM, but it's very close.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    2020 is both universally, and personally for me turning into one of those years.
    Lost my cat, agreed to divorce my wife, and now this all around.

    I wasn't going to have a drink tonight, but I might need one, if only to drink to Boris's recovery.
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    blairfblairf Posts: 98
    what awful news :-(
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,849
    Let's hope he recovers.

    In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around

    1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day?
    2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Mexicanpete said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    It's awful on a personal level for his family. It's also awful for us as a nation - he is/was in charge albeit not of an especially positive situation, and are we risk ending up with Raab in charge of a failing plan as the machinery of government is stricken with grief.

    To be fair Rochdale, Raab running the show is the least of our concerns.
    It’s a considerable one for me.
    I think you know to what I was alluding.
    Actually, I’m not sure I do. Yes, this is very tragic for the PM, as it is for the many thousands of others in this situation. And for his family, and their families. And I hope he gets through it, as I would like all of them to come through it.

    But the thought of the Cabinet being left to their own devices under Raab, of all people, is much scarier. They have not shown judgement or restraint in this crisis, and it’s easy to imagine them fighting like ferrets in a sack over position and policy just at the moment we need them to pull together. Much though I dislike and distrust Johnson, his prestige was a bulwark again that. There was no doubt he was in charge and unassailable.

    Some of the governmental implications - for all of us - are horrible. For a start, it makes the risk of full lockdown and/or social disorder much higher.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    This is a fucking scary thing....fucking scary.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Isn't he basically 50:50 now according to @Foxy matrix based off of his BMI, age, gender ?

    Hopefully they are being ultra cautious and the general stats don’t apply to him.
    If they were being cautious he'd be in High Dependency. ICU is not for caution, ICU is for shit having hit the fan.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Isn't he basically 50:50 now according to @Foxy matrix based off of his BMI, age, gender ?

    Hopefully they are being ultra cautious and the general stats don’t apply to him.
    I hope not too bit it's clearly not good.
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    BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Scott_xP said:

    Let's hope he recovers.

    In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around

    1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day?
    2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?

    Bore off.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,306
    Even oxygen can have a remarkable effect sometimes. Wishing Boris an astonishingly quick turnaround and an improved situation tomorrow.
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    EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    ydoethur said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    It's awful on a personal level for his family. It's also awful for us as a nation - he is/was in charge albeit not of an especially positive situation, and are we risk ending up with Raab in charge of a failing plan as the machinery of government is stricken with grief.

    To be fair Rochdale, Raab running the show is the least of our concerns.
    It’s a considerable one for me.
    You would prefer Gove?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    ydoethur said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    It's awful on a personal level for his family. It's also awful for us as a nation - he is/was in charge albeit not of an especially positive situation, and are we risk ending up with Raab in charge of a failing plan as the machinery of government is stricken with grief.

    To be fair Rochdale, Raab running the show is the least of our concerns.
    It’s a considerable one for me.
    I think you know to what I was alluding.
    Actually, I’m not sure I do. Yes, this is very tragic for the PM, as it is for the many thousands of others in this situation. And for his family, and their families. And I hope he gets through it, as I would like all of them to come through it.

    But the thought of the Cabinet being left to their own devices under Raab, of all people, is much scarier. They have not shown judgement or restraint in this crisis, and it’s easy to imagine them fighting like ferrets in a sack over position and policy just at the moment we need them to pull together. Much though I dislike and distrust Johnson, his prestige was a bulwark again that. There was no doubt he was in charge and unassailable.

    Some of the governmental implications - for all of us - are horrible. For a start, it makes the risk of full lockdown and/or social disorder much higher.
    You just have to hope cometh the hour, cometh the man for Raab.
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    NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    It becomes more chilling doesn't it? Really hoping he pulls through.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,288
    Sick feelings here in the pits of our stomachs. Rooting for him, but fearing the worst.
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    guybrushguybrush Posts: 236
    TGOHF666 said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    I genuinely feel quite sick upon hearing this news. My thoughts and prayers are with you, Boris.

    And I hope Carole “in hiding” Cadwalladr doesn’t sleep a wink tonight

    Where are the "it's just like the flu" mob now?
    I don’t think many believe the lies from the Chinese government anymore.
    I don't recall anything like that being uttered by the Chinese Gov. I'm not their biggest fan, but any chance you can pipe down about them for a bit? Cheers.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,266
    His exit date now barely above evens for 2020.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Who’s finger is on the button?
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    ScarpiaScarpia Posts: 28
    Never been a Bogsy fan, but I am afraid this could be bad news for the body politik. The country, finding itself in the worst crisis for 80 years, does not need the over-inflated egos of second rate Tory ministers pushing and shoving to get to the top of the queue in the succession stakes while their party leader is ill.
    If it ever did come to it (and I hope it doesn't) then Jeremy Hunt should go in immediately as the MP's second choice.
    It will also be a terrible thing for his girlfriend with her unborn child at this time
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,247
    Scott_xP said:

    Let's hope he recovers.

    In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around

    1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day?
    2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?

    Go away
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Endillion said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    It's awful on a personal level for his family. It's also awful for us as a nation - he is/was in charge albeit not of an especially positive situation, and are we risk ending up with Raab in charge of a failing plan as the machinery of government is stricken with grief.

    To be fair Rochdale, Raab running the show is the least of our concerns.
    It’s a considerable one for me.
    You would prefer Gove?
    The truth is, they’re all pretty rubbish. Wallace, maybe.
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