In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around
1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day? 2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?
1. Who gives a fuck 2. The Queen is head of the armed forces, advised by the PM (in collaboration with Cabinet) and the SoS for Defence
The Queen is not head of the armed forces, except in a ceremonial capacity.
Isn't the oath to the monarch?
Who cares? She has zero power over the armed forces regardless of daft oaths and pomp.
You think? If instructed to do one thing by PM Corbyn and a different thing by HMQ personally, which way do you think the Brigade of Guards would break?
Having spent a lot of time visiting ICU last autumn, you don’t automatically get a single room. But if you require barrier nursing you will be. You will normally be nursed 1:1. Occasionally they can do things other wards technically cannot, so a short stay of a few hours is possible. But if you’re there it’s a big deal, even if it can creep up on you.
With any luck Boris will make a recovery and back on his feet by the time we hit the top of the peak, hopefully in the next week or so. Fingers crossed.
This is extremely unlikely. I fear. Once you go into ICU it’s a long road back. But I hope I m wrong.
Yes Eadric was mentioning this earlier today. There are reports that suggest serious lung damage may be permanent.
Someone else was asking me if Boris is a smoker? Anyone know?
In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around
1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day? 2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?
1. Who gives a fuck 2. The Queen is head of the armed forces, advised by the PM (in collaboration with Cabinet) and the SoS for Defence
The Queen is not head of the armed forces, except in a ceremonial capacity.
Isn't the oath to the monarch?
Who cares? She has zero power over the armed forces regardless of daft oaths and pomp.
Oaths and pomp are not daft, why do you think even non-royal armed forces have plenty of pomp? Or make oaths to a document or the nation not just their commanders?
As for who cares, that's hardly the question, since the inital quetion was about command of the armed forces, and that they are not commanded by the PM personally, but through royal prerogative which does not need to be exercised by the PM personally, makes it quite relevant that the Queen is head of the armed forces whether or not anyone cares, since it renders the initial 'confusion' over the question irrelevant.
Having spent a lot of time visiting ICU last autumn, you don’t automatically get a single room. But if you require barrier nursing you will be. You will normally be nursed 1:1. Occasionally they can do things other wards technically cannot, so a short stay of a few hours is possible. But if you’re there it’s a big deal, even if it can creep up on you.
FFS. Doctor on Sky News saying that if you need ICU...you need ICU.
Yes, you are not moved to ICU as a precaution. There are other levels for that.
Particularly when ICU beds are in high demand.
My understanding was the only real different between ICU and HDU (in normal times) is the staffing ratios?
ICU is normally 1 nurse per patient, HDU 1 Nurse per 2-3 patients, but also ICU has the capability for long term ventilation. In HDU that can only be done briefly, then transfer to ICU.
Ok. My dad was on long term ventilation in HDU but I guess that it may have been upgraded in recent week.
Does anyone know the survival rates for this once you get to ICU? I'm hoping someone of his age has a good chance of getting through it.
I've read this weekend that it's 50%.
And Boris isn't fit. BMI is one of the factors relating to mortality.
Anyway I'm not putting the mockers on him. I shall head away for the night in a state of deep shock and desperately desperately desperately hoping that he makes it.
Be kind to each other. What people may or may not have said earlier has no bearing on the current situation. A man is critically ill. We must hope for the best.
In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around
1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day? 2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?
Care to take the opportunity to apologise for calling him ‘Bozo’ all day today?
I think you are being unfair. With the benefit of what we now know (which isn't very much) curbing the cut and thrust of partisanship is appropriate. No one really expected or wanted the current situation to prevail.
Boris was taken to hospital last night after having the virus for 10 days. It was way past the time to stop trying to mock him, ridiculous as that attempt was. Tonight, on this thread, he posted comments that have provoked angry replies, not from me. I think it is the right thing to say ‘I overstepped the mark’ when you’ve done so, and it would calm feelings.
Perhaps dialling back on the sanctimony might also help in the calming feelings stakes, enjoyable as it is for you.
In the meantime, there are legitimate questions around
1. the Number 10 press handling of this. Did they lie to us all day? 2. the constitutional position occupied by Raab. He can chair a meeting, but can he command the armed forces, for example?
1. Who gives a fuck 2. The Queen is head of the armed forces, advised by the PM (in collaboration with Cabinet) and the SoS for Defence
and the Chief of the Defence Staff.
I don’t believe so. The Chief of General Staff advises the Secretary of State (and the PM). They make the decisions on the recommendation to the Queen
The First Lord of the Treasury tradionally nally takes the role of Prime Minister but I believe any Secretary of State can take on the role. Raab is in charge full stop.
With any luck Boris will make a recovery and back on his feet by the time we hit the top of the peak, hopefully in the next week or so. Fingers crossed.
This is extremely unlikely. I fear. Once you go into ICU it’s a long road back. But I hope I m wrong.
Yes Eadric was mentioning this earlier today. There are reports that suggest serious lung damage may be permanent.
Someone else was asking me if Boris is a smoker? Anyone know?
I don’t believe so. I think he occasionally smoked cigars to be sociable, but nothing more than that. Certainly not a heavy smoker like Cameron.
Anyway, I am off to bed. Good night, and I hope we wake to more reassuring bulletins tomorrow.
The state of Raab just then didn’t fill me with confidence.
A little breathless, in the non-ill sense. The impression of being grabbed, hastily briefed and sent out to calm the nation. Best of luck to the man, no one wants to find out their mettle in these situations.
Suspect those London parks will be very empty tomorrow.
Raab was certainly suggesting the current restrictions are going to stay in place after the original April 15th deadline but gave little clue as to when and how they might be eased.
Is the Austrian "route map to normality" the way for the UK? I find it hard to see social distancing surviving when more shops are open and it's interesting to see barbershops mentioned specifically for re-opening on May 1st.
This is perhaps the most difficult public policy decision the Government will have to face - the line between the economic imperative of trying to get things moving again has to be set against the public health imperative of risking a new wave of cases triggering a renewed lock down which could prolong and exacerbate the economic damage.
FFS. Doctor on Sky News saying that if you need ICU...you need ICU.
Yes, you are not moved to ICU as a precaution. There are other levels for that.
Particularly when ICU beds are in high demand.
Also, for security reasons etc, you would imagine it might be more than one bed you're using up/
In normal times respiratory ICU admission gets their own individual room.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the times are not entirely normal.
But yes, I would expect him to be in a separate room if only for security reasons. And of course, it would have to be checked out by security first before condoning off.
I am hoping that that is the reason for this otherwise slightly weird phrase, ‘a precaution in case he needs a ventilator.’
Anyone wanting to sneak into a covid infested ICU to spy on the PM would be reckless indeed.
With any luck Boris will make a recovery and back on his feet by the time we hit the top of the peak, hopefully in the next week or so. Fingers crossed.
I don't want to sound paranoid but can we really trust what we are being told about his health...
If he was "Joe Bloggs" instead of Boris Johnson, they would tell you nothing about his condition. Being PM means that the country has an interest in the health of its Leader, but I expect that reports will be presented in the most positive way consistent with the facts.
The state of Raab just then didn’t fill me with confidence.
A little breathless, in the non-ill sense. The impression of being grabbed, hastily briefed and sent out to calm the nation. Best of luck to the man, no one wants to find out their mettle in these situations.
He has the air of John Moore to me. I would be a lot happier if Hague was being lined up.
FFS. Doctor on Sky News saying that if you need ICU...you need ICU.
Yes, you are not moved to ICU as a precaution. There are other levels for that.
Particularly when ICU beds are in high demand.
Also, for security reasons etc, you would imagine it might be more than one bed you're using up/
In normal times respiratory ICU admission gets their own individual room.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the times are not entirely normal.
But yes, I would expect him to be in a separate room if only for security reasons. And of course, it would have to be checked out by security first before condoning off.
I am hoping that that is the reason for this otherwise slightly weird phrase, ‘a precaution in case he needs a ventilator.’
Anyone wanting to sneak into a covid infested ICU to spy on the PM would be reckless indeed.
On the other hand, anyone wishing to assassinate him...
That's unkind. I would expect an english statement will probably follow, but for all his fluency it may be as simple as the exact sentiment he wished to convey is best done in his native language first, rather than risk some subtle translation issue.
Does anyone know the survival rates for this once you get to ICU? I'm hoping someone of his age has a good chance of getting through it.
I've read this weekend that it's 50%.
And Boris isn't fit. BMI is one of the factors relating to mortality.
Anyway I'm not putting the mockers on him. I shall head away for the night in a state of deep shock and desperately desperately desperately hoping that he makes it.
Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available ?!
Sunak probably has enough on his plate, especially being so new to the job. Gove is probably better at being behind the scenes. Hunt is not a member of the government. So in terms of seniority Raab or Patel would be the obvious choices.
Does this make a government of national unity more or fewer less likely?
What does Labour gain by joining it and what jobs would they be given.
I really don't see the point in doing so, an opposition allows questions to be raised in public rather than private. For this you want (some) questions asked in public, in an actual war you want everything done in private.
It's awful on a personal level for his family. It's also awful for us as a nation - he is/was in charge albeit not of an especially positive situation, and are we risk ending up with Raab in charge of a failing plan as the machinery of government is stricken with grief.
To be fair Rochdale, Raab running the show is the least of our concerns.
It’s a considerable one for me.
I think you know to what I was alluding.
Actually, I’m not sure I do. Yes, this is very tragic for the PM, as it is for the many thousands of others in this situation. And for his family, and their families. And I hope he gets through it, as I would like all of them to come through it.
But the thought of the Cabinet being left to their own devices under Raab, of all people, is much scarier. They have not shown judgement or restraint in this crisis, and it’s easy to imagine them fighting like ferrets in a sack over position and policy just at the moment we need them to pull together. Much though I dislike and distrust Johnson, his prestige was a bulwark again that. There was no doubt he was in charge and unassailable.
Some of the governmental implications - for all of us - are horrible. For a start, it makes the risk of full lockdown and/or social disorder much higher.
Yes this is exactly what I was eluding to. I understand Johnson. Even understand Cummings. But Raab? Thrust into the top seat with jealous men surrounding him? Hmmm.
FFS. Doctor on Sky News saying that if you need ICU...you need ICU.
Yes, you are not moved to ICU as a precaution. There are other levels for that.
Particularly when ICU beds are in high demand.
Also, for security reasons etc, you would imagine it might be more than one bed you're using up/
In normal times respiratory ICU admission gets their own individual room.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the times are not entirely normal.
But yes, I would expect him to be in a separate room if only for security reasons. And of course, it would have to be checked out by security first before condoning off.
I am hoping that that is the reason for this otherwise slightly weird phrase, ‘a precaution in case he needs a ventilator.’
Anyone wanting to sneak into a covid infested ICU to spy on the PM would be reckless indeed.
On the other hand, anyone wishing to assassinate him...
In response to that statement. 'Yay. I've just assassinated a Head of State...cough, cough...oh sh....'
Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available ?!
Sunak probably has enough on his plate, especially being so new to the job. Gove is probably better at being behind the scenes. Hunt is not a member of the government. So in terms of seniority Raab or Patel would be the obvious choices.
Does this make a government of national unity more or fewer less likely?
I'll tell you something weird: ed Miliband's involvement would inspire more confidence in me then anyone currently in the cabinet. And I'd give my eye teeth for Cameron and Osborne.
Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London (UCL), said:
“It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.
"One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."
Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available ?!
Sunak probably has enough on his plate, especially being so new to the job. Gove is probably better at being behind the scenes. Hunt is not a member of the government. So in terms of seniority Raab or Patel would be the obvious choices.
How quickly could Cameron be given a peerage? Asking for a friend.
Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available ?!
Sunak probably has enough on his plate, especially being so new to the job. Gove is probably better at being behind the scenes. Hunt is not a member of the government. So in terms of seniority Raab or Patel would be the obvious choices.
If it is Patel then I want to leave the country, and I don't care about the lockdown.
Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London (UCL), said:
“It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.
"One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."
"It seems clear". Is this actually based on anything, or just an assumption?
That's unkind. I would expect an english statement will probably follow, but for all his fluency it may be as simple as the exact sentiment he wished to convey is best done in his native language first, rather than risk some subtle translation issue.
For the people who don't speak French -
All my support for Boris Johnson, his family and the British people at this difficult time. I wish him to overcome this ordeal quickly.
Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London (UCL), said:
“It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.
"One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."
"It seems clear". Is this actually based on anything, or just an assumption?
The fact we are told he is having difficulty breathing and "not on a ventilator yet"?
Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available ?!
Sunak probably has enough on his plate, especially being so new to the job. Gove is probably better at being behind the scenes. Hunt is not a member of the government. So in terms of seniority Raab or Patel would be the obvious choices.
How quickly could Cameron be given a peerage? Asking for a friend.
Depends on how quickly the Queen can issue letters patent?
Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London (UCL), said:
“It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.
"One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."
"It seems clear". Is this actually based on anything, or just an assumption?
The fact we are told he is having difficulty breathing and "not on a ventilator yet"?
You can be on oxygen without being on a ventilator? Sorry, I had assumed they were the same.
Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available ?!
Sunak probably has enough on his plate, especially being so new to the job. Gove is probably better at being behind the scenes. Hunt is not a member of the government. So in terms of seniority Raab or Patel would be the obvious choices.
How quickly could Cameron be given a peerage? Asking for a friend.
He doesn't need one. Anyone can be Prime Minister.
Does anyone know the survival rates for this once you get to ICU? I'm hoping someone of his age has a good chance of getting through it.
I've read this weekend that it's 50%.
And Boris isn't fit. BMI is one of the factors relating to mortality.
Anyway I'm not putting the mockers on him. I shall head away for the night in a state of deep shock and desperately desperately desperately hoping that he makes it.
Does anyone know the survival rates for this once you get to ICU? I'm hoping someone of his age has a good chance of getting through it.
I've read this weekend that it's 50%.
And Boris isn't fit. BMI is one of the factors relating to mortality.
Anyway I'm not putting the mockers on him. I shall head away for the night in a state of deep shock and desperately desperately desperately hoping that he makes it.
Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London (UCL), said:
“It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.
"One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."
"It seems clear". Is this actually based on anything, or just an assumption?
The fact we are told he is having difficulty breathing and "not on a ventilator yet"?
You can be on oxygen without being on a ventilator? Sorry, I had assumed they were the same.
Oxygen is just when you get given a facemask attached to a tank - you see them at sports matches. A ventilator is a mechanical apparatus that takes over breathing for you.
FFS. Doctor on Sky News saying that if you need ICU...you need ICU.
Yes, you are not moved to ICU as a precaution. There are other levels for that.
Particularly when ICU beds are in high demand.
My understanding was the only real different between ICU and HDU (in normal times) is the staffing ratios?
ICU is normally 1 nurse per patient, HDU 1 Nurse per 2-3 patients, but also ICU has the capability for long term ventilation. In HDU that can only be done briefly, then transfer to ICU.
Ok. My dad was on long term ventilation in HDU but I guess that it may have been upgraded in recent week.
Raab on the BBC looks shit scared
I wish Boris and his family all the best and that he gets through this however long it takes. His own health must be his priority now.
Without trying to be political I am genuinely nervous that someone as inexperienced as Raab is now in charge. I truly think these are scary times and the country really needs someone more reassuring at the helm.
Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London (UCL), said:
“It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.
"One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."
"It seems clear". Is this actually based on anything, or just an assumption?
The fact we are told he is having difficulty breathing and "not on a ventilator yet"?
You can be on oxygen without being on a ventilator? Sorry, I had assumed they were the same.
Not the same, no. My partner after his accident started on a ventilator and then moved after a few days to oxygen. He couldn’t talk on a ventilator and communicated when out of his coma by squeezing my hand. He could speak (a tiny bit) when on oxygen.
Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available ?!
Sunak probably has enough on his plate, especially being so new to the job. Gove is probably better at being behind the scenes. Hunt is not a member of the government. So in terms of seniority Raab or Patel would be the obvious choices.
How quickly could Cameron be given a peerage? Asking for a friend.
He doesn't need one. Anyone can be Prime Minister.
If people are looking for a slightly lighter story, the New Zealand Health minister has been caught doing a Calderwood (went to the beach). Is just about hanging on to his job for now...
Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London (UCL), said:
“It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.
"One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."
"It seems clear". Is this actually based on anything, or just an assumption?
The fact we are told he is having difficulty breathing and "not on a ventilator yet"?
You can be on oxygen without being on a ventilator? Sorry, I had assumed they were the same.
Oxygen is just when you get given a facemask attached to a tank - you see them at sports matches. A ventilator is a mechanical apparatus that takes over breathing for you.
That's unkind. I would expect an english statement will probably follow, but for all his fluency it may be as simple as the exact sentiment he wished to convey is best done in his native language first, rather than risk some subtle translation issue.
For the people who don't speak French -
All my support for Boris Johnson, his family and the British people at this difficult time. I wish him to overcome this ordeal quickly.
Macron
It's a pefectly laudable sentiment and well expressed but ominous that a Head of State should feel the need to make such a public statement.
Why do we have to have Raab when Gove, Sunak or Hunt are available ?!
Sunak probably has enough on his plate, especially being so new to the job. Gove is probably better at being behind the scenes. Hunt is not a member of the government. So in terms of seniority Raab or Patel would be the obvious choices.
How quickly could Cameron be given a peerage? Asking for a friend.
He doesn't need one. Anyone can be Prime Minister.
Theresa May is still a MP.
To think we didn't like it when nothing had changed.
Prof Derek Hill, Professor of Medical Imaging, University College London (UCL), said:
“It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.
"One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."
"It seems clear". Is this actually based on anything, or just an assumption?
The fact we are told he is having difficulty breathing and "not on a ventilator yet"?
You can be on oxygen without being on a ventilator? Sorry, I had assumed they were the same.
Does anyone know the survival rates for this once you get to ICU? I'm hoping someone of his age has a good chance of getting through it.
I've read this weekend that it's 50%.
And Boris isn't fit. BMI is one of the factors relating to mortality.
Anyway I'm not putting the mockers on him. I shall head away for the night in a state of deep shock and desperately desperately desperately hoping that he makes it.
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Does anyone know the survival rates for this once you get to ICU? I'm hoping someone of his age has a good chance of getting through it.
Someone else was asking me if Boris is a smoker? Anyone know?
As for who cares, that's hardly the question, since the inital quetion was about command of the armed forces, and that they are not commanded by the PM personally, but through royal prerogative which does not need to be exercised by the PM personally, makes it quite relevant that the Queen is head of the armed forces whether or not anyone cares, since it renders the initial 'confusion' over the question irrelevant.
Raab on the BBC looks shit scared
And Boris isn't fit. BMI is one of the factors relating to mortality.
Anyway I'm not putting the mockers on him. I shall head away for the night in a state of deep shock and desperately desperately desperately hoping that he makes it.
Anyway, I am off to bed. Good night, and I hope we wake to more reassuring bulletins tomorrow.
Is the Austrian "route map to normality" the way for the UK? I find it hard to see social distancing surviving when more shops are open and it's interesting to see barbershops mentioned specifically for re-opening on May 1st.
This is perhaps the most difficult public policy decision the Government will have to face - the line between the economic imperative of trying to get things moving again has to be set against the public health imperative of risking a new wave of cases triggering a renewed lock down which could prolong and exacerbate the economic damage.
They are only human after all
So 50:50 IF the unresolved majority follow the same pattern.
"Dr Simon Clarke, a microbiologist, has said he believes it is likely the government is receiving oxygen."
Well, quite. I think we all need it right now.
Back to being serious. Praying and sending best vibes to Boris and family.
The last thing we need is the acting PM coming down with it.
I don’t think a deputy Prime Minister has ever secured the top job.
I really don't see the point in doing so, an opposition allows questions to be raised in public rather than private. For this you want (some) questions asked in public, in an actual war you want everything done in private.
“It seems clear that the Prime Minister went to hospital because he had difficulty breathing. It seems he was initially put on oxygen, and was conscious.
"One of the features of COVID-19 in all countries seems to be that many more men become seriously ill than women - especially in the over 40 age group. Also we know that people under about 60 seem to have a higher chance of making a recovery from critical illness with COVID-19 than older people. But there is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick."
Piers Morgan, alas, is still at it...
All my support for Boris Johnson, his family and the British people at this difficult time. I wish him to overcome this ordeal quickly.
Macron
Really hope Boris beats the odds.
Without trying to be political I am genuinely nervous that someone as inexperienced as Raab is now in charge. I truly think these are scary times and the country really needs someone more reassuring at the helm.
He has empathy and warmth. And a sense of humour
Hunt has some of those qualities too.
For cold, hard, political operator. Gove is all you need. But at a time of national crisis, empathy wins.
I don't think it comes across publicly.