politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Grand Entrance. Sir Keir Starmer’s electoral challenges
politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Grand Entrance. Sir Keir Starmer’s electoral challenges
It’s the honour and privilege of my life to be elected as Leader of the Labour Party. I will lead this great party into a new era, with confidence and hope, so that when the time comes, we can serve our country again – in government. pic.twitter.com/F4X088FTYY
Comments
-
Morning.0
-
New Jersey’s unemployment system is crashing under the stain, apparently....
https://twitter.com/manicode/status/12464970363897937920 -
Coming back to Alistair's final point - the M4 corridor would be a good place for Labour to start really asking what voters want....heading west from Slough all the way into S Wales there is literally a a swathe of seats that need to tumble into their hands if they are serious about changing. KS needs to shift the London bias pretty sharpish.0
-
You highlight Bedford which is my seat and on General Election night the exit poll projection had it is a 99% certain Conservative gain. Labour held it with the smallest majority it had on the night of 145 which would have been a bit smaller if I hadn't tactically voted. I think it ought to be classified as a part metropolitan seat largely down to the large proportion of the population that commute to London and the very good train services, 6 an hour some of them taking less than 40 minutes. The borough has an elected mayor which has never been held by the Tories in the six mayoral elections that have been held. In the local elections last May not a single Council seat in the parliamentary constituency went Tory0
-
I think it’s a very good article.... but I’m struggling slightly to see what this might mean in the face of the pandemic.0
-
“ I suggest that means talking more about transport and less about trans rights, more about housing and hospitals and less about Hamas. ”
This is of course utterly correct. However Labour appear to have a group of 160 odd MPs who are incapable/ unwilling to talk about topics far from these strands of thought.
Sir Keith needs to bring back a few MPs from the cold -Mrs Balls etc and perhaps dip into the Lords for some front benchers - and hide the Sultanas, Butlers and Abbotts in a locked cupboard.0 -
Well China certainly seems to have relaxed its lockdown, but how sensible is this ???
https://twitter.com/QiZHAI/status/12466322807490396170 -
I thought this was a very interesting article.
I’ve seen a least 2 stories now (the Guardian/LG story and the previous UAE/ventilator story) on “why won’t the government take the masks that I’ve sourced from them.
There is a very unpleasant trading environment out there and I’m glad the government isn’t participating
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2020/03/30/i-spent-a-day-in-the-coronavirus-driven-feeding-frenzy-of-n95-mask-sellers-and-buyers-and-this-is-what-i-learned/#43556f9956d40 -
FPT @TheValiant
The post of Leader of the Conservative and Unionist party was created in 1922 (hence ‘the 1922 committee’). You are correct that from then until 2001 every Tory leader had been PM. By contrast six Labour leaders - Henderson, Lansbury, Gaitskell, Foot, Kinnock and Smith - had not been.
Prior to 1922 there had been a small number of semi-official leaders who had not been PM, notably Austen Chamberlain (Leader in the Commons 1921-22) Lord Lansdowne (Leader in the Lords 1903-1916) and Sir Stafford Northcote (Leader in the Commons 1876-1885). However, they were not officially party leaders.1 -
If he puts the Sultanas in a cupboard, will it lead to sour grapes?TGOHF666 said:“ I suggest that means talking more about transport and less about trans rights, more about housing and hospitals and less about Hamas. ”
This is of course utterly correct. However Labour appear to have a group of 160 odd MPs who are incapable/ unwilling to talk about topics far from these strands of thought.
Sir Keith needs to bring back a few MPs from the cold -Mrs Balls etc and perhaps dip into the Lords for some front benchers - and hide the Sultanas, Butlers and Abbotts in a locked cupboard.1 -
Somehow I knew it would be you raisin that question.ydoethur said:
If he puts the Sultanas in a cupboard, will it lead to sour grapes?TGOHF666 said:“ I suggest that means talking more about transport and less about trans rights, more about housing and hospitals and less about Hamas. ”
This is of course utterly correct. However Labour appear to have a group of 160 odd MPs who are incapable/ unwilling to talk about topics far from these strands of thought.
Sir Keith needs to bring back a few MPs from the cold -Mrs Balls etc and perhaps dip into the Lords for some front benchers - and hide the Sultanas, Butlers and Abbotts in a locked cupboard.
2 -
Shame on you voting for an anti-Semitic partyMikeSmithson said:You highlight Bedford which is my seat and on General Election night the exit poll projection had it is a 99% certain Conservative gain. Labour held it with the smallest majority it had on the night of 145 which would have been a bit smaller if I hadn't tactically voted. I think it ought to be classified as a part metropolitan seat largely down to the large proportion of the population that commute to London and the very good train services, 6 an hour some of them taking less than 40 minutes. The borough has an elected mayor which has never been held by the Tories in the six mayoral elections that have been held. In the local elections last May not a single Council seat in the parliamentary constituency went Tory
1 -
The US CDC has not briefed in the last month....
https://twitter.com/SamanthaVpi/status/1246615616074612736
0 -
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1246622359924203521Charles said:I thought this was a very interesting article.
I’ve seen a least 2 stories now (the Guardian/LG story and the previous UAE/ventilator story) on “why won’t the government take the masks that I’ve sourced from them.
There is a very unpleasant trading environment out there and I’m glad the government isn’t participating
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2020/03/30/i-spent-a-day-in-the-coronavirus-driven-feeding-frenzy-of-n95-mask-sellers-and-buyers-and-this-is-what-i-learned/#43556f9956d4
0 -
Stroud is a funny one. It’s actually a faded not quite ex industrial seat (Renishaws remains, plus one factory in Cam producing baize for snooker tables, but with the closure of Listers in Dursley that’s about it). So you would expect it to reflect the northern or north midlands marginals. However, because Stroud itself is on a good railway line to London and the other major urban areas (Cam and Dursley and Wotton) have excellent transport links to Bristol it has become a sort of upper-middle-class dormitory. Lots of wealthy professors trying to prove how much they care about the planet by driving their electric vehicles into Filton every day. That’s how it’s the headquarters of those nutters in Extinction Rebellion, for example.
But that leaves Labour with some issues. All the weight and experience on the Left in the area goes with the Greens (even David Drew, while out of Parliament, sat as an independent councillor associated with the Greens). Meanwhile the older working class is walking away from Labour, as it is in the North. So it faces the classic dilemma it has across the country in microcosm - workers or middle classes? And you can’t have both, because the workers earn their living in things the middle classes believe should be got rid of.
If I am honest, I think Labour were fortunate to regain Stroud in 2017 and it was partly because Neil Carmichael is Richard Burgon on speed. They may find it very hard to do so again. The coalition they would need just doesn’t cohere.1 -
Perhaps a little whine will be fermented ?ydoethur said:
If he puts the Sultanas in a cupboard, will it lead to sour grapes?TGOHF666 said:“ I suggest that means talking more about transport and less about trans rights, more about housing and hospitals and less about Hamas. ”
This is of course utterly correct. However Labour appear to have a group of 160 odd MPs who are incapable/ unwilling to talk about topics far from these strands of thought.
Sir Keith needs to bring back a few MPs from the cold -Mrs Balls etc and perhaps dip into the Lords for some front benchers - and hide the Sultanas, Butlers and Abbotts in a locked cupboard.1 -
This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)0 -
Hancock - without a leadership contest.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)0 -
I have no medical experience and little idea of the progress of this disease. But do you think they should be getting worried that his symptoms are taking so long to improve? Should somebody not be ordering him to stop working, and actually rest properly?Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)0 -
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...1 -
The PM is the PM. I don’t see that there can be any “acting” about it. The leadership of the Conservative Party is irrelevant.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...2 -
He seems to be following the pattern of our own @GideonWise (who I hope is feeling better today). I think (hope) that’s the pattern of the disease rather than any sign it’s especially malignant in him.alex_ said:
I have no medical experience and little idea of the progress of this disease. But do you think they should be getting worried that his symptoms are taking so long to improve? Should somebody not be ordering him to stop working, and actually rest properly?Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Once travel is enabled, we should send a delegation to South Korea to learn everything we can about their response, and to invite them to send some of their people back to the UK to work with us on improving our approach should either this or another disease outbreak like it happen again.0 -
“Labour need to find a voice for parts of Britain that are not particularly affluent but don’t necessarily look like backdrops for Billy Elliot or Hovis adverts. But who knows, if they find that voice, perhaps they will be heard by voters in their former heartlands too? “
So they chose a Human Rights Lawyer who did everything possible to thwart Brexit4 -
Yes, but it’s like Harman or Beckett’s leadership of the Labour Party. They were both, legally, the leader. However, it was understood that it was a temporary arrangement pending a leadership election. I don’t think Betfair paid out on any bets on Harman succeeding Miliband.alex_ said:
The PM is the PM. I don’t see that there can be any “acting” about it. The leadership of the Conservative Party is irrelevant.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...0 -
That will be the Peak District, 9.00 am on the day our lock-down ends....Nigelb said:Well China certainly seems to have relaxed its lockdown, but how sensible is this ???
https://twitter.com/QiZHAI/status/12466322807490396170 -
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
0 -
We used to be told working class Labour voters held grudges against the Tories for generations, going all the way back to the Jarrow marchers. The Labour Party better hope that doesn't hold true for Brexit.isam said:“Labour need to find a voice for parts of Britain that are not particularly affluent but don’t necessarily look like backdrops for Billy Elliot or Hovis adverts. But who knows, if they find that voice, perhaps they will be heard by voters in their former heartlands too? “
So they chose a Human Rights Lawyer who did everything possible to thwart Brexit3 -
He's not been resting properly with all his working from home. I know Hancock was working through it, but he's younger and slimmer than Johnson.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
Rest is critical with this virus.0 -
The people I know who have had it, and the ones who have got into difficulties, have all found the nastiest part occurring later in the illness: 10 days on. Seems to be something connected to the lungs going into Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome.alex_ said:
I have no medical experience and little idea of the progress of this disease. But do you think they should be getting worried that his symptoms are taking so long to improve? Should somebody not be ordering him to stop working, and actually rest properly?Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
Professor John Wilson says: “The lining of the respiratory tree becomes injured, causing inflammation. This in turn irritates the nerves in the lining of the airway. Just a speck of dust can stimulate a cough.
“But if this gets worse, it goes past just the lining of the airway and goes to the gas exchange units, which are at the end of the air passages.
“If they become infected they respond by pouring out inflammatory material into the air sacs that are at the bottom of our lungs.”
If the air sacs then become inflamed, Wilson says this causes an “outpouring of inflammatory material [fluid and inflammatory cells] into the lungs and we end up with pneumonia.”
He says lungs that become filled with inflammatory material are unable to get enough oxygen to the bloodstream, reducing the body’s ability to take on oxygen and get rid of carbon dioxide.
“That’s the usual cause of death with severe pneumonia,” Prof John Wilson, president-elect of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians and a respiratory physician.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/coronavirus-what-happens-to-peoples-lungs-acute-respiratory-when-they-get-covid-19
And, yes, I very much wish Boris to get better.0 -
They have bigger issues, currantly.Nigelb said:
Somehow I knew it would be you raisin that question.ydoethur said:
If he puts the Sultanas in a cupboard, will it lead to sour grapes?TGOHF666 said:“ I suggest that means talking more about transport and less about trans rights, more about housing and hospitals and less about Hamas. ”
This is of course utterly correct. However Labour appear to have a group of 160 odd MPs who are incapable/ unwilling to talk about topics far from these strands of thought.
Sir Keith needs to bring back a few MPs from the cold -Mrs Balls etc and perhaps dip into the Lords for some front benchers - and hide the Sultanas, Butlers and Abbotts in a locked cupboard.0 -
It only means that he is not yet recovering, I think.alex_ said:
I have no medical experience and little idea of the progress of this disease. But do you think they should be getting worried that his symptoms are taking so long to improve? Should somebody not be ordering him to stop working, and actually rest properly?Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
0 -
Were they? Or was the post vacant? Not necessarily an accurate guide but wiki says that they were both Leader of the Opposition. But not leader of the Labour Party.ydoethur said:
Yes, but it’s like Harman or Beckett’s leadership of the Labour Party. They were both, legally, the leader. However, it was understood that it was a temporary arrangement pending a leadership election. I don’t think Betfair paid out on any bets on Harman succeeding Miliband.alex_ said:
The PM is the PM. I don’t see that there can be any “acting” about it. The leadership of the Conservative Party is irrelevant.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The Queen doesn’t appoint people to be PM on a temporary basis.0 -
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?0 -
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?1 -
Agreed. There was one particular weekend: 21st-23rd February when everyone was politely ordered to remain indoors and they sprayed everywhere: literally a massive deep clean including huge lorries out on the streets. Daegu remained in a tighter lockdown but I'm sure that initial fast response helped quell the spread and meant they could adhere to social distancing (they are the country that invented the term) without lockdown.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Once travel is enabled, we should send a delegation to South Korea to learn everything we can about their response, and to invite them to send some of their people back to the UK to work with us on improving our approach should either this or another disease outbreak like it happen again.
Much as I admire the zealous social media campaign to keep us all indoors, if you're wearing proper protective gear outdoors you are very unlikely to catch it.0 -
I think as much as we might like it to be Hancock or Sunak, it'd be Raab with everyone else staying in post. Boris really needs to rest.0
-
Under the constitution of the Labour Party, they were both leader. That has now changed (the words ‘pro tem’ have been added) but at the time they were the legal leader.alex_ said:
Were they? Or was the post vacant? Not necessarily an accurate guide but wiki says that they were both Leader of the Opposition. But not leader of the Labour Party.ydoethur said:
Yes, but it’s like Harman or Beckett’s leadership of the Labour Party. They were both, legally, the leader. However, it was understood that it was a temporary arrangement pending a leadership election. I don’t think Betfair paid out on any bets on Harman succeeding Miliband.alex_ said:
The PM is the PM. I don’t see that there can be any “acting” about it. The leadership of the Conservative Party is irrelevant.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The Queen doesn’t appoint people to be PM on a temporary basis.
It’s different in the Liberal Democrats who have a recognised office of Acting Leader.0 -
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
0 -
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?0 -
This is a very good article on interpreting the testing figures.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus-case-counts-are-meaningless/
Worth reading in full.
... Failure to account for testing strategies can also render comparisons between states and countries meaningless. According to two recent epidemiological studies, which tried to infer the true number of infected people from the reported number of deaths, there is roughly a 20-fold difference in case detection rates between the countries that are doing the best job of it, such as Norway and the worst job, such as the United Kingdom. (The United States is probably somewhere in the middle of the pack by this standard.) That means, for example, that in one country that reports 1,000 COVID-19 cases, there could actually be 5,000 infected people, and in another country that reports 1,000 cases, there might be 100,000!...
... There are quite a few things to look at here. The most obvious and probably the most important one is simply that a 15-day delay between when someone gets infected and when their case shows up in the data as a positive test makes a huge difference. Even if everything else was going perfectly — 100 percent of the population was being tested and the tests are 100 percent accurate — with an R of 2.6, a 15-day delay would result in there being about 18 times more newly infected people in the population than the number of newly reported positive tests at any given time....
...0 -
Labour have comprehensively won the battle with the Lib Dems for urban progressives. There is not a single Lib Dem-held seat in Labour’s first 250 targets. And if the Lib Dems were not going to make advances against Labour led by a leader tainted by accusations of anti-Semitism and half-heartedness on Brexit, they probably never will.
Whilst this is true, the Lib Dems are still very much of the equation...
...Labour can probably form a government so long as Labour, the SNP and the Lib Dems tally a combined 320 seats or so.
Would Labour ever consider doing a deal with the Lib Dems? Would the two parties benefit from giving the other a free run in seats such as:
For Labour (LD votes in excess of the Tory majority):
Kensington (9,162)
Watford (4,890)
Chipping Barnet (4,720)
Warrington South (3,722)
Truro and Falmouth (2,589)
Southport (2,352)
Wycombe (2,329)
High Peak (2,160)
Burnley (2,149)
Rushcliffe (1,957)
Bury South (1,913)
North West Durham (1,687)
Gedling (1,600)
Chingford and Woodford Green (1,482)
Delyn (1,481)
There are a further 16 seats where the Lib Dem vote was more than the Tory majority.
For the Lib Dems (Labour votes in excess of the Tory majority):
Wimbledon (11,915)
Cities of London and Westminster (7,671)
Finchley and Golders Green (6,785)
Carshalton and Wallington (5,452)
South Cambridgeshire (4,899)
Cheadle (4,515)
Hitchin and Harpenden (3,064)
Cheltenham (1,940)
Winchester (1,738)
Guildford (1,178)
Hazel Grove (1,085)
Lewes (749)
Esher and Walton (95)
These are the only 13 seats that the Labour vote was more than the Tory majority. However, there are other seats (Chelsea and Fulham, Eastbourne, St Ives, Wokingham, Woking and South East Cambridgeshire) where the majority was fewer than 1,000 votes more than the Labour vote.
Obviously this would be a big deal for Labour. But given that it is difficult to see Labour winning an outright majority at the next election, why not do a deal that might be deny the Tories a majority?
0 -
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
0 -
You pipped me to that one.MarqueeMark said:
They have bigger issues, currantly.Nigelb said:
Somehow I knew it would be you raisin that question.ydoethur said:
If he puts the Sultanas in a cupboard, will it lead to sour grapes?TGOHF666 said:“ I suggest that means talking more about transport and less about trans rights, more about housing and hospitals and less about Hamas. ”
This is of course utterly correct. However Labour appear to have a group of 160 odd MPs who are incapable/ unwilling to talk about topics far from these strands of thought.
Sir Keith needs to bring back a few MPs from the cold -Mrs Balls etc and perhaps dip into the Lords for some front benchers - and hide the Sultanas, Butlers and Abbotts in a locked cupboard.0 -
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
0 -
Hanpenis must already be assuming Johnson is a goner as he has obviously using the daily press conferences to start his not-a-leadership-campaign.tlg86 said:
Hancock - without a leadership contest.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)0 -
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.0 -
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.0 -
I love it!! We are a quite amazing nation. I guess we get away with it except in a severe crisis. So I hope this one isn't tested.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.
I've started re-watching the wonderful House of Cards (despite KS) and of course Frank Underwood's great play for office was to secure the Vice Presidency.1 -
0 -
Not so much a technical deliberate fudge, as the consequence of an evolved unwritten constitution though. There are bits which rely on precedent from several centuries ago, other bits more recent. And not always guaranteed to to avoid an element of contradiction.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.0 -
what an absolute arseholeTGOHF666 said:1 -
Thank you for the answers, anyway. Pb at its best.
I'm not sure I can ethically bring myself to bet on this one. When I ordered my protective gear in January I did think of buying up 200 masks at the same time at a tenner a piece (it's a good one) but couldn't bring myself to do it. Benefitting from other people's misfortune may be the American Dream (John Green) but I can't be so overt about it. And karma teaches me not to roll the dice with this virus.
G'day to you all.
xx0 -
What are the chances that Labour might back PR (by STV)?tlg86 said:Labour have comprehensively won the battle with the Lib Dems for urban progressives. There is not a single Lib Dem-held seat in Labour’s first 250 targets. And if the Lib Dems were not going to make advances against Labour led by a leader tainted by accusations of anti-Semitism and half-heartedness on Brexit, they probably never will.
Whilst this is true, the Lib Dems are still very much of the equation...
...Labour can probably form a government so long as Labour, the SNP and the Lib Dems tally a combined 320 seats or so.
Would Labour ever consider doing a deal with the Lib Dems? Would the two parties benefit from giving the other a free run in seats such as:
For Labour (LD votes in excess of the Tory majority):
Kensington (9,162)
Watford (4,890)
Chipping Barnet (4,720)
Warrington South (3,722)
Truro and Falmouth (2,589)
Southport (2,352)
Wycombe (2,329)
High Peak (2,160)
Burnley (2,149)
Rushcliffe (1,957)
Bury South (1,913)
North West Durham (1,687)
Gedling (1,600)
Chingford and Woodford Green (1,482)
Delyn (1,481)
There are a further 16 seats where the Lib Dem vote was more than the Tory majority.
For the Lib Dems (Labour votes in excess of the Tory majority):
Wimbledon (11,915)
Cities of London and Westminster (7,671)
Finchley and Golders Green (6,785)
Carshalton and Wallington (5,452)
South Cambridgeshire (4,899)
Cheadle (4,515)
Hitchin and Harpenden (3,064)
Cheltenham (1,940)
Winchester (1,738)
Guildford (1,178)
Hazel Grove (1,085)
Lewes (749)
Esher and Walton (95)
These are the only 13 seats that the Labour vote was more than the Tory majority. However, there are other seats (Chelsea and Fulham, Eastbourne, St Ives, Wokingham, Woking and South East Cambridgeshire) where the majority was fewer than 1,000 votes more than the Labour vote.
Obviously this would be a big deal for Labour. But given that it is difficult to see Labour winning an outright majority at the next election, why not do a deal that might be deny the Tories a majority?0 -
The original British version is much more tightly scripted and, in my opinion, better acted.Mysticrose said:
I love it!! We are a quite amazing nation. I guess we get away with it except in a severe crisis. So I hope this one isn't tested.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.
I've started re-watching the wonderful House of Cards (despite KS) and of course Frank Underwood's great play for office was to secure the Vice Presidency.1 -
Have you seen the original British version. ? The US copy is good but the British unbelievable goodMysticrose said:
I love it!! We are a quite amazing nation. I guess we get away with it except in a severe crisis. So I hope this one isn't tested.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.
I've started re-watching the wonderful House of Cards (despite KS) and of course Frank Underwood's great play for office was to secure the Vice Presidency.0 -
How do you know he is working a lot , one or two video conferences cannot tell you that.alex_ said:
I have no medical experience and little idea of the progress of this disease. But do you think they should be getting worried that his symptoms are taking so long to improve? Should somebody not be ordering him to stop working, and actually rest properly?Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)0 -
Maybe, maybe not. Is it perhaps actually an advantage that we have an officially designated successor, but not a legally determined one? There are pros and cons. Under another eg. US system the succession is automatic and the successor has total authority. But if they’re a dud...Mysticrose said:
I love it!! We are a quite amazing nation. I guess we get away with it except in a severe crisis. So I hope this one isn't tested.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.
.
Anyone know what would happen in France?
0 -
I don't think the mix of quite strong somewheres and urban professionals, trending in opposite directions, in a single seat is that rare. My pointers that the W Yorks valleys were trending red over the last few years ultimately came to naught on the blue tide in 2019, but swings were relatively low. Looking at this interplay, and the balance of it, is key to enough seats to be interesting. This is the key interplay in Calder Valley (Con hold but they needn't bother by 2030), Colne Valley, Dewsbury (some of which spans Labour trending villages whose residents mostly wouldn't even know how or why they would ever need to drive to Dewsbury), High Peak, even Stalybridge & Hyde (where the red counter/underswing in the traditionally Tory Staley and Gee Cross/Werneth wards probably held off a Tory gain in a constituency that was said to have the highest proportion of manufacturing jobs in the UK 20 years ago).ydoethur said:Stroud is a funny one. It’s actually a faded not quite ex industrial seat (Renishaws remains, plus one factory in Cam producing baize for snooker tables, but with the closure of Listers in Dursley that’s about it). So you would expect it to reflect the northern or north midlands marginals. However, because Stroud itself is on a good railway line to London and the other major urban areas (Cam and Dursley and Wotton) have excellent transport links to Bristol it has become a sort of upper-middle-class dormitory. Lots of wealthy professors trying to prove how much they care about the planet by driving their electric vehicles into Filton every day. That’s how it’s the headquarters of those nutters in Extinction Rebellion, for example.
But that leaves Labour with some issues. All the weight and experience on the Left in the area goes with the Greens (even David Drew, while out of Parliament, sat as an independent councillor associated with the Greens). Meanwhile the older working class is walking away from Labour, as it is in the North. So it faces the classic dilemma it has across the country in microcosm - workers or middle classes? And you can’t have both, because the workers earn their living in things the middle classes believe should be got rid of.
If I am honest, I think Labour were fortunate to regain Stroud in 2017 and it was partly because Neil Carmichael is Richard Burgon on speed. They may find it very hard to do so again. The coalition they would need just doesn’t cohere.
I'm sure we could go round the entire Peak District edge and Cheshire picking out a dozen seats with this interplay, seeing slightly less trendy post-industrial small places moving blue (Penistone & Stockbridge) and more trendy ones moving red (Staffs Moorlands would be a big ask for Labour, but I'd guess would trend red over time).
And the point is, everywhere has a commutable rural edge where this mix will.exist and which to some extent is seeing a flight from towns.0 -
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.0 -
I may give the British version a go then. I just have a fascination with American politics, having studied it. But that recommendation may propel me to watch the original. Michael Dobbs worked on both versions.0
-
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.0 -
I don’t. Although perhaps he shouldn’t be working at all. Of all the jobs I would think it’s difficult to “half do”. But if he is doing little and is getting a lot of rest, then good.malcolmg said:
How do you know he is working a lot , one or two video conferences cannot tell you that.alex_ said:
I have no medical experience and little idea of the progress of this disease. But do you think they should be getting worried that his symptoms are taking so long to improve? Should somebody not be ordering him to stop working, and actually rest properly?Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
0 -
To be honest, it’s only a problem when the Tories are in government. However, this is of course most of the time!Mysticrose said:
I love it!! We are a quite amazing nation. I guess we get away with it except in a severe crisis. So I hope this one isn't tested.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.
I've started re-watching the wonderful House of Cards (despite KS) and of course Frank Underwood's great play for office was to secure the Vice Presidency.
Labour has clear rules on what happen in those circumstances - the cabinet meet, nominate one of their number, and then advise the Sovereign to appoint that person. But the Tories’ rules on the leadership are very obscure, and tend to be about expediency than practicality.
It should be noted though that the last time this was an issue, when Eden resigned in 1957, that is roughly the procedure they adopted themselves. However, to complicate matters Eden was on sick leave and had nominated Butler to chair the cabinet and effectively act as PM in his absence.
It is a point that could do with clarifying. An addition to the Cabinet manual stating that the Cabinet immediately meet under a nominated office holder, listed in order by seniority of rank, or just the longest serving minister, to elect an interim successor would make things much easier.0 -
I thought him a lightweight in last summers race, but he has been a better Health Secretary than I expected, and is far better than the other politicians at the press conferences. He actually responds to questions intelligently rather than defaulting to evasion and bluster.Dura_Ace said:
Hanpenis must already be assuming Johnson is a goner as he has obviously using the daily press conferences to start his not-a-leadership-campaign.tlg86 said:
Hancock - without a leadership contest.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
I don't think any Health Secretary has made it to PM since the NHS was created.1 -
Of course it was. It had Ian Richardson in it. Compared to Ian Richardson Kevin Spacey is Chris Martin to Donald Bradman.Fysics_Teacher said:
The original British version is much more tightly scripted and, in my opinion, better acted.Mysticrose said:
I love it!! We are a quite amazing nation. I guess we get away with it except in a severe crisis. So I hope this one isn't tested.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.
I've started re-watching the wonderful House of Cards (despite KS) and of course Frank Underwood's great play for office was to secure the Vice Presidency.0 -
Should she have got the job in the first place ?malcolmg said:
what an absolute arseholeTGOHF666 said:
"Ms Sturgeon’s recent appointment of Catherine Calderwood as Scotland’s Chief Medical Officer has also come under fire because she is a “gynaecologist without a scientific background”."
Meanwhile Scotland has a top expert who is sidelined for wrong thinking..
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1262843/nicola-sturgeon-news-snp-scotland-coronavirus-hugh-pennington-coronavirus-uk-death-cases1 -
1 -
Saw this yesterday. Fabulous isn't it?AlastairMeeks said:
0 -
Music better as well !ydoethur said:
Of course it was. It had Ian Richardson in it. Compared to Ian Richardson Kevin Spacey is Chris Martin to Donald Bradman.Fysics_Teacher said:
The original British version is much more tightly scripted and, in my opinion, better acted.Mysticrose said:
I love it!! We are a quite amazing nation. I guess we get away with it except in a severe crisis. So I hope this one isn't tested.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.
I've started re-watching the wonderful House of Cards (despite KS) and of course Frank Underwood's great play for office was to secure the Vice Presidency.0 -
I doubt it. I think you listen too much, draw to many of the same conclusions as, EiT on how different realistic actions would have resulted in an ultimately different course. You overestimate the extent to which actions in South Korea/Japan etc could have been replicated here, and with same outcomes. And you assume that presumed Govt failings are a consequence of bad decision making as opposed to lack of capacity/availability. The end result would have still been lockdown (in this country as in most of Europe). And I think Hancock has greater confidence of NHS staff than he does (although that may be nonsense).Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.3 -
more like a buggers muddle to me.alex_ said:
Not so much a technical deliberate fudge, as the consequence of an evolved unwritten constitution though. There are bits which rely on precedent from several centuries ago, other bits more recent. And not always guaranteed to to avoid an element of contradiction.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.0 -
He just lies better than the other ones, still useless.Foxy said:
I thought him a lightweight in last summers race, but he has been a better Health Secretary than I expected, and is far better than the other politicians at the press conferences. He actually responds to questions intelligently rather than defaulting to evasion and bluster.Dura_Ace said:
Hanpenis must already be assuming Johnson is a goner as he has obviously using the daily press conferences to start his not-a-leadership-campaign.tlg86 said:
Hancock - without a leadership contest.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
I don't think any Health Secretary has made it to PM since the NHS was created.0 -
Simply untrue.alex_ said:
I doubt it. I think you listen too much, draw to many of the same conclusions as, EiT on how different realistic actions would have resulted in an ultimately different course. The end result would have still been lockdown (in this country as in most of Europe). And I think Hancock has greater confidence of NHS staff than he does (although that may be nonsense).Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.
Europe was slow to react and enabled some really crass events to go ahead.
Asian countries got their act together very fast because they have experience of this. Hong Kong was scarred by SARS and Singapore and South Korea were really quick out of the blocks.
That's where Jeremy Hunt comes in. He was warning us long before the Government acted, and he really pissed off Cummings by doing so.
Why was Jeremy Hunt so quick to spot this danger? Obviously he's very sharp but of course he has massive Asian connections: not only has his business enterprises been rooted there, he lived in Japan has a Chinese wife and speaks Mandarin.
Hunt was shit hot compared to Johnson's characteristically blustering lazy approach in the early stages.0 -
Morning Malc.malcolmg said:
more like a buggers muddle to me.alex_ said:
Not so much a technical deliberate fudge, as the consequence of an evolved unwritten constitution though. There are bits which rely on precedent from several centuries ago, other bits more recent. And not always guaranteed to to avoid an element of contradiction.ydoethur said:
About as obscure as it possibly can be. Classic British fudge, forsooth.Mysticrose said:
Crikey.ydoethur said:
No. But Raab is First Secretary of State and is the nominated successor. The PM traditionally leaves advice for the Monarch on who to appoint if they die suddenly, going back to at least the Second World War.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Thank you. Not clear cut by any means then?
I hope Boris recovers, obviously. I certainly don't wish this hideous virus on any political opponent.
Bear in mind that in our system of government technically there is no Prime Minister. There is a Minister nominated by the Sovereign to chair the cabinet. So in the absence of the nominated minister, the Sovereign nominates another one.0 -
Most he will be doing is reading papers and taking phone calls/video calls. Not exactly breaking sweat and he has droves of minions to do the work. Hard to see it being much more taxing than reading a book or newspaper.alex_ said:
I don’t. Although perhaps he shouldn’t be working at all. Of all the jobs I would think it’s difficult to “half do”. But if he is doing little and is getting a lot of rest, then good.malcolmg said:
How do you know he is working a lot , one or two video conferences cannot tell you that.alex_ said:
I have no medical experience and little idea of the progress of this disease. But do you think they should be getting worried that his symptoms are taking so long to improve? Should somebody not be ordering him to stop working, and actually rest properly?Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)0 -
And Alex, most Asian countries have avoided lockdown because of their approach. South Korea being a good example.
We're so flaming arrogant in this country. All that shit Hancock spouted the other day about how we are trying to find a vaccine and a cure. Er, because no other countries are already doing that of course?
We are a second-rate nation at best. Sorry. But true.0 -
I liked Giles Dilnot’s comment that the people who seem appalled to see a few people scattered around a park on a lovely spring day are probably not living in an inner London high riseAlastairMeeks said:1 -
Of course Hunt would have been better - because REMAINER.Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.
Some wounds wont heal..0 -
Absolutely!isam said:
I liked Giles Dilnot’s comment that the people who seem appalled to see a few people scattered around a park on a lovely spring day are probably not living in an inner London high riseAlastairMeeks said:
And this fascist attack on people driving to the countryside. Why the fuck shouldn't they? If they are in their own cars and in a remote area they are not virus vectors. We are totally ridiculous sometimes.
You can even hear on social media an argument that they might crash their cars on the way and divert A&E staff. I mean really. Is that our level of argument now?0 -
malcy, have you maybe tried sliding out the bottom of the bed? Cuz it seems neither side of the bed is the right one for you to get out of.....malcolmg said:
He just lies better than the other ones, still useless.Foxy said:
I thought him a lightweight in last summers race, but he has been a better Health Secretary than I expected, and is far better than the other politicians at the press conferences. He actually responds to questions intelligently rather than defaulting to evasion and bluster.Dura_Ace said:
Hanpenis must already be assuming Johnson is a goner as he has obviously using the daily press conferences to start his not-a-leadership-campaign.tlg86 said:
Hancock - without a leadership contest.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
I don't think any Health Secretary has made it to PM since the NHS was created.1 -
You seem like the obsessive here.TGOHF666 said:
Of course Hunt would have been better - because REMAINER.Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.
Some wounds wont heal..1 -
Well quite. This business is rubbish enough without pointlessly harassing people who are doing no harm and quietly having a moment’s respite.isam said:
I liked Giles Dilnot’s comment that the people who seem appalled to see a few people scattered around a park on a lovely spring day are probably not living in an inner London high riseAlastairMeeks said:3 -
Indeed. I'd actually forgotten Hunt was a remainer. Is that true? Was he?Nigelb said:
You seem like the obsessive here.TGOHF666 said:
Of course Hunt would have been better - because REMAINER.Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.
Some wounds wont heal..0 -
I think you’re right. Neville Chamberlain is the only one I can think of at any point, in fact.Foxy said:
I thought him a lightweight in last summers race, but he has been a better Health Secretary than I expected, and is far better than the other politicians at the press conferences. He actually responds to questions intelligently rather than defaulting to evasion and bluster.Dura_Ace said:
Hanpenis must already be assuming Johnson is a goner as he has obviously using the daily press conferences to start his not-a-leadership-campaign.tlg86 said:
Hancock - without a leadership contest.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
I don't think any Health Secretary has made it to PM since the NHS was created.0 -
I've seen no evidence that Hunt would have fought off the Piers Morgan led shrieks for lockdown and we would be Sweden over the channel with schools and work carrying on.Nigelb said:
You seem like the obsessive here.TGOHF666 said:
Of course Hunt would have been better - because REMAINER.Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.
Some wounds wont heal..
0 -
My wife has just been sent home from her day shift at Winchester Hospital, too many nurses not enough patients1
-
Of course if one does it they will all want to do it and then social distancing breaks down. Brighton was v bad yesterday so i am told.. these people risk infecting or geing infected. Simples. Stay at home save lives.Mysticrose said:
Absolutely!isam said:
I liked Giles Dilnot’s comment that the people who seem appalled to see a few people scattered around a park on a lovely spring day are probably not living in an inner London high riseAlastairMeeks said:
And this fascist attack on people driving to the countryside. Why the fuck shouldn't they? If they are in their own cars and in a remote area they are not virus vectors. We are totally ridiculous sometimes.
You can even hear on social media an argument that they might crash their cars on the way and divert A&E staff. I mean really. Is that our level of argument now?0 -
Good morning, all
"precedents are made to be set" just doesn't look right.1 -
Well obviously you haven't seen evidence. He wasn't PM or in office. What kind of an argument is that?TGOHF666 said:
I've seen no evidence that Hunt would haveNigelb said:
You seem like the obsessive here.TGOHF666 said:
Of course Hunt would have been better - because REMAINER.Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.
Some wounds wont heal..
0 -
Though elsewhere in the country:NerysHughes said:My wife has just been sent home from her day shift at Winchester Hospital, too many nurses not enough patients
BBC News - Coronavirus: The NHS workers wearing bin bags as protection
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52145140
The misery is not evenly spread.0 -
But that’s the point. The Govt’s had experience of SARS. But so did the people. They were likely far more responsive to the message. They also probably had better and more reliable intelligence from China.Mysticrose said:
Simply untrue.alex_ said:
I doubt it. I think you listen too much, draw to many of the same conclusions as, EiT on how different realistic actions would have resulted in an ultimately different course. The end result would have still been lockdown (in this country as in most of Europe). And I think Hancock has greater confidence of NHS staff than he does (although that may be nonsense).Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.
Europe was slow to react and enabled some really crass events to go ahead.
Asian countries got their act together very fast because they have experience of this. Hong Kong was scarred by SARS and Singapore and South Korea were really quick out of the blocks.
That's where Jeremy Hunt comes in. He was warning us long before the Government acted, and he really pissed off Cummings by doing so.
.
I’m not saying that Hunt’s instincts mightn’t have been better. And he might not have taken better decisions if he had been in a position to do so. But I still think we would have ended up in the same place (lockdown). Like most of the rest of the world, some of which are still quite possibly unaffected enough to pursue a different course.
0 -
Wow. I've heard some rumours to that effect around where I live. There are allegedly 200 cases in total in Devon and I heard that A&E has been empty because people don't want to go near hospitals ...NerysHughes said:My wife has just been sent home from her day shift at Winchester Hospital, too many nurses not enough patients
0 -
No it wasn't.squareroot2 said:
. Brighton was v bad yesterday so i am told..Mysticrose said:
Absolutely!isam said:
I liked Giles Dilnot’s comment that the people who seem appalled to see a few people scattered around a park on a lovely spring day are probably not living in an inner London high riseAlastairMeeks said:
And this fascist attack on people driving to the countryside. Why the fuck shouldn't they? If they are in their own cars and in a remote area they are not virus vectors. We are totally ridiculous sometimes.
You can even hear on social media an argument that they might crash their cars on the way and divert A&E staff. I mean really. Is that our level of argument now?
It was fake news using footage from last August. In fact it spawned some very funny memes last night on twitter.
If you go somewhere remote and don't go near people you're not a virus vector.-1 -
Yesterday my daughter reported 170+ empty beds at Bournemouth hospitalMysticrose said:
Wow. I've heard some rumours to that effect around where I live. There are allegedly 200 cases in total in Devon and I heard that A&E has been empty because people don't want to go near hospitals ...NerysHughes said:My wife has just been sent home from her day shift at Winchester Hospital, too many nurses not enough patients
0 -
So your assertion that he would have avoided a lockdown if PM is a whimsical dream based on prejudice ?Mysticrose said:
Well obviously you haven't seen evidence. He wasn't PM or in office. What kind of an argument is that?TGOHF666 said:
I've seen no evidence that Hunt would haveNigelb said:
You seem like the obsessive here.TGOHF666 said:
Of course Hunt would have been better - because REMAINER.Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.
Some wounds wont heal..
0 -
Of course now that we have Got Brexit Done, that consideration is obsolete. Hunt is head and shoulders above anyone on the Government front bench, not that that is a very high bar.TGOHF666 said:
Of course Hunt would have been better - because REMAINER.Mysticrose said:
As you may know, in my opinion the standout Conservative politician in this crisis has been Jeremy Hunt.malcolmg said:
Gove is a useless arsehole, he could not run a bath. Hancock would only be marginally better.Mysticrose said:
Although so has Michael Gove and I've heard chuntering on the press wires that a number of people think he'd be a better PM in this crisis.alex_ said:
There is this thing that Raab has been made “designated survivor”. So not withstanding the above I think it should be assumed it would be him. I guess this explains why he has been doing the daily briefings on a periodic basis in Johnson’s absence.Mysticrose said:
Thank you. That's very helpful.alex_ said:
I understood that the process was that the Cabinet would agree amongst themselves. It is a matter for the Executive and the Queen. The Parliamentary role (securing confidence via a vote on the Queens Speech - a bit confused now by the FTPA which has god knows what impact) comes later.Mysticrose said:
That doesn't answer the question.TGOHF666 said:
Exactly the same process as if a PM had a heart attack or car accident etc in normal times. The process remains unchanged.ydoethur said:
Dominic Raab would be appointed PM, then there would be a leadership election.Mysticrose said:This is going to sound distasteful and I don't mean it to. However, picking up something Mike wrote that Johnson 'could go for whatever reason' ... If he did succumb to this horrible virus, who would be next PM? I'm asking from a betting point of view.
Is there a) an automatic new PM from the current line up or b) a new leadership election?
(Johnson 'still has a cough and a high temperature' - today's Sunday Times.)
It depends a little on whether the betting companies would regard Raab as PM (which in law he would be) or acting PM (which in practice he might be).
This is however ample reason to wish Mr Johnson a speedy and complete recovery...
The point about whether the betting companies would honour it is interesting.
By the way, why would Dominic Raab automatically be made PM? Is that on Boris' fiat? Do we have a constitutional Deputy PM in the same way that the US has a VP?
Someone mentioned Matt Hancock. I can't stand him personally and nor can a lot of people I know. Something about his face and voice that oozes insincerity on every level.
He'd have handled this 1000x better and I don't believe we'd now be in lockdown.
Some wounds wont heal..0 -
We should all pay more attention to 1. supermarkets and 2. home deliveries. With regard to the latter, this bugger virus can live on surfaces for one to three days and some suggest even longer.
There's no Government information whatsoever on this. In our stampede to tell other people to stop enjoying fresh air we are inviting coronavirus into our homes. Thus not saving lives.
For the record, I have a decontamination room. In there I keep my outdoor clothing and disinfectant. Everything that comes into my house has to first be sprayed and wiped with anti-bacterials. Then I change out of the protective gear and go and wash.
I might still get the bloody thing but I'm not going to take lectures from an inept and incompetent Gov't about my use of fresh air whilst wearing my mask.0 -
This is the problem. Ideally lockdowns and responses to Coronavirus would be localised not national. But experience of Italy and Spain makes that impossible. Lockdown London and leave Devon operating as normal, and London decamps.Foxy said:
Though elsewhere in the country:NerysHughes said:My wife has just been sent home from her day shift at Winchester Hospital, too many nurses not enough patients
BBC News - Coronavirus: The NHS workers wearing bin bags as protection
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52145140
The misery is not evenly spread.0
