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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344

    Floater said:

    Twitter entering into meltdown over a rumoured death

    Who?
    Phil the greek.
    We may have a Dead Pool winner.....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Floater said:

    Twitter entering into meltdown over a rumoured death

    Who?
    Phil the greek.
    What he said
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,578
    eristdoof said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Do other countries have that antibodies test?

    I don't think any country has it yet.
    No, sounds like it.

    Shows my ignorance - I assumed the current test would indicate if somebody has had it and recovered.
    It sounds like there is already a test out there? I thought it was still being developed.
    As far as the latest news goes there is no test yet anywhere that shows you have had the disease. But a fair few labs think they are close. The current increase in testing to 25,000 a day all seems to be based on the current test which will only show if you have the active disease.
    ... if you actually have the active virus. A pedantic but important differenence.
    Corrected for you.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    tyson said:

    Is Boris Johnson seriously saying that he has no intention of changing the Brexit timescales?

    Honestly...we might not have a fucking EU, and the fundamental role of the state may have changed in these months...

    He just needs to deflect the question.....

    Yep Its dumb. Both the question and the response.

    They need to have it beaten into them IT DOESN'T MATTER.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,209
    kinabalu said:

    Not necessarily. I received an email earlier today sent by our school to all parents asking who was a critical worker. Advising that they were working on a contingency plan for one school in the region to look after the children of critical care workers while other schools close.

    Not sure if that's an organised thing or just a local initiative.

    Ah OK. Hadn't thought of that.

    What about fees for privates, I wonder?
    Time to cancel my DD for fees I think.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    eristdoof said:

    Foss said:

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    Crash building for capacity? When I was a boy we just used portakabins.
    In my school too. They were bloody awful.
    Before we moved to Canterbury I went to a primary school in the suburbs of Reading and the portakabins used there were nicknamed "terrapins". I have no idea why.
  • Boris

    Pupils of key workers should turn up at their schools on monday

    Define "key workers" Mr Johnson. NHS staff, police, fire obviously. Supermarket and pharmacy staff I assume. And their supply chains? And the factories who make the food and pharmaceuticals? How about the people who keep phones and broadband running. Power and utilities. Who else?

    How about the "I need to work and have no childcare and my neandertal boss will fire me" worker. Will we now see kids sat in the front of your Amazon delivery van? Etc etc.

    Need to Think Through The Details. Then make announcements. Schools are all closed. Except for children who need to come to school. So schools remain open then...
    Emergency services and health workers was mentioned
  • FossFoss Posts: 991
    eristdoof said:

    Foss said:

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    Crash building for capacity? When I was a boy we just used portakabins.
    In my school too. They were bloody awful.
    Ours had electric radiators which were far better at maintaining a reasonable temperature than the centrally heated radiators in the rest of the school.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Jonathan said:

    Yup we fucked up.

    Not really. Certainly no more than any other generation in history. This really is an 'Act of God' which it would have been impossible or impractical to prepare for.
    Yes, if only the human mind were capable of conceiving of the idea of an epidemic before 2020. But alas,

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270

    eristdoof said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Do other countries have that antibodies test?

    I don't think any country has it yet.
    No, sounds like it.

    Shows my ignorance - I assumed the current test would indicate if somebody has had it and recovered.
    It sounds like there is already a test out there? I thought it was still being developed.
    As far as the latest news goes there is no test yet anywhere that shows you have had the disease. But a fair few labs think they are close. The current increase in testing to 25,000 a day all seems to be based on the current test which will only show if you have the active disease.
    ... if you actually have the active virus. A pedantic but important differenence.
    Corrected for you.
    Thanks oh pedantic but entirely correct ones.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,578

    Floater said:

    Twitter entering into meltdown over a rumoured death

    Who?
    Phil the greek.
    We may have a Dead Pool winner.....
    Point of order - has to be caused by C-19 to qualify.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,114

    Jonathan said:

    Yup we fucked up.

    Not really. Certainly no more than any other generation in history. This really is an 'Act of God' which it would have been impossible or impractical to prepare for.

    What's more, look at the incredible achievements in the response: from a standing start, the genetic sequence of the virus had been completely determined in weeks, and the information disseminated around the world, with candidate vaccines already in clinical trials or about to be.

    Not much help in the immediate crisis, of course, but stunning all the same.
    I think the sharing of data between countries is a real positive
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344

    Floater said:

    Twitter entering into meltdown over a rumoured death

    Who?
    Phil the greek.
    We may have a Dead Pool winner.....
    Point of order - has to be caused by C-19 to qualify.
    I said "may"....
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    edited March 2020
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,578
    Foss said:

    eristdoof said:

    Foss said:

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    Crash building for capacity? When I was a boy we just used portakabins.
    In my school too. They were bloody awful.
    Ours had electric radiators which were far better at maintaining a reasonable temperature than the centrally heated radiators in the rest of the school.
    Our brand new 1960s primary had underfloor heating - which was brilliant. Shame they had to add portakabins within 10 years due to undersizing the school.

    Oh to be 9 or 10 now - 26 weeks holiday to look forward to!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,599
    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,060

    RobD said:

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    Yes. Then align the academic year with the calendar year with everyone moving up a year in January.

    Hard luck to those who make those silly diaries that run from September to August.
    No more summer holidays? :o
    November to January....
    Australia have just before Christmas to just after Australia Day (26th January). Of course that is the summer there!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,700
    Anyway, I'm off. Do play nicely, everyone.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,578

    Floater said:

    Twitter entering into meltdown over a rumoured death

    Who?
    Phil the greek.
    We may have a Dead Pool winner.....
    Point of order - has to be caused by C-19 to qualify.
    I said "may"....
    Yebbut - just clarifying the rules.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    JM1 said:

    tyson said:

    Jonathan said:

    Yup we fucked up.

    Not really. Certainly no more than any other generation in history. This really is an 'Act of God' which it would have been impossible or impractical to prepare for.

    What's more, look at the incredible achievements in the response: from a standing start, the genetic sequence of the virus had been completely determined in weeks, and the information disseminated around the world, with candidate vaccines already in clinical trials or about to be.

    Not much help in the immediate crisis, of course, but stunning all the same.
    I think the sharing of data between countries is a real positive
    Yes - and the very international nature of clinical trials. That will help us, fingers crossed, in the immediate crisis by providing better guidance on which drugs might work.
    This seems good

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8116881/Doctor-claims-breakthrough-stem-cell-injections-treat-coronavirus.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,419

    Floater said:

    Twitter entering into meltdown over a rumoured death

    Who?
    Phil the greek.
    We may have a Dead Pool winner.....
    Point of order - has to be caused by C-19 to qualify.
    I said "may"....
    There is a VAR meme of this.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Jonathan said:

    Yup we fucked up.

    Not really. Certainly no more than any other generation in history. This really is an 'Act of God' which it would have been impossible or impractical to prepare for.
    Yes, if only the human mind were capable of conceiving of the idea of an epidemic before 2020. But alas,

    You can conceive of an epidemic, but that doesn't mean it's practical to remain in a high state of readiness for decades on end on the off-chance that one appears this year. And even by the standards of epidemics, this is exceptional in being both so contagious and deadly, but spreading before symptoms appear.
  • FossFoss Posts: 991
    Christ... I'm going to end up on a bloody list.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344

    Floater said:

    Twitter entering into meltdown over a rumoured death

    Who?
    Phil the greek.
    We may have a Dead Pool winner.....
    Point of order - has to be caused by C-19 to qualify.
    I said "may"....
    Yebbut - just clarifying the rules.
    Hang on to your tickets anyway - for purposes of national morale, it may not be admitted it is C-19 until months later.

    The downside of HRH having succumbed would be endless Nicholas Witchell....
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,048

    Floater said:

    Twitter entering into meltdown over a rumoured death

    Who?
    Phil the greek.
    We may have a Dead Pool winner.....
    Point of order - has to be caused by C-19 to qualify.
    I said "may"....
    There is a VAR meme of this.
    https://twitter.com/beths26_/status/1240331628888629249?s=20
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Foss said:

    Christ... I'm going to end up on a bloody list.

    Foss said:

    Christ... I'm going to end up on a bloody list.

    .
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,283

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,848

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    So as suspected not much for the underlings
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,113

    Jonathan said:

    Yup we fucked up.

    Not really. Certainly no more than any other generation in history. This really is an 'Act of God' which it would have been impossible or impractical to prepare for.
    Yes, if only the human mind were capable of conceiving of the idea of an epidemic before 2020. But alas,

    We did, see David Quammen`s excellent book "Spillover".
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,060
    tyson said:

    glw said:

    It looks very bad, and probably is, but part of that is down to much more testing.
    New York (and sadly London) is going to make Lombardy seem like a children's picnic

    Schools and public transport still open today in London is madness
    If you cut public transport in London then doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers, power station and waterworks workers can't get to work.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    It ain’t worth the effort. Trust me. I’ve tried and I’ve failed. He’s just an unpleasant person.

    On a serious point, I have been pondering how this could be worked if Himself does stick to the policy. A-level History and Geography I might manage with coursework. What about Physics? Could something be done with those controlled practicals you have to do?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    Doesn't mean they know much about them.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,573

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    Exam-wise, it might be the cue for a rethink as to their purpose. Do we need them? GCSEs are basically valueless now the school leaving age is 18 or 21, and even A-levels matter mainly as gatekeepers for university entrance, for which they can easily be replaced.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,060
    edited March 2020
    JM1 said:

    JM1 said:

    tyson said:

    Jonathan said:

    Yup we fucked up.

    Not really. Certainly no more than any other generation in history. This really is an 'Act of God' which it would have been impossible or impractical to prepare for.

    What's more, look at the incredible achievements in the response: from a standing start, the genetic sequence of the virus had been completely determined in weeks, and the information disseminated around the world, with candidate vaccines already in clinical trials or about to be.

    Not much help in the immediate crisis, of course, but stunning all the same.
    I think the sharing of data between countries is a real positive
    Yes - and the very international nature of clinical trials. That will help us, fingers crossed, in the immediate crisis by providing better guidance on which drugs might work.
    This seems good

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8116881/Doctor-claims-breakthrough-stem-cell-injections-treat-coronavirus.html
    Not so convinced by this. Stem cell therapies are very difficult to get right (lots of v nasty side effects). More likely that repurposing of an existing drug will be the best - and some of those trials should report very soon.
    EDit: Sorry block quotes have got infected.
    My comment is below

    I heard on the German news that Macron has requisitioned/ordered lots of a anti-malarial drug as it is having good initial results. I have no more details than that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,344
    Foss said:

    Christ... I'm going to end up on a bloody list.

    Yep
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,135
    Pulpstar said:

    Sadiq should shut the tubes and bus down, can't think of a better breeding ground than that for the virus. Temporarily lift the congestion charge

    Services will be reduced but I don't think it makes sense to shut them down completely.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509

    Boris

    Pupils of key workers should turn up at their schools on monday

    Define "key workers" Mr Johnson. NHS staff, police, fire obviously. Supermarket and pharmacy staff I assume. And their supply chains? And the factories who make the food and pharmaceuticals? How about the people who keep phones and broadband running. Power and utilities. Who else?

    How about the "I need to work and have no childcare and my neandertal boss will fire me" worker. Will we now see kids sat in the front of your Amazon delivery van? Etc etc.

    Need to Think Through The Details. Then make announcements. Schools are all closed. Except for children who need to come to school. So schools remain open then...
    There were only around half the number of kids in my wife's class this morning. I'm pretty sure that's duplicated up and down the country.
    Making it official will cut the number turning up considerably - and making the prevailing situation official is a good idea anyway.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,419
    edited March 2020

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    Exam-wise, it might be the cue for a rethink as to their purpose. Do we need them? GCSEs are basically valueless now the school leaving age is 18 or 21, and even A-levels matter mainly as gatekeepers for university entrance, for which they can easily be replaced.
    Post A-Level applications to uni are the way forward.
  • nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    It is hard to see how universities would be able to take undergraduates in September, anyway. They won't have completed their own core functions for existing UG/PG students.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited March 2020


    Phil the greek.

    Twitter rumour has that happening every month. When it actually happens nobody will believe it - he'll be like Elvis.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    eristdoof said:

    JM1 said:

    JM1 said:

    tyson said:

    Jonathan said:

    Yup we fucked up.

    Not really. Certainly no more than any other generation in history. This really is an 'Act of God' which it would have been impossible or impractical to prepare for.

    What's more, look at the incredible achievements in the response: from a standing start, the genetic sequence of the virus had been completely determined in weeks, and the information disseminated around the world, with candidate vaccines already in clinical trials or about to be.

    Not much help in the immediate crisis, of course, but stunning all the same.
    I think the sharing of data between countries is a real positive
    Yes - and the very international nature of clinical trials. That will help us, fingers crossed, in the immediate crisis by providing better guidance on which drugs might work.
    This seems good

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8116881/Doctor-claims-breakthrough-stem-cell-injections-treat-coronavirus.html
    Not so convinced by this. Stem cell therapies are very difficult to get right (lots of v nasty side effects). More likely that repurposing of an existing drug will be the best - and some of those trials should report very soon.
    EDit: Sorry block quotes have got infected.
    My comment is below

    I heard on the German news that Macron has requisitioned/ordered lots of a anti-malarial drug as it is having good initial results. I have no more details than that.

    That’s chloroquinine, I think. Private sales of it in the Uk were banned a while back, and the NHS has commandeered what stocks there are.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    Exam-wise, it might be the cue for a rethink as to their purpose. Do we need them? GCSEs are basically valueless now the school leaving age is 18 or 21, and even A-levels matter mainly as gatekeepers for university entrance, for which they can easily be replaced.
    Post A-Level applications to uni are the way forward.
    However true, that’s not really a helpful comment on the current situation.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,419

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    It is hard to see how universities would be able to take undergraduates in September, anyway. They won't have completed their own core functions for existing UG/PG students.
    Compulsory gap yaaaaaaaas...
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,283
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    It ain’t worth the effort. Trust me. I’ve tried and I’ve failed. He’s just an unpleasant person.

    On a serious point, I have been pondering how this could be worked if Himself does stick to the policy. A-level History and Geography I might manage with coursework. What about Physics? Could something be done with those controlled practicals you have to do?
    You mean the ones we were trying to finish off before the schools were shut?

    They are pass/fail rather than graded.

    The simplest (though probably not fairest) method is just to give everyone their UCAS prediction.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,419
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    Exam-wise, it might be the cue for a rethink as to their purpose. Do we need them? GCSEs are basically valueless now the school leaving age is 18 or 21, and even A-levels matter mainly as gatekeepers for university entrance, for which they can easily be replaced.
    Post A-Level applications to uni are the way forward.
    However true, that’s not really a helpful comment on the current situation.
    No, I was commenting on the post saying they should just be scraped these days.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    It ain’t worth the effort. Trust me. I’ve tried and I’ve failed. He’s just an unpleasant person.

    On a serious point, I have been pondering how this could be worked if Himself does stick to the policy. A-level History and Geography I might manage with coursework. What about Physics? Could something be done with those controlled practicals you have to do?
    Everyone who's ever been to school thinks themselves an expert on education (I do not except myself from this judgment)....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    It is hard to see how universities would be able to take undergraduates in September, anyway. They won't have completed their own core functions for existing UG/PG students.
    They might not have done anyway, given the lecturers’ strike.
  • DougSeal said:

    eristdoof said:

    Foss said:

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    Crash building for capacity? When I was a boy we just used portakabins.
    In my school too. They were bloody awful.
    Before we moved to Canterbury I went to a primary school in the suburbs of Reading and the portakabins used there were nicknamed "terrapins". I have no idea why.
    Same here, a secondary school the badlands of Bucks. My understanding is that Terrapin was the supplier of prefabs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,419
    edited March 2020
    I am again getting pissed off at the media demanding absolutes. How long to the day will schooled be closed.

    FFS, this is fast moving situation, nobody can truly be sure about anything. It is how the public react, if Boris' Dad and Jezza get in their bloody homes and stay there, how lucky we get with respect to the NHS capacity, etc etc etc.

    I am sure they were tempted to just say that was it for the academic year, but that brings huge problems if things aren't too bad and in 2 months lots of people are going back to work as normal.

    And you also don't want to promise something like 15 days (or as the French call it 2 weeks) knowing that really you are going to be extending that time after time.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,573
    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sadiq should shut the tubes and bus down, can't think of a better breeding ground than that for the virus. Temporarily lift the congestion charge

    Services will be reduced but I don't think it makes sense to shut them down completely.
    Reducing bus and tube services increases passenger congestion, which defeats the purpose. Stopping altogether means people, including key workers like doctors and supermarket toilet roll shelf-stackers cannot get to work.

    And is there much evidence Covid-19 is spread amongst commuters. It seems like it should be but do cases follow tube lines and bus routes? Have TfL scientists been taking samples to check?
  • I see Phil's dead again.

    One of these days, he will actually be dead, and then you'll be sorry.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    You mean the ones we were trying to finish off before the schools were shut?

    They are pass/fail rather than graded.

    The simplest (though probably not fairest) method is just to give everyone their UCAS prediction.

    I can foresee all kinds of pitfalls there...
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    DougSeal said:

    eristdoof said:

    Foss said:

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    Crash building for capacity? When I was a boy we just used portakabins.
    In my school too. They were bloody awful.
    Before we moved to Canterbury I went to a primary school in the suburbs of Reading and the portakabins used there were nicknamed "terrapins". I have no idea why.
    Same here, a secondary school the badlands of Bucks. My understanding is that Terrapin was the supplier of prefabs.
    A particular type of immediately post-war design, often used in schools.

    Yeah, had them in my Reading-based schools up until the 1990s.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    eristdoof said:

    JM1 said:

    JM1 said:

    tyson said:

    Jonathan said:

    Yup we fucked up.

    Not really. Certainly no more than any other generation in history. This really is an 'Act of God' which it would have been impossible or impractical to prepare for.

    What's more, look at the incredible achievements in the response: from a standing start, the genetic sequence of the virus had been completely determined in weeks, and the information disseminated around the world, with candidate vaccines already in clinical trials or about to be.

    Not much help in the immediate crisis, of course, but stunning all the same.
    I think the sharing of data between countries is a real positive
    Yes - and the very international nature of clinical trials. That will help us, fingers crossed, in the immediate crisis by providing better guidance on which drugs might work.
    This seems good

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8116881/Doctor-claims-breakthrough-stem-cell-injections-treat-coronavirus.html
    Not so convinced by this. Stem cell therapies are very difficult to get right (lots of v nasty side effects). More likely that repurposing of an existing drug will be the best - and some of those trials should report very soon.
    EDit: Sorry block quotes have got infected.
    My comment is below

    I heard on the German news that Macron has requisitioned/ordered lots of a anti-malarial drug as it is having good initial results. I have no more details than that.

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/03/18/2226098/french-researcher-posts-successful-covid-19-drug-trial
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,509
    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    It is hard to see how universities would be able to take undergraduates in September, anyway. They won't have completed their own core functions for existing UG/PG students.
    They might not have done anyway, given the lecturers’ strike.
    Reset the academic year to coincide with the calendar year ... ? :smile:
  • Blimey, still going. They could probably knock up Wuhan-style hospitals for all.

    https://terrapinmodularbuildings.wordpress.com/about-terrapin/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    edited March 2020
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    It ain’t worth the effort. Trust me. I’ve tried and I’ve failed. He’s just an unpleasant person.

    On a serious point, I have been pondering how this could be worked if Himself does stick to the policy. A-level History and Geography I might manage with coursework. What about Physics? Could something be done with those controlled practicals you have to do?
    Everyone who's ever been to school thinks themselves an expert on education (I do not except myself from this judgment)....
    I don’t mind people thinking they’re experts on that when they’re not. We’re all guilty of that arrogance to some extent.

    I do object to being roundly and repeatedly abused and told I know nothing about my own job by an oil rig worker and amateur archaeologist whose posts display a profound ignorance of the subject he thinks I don’t understand.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    It is hard to see how universities would be able to take undergraduates in September, anyway. They won't have completed their own core functions for existing UG/PG students.
    My job at the moment is to ensure my department delivers. Very busy few weeks getting everything moved to online submissions for coursework and robust online protocols for assessments.
  • nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    It is hard to see how universities would be able to take undergraduates in September, anyway. They won't have completed their own core functions for existing UG/PG students.
    Compulsory gap yaaaaaaaas...
    Everyone qualifies early. They have to get the final year out the door - there won't be accommodation for them anyway.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    edited March 2020

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    Pedant mode. Isn't that 7% of every asset on that particular exchange?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,573

    I am again getting pissed off at the media demanding absolutes. How long to the day will schooled be closed.

    FFS, this is fast moving situation, nobody can truly be sure about anything. It is how the public react, if Boris Dad and Jezza get in their bloody homes and stay there, how lucky we get with respect to the NHS capacity, etc etc etc.

    If HMG has cancelled exams that take place in the summer, then presumably schools will shut for months, not reopening till September and possibly not even then.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,419
    edited March 2020

    I am again getting pissed off at the media demanding absolutes. How long to the day will schooled be closed.

    FFS, this is fast moving situation, nobody can truly be sure about anything. It is how the public react, if Boris Dad and Jezza get in their bloody homes and stay there, how lucky we get with respect to the NHS capacity, etc etc etc.

    If HMG has cancelled exams that take place in the summer, then presumably schools will shut for months, not reopening till September and possibly not even then.
    I think that is definitely the presumption, but (big but) if things don't turn out as bad as feared, we could end up with the opposite problem, loads of parents going back to work as normal and nowhere to leave the kids.

    And then if he said, right we are re-opening them, it was be all about massive U-Turn, poor planning, etc.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,599
    Pagan2 said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    So as suspected not much for the underlings
    I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,114
    edited March 2020

    tyson said:

    Is Boris Johnson seriously saying that he has no intention of changing the Brexit timescales?

    Honestly...we might not have a fucking EU, and the fundamental role of the state may have changed in these months...

    He just needs to deflect the question.....

    Yep Its dumb. Both the question and the response.

    They need to have it beaten into them IT DOESN'T MATTER.
    It's such a dumb question to ask at this time- it just just creating division when we need to pull together....

    Anything now is on the cards if Covid 19 carries on it's path of devastation ....that microbe is one hell of a plucky motherfucker...it's tough enough finding a home in a bat, never mind jumping into a pangolin...and living...and then remarkably jumping into a human's gob- and managing to get into the human's lungs still intact..and then thriving....and the more it thrives the more it knows...like the little fucker knew how to get into Bergamo from Wuhan. Who would've thought that? It fucking sussed out the Ryanair cheap flying slots to spread quickly around the world. Crazy but true.

    And now the malicious twat has set it's sights full throttle on bringing down the global economy, of fucking up the financial system and bringing the whole thing down like a stack of dominoes.....the bastard isn't bothering with the fragile countries of Africa like it's distant cousin, Mr Ebola....small fry....no... Covid 19 is much more cunning..... this little shit is aiming for the jugular of global capitalism at a full speed of knots.... and I cannot see anything stopping it. Can you?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    edited March 2020
    The Dow about to have sniff of 19000 and the FTSE of life below 5000
  • From a University admissions point of view, if we have to move to lockdown (which is clearly coming), the building blocks aren't in place for September entry, event without A level results.

    Interviews for some courses e.g. teaching, nursing, midwifery haven't been completed, the Student Loans Company/Student Awards Agency for Scotland need to play their part etc etc.

    The case for post qualification applications has been made quite clearly now.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226

    Pagan2 said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    So as suspected not much for the underlings
    I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
    They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,283
    ydoethur said:

    You mean the ones we were trying to finish off before the schools were shut?

    They are pass/fail rather than graded.

    The simplest (though probably not fairest) method is just to give everyone their UCAS prediction.

    I can foresee all kinds of pitfalls there...
    I didn’t say it was a good solution, just a simple one. I’m not sure if there is a good solution though.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,060
    Angela Merkel giving a national address at the moment.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,283
    Anyway, back to old episodes of TimeTeam. Have a safe evening everyone.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    edited March 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    It ain’t worth the effort. Trust me. I’ve tried and I’ve failed. He’s just an unpleasant person.

    On a serious point, I have been pondering how this could be worked if Himself does stick to the policy. A-level History and Geography I might manage with coursework. What about Physics? Could something be done with those controlled practicals you have to do?
    Everyone who's ever been to school thinks themselves an expert on education (I do not except myself from this judgment)....
    I don’t mind people thinking they’re experts on that when they’re not. We’re all guilty of that arrogance to some extent.

    I do object to being roundly and repeatedly abused and told I know nothing about my own job by an oil rig worker and amateur archaeologist whose posts display a profound ignorance of the subject he thinks I don’t understand.
    Fuck you you ignorant shit.

    It is you with your fucking arrogance thinking you always know best who is at fault here. You have this attitude that no one except you can possibly know anything about students except you and the other teachers. You know more than parents, than families, than those of us who work with kids outside of school and more than even the kids know themselves.

    Then you have the audacity to use that false omnipotence to attack the Government for not doing exactly what you want at exactly the time you want it.

    You are a teacher. Not a fucking world expert on everything to do with our children. And certainly not an expert when it comes to making decisions affecting all of our lives.

    Show some fucking humility for once.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
    The issue is what does the local cafe do when it is shut down, do they continue to pay their staff to do nothing or does the owner pocket the money? That’s the situation in 1000s of businesses. A local initiative to harness this excess labour into food distribution, mask production etc would be ideal but I don’t see that happening. Just because £300B has been put in does not, as yet protect a single job without something to back it up.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774
    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    So as suspected not much for the underlings
    I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
    They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
    You are such a shit.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,806
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
    The issue is what does the local cafe do when it is shut down, do they continue to pay their staff to do nothing or does the owner pocket the money? That’s the situation in 1000s of businesses. A local initiative to harness this excess labour into food distribution, mask production etc would be ideal but I don’t see that happening. Just because £300B has been put in does not, as yet protect a single job without something to back it up.
    I would have assumed that the loans are tied to certain conditions. The first of which is you don't fire your staff.
  • eristdoof said:

    Angela Merkel giving a national address at the moment.

    Disappointing. No "amazing, fantastic, incredible, terrific, world leading, etc.".
  • booksellerbookseller Posts: 504

    I am again getting pissed off at the media demanding absolutes. How long to the day will schooled be closed.

    FFS, this is fast moving situation, nobody can truly be sure about anything. It is how the public react, if Boris Dad and Jezza get in their bloody homes and stay there, how lucky we get with respect to the NHS capacity, etc etc etc.

    If HMG has cancelled exams that take place in the summer, then presumably schools will shut for months, not reopening till September and possibly not even then.
    Sturgeon said no guarantee that schools will reopen until after the Summer holidays. Been speaking to a couple of my teacher friends, and they say - privately - that schools will be reorganised into 'key worker' creches, and now that all exams have been cancelled, it's a case of managing this and resetting in the Autumn.

    In my house, the news of school closures has been greeted by the younger members with a certain sombreness...

    ...akin to telling them that 'Santa has been' when they were about six...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    So as suspected not much for the underlings
    I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
    They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
    You are such a shit.
    You are a partisan fanatic
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What sort of imbecile announces that exams are cancelled but refuses to explain what system he has put in place to replace them?

    Twat.

    He clearly hasn’t even spoken to Ofqual or the JCQ yet.

    I am expecting to find my students in a panic tomorrow and I don’t blame them.

    Because these things take time to organise but closing schools won't wait.

    If he had announced the schools were closing but made no mention of exams you would have been screaming about that as well.

    Basically you will never be satisfied by anything he says, which reflects far more on you than it does on the Government.
    No I wouldn’t. I would have expected him to make a call on that later.
    Then your students would have been in an even greater panic tomorrow. Schools closed but they might still have to take their exams? That would really have upset things.

    This was literally the only thing they cold have done at this point. Delaying closing the schools would have been unconscionable, closing schools but making no comment on exams or saying they would still go ahead would be terrible.

    They have closed the schools as lots of teachers were screaming for them to do and have said that no child will lose out because of missing exams. What else would you have them do?
    You know, I was going to reply in detail, but it’s not worth it. You don’t understand and you don’t care, and you never will.
    LOL. I do love it when teachers think they are the only ones who know anything about kids.

    To use your earlier description.

    Twat.

    How many 16 year olds have you known in your life? Teachers may have taught thousands.

    It ain’t worth the effort. Trust me. I’ve tried and I’ve failed. He’s just an unpleasant person.

    On a serious point, I have been pondering how this could be worked if Himself does stick to the policy. A-level History and Geography I might manage with coursework. What about Physics? Could something be done with those controlled practicals you have to do?
    Everyone who's ever been to school thinks themselves an expert on education (I do not except myself from this judgment)....
    I don’t mind people thinking they’re experts on that when they’re not. We’re all guilty of that arrogance to some extent.

    I do object to being roundly and repeatedly abused and told I know nothing about my own job by an oil rig worker and amateur archaeologist whose posts display a profound ignorance of the subject he thinks I don’t understand.
    Fuck you you ignorant shit.

    It is you with your fucking arrogance thinking you always know best who is at fault here. You have this attitude that no one except you can possibly know anything about students except you and the other teachers. You know more than parents, than families, than those of us who work with kids outside of school and more than even the kids know themselves.

    Then you have the audacity to use that false omnipotence to attack the Government for not doing exactly what you want at exactly the time you want it.

    You are a teacher. Not a fucking world expert on everything to do with our children. And certainly not an expert when it comes to making decisions affecting all of our lives.

    Show some fucking humility for once.
    @PBModerator

    Posted without comment.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,491
    Just thinking about the US Democrat primary, and the possibility of Burny pulling out:

    All numbers are from the Wikipidia page and May not be total accurate.

    Total Deligats: 3,979
    Awarded so far: 2,224
    Still To award: 1,755
    Needed to win: 1,990 (on first round)

    Bidden: 1,179
    Sanders: 884
    All others: 162

    So to win they need

    Bidden: 811
    Sanders: 1,106

    Which as a % of remaining deligaets

    Biden: 46.2%
    Sanders: 63.0%

    In reality Biden could get as low as 37.1% of the remaining deligats and then go to the second round where the supper deligats may swing it for him.

    largest % for Sanders so far:

    Northern Marianas: 63% (caucus)
    North Dakota: 53% (caucus)
    Vermont: 51% (home state)
    Idaho: 43%
    Navarro 40% (caucus)
    Colorado 37%

    I don't think this is new to anybody on here, but as I was calculating for myself thought I would share
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
    The issue is what does the local cafe do when it is shut down, do they continue to pay their staff to do nothing or does the owner pocket the money? That’s the situation in 1000s of businesses. A local initiative to harness this excess labour into food distribution, mask production etc would be ideal but I don’t see that happening. Just because £300B has been put in does not, as yet protect a single job without something to back it up.
    It does if it keeps the business going
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,060
    edited March 2020

    eristdoof said:

    Angela Merkel giving a national address at the moment.

    Disappointing. No "amazing, fantastic, incredible, terrific, world leading, etc.".
    ... but "it is serious and it is in the open."

    I thought it was a very good speech, even if the content was for us fairly predictable.
    The most interesting point was how difficult it is for her to close the borders, because she knows what it is like to like in a country with closed borders.
  • BigRich said:

    Just thinking about the US Democrat primary, and the possibility of Burny pulling out:

    All numbers are from the Wikipidia page and May not be total accurate.

    Total Deligats: 3,979
    Awarded so far: 2,224
    Still To award: 1,755
    Needed to win: 1,990 (on first round)

    Bidden: 1,179
    Sanders: 884
    All others: 162

    So to win they need

    Bidden: 811
    Sanders: 1,106

    Which as a % of remaining deligaets

    Biden: 46.2%
    Sanders: 63.0%

    In reality Biden could get as low as 37.1% of the remaining deligats and then go to the second round where the supper deligats may swing it for him.

    largest % for Sanders so far:

    Northern Marianas: 63% (caucus)
    North Dakota: 53% (caucus)
    Vermont: 51% (home state)
    Idaho: 43%
    Navarro 40% (caucus)
    Colorado 37%

    I don't think this is new to anybody on here, but as I was calculating for myself thought I would share

    That's great, thanks.

    The maths is impossible for Sanders now, but he'll hang on until the bitter end and waste everyone's time I imagine.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,848
    HYUFD said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
    No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    So as suspected not much for the underlings
    I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
    They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
    You are such a shit.
    @PB Moderator

    Equally posted without comment, we should not just have one rule for Richard while leftwing PBers get off with abuse
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900


    The maths is impossible for Sanders now, but he'll hang on until the bitter end and waste everyone's time I imagine.

    Not to mention get lots of people infected by going to the polls.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,853
    Careful all, high blood pressure is a relevant comorbidity factor for COVID-19.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,226

    BigRich said:

    Just thinking about the US Democrat primary, and the possibility of Burny pulling out:

    All numbers are from the Wikipidia page and May not be total accurate.

    Total Deligats: 3,979
    Awarded so far: 2,224
    Still To award: 1,755
    Needed to win: 1,990 (on first round)

    Bidden: 1,179
    Sanders: 884
    All others: 162

    So to win they need

    Bidden: 811
    Sanders: 1,106

    Which as a % of remaining deligaets

    Biden: 46.2%
    Sanders: 63.0%

    In reality Biden could get as low as 37.1% of the remaining deligats and then go to the second round where the supper deligats may swing it for him.

    largest % for Sanders so far:

    Northern Marianas: 63% (caucus)
    North Dakota: 53% (caucus)
    Vermont: 51% (home state)
    Idaho: 43%
    Navarro 40% (caucus)
    Colorado 37%

    I don't think this is new to anybody on here, but as I was calculating for myself thought I would share

    That's great, thanks.

    The maths is impossible for Sanders now, but he'll hang on until the bitter end and waste everyone's time I imagine.
    Trump meanwhile passed the delegate threshold to be GOP nominee last night
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,848
    HYUFD said:

    Pagan2 said:

    On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.

    So as suspected not much for the underlings
    I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
    They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
    and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 662
    @HYUFD - it applied to all. Things are getting a bit too heated in here.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    I wonder what pb will be like after 80 days self isolation on a boiling hot summers evening! The economy might yet be saved by an increased demand for moderators.

    As long as SeanT doesn't start moonlighting as a mod...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,419
    Pulpstar said:

    Careful all, high blood pressure is a relevant comorbidity factor for COVID-19.

    I better stop watching the media and looking at twitter then...
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,050
    edited March 2020
    On the other hand each debate is a once in a lifetime chance to raise the health issue at a time of national emergency for him. At the same time I wouldn't favour him staying in too much longer.

    He's extracted some commitments from Biden on university tuition by staying in. Now he should extract some commitments on healthcare, and then pull out.
  • Andrew said:


    The maths is impossible for Sanders now, but he'll hang on until the bitter end and waste everyone's time I imagine.

    Not to mention get lots of people infected by going to the polls.
    Even the Labour Party can manage postal voting, it shouldn't be beyond the wit of man for the Dems to make arrangements.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    nichomar said:

    RobD said:

    Jonathan said:

    No GCSEs. Fuck.

    Well, they'll be done eventually.
    When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
    I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
    It is hard to see how universities would be able to take undergraduates in September, anyway. They won't have completed their own core functions for existing UG/PG students.
    Compulsory gap yaaaaaaaas...
    National service?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,420
    edited March 2020
    Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?

    Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
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