On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
I would be surprised if this money was no strings attached. Surely there will be a condition that you can't fire staff. The whole point of the scheme is to cover those fixed costs.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
Are rich people getting bailed out?
This depends how onerous the conditions for the loans are, and how far they're tied to keeping workers on.
I will also be concerned if we don't hear more about employment support and incomes policy fairly soon-ish.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
This bailout will help low income workers as much as rich workers keep their jobs and the banks bailout was done by a Labour government
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
I would be surprised if this money was no strings attached. Surely there will be a condition that you can't fire staff. The whole point of the scheme is to cover those fixed costs.
So can we build on the question of what we could do with this pool of labour that would be positive to society.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
Are rich people getting bailed out?
The govt are giving guarantees to banks for home owners mortgage payments. They are not offering the equivalent to renters.
Given home owners are on average richer than renters it shouldnt be controversial that the support is more targeted at the rich.
Similarly, little has been done for those in the gig economy or sole traders beyond offering a pitiful amount of SSP or benefits for those needing to isolate.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
I would be surprised if this money was no strings attached. Surely there will be a condition that you can't fire staff. The whole point of the scheme is to cover those fixed costs.
So can we build on the question of what we could do with this pool of labour that would be positive to society.
Get them out delivering food to those who need it.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
Are rich people getting bailed out?
home owners are, business owners are....people with nothing but a minimum wage job not so much
It’s worth thinking of OGH who’s income stream from internet betting referrals has dried up, he should not be to reluctant to ask for help to keep the site going.
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
Went to a small registry office wedding today as I'd been asked to do the reading months ago. One of the 3 other guests grumbled about how exaggerated the virus was and how people were over-reacting - "They're even asking for rent freezes! I believe in middle-class values, why can't people put money aside for the unexpected. What about helping the landlords?" I said that many people were actually in debt and could barely make ends meet, so putting money aside wasn't practical for them. He reiterated trenchantly, "I don't hold with that, as I said I believe in middle-class values."
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
It’s worth thinking of OGH who’s income stream from internet betting referrals has dried up, he should not be to reluctant to ask for help to keep the site going.
Yeah, there used to be a paypal button. Happy to chip in a few bob.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
As that money if the business goes under will last them for a few months at most, keeping the business going will provide an income indefinitely once cafes can be visited again
It’s worth thinking of OGH who’s income stream from internet betting referrals has dried up, he should not be to reluctant to ask for help to keep the site going.
Is there still a Donate button? I haven't seen it recently.
When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
Crash building for capacity? When I was a boy we just used portakabins.
In my school too. They were bloody awful.
Before we moved to Canterbury I went to a primary school in the suburbs of Reading and the portakabins used there were nicknamed "terrapins". I have no idea why.
Same here, a secondary school the badlands of Bucks. My understanding is that Terrapin was the supplier of prefabs.
I had long suspected that but you are the first person who has supplied any outside verification!
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
Went to a small registry office wedding today as I'd been asked to do the reading months ago. One of the 3 other guests grumbled about how exaggerated the virus was and how people were over-reacting - "They're even asking for rent freezes! I believe in middle-class values, why can't people put money aside for the unexpected. What about helping the landlords?" I said that many people were actually in debt and could barely make ends meet, so putting money aside wasn't practical for them. He reiterated trenchantly, "I don't hold with that, as I said I believe in middle-class values."
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
Back to isolation!
I was brought up to believe that once in work, you should always try to have three months wages available in case of a rainy day.
When you talk about people being in debt, I guess you don't mean having a mortgage, do you?
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
Went to a small registry office wedding today as I'd been asked to do the reading months ago. One of the 3 other guests grumbled about how exaggerated the virus was and how people were over-reacting - "They're even asking for rent freezes! I believe in middle-class values, why can't people put money aside for the unexpected. What about helping the landlords?" I said that many people were actually in debt and could barely make ends meet, so putting money aside wasn't practical for them. He reiterated trenchantly, "I don't hold with that, as I said I believe in middle-class values."
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
Back to isolation!
I doubt he understands that QE, housing benefit and govt props have supported landlords to the tune of hundreds of billions whilst the rest of the country went through austerity. Not many people do.
When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
Crash building for capacity? When I was a boy we just used portakabins.
In my school too. They were bloody awful.
Before we moved to Canterbury I went to a primary school in the suburbs of Reading and the portakabins used there were nicknamed "terrapins". I have no idea why.
Same here, a secondary school the badlands of Bucks. My understanding is that Terrapin was the supplier of prefabs.
A particular type of immediately post-war design, often used in schools.
Yeah, had them in my Reading-based schools up until the 1990s.
Thank you. This has been a mystery much of my life.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
Are rich people getting bailed out?
The govt are giving guarantees to banks for home owners mortgage payments. They are not offering the equivalent to renters.
Given home owners are on average richer than renters it shouldnt be controversial that the support is more targeted at the rich.
Similarly, little has been done for those in the gig economy or sole traders beyond offering a pitiful amount of SSP or benefits for those needing to isolate.
A UBI of £1000/month to every adult that earnt less than £50k last year needs to happen. I personally will default on my rent in 2 months now that I cannot work over April. That being said, I have no concerns about being evicted. The police will be too busy to respond to landlords reporting tenants stopping themselves from being evicted.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
As that money if the business goes under will last them for a few months at most, keeping the business going will provide an income indefinitely once cafes can be visited again
Yes the business owner gets to keep their business the staff get shafted and thrown on the dole,,,,,you are a sick individual with brazen balls to have the nerve to come and claim it does anything to help the poorest workers. Get your head out from between your buttocks you apologist for scum
When? After the kids have started their A-Levels? And A-Levels after they have started their degree courses? Award the certificates based on work to date and thus the predicted grade and move on. As a recruiting manager I don't really care what someone got in lower stages of education - GSCEs and A-Levsl are stepping stones.
I suggested earlier just reset the school year through the system so they all start again in September, crash building program for new year -1 and additional teachers. To include universities as well
Crash building for capacity? When I was a boy we just used portakabins.
In my school too. They were bloody awful.
Before we moved to Canterbury I went to a primary school in the suburbs of Reading and the portakabins used there were nicknamed "terrapins". I have no idea why.
Same here, a secondary school the badlands of Bucks. My understanding is that Terrapin was the supplier of prefabs.
I had long suspected that but you are the first person who has supplied any outside verification!
We didn't have terrapins. But we had several teachers who tortus.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
Went to a small registry office wedding today as I'd been asked to do the reading months ago. One of the 3 other guests grumbled about how exaggerated the virus was and how people were over-reacting - "They're even asking for rent freezes! I believe in middle-class values, why can't people put money aside for the unexpected. What about helping the landlords?" I said that many people were actually in debt and could barely make ends meet, so putting money aside wasn't practical for them. He reiterated trenchantly, "I don't hold with that, as I said I believe in middle-class values."
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
Back to isolation!
I doubt he understands that QE, housing benefit and govt props have supported landlords to the tune of hundreds of billions whilst the rest of the country went through austerity. Not many people do.
I'm 33. In my 11 years of work, all I've known is ultra low interest rates. I'd love nothing more than to see house prices collapse (although I'd probably be out of work in such circumstances). Unfortunately, all the political parties are signed up to keeping house prices high, even if they won't admit it.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
Are rich people getting bailed out?
The govt are giving guarantees to banks for home owners mortgage payments. They are not offering the equivalent to renters.
Given home owners are on average richer than renters it shouldnt be controversial that the support is more targeted at the rich.
Similarly, little has been done for those in the gig economy or sole traders beyond offering a pitiful amount of SSP or benefits for those needing to isolate.
A UBI of £1000/month to every adult that earnt less than £50k last year needs to happen. I personally will default on my rent in 2 months now that I cannot work over April. That being said, I have no concerns about being evicted. The police will be too busy to respond to landlords reporting tenants stopping themselves from being evicted.
It will be illegal to be evicted for non payment of rent anyway
As I posted earlier I don't care about party politics at the moment. There is a couple of posters at either extreme who are frankly amusing rather than annoying. Lets take a breath and a step back:
1. This is the biggest crisis this country has faced since the war. Its more complicated than the war because the enemy is a virus carried amongst us. That makes for mega pressure 2. The government on the whole are doing a good job. The situation is evolving at huge speed and as a consequence very big things are having to be reduced to simple concepts and rolled out quickly 3. This by definition will leave people initially confused and angry about what has been announced and what hasn't. You could swap out this government for any previous one of your fancy and the issues would be the same. 4. Some of the partisanship makes those saying it look like utter fools. On one hand Labour activists banging on about "private sector profiteering" with beds provided at cost cheaper than the NHS can do. On the other we have the likes of HYUFD as a PB Comical Ali insisting that everything is being run to perfection in fine detail and that no Consternation and Uproar exists. 5. Whatever is announced will not be sufficient in a situation like this. I literally roared at the car radio when Sunak announced £330bn. Not because that makes everything alright - there are so many holes in the announced plan as to make it worthless right now (no matter what Comical HYUFD says). But the intent is clear - whatever it takes, as much money as it takes. 6. So people need to take a breath and think. This going to get worse - a lot worse - before it eventually gets better. I assume that schools shut for the summer means GCSE and A-Level students graduate based on predicted grades because thats my and most teachers definitions of fair. My eldest is involved so I am Concerned for him. But I am not screaming epithets at Williamson for not having worked out every detail. Nor am I insisting the plan is resplendent in its brilliance with all considerations taken care of.
Final point. Would anyone here want to be PM right now? Or a senior minister? Or a senior adviser or civil servant? So many have ranty/daft opinions on their performance but secretly are quite happy to not be the one making the decisions.
I'm not sure I am on board with the 'whatever it takes' slogan. If we all have to self immolate using cheap petrol as the ultimate Corona attack plan, I am not up for it.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
Went to a small registry office wedding today as I'd been asked to do the reading months ago. One of the 3 other guests grumbled about how exaggerated the virus was and how people were over-reacting - "They're even asking for rent freezes! I believe in middle-class values, why can't people put money aside for the unexpected. What about helping the landlords?" I said that many people were actually in debt and could barely make ends meet, so putting money aside wasn't practical for them. He reiterated trenchantly, "I don't hold with that, as I said I believe in middle-class values."
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
Back to isolation!
I doubt he understands that QE, housing benefit and govt props have supported landlords to the tune of hundreds of billions whilst the rest of the country went through austerity. Not many people do.
I'm 33. In my 11 years of work, all I've known is ultra low interest rates. I'd love nothing more than to see house prices collapse (although I'd probably be out of work in such circumstances). Unfortunately, all the political parties are signed up to keeping house prices high, even if they won't admit it.
All I have to show for my 6 years of work prior to my attempted career change is the tiny amount of equity I have in my house. If house prices collapse I’m screwed.
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
No and as you say the vast bailout is to help most of those on low wages keep their jobs
The Vast bailout,
1) Is to give the would the impression that the government is doing something and keep the government popular. 2) to keep money flowing to the varies speshall interest groups that the government (or all partys) normally fevers anyway.
Angela Merkel giving a national address at the moment.
Has she spent 20 minutes blaming VVVChina?
Didn't Mention China once. In fact I don't think she mentioned any other country! She did mention the war though!
One thing she did do was to especially thank (supermarket) cashiers, whose work is seldom recognised in this crisis.
I think that is great: a friend of mine with COPD works in a Supermarket, including as a cashier. If she gets the virus she could get very ill indeed.
My wife phoned our asda this evening to pass on our appreciation to their staff for the work they're doing while getting regular abuse from some customers.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
As that money if the business goes under will last them for a few months at most, keeping the business going will provide an income indefinitely once cafes can be visited again
Yes the business owner gets to keep their business the staff get shafted and thrown on the dole,,,,,you are a sick individual with brazen balls to have the nerve to come and claim it does anything to help the poorest workers. Get your head out from between your buttocks you apologist for scum
No, if the business goes under it goes under, if it stays a going concern through the crisis it can continue again after with the workers still in place.
You are a fanatical leftwinger who would oppose anything this government would do and someone who I would suggest the moderators also ask to watch their language
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
As that money if the business goes under will last them for a few months at most, keeping the business going will provide an income indefinitely once cafes can be visited again
Yes the business owner gets to keep their business the staff get shafted and thrown on the dole,,,,,you are a sick individual with brazen balls to have the nerve to come and claim it does anything to help the poorest workers. Get your head out from between your buttocks you apologist for scum
No, if the business goes under it goes under, if it stays a going concern through the crisis it can continue again after with the workers still in place.
You are a fanatical leftwinger who would oppose anything this government would do and someone who I woild suggest the moderators also ask to watch their language
I am not a left winger at all, I am on the libertarian scale . A lot of small business owners though are being bailed out and just using the money to mothball their business for the duration. I oppose that it is socialism for the haves in society while the poor get told tough....we wont let them do no fault evictions from what I hear is all that has been offered
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
Went to a small registry office wedding today as I'd been asked to do the reading months ago. One of the 3 other guests grumbled about how exaggerated the virus was and how people were over-reacting - "They're even asking for rent freezes! I believe in middle-class values, why can't people put money aside for the unexpected. What about helping the landlords?" I said that many people were actually in debt and could barely make ends meet, so putting money aside wasn't practical for them. He reiterated trenchantly, "I don't hold with that, as I said I believe in middle-class values."
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
Back to isolation!
I doubt he understands that QE, housing benefit and govt props have supported landlords to the tune of hundreds of billions whilst the rest of the country went through austerity. Not many people do.
I'm 33. In my 11 years of work, all I've known is ultra low interest rates. I'd love nothing more than to see house prices collapse (although I'd probably be out of work in such circumstances). Unfortunately, all the political parties are signed up to keeping house prices high, even if they won't admit it.
All I have to show for my 6 years of work prior to my attempted career change is the tiny amount of equity I have in my house. If house prices collapse I’m screwed.
And therein lies the problem. They can never be allowed to fall because those who had just got on the ladder will be thoroughly pissed off.
I'm not sure I am on board with the 'whatever it takes' slogan. If we all have to self immolate using cheap petrol as the ultimate Corona attack plan, I am not up for it.
"Beating Boris around the head with an inflated puffer fish...."
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
No and as you say the vast bailout is to help most of those on low wages keep their jobs
The Vast bailout,
1) Is to give the would the impression that the government is doing something and keep the government popular. 2) to keep money flowing to the varies speshall interest groups that the government (or all partys) normally fevers anyway.
It is going to every business large or small which needs them yo keep them and the economy going
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
Went to a small registry office wedding today as I'd been asked to do the reading months ago. One of the 3 other guests grumbled about how exaggerated the virus was and how people were over-reacting - "They're even asking for rent freezes! I believe in middle-class values, why can't people put money aside for the unexpected. What about helping the landlords?" I said that many people were actually in debt and could barely make ends meet, so putting money aside wasn't practical for them. He reiterated trenchantly, "I don't hold with that, as I said I believe in middle-class values."
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
Back to isolation!
I doubt he understands that QE, housing benefit and govt props have supported landlords to the tune of hundreds of billions whilst the rest of the country went through austerity. Not many people do.
I'm 33. In my 11 years of work, all I've known is ultra low interest rates. I'd love nothing more than to see house prices collapse (although I'd probably be out of work in such circumstances). Unfortunately, all the political parties are signed up to keeping house prices high, even if they won't admit it.
All I have to show for my 6 years of work prior to my attempted career change is the tiny amount of equity I have in my house. If house prices collapse I’m screwed.
And therein lies the problem. They can never be allowed to fall because those who had just got on the ladder will be thoroughly pissed off.
I’d be entirely happy with an extended period of stagnation. I have no desires or expectation of making any capital gains.
As I posted earlier I don't care about party politics at the moment. There is a couple of posters at either extreme who are frankly amusing rather than annoying. Lets take a breath and a step back:
1. This is the biggest crisis this country has faced since the war. Its more complicated than the war because the enemy is a virus carried amongst us. That makes for mega pressure 2. The government on the whole are doing a good job. The situation is evolving at huge speed and as a consequence very big things are having to be reduced to simple concepts and rolled out quickly 3. This by definition will leave people initially confused and angry about what has been announced and what hasn't. You could swap out this government for any previous one of your fancy and the issues would be the same. 4. Some of the partisanship makes those saying it look like utter fools. On one hand Labour activists banging on about "private sector profiteering" with beds provided at cost cheaper than the NHS can do. On the other we have the likes of HYUFD as a PB Comical Ali insisting that everything is being run to perfection in fine detail and that no Consternation and Uproar exists. 5. Whatever is announced will not be sufficient in a situation like this. I literally roared at the car radio when Sunak announced £330bn. Not because that makes everything alright - there are so many holes in the announced plan as to make it worthless right now (no matter what Comical HYUFD says). But the intent is clear - whatever it takes, as much money as it takes. 6. So people need to take a breath and think. This going to get worse - a lot worse - before it eventually gets better. I assume that schools shut for the summer means GCSE and A-Level students graduate based on predicted grades because thats my and most teachers definitions of fair. My eldest is involved so I am Concerned for him. But I am not screaming epithets at Williamson for not having worked out every detail. Nor am I insisting the plan is resplendent in its brilliance with all considerations taken care of.
Final point. Would anyone here want to be PM right now? Or a senior minister? Or a senior adviser or civil servant? So many have ranty/daft opinions on their performance but secretly are quite happy to not be the one making the decisions.
They are in the chair when the music stopped , just as Labour were in 2007/08. I would not anticipate any thanks from the public.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
Went to a small registry office wedding today as I'd been asked to do the reading months ago. One of the 3 other guests grumbled about how exaggerated the virus was and how people were over-reacting - "They're even asking for rent freezes! I believe in middle-class values, why can't people put money aside for the unexpected. What about helping the landlords?" I said that many people were actually in debt and could barely make ends meet, so putting money aside wasn't practical for them. He reiterated trenchantly, "I don't hold with that, as I said I believe in middle-class values."
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
Back to isolation!
I doubt he understands that QE, housing benefit and govt props have supported landlords to the tune of hundreds of billions whilst the rest of the country went through austerity. Not many people do.
I'm 33. In my 11 years of work, all I've known is ultra low interest rates. I'd love nothing more than to see house prices collapse (although I'd probably be out of work in such circumstances). Unfortunately, all the political parties are signed up to keeping house prices high, even if they won't admit it.
The simmple ans best way to 'recover the econamy' after this is all over would be to allow house building on a large scall by radicaly reforming the planing rules:
a) increasing supply would radically reduce pries and rents. b) it would quickly create a lot of jobs c) the result would be more and better houses which last a long time. d) no need to increase spending, borrowing or taxes
but will not happen, as the decrees in house prises would make home owners feel poor and home owners are mostly old and they vote.
I'm not sure I am on board with the 'whatever it takes' slogan. If we all have to self immolate using cheap petrol as the ultimate Corona attack plan, I am not up for it.
"Beating Boris around the head with an inflated puffer fish...."
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Equally posted without comment, we should not just have one rule for Richard while leftwing PBers get off with abuse
IanB2, left wing? You should get out a bit more,.... once the Corona-Crisis is over of course :-)
Of course he is leftwing and increasingly rude with it
I know many people who are much more to the left. Nick_Palmer is one clear example on PB. You are viewing it from the right.
It does not excuse the insults though.
He wouldn't know a left winger he accused me of being one and I am someone who considers Johnson dangerously left wing. HYUFD though its not about left or right its tory party wrong or right
Apparently the 475 deaths excludes data from Parma and Campania. Parma has reported 34 new deaths, so Italy becomes the first nation to officially pass 500 deaths in a day.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
As that money if the business goes under will last them for a few months at most, keeping the business going will provide an income indefinitely once cafes can be visited again
Yes the business owner gets to keep their business the staff get shafted and thrown on the dole,,,,,you are a sick individual with brazen balls to have the nerve to come and claim it does anything to help the poorest workers. Get your head out from between your buttocks you apologist for scum
No, if the business goes under it goes under, if it stays a going concern through the crisis it can continue again after with the workers still in place.
You are a fanatical leftwinger who would oppose anything this government would do and someone who I woild suggest the moderators also ask to watch their language
I am not a left winger at all, I am on the libertarian scale . A lot of small business owners though are being bailed out and just using the money to mothball their business for the duration. I oppose that it is socialism for the haves in society while the poor get told tough....we wont let them do no fault evictions from what I hear is all that has been offered
No you are a leftwinger and the idea you are a libertarian is laughable. If you were a libertarian you would back no bailouts at all, no statutory sick pay and no non contributory welfare state. You would also oppose a ban on evictions for non payment of rent. Most small business owners are not rich either
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Equally posted without comment, we should not just have one rule for Richard while leftwing PBers get off with abuse
IanB2, left wing? You should get out a bit more,.... once the Corona-Crisis is over of course :-)
Of course he is leftwing and increasingly rude with it
I know many people who are much more to the left. Nick_Palmer is one clear example on PB. You are viewing it from the right.
It does not excuse the insults though.
Does he vote Tory? No, he is a leftwinger whatever version of it you use and agree the insults are inexcusable
Get over yourself not voting Tory doesnt make you a left winger I don't vote tory because they are a party of the big state and authoritarian before all this kicked off
Apparently the 475 deaths excludes data from Parma and Campania. Parma has reported 34 new deaths, so Italy becomes the first nation to officially pass 500 deaths in a day.
Given that Italy is probably about the average temperature we can expect come the summer, that doesn't bode terribly well.
I'm starting to think I was unfair to Eadric. (I'll never hear the last of it if he sees this comment...)
I am re-posting something...it's too creative just to get buried in a busy thread.....
Anything now is on the cards if Covid 19 carries on it's path of devastation ....that microbe is one hell of a plucky motherfucker...it's tough enough finding a home in a bat, never mind jumping into a pangolin...and living...and then remarkably jumping into a human's gob- and managing to get into the human's lungs still intact..and then thriving....and the more it thrives the more it knows...like the little fucker knew how to get into Bergamo from Wuhan. Who would've thought that? It fucking sussed out the Ryanair cheap flying slots to spread quickly around the world. Crazy but true.
And now the malicious twat has set it's sights full throttle on bringing down the global economy, of fucking up the financial system and bringing the whole thing down like a stack of dominoes.....the bastard isn't bothering with the fragile countries of Africa like it's distant cousin, Mr Ebola....small fry....no... Covid 19 is much more cunning..... this little shit is aiming for the jugular of global capitalism at a full speed of knots.... and I cannot see anything stopping it. Can you?
I'm not sure I am on board with the 'whatever it takes' slogan. If we all have to self immolate using cheap petrol as the ultimate Corona attack plan, I am not up for it.
"Beating Boris around the head with an inflated puffer fish...."
"Whatever it takes...."
In the full knowledge I will regret asking...
What is a puffer fish?
Its a fish that inflates itself with air to ward of predators often covered in spines and contains a toxin associated with haitian zombie practise tetrodotoxin I believe
As I posted earlier I don't care about party politics at the moment. There is a couple of posters at either extreme who are frankly amusing rather than annoying. Lets take a breath and a step back:
1. This is the biggest crisis this country has faced since the war. Its more complicated than the war because the enemy is a virus carried amongst us. That makes for mega pressure 2. The government on the whole are doing a good job. The situation is evolving at huge speed and as a consequence very big things are having to be reduced to simple concepts and rolled out quickly 3. This by definition will leave people initially confused and angry about what has been announced and what hasn't. You could swap out this government for any previous one of your fancy and the issues would be the same. 4. Some of the partisanship makes those saying it look like utter fools. On one hand Labour activists banging on about "private sector profiteering" with beds provided at cost cheaper than the NHS can do. On the other we have the likes of HYUFD as a PB Comical Ali insisting that everything is being run to perfection in fine detail and that no Consternation and Uproar exists. 5. Whatever is announced will not be sufficient in a situation like this. I literally roared at the car radio when Sunak announced £330bn. Not because that makes everything alright - there are so many holes in the announced plan as to make it worthless right now (no matter what Comical HYUFD says). But the intent is clear - whatever it takes, as much money as it takes. 6. So people need to take a breath and think. This going to get worse - a lot worse - before it eventually gets better. I assume that schools shut for the summer means GCSE and A-Level students graduate based on predicted grades because thats my and most teachers definitions of fair. My eldest is involved so I am Concerned for him. But I am not screaming epithets at Williamson for not having worked out every detail. Nor am I insisting the plan is resplendent in its brilliance with all considerations taken care of.
Final point. Would anyone here want to be PM right now? Or a senior minister? Or a senior adviser or civil servant? So many have ranty/daft opinions on their performance but secretly are quite happy to not be the one making the decisions.
Yep - I agree with this. I'd also add that it is the job of the oppositon to point out the holes in order to make sure they are filled. You are absolutely right that £330 billion is only the start, especially as much of it seems to be loans-based. Businesses facing ruin are not going to load up on extra debt, however good the terms being offered. The only way through is money that will be paid back by us all in future years via higher taxes and through additional, long-term borrowing. There is no way round that. This is a crisis of supply and demand. We cannot austerity our way out of it.
Angela Merkel giving a national address at the moment.
Has she spent 20 minutes blaming VVVChina?
Didn't Mention China once. In fact I don't think she mentioned any other country! She did mention the war though!
One thing she did do was to especially thank (supermarket) cashiers, whose work is seldom recognised in this crisis.
I think that is great: a friend of mine with COPD works in a Supermarket, including as a cashier. If she gets the virus she could get very ill indeed.
Just watching now...she gave the old "hamsters" a bashing. Are the German's also losing their mind over toilet rolls?
Some certainly are. I saw out of my window yesterday 2 women chatting on the street corner standing on the ground next to them was 5 packs of toilet roll each pack with 10 rolls in them.
The supermarkets seem to be good at getting more onto the shelves the next morning though.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Equally posted without comment, we should not just have one rule for Richard while leftwing PBers get off with abuse
IanB2, left wing? You should get out a bit more,.... once the Corona-Crisis is over of course :-)
Of course he is leftwing and increasingly rude with it
I know many people who are much more to the left. Nick_Palmer is one clear example on PB. You are viewing it from the right.
It does not excuse the insults though.
Does he vote Tory? No, he is a leftwinger whatever version of it you use and agree the insults are inexcusable
So not voting Tory makes you a left winger? Well it’s a view but there are many natural tories for many reasons wont vote Tory at the moment, are they left wing? And there is a center ground which by all sane analysis is neither left or right. You would be more correct to say that those not voting Tory are to the left of you (possibly) but may not be left wing.
As I posted earlier I don't care about party politics at the moment. There is a couple of posters at either extreme who are frankly amusing rather than annoying. Lets take a breath and a step back:
1. This is the biggest crisis this country has faced since the war. Its more complicated than the war because the enemy is a virus carried amongst us. That makes for mega pressure 2. The government on the whole are doing a good job. The situation is evolving at huge speed and as a consequence very big things are having to be reduced to simple concepts and rolled out quickly 3. This by definition will leave people initially confused and angry about what has been announced and what hasn't. You could swap out this government for any previous one of your fancy and the issues would be the same. 4. Some of the partisanship makes those saying it look like utter fools. On one hand Labour activists banging on about "private sector profiteering" with beds provided at cost cheaper than the NHS can do. On the other we have the likes of HYUFD as a PB Comical Ali insisting that everything is being run to perfection in fine detail and that no Consternation and Uproar exists. 5. Whatever is announced will not be sufficient in a situation like this. I literally roared at the car radio when Sunak announced £330bn. Not because that makes everything alright - there are so many holes in the announced plan as to make it worthless right now (no matter what Comical HYUFD says). But the intent is clear - whatever it takes, as much money as it takes. 6. So people need to take a breath and think. This going to get worse - a lot worse - before it eventually gets better. I assume that schools shut for the summer means GCSE and A-Level students graduate based on predicted grades because thats my and most teachers definitions of fair. My eldest is involved so I am Concerned for him. But I am not screaming epithets at Williamson for not having worked out every detail. Nor am I insisting the plan is resplendent in its brilliance with all considerations taken care of.
Final point. Would anyone here want to be PM right now? Or a senior minister? Or a senior adviser or civil servant? So many have ranty/daft opinions on their performance but secretly are quite happy to not be the one making the decisions.
Excellent post. People really should calm down and appreciate that there are no quick and easy answers to any of this stuff.
Apparently the 475 deaths excludes data from Parma and Campania. Parma has reported 34 new deaths, so Italy becomes the first nation to officially pass 500 deaths in a day.
Given that Italy is probably about the average temperature we can expect come the summer, that doesn't bode terribly well.
I'm starting to think I was unfair to Eadric. (I'll never hear the last of it if he sees this comment...)
There is no sign whatsoever that we are heading for two million deaths, or anything near.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
The Government has just put £300 billion into the economy so people don't have to lose their jobs
No they have guaranteed loans to that amount so business owners dont lose their business. People are still being laid off
That money should be used to cover costs including wage bills and nothing more so companies can keep most employees on
Why is a cafe that has no customers going to pay its staff when the owner can just lay them off and pocket the money....it protects the cafe owner not the minumum wage staff
As that money if the business goes under will last them for a few months at most, keeping the business going will provide an income indefinitely once cafes can be visited again
Yes the business owner gets to keep their business the staff get shafted and thrown on the dole,,,,,you are a sick individual with brazen balls to have the nerve to come and claim it does anything to help the poorest workers. Get your head out from between your buttocks you apologist for scum
No, if the business goes under it goes under, if it stays a going concern through the crisis it can continue again after with the workers still in place.
You are a fanatical leftwinger who would oppose anything this government would do and someone who I would suggest the moderators also ask to watch their language
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
No and as you say the vast bailout is to help most of those on low wages keep their jobs
The Vast bailout,
1) Is to give the would the impression that the government is doing something and keep the government popular. 2) to keep money flowing to the varies speshall interest groups that the government (or all partys) normally fevers anyway.
2): Business owners, insurance co.s and landlords, from what I can see. They'll be bailed out. At worst, poor individuals will be told to claim Universal Credit.
I'm not sure I am on board with the 'whatever it takes' slogan. If we all have to self immolate using cheap petrol as the ultimate Corona attack plan, I am not up for it.
"Beating Boris around the head with an inflated puffer fish...."
"Whatever it takes...."
In the full knowledge I will regret asking...
What is a puffer fish?
Its a fish that inflates itself with air to ward of predators often covered in spines and contains a toxin associated with haitian zombie practise tetrodotoxin I believe
It is also a delicacy in Japan. Because of its toxicity you need training and a licence to prepare it in a restaurant there.
Will you be blaming the “feckless poor” for losing their jobs @HYUFD ? The government has after all “promised” 300b so that shouldn’t happen right?
Spoiler: people have already lost their jobs
Went to a small registry office wedding today as I'd been asked to do the reading months ago. One of the 3 other guests grumbled about how exaggerated the virus was and how people were over-reacting - "They're even asking for rent freezes! I believe in middle-class values, why can't people put money aside for the unexpected. What about helping the landlords?" I said that many people were actually in debt and could barely make ends meet, so putting money aside wasn't practical for them. He reiterated trenchantly, "I don't hold with that, as I said I believe in middle-class values."
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
Back to isolation!
I doubt he understands that QE, housing benefit and govt props have supported landlords to the tune of hundreds of billions whilst the rest of the country went through austerity. Not many people do.
I'm 33. In my 11 years of work, all I've known is ultra low interest rates. I'd love nothing more than to see house prices collapse (although I'd probably be out of work in such circumstances). Unfortunately, all the political parties are signed up to keeping house prices high, even if they won't admit it.
The simmple ans best way to 'recover the econamy' after this is all over would be to allow house building on a large scall by radicaly reforming the planing rules:
a) increasing supply would radically reduce pries and rents. b) it would quickly create a lot of jobs c) the result would be more and better houses which last a long time. d) no need to increase spending, borrowing or taxes
but will not happen, as the decrees in house prises would make home owners feel poor and home owners are mostly old and they vote.
The planning rules aren’t really the problem, though. Housing developers are sitting on tons of land and tons of unimplemented permissions. It is almost as if they have an interest in houses being expensive.
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Equally posted without comment, we should not just have one rule for Richard while leftwing PBers get off with abuse
IanB2, left wing? You should get out a bit more,.... once the Corona-Crisis is over of course :-)
Of course he is leftwing and increasingly rude with it
I know many people who are much more to the left. Nick_Palmer is one clear example on PB. You are viewing it from the right.
It does not excuse the insults though.
Does he vote Tory? No, he is a leftwinger whatever version of it you use and agree the insults are inexcusable
So not voting Tory makes you a left winger? Well it’s a view but there are many natural tories for many reasons wont vote Tory at the moment, are they left wing? And there is a center ground which by all sane analysis is neither left or right. You would be more correct to say that those not voting Tory are to the left of you (possibly) but may not be left wing.
Under FPTP in the UK if you do not vote Tory it can generally be said you are left of centre, especially when as now we have a Tory majority Government in the country as a whole
I'm not sure I am on board with the 'whatever it takes' slogan. If we all have to self immolate using cheap petrol as the ultimate Corona attack plan, I am not up for it.
"Beating Boris around the head with an inflated puffer fish...."
"Whatever it takes...."
In the full knowledge I will regret asking...
What is a puffer fish?
Its a fish that inflates itself with air to ward of predators often covered in spines and contains a toxin associated with haitian zombie practise tetrodotoxin I believe
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
Are rich people getting bailed out?
The govt are giving guarantees to banks for home owners mortgage payments. They are not offering the equivalent to renters.
Given home owners are on average richer than renters it shouldnt be controversial that the support is more targeted at the rich.
Similarly, little has been done for those in the gig economy or sole traders beyond offering a pitiful amount of SSP or benefits for those needing to isolate.
Just to be clear, those guarantees are to protect the *banks* not the home owners
I am re-posting something...it's too creative just to get buried in a busy thread.....
Anything now is on the cards if Covid 19 carries on it's path of devastation ....that microbe is one hell of a plucky motherfucker...it's tough enough finding a home in a bat, never mind jumping into a pangolin...and living...and then remarkably jumping into a human's gob- and managing to get into the human's lungs still intact..and then thriving....and the more it thrives the more it knows...like the little fucker knew how to get into Bergamo from Wuhan. Who would've thought that? It fucking sussed out the Ryanair cheap flying slots to spread quickly around the world. Crazy but true.
And now the malicious twat has set it's sights full throttle on bringing down the global economy, of fucking up the financial system and bringing the whole thing down like a stack of dominoes.....the bastard isn't bothering with the fragile countries of Africa like it's distant cousin, Mr Ebola....small fry....no... Covid 19 is much more cunning..... this little shit is aiming for the jugular of global capitalism at a full speed of knots.... and I cannot see anything stopping it. Can you?
The human immune system is stopping it every day, in tens of thousands. Medicine just needs to help us tip the balance more in the favour of the immune system and away from Corona. The most obvious way it can do this is by reducing the life-threatening symptoms to give the immune system time to work.
As I posted earlier I don't care about party politics at the moment. There is a couple of posters at either extreme who are frankly amusing rather than annoying. Lets take a breath and a step back:
1. This is the biggest crisis this country has faced since the war. Its more complicated than the war because the enemy is a virus carried amongst us. That makes for mega pressure 2. The government on the whole are doing a good job. The situation is evolving at huge speed and as a consequence very big things are having to be reduced to simple concepts and rolled out quickly 3. This by definition will leave people initially confused and angry about what has been announced and what hasn't. You could swap out this government for any previous one of your fancy and the issues would be the same. 4. Some of the partisanship makes those saying it look like utter fools. On one hand Labour activists banging on about "private sector profiteering" with beds provided at cost cheaper than the NHS can do. On the other we have the likes of HYUFD as a PB Comical Ali insisting that everything is being run to perfection in fine detail and that no Consternation and Uproar exists. 5. Whatever is announced will not be sufficient in a situation like this. I literally roared at the car radio when Sunak announced £330bn. Not because that makes everything alright - there are so many holes in the announced plan as to make it worthless right now (no matter what Comical HYUFD says). But the intent is clear - whatever it takes, as much money as it takes. 6. So people need to take a breath and think. This going to get worse - a lot worse - before it eventually gets better. I assume that schools shut for the summer means GCSE and A-Level students graduate based on predicted grades because thats my and most teachers definitions of fair. My eldest is involved so I am Concerned for him. But I am not screaming epithets at Williamson for not having worked out every detail. Nor am I insisting the plan is resplendent in its brilliance with all considerations taken care of.
Final point. Would anyone here want to be PM right now? Or a senior minister? Or a senior adviser or civil servant? So many have ranty/daft opinions on their performance but secretly are quite happy to not be the one making the decisions.
Yep - I agree with this. I'd also add that it is the job of the oppositon to point out the holes in order to make sure they are filled. You are absolutely right that £330 billion is only the start, especially as much of it seems to be loans-based. Businesses facing ruin are not going to load up on extra debt, however good the terms being offered. The only way through is money that will be paid back by us all in future years via higher taxes and through additional, long-term borrowing. There is no way round that. This is a crisis of supply and demand. We cannot austerity our way out of it.
I'm not sure I am on board with the 'whatever it takes' slogan. If we all have to self immolate using cheap petrol as the ultimate Corona attack plan, I am not up for it.
"Beating Boris around the head with an inflated puffer fish...."
"Whatever it takes...."
In the full knowledge I will regret asking...
What is a puffer fish?
Its a fish that inflates itself with air to ward of predators often covered in spines and contains a toxin associated with haitian zombie practise tetrodotoxin I believe
I'm not sure what good it would do to prevent economic decline and eye-watering job losses, but I do feel it would add to the gaiety of the nation....
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Equally posted without comment, we should not just have one rule for Richard while leftwing PBers get off with abuse
IanB2, left wing? You should get out a bit more,.... once the Corona-Crisis is over of course :-)
Of course he is leftwing and increasingly rude with it
I know many people who are much more to the left. Nick_Palmer is one clear example on PB. You are viewing it from the right.
It does not excuse the insults though.
Does he vote Tory? No, he is a leftwinger whatever version of it you use and agree the insults are inexcusable
So not voting Tory makes you a left winger? Well it’s a view but there are many natural tories for many reasons wont vote Tory at the moment, are they left wing? And there is a center ground which by all sane analysis is neither left or right. You would be more correct to say that those not voting Tory are to the left of you (possibly) but may not be left wing.
Under FPTP in the UK if you do not vote Tory it can generally be said you are left of centre, especially when as now we have a Tory majority Government in the country as a whole
I'd agree, except Labour got taken over by the Golgafrincham B-Ark, who I just want to class as "a mess."
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Equally posted without comment, we should not just have one rule for Richard while leftwing PBers get off with abuse
IanB2, left wing? You should get out a bit more,.... once the Corona-Crisis is over of course :-)
Of course he is leftwing and increasingly rude with it
I know many people who are much more to the left. Nick_Palmer is one clear example on PB. You are viewing it from the right.
It does not excuse the insults though.
Does he vote Tory? No, he is a leftwinger whatever version of it you use and agree the insults are inexcusable
So not voting Tory makes you a left winger? Well it’s a view but there are many natural tories for many reasons wont vote Tory at the moment, are they left wing? And there is a center ground which by all sane analysis is neither left or right. You would be more correct to say that those not voting Tory are to the left of you (possibly) but may not be left wing.
Under FPTP in the UK if you do not vote Tory it can generally be said you are left of centre, especially when as now we have a Tory majority Government in the country as a whole
Not at all I am right of the tory party and mostly voted tory till they put that idiot cameron and lurched left fiscally and authoritarian nanny state socially. Now I would rather not vote at all than vote for what I now think of as a centre left party.
Don't be fooled that people are left wing due to them recognising we are in extraordinary times and we almost need to be on a wartime footing the only time a big state is warranted. Stop being a mouthpiece for tory policy and think for yourself because that is all you come across with a tory cheerleader no matter what they do
Apparently the 475 deaths excludes data from Parma and Campania. Parma has reported 34 new deaths, so Italy becomes the first nation to officially pass 500 deaths in a day.
Given that Italy is probably about the average temperature we can expect come the summer, that doesn't bode terribly well.
I'm starting to think I was unfair to Eadric. (I'll never hear the last of it if he sees this comment...)
I don't think it has been got above 20o C and still cold at night.
Apparently the 475 deaths excludes data from Parma and Campania. Parma has reported 34 new deaths, so Italy becomes the first nation to officially pass 500 deaths in a day.
Given that Italy is probably about the average temperature we can expect come the summer, that doesn't bode terribly well.
I'm starting to think I was unfair to Eadric. (I'll never hear the last of it if he sees this comment...)
There is no sign whatsoever that we are heading for two million deaths, or anything near.
Well, possibly not. But it's already heading past five figures (assuming China and Iran are not telling the truth about the number of deaths) and it shows no sign of slowing. It's left SARS and AIDS trailing and is fast catching up with swineflu. But the efforts to contain it are likely to prove just as lethal.
I'm not sure I am on board with the 'whatever it takes' slogan. If we all have to self immolate using cheap petrol as the ultimate Corona attack plan, I am not up for it.
"Beating Boris around the head with an inflated puffer fish...."
"Whatever it takes...."
In the full knowledge I will regret asking...
What is a puffer fish?
Its a fish that inflates itself with air to ward of predators often covered in spines and contains a toxin associated with haitian zombie practise tetrodotoxin I believe
Yup, I was right.
I regretted asking...
Never ask on pb.com, unless you already know the answer....
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
and who the hell is going to be taxed to pay for the rich people being bailed out again.....you and people like you are exactly why I refuse to vote tory
On renters saying they will be protected from no fault evictions is spectacularly missing the point. They want protection from eviction for not paying the rent because they have lost their job due to govt shutting down the economy.
So as suspected not much for the underlings
I think it will come, the pressure will be inevitable but a complete lack of comprehension of life renting within the cabinet of multi millionaires shows they dont get it.
They have got non eviction for non payment of rent, what more do they want?
Equally posted without comment, we should not just have one rule for Richard while leftwing PBers get off with abuse
IanB2, left wing? You should get out a bit more,.... once the Corona-Crisis is over of course :-)
Of course he is leftwing and increasingly rude with it
I know many people who are much more to the left. Nick_Palmer is one clear example on PB. You are viewing it from the right.
It does not excuse the insults though.
Does he vote Tory? No, he is a leftwinger whatever version of it you use and agree the insults are inexcusable
So not voting Tory makes you a left winger? Well it’s a view but there are many natural tories for many reasons wont vote Tory at the moment, are they left wing? And there is a center ground which by all sane analysis is neither left or right. You would be more correct to say that those not voting Tory are to the left of you (possibly) but may not be left wing.
Under FPTP in the UK if you do not vote Tory it can generally be said you are left of centre, especially when as now we have a Tory majority Government in the country as a whole
Having now introduced the word ‘center’ I’m afraid your talking rubbish as to some the Tory party is a long way from center. But I can’t be srsed with this it’s irrelevant.
Apparently the 475 deaths excludes data from Parma and Campania. Parma has reported 34 new deaths, so Italy becomes the first nation to officially pass 500 deaths in a day.
Given that Italy is probably about the average temperature we can expect come the summer, that doesn't bode terribly well.
I'm starting to think I was unfair to Eadric. (I'll never hear the last of it if he sees this comment...)
I don't think it has been got above 20o C and still cold at night.
Like I said, about the average temperature we can expect come the summer
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/08/lisa-nandy-demands-answers-missing-labour-leadership-ballots
https://twitter.com/matchu_chutrain/status/1239239223674146824
I will also be concerned if we don't hear more about employment support and incomes policy fairly soon-ish.
Given home owners are on average richer than renters it shouldnt be controversial that the support is more targeted at the rich.
Similarly, little has been done for those in the gig economy or sole traders beyond offering a pitiful amount of SSP or benefits for those needing to isolate.
I'm a peaceful chap and didn't want to spoil the wedding, but moved to the other side of the room. It was spooky to meet a stereotype in real life - I didn't think people like that actually existed outside the world of Trotskyist leaflets.
Back to isolation!
One thing she did do was to especially thank (supermarket) cashiers, whose work is seldom recognised in this crisis.
I think that is great: a friend of mine with COPD works in a Supermarket, including as a cashier. If she gets the virus she could get very ill indeed.
When you talk about people being in debt, I guess you don't mean having a mortgage, do you?
Presumably for working from home.
Do not know how true this is.
1. This is the biggest crisis this country has faced since the war. Its more complicated than the war because the enemy is a virus carried amongst us. That makes for mega pressure
2. The government on the whole are doing a good job. The situation is evolving at huge speed and as a consequence very big things are having to be reduced to simple concepts and rolled out quickly
3. This by definition will leave people initially confused and angry about what has been announced and what hasn't. You could swap out this government for any previous one of your fancy and the issues would be the same.
4. Some of the partisanship makes those saying it look like utter fools. On one hand Labour activists banging on about "private sector profiteering" with beds provided at cost cheaper than the NHS can do. On the other we have the likes of HYUFD as a PB Comical Ali insisting that everything is being run to perfection in fine detail and that no Consternation and Uproar exists.
5. Whatever is announced will not be sufficient in a situation like this. I literally roared at the car radio when Sunak announced £330bn. Not because that makes everything alright - there are so many holes in the announced plan as to make it worthless right now (no matter what Comical HYUFD says). But the intent is clear - whatever it takes, as much money as it takes.
6. So people need to take a breath and think. This going to get worse - a lot worse - before it eventually gets better. I assume that schools shut for the summer means GCSE and A-Level students graduate based on predicted grades because thats my and most teachers definitions of fair. My eldest is involved so I am Concerned for him. But I am not screaming epithets at Williamson for not having worked out every detail. Nor am I insisting the plan is resplendent in its brilliance with all considerations taken care of.
Final point. Would anyone here want to be PM right now? Or a senior minister? Or a senior adviser or civil servant? So many have ranty/daft opinions on their performance but secretly are quite happy to not be the one making the decisions.
1) Is to give the would the impression that the government is doing something and keep the government popular.
2) to keep money flowing to the varies speshall interest groups that the government (or all partys) normally fevers anyway.
You are a fanatical leftwinger who would oppose anything this government would do and someone who I would suggest the moderators also ask to watch their language
"Whatever it takes...."
It does not excuse the insults though.
I would not anticipate any thanks from the public.
I think they've just gone out of fashion.
a) increasing supply would radically reduce pries and rents.
b) it would quickly create a lot of jobs
c) the result would be more and better houses which last a long time.
d) no need to increase spending, borrowing or taxes
but will not happen, as the decrees in house prises would make home owners feel poor and home owners are mostly old and they vote.
What is a puffer fish?
If you were a libertarian you would back no bailouts at all, no statutory sick pay and no non contributory welfare state. You would also oppose a ban on evictions for non payment of rent.
Most small business owners are not rich either
I'm starting to think I was unfair to Eadric. (I'll never hear the last of it if he sees this comment...)
Anything now is on the cards if Covid 19 carries on it's path of devastation ....that microbe is one hell of a plucky motherfucker...it's tough enough finding a home in a bat, never mind jumping into a pangolin...and living...and then remarkably jumping into a human's gob- and managing to get into the human's lungs still intact..and then thriving....and the more it thrives the more it knows...like the little fucker knew how to get into Bergamo from Wuhan. Who would've thought that? It fucking sussed out the Ryanair cheap flying slots to spread quickly around the world. Crazy but true.
And now the malicious twat has set it's sights full throttle on bringing down the global economy, of fucking up the financial system and bringing the whole thing down like a stack of dominoes.....the bastard isn't bothering with the fragile countries of Africa like it's distant cousin, Mr Ebola....small fry....no... Covid 19 is much more cunning..... this little shit is aiming for the jugular of global capitalism at a full speed of knots.... and I cannot see anything stopping it. Can you?
The supermarkets seem to be good at getting more onto the shelves the next morning though.
https://www.sharecast.com/news/news-and-announcements--/active-covid-19-cases-in-italy-to-peak-in-7-days-says-jpmorgan--7387352.html
https://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/k5b64p/taking-control-the-dominic-cummings-story/
I regretted asking...
Don't be fooled that people are left wing due to them recognising we are in extraordinary times and we almost need to be on a wartime footing the only time a big state is warranted. Stop being a mouthpiece for tory policy and think for yourself because that is all you come across with a tory cheerleader no matter what they do