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HYUFD said:

SandyRentool said:

HYUFD said:

Spanish police use megaphones to warn people to stay indoors or face arrest and £25 000 fines or jail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8114189/Spanish-police-use-megaphones-tell-people-stay-indoors-face-25-000-fines.html

That'll be you if you wander out onto that lawn.

Not if it is your lawn and others who use it are trespassing

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

SandyRentool said:

alex_ said:

Charles said:

SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff

I reckon BA will be nationalised.

And quite possibly the rest of the rail franchises.

Back to pre Thatcher privatisations then and more of Corbyn's manifesto of nationalisations comes in by the back door

The Tories have already implemented Michael Foot's policy on the EU. They may now get a chance to implement the rest of his manifesto.

We will establish a significant public stake in electronics, pharmaceuticals, health equipment and building materials; and also in other important sectors, as required in the national interest.

http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml

alex_ said:

JM1 said:

alex_ said:

tyson said:

The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point

How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)

The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.

Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?

I suspect Italy had a far larger number of undiagnosed cases than we have. After 40000 tests, Italy had 7000 cases, whilst we have a much smaller number (which will of course rise rapidly). We clearly have many undiagnosed cases (many, based on what was reported from Iceland may be completely asymptomatic) but it might be that we can control the epidemic a little better in terms of timing than Italy / Spain. Let's certainly hope so...

WhisperingOracle said:

MarqueeMark said:

Andy_JS said:

WhisperingOracle said:

It could be that the north/south cultural differences in such an easily transmissible disease are playing a major role so far.

It certainly looks like that. I don't think it's "racist" to say so, (especially since we're talking about Europeans).

Southern Europeans often seem to have no concept of personal space.

That's one way of looking at it ; they regard northern europeans as frosty and detached.

eristdoof said:

Charles said:

northern_monkey said:

If true, v classy:

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1239204731844780033?s=21

Twitter wilfully misunderstanding the facts.

"Exclusive rights" to a technology does not mean "won't let anyone else have it"

But it could. The insistance that German CureVac employees move to the USA to work there should be a big red flag, if the plan were for it to be an internaltional project.

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

Charles said:

SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff

Just saw that. 10,000 jobs gone, in a moment.

10,000 families, losing a breadwinner...

So sad.

Will be the same for restaurant, cafe, pub, hotel, bar, nightclub, hairdressers, shop staff etc, unless only temporary until Covid 19 cleared up

I had a Covid epiphany the other day. A positive one, for a change.

I was having lunch with my daughter in a very nice gastropub, ruefully wondering when we'd be able to do this again, if ever....

And then I realised, of course we will do this again, we are humans, it's what we do. Coronavirus is not going to kill us all. Even if it kills 5% of us (extreme worst case scenario) 95% will be OK.

And even if they find no vaccine and even if antivirals don't work and even if corona comes back every winter to take out the oldies, we will adapt. It will just become the new normal, and we will eventually accept a much higher level of risk as we travel, eat, booze, flirt, and go about our business, because if we don't accept this, life will simply cease.

We will endure, and some time in the future we will be happy again.

WhisperingOracle said:

AndreaParma_82 said:

News from Lombardy

Currently infected: 13.272 (+1582 compared to yesterday)
Total deaths: 1218 (+252)
Total hospitalized: 4898 (+602)
Total in intensive care: 757 (+25)

Total healed ? This seems a very important figure to me. The deaths are at a horribly high, but roughly static level, but the number of new intensive care cases seems to be coming down. Maybe the infrastructure and treatment is beginning to cope better.

AndreaParma_82 said:

News from Lombardy

Currently infected: 13.272 (+1582 compared to yesterday)
Total deaths: 1218 (+252)
Total hospitalized: 4898 (+602)
Total in intensive care: 757 (+25)

Fenster said:

Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.

I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.

I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.

Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

Charles said:

SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff

Just saw that. 10,000 jobs gone, in a moment.

10,000 families, losing a breadwinner...

So sad.

Will be the same for restaurant, cafe, pub, hotel, bar, nightclub, hairdressers, shop staff etc, unless only temporary until Covid 19 cleared up

I had a Covid epiphany the other day. A positive one, for a change.

I was having lunch with my daughter in a very nice gastropub, ruefully wondering when we'd be able to do this again, if ever....

And then I realised, of course we will do this again, we are humans, it's what we do. Coronavirus is not going to kill us all. Even if it kills 5% of us (extreme worst case scenario) 95% will be OK.

And even if they find no vaccine and even if antivirals don't work and even if corona comes back every winter to take out the oldies, we will adapt. It will just become the new normal, and we will eventually accept a much higher level of risk as we travel, eat, booze, flirt, and go about our business, because if we don't accept this, life will simply cease.

We will endure, and some time in the future we will be happy again.

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

Charles said:

SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff

Just saw that. 10,000 jobs gone, in a moment.

10,000 families, losing a breadwinner...

So sad.

Will be the same for restaurant, cafe, pub, hotel, bar, nightclub, hairdressers, shop staff etc, unless only temporary until Covid 19 cleared up

I had a Covid epiphany the other day. A positive one, for a change.

I was having lunch with my daughter in a very nice gastropub, ruefully wondering when we'd be able to do this again, if ever....

And then I realised, of course we will do this again, we are humans, it's what we do. Coronavirus is not going to kill us all. Even if it kills 5% of us (extreme worst case scenario) 95% will be OK.

And even if they find no vaccine and even if antivirals don't work and even if corona comes back every winter to take out the oldies, we will adapt. It will just become the new normal, and we will eventually accept a much higher level of risk as we travel, eat, booze, flirt, and go about our business, because if we don't accept this, life will simply cease.

We will endure, and some time in the future we will be happy again.

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

Charles said:

SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff

Just saw that. 10,000 jobs gone, in a moment.

10,000 families, losing a breadwinner...

So sad.

Will be the same for restaurant, cafe, pub, hotel, bar, nightclub, hairdressers, shop staff etc, unless only temporary until Covid 19 cleared up

I had a Covid epiphany the other day. A positive one, for a change.

I was having lunch with my daughter in a very nice gastropub, ruefully wondering when we'd be able to do this again, if ever....

And then I realised, of course we will do this again, we are humans, it's what we do. Coronavirus is not going to kill us all. Even if it kills 5% of us (extreme worst case scenario) 95% will be OK.

And even if they find no vaccine and even if antivirals don't work and even if corona comes back every winter to take out the oldies, we will adapt. It will just become the new normal, and we will eventually accept a much higher level of risk as we travel, eat, booze, flirt, and go about our business, because if we don't accept this, life will simply cease.

We will endure, and some time in the future we will be happy again.

eadric said:

tyson said:

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

Charles said:

SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff

Just saw that. 10,000 jobs gone, in a moment.

10,000 families, losing a breadwinner...

So sad.

Will be the same for restaurant, cafe, pub, hotel, bar, nightclub, hairdressers, shop staff etc, unless only temporary until Covid 19 cleared up

I had a Covid epiphany the other day. A positive one, for a change.

I was having lunch with my daughter in a very nice gastropub, ruefully wondering when we'd be able to do this again, if ever....

And then I realised, of course we will do this again, we are humans, it's what we do. Coronavirus is not going to kill us all. Even if it kills 5% of us (extreme worst case scenario) 95% will be OK.

And even if they find no vaccine and even if antivirals don't work and even if corona comes back every winter to take out the oldies, we will adapt. It will just become the new normal, and we will eventually accept a much higher level of risk as we travel, eat, booze flirt, and go about our business, because if we don't accept this, life will simply cease.

We will endure and some time in the future we will be happy again.

The Roaring 20's followed the most miserable period before.......

In a couple of years time...life will have changed and most probably for the better...it's just the journey getting there

That's actually quite a good example. The Gatsby Era came a few years after the Spanish flu and the Somme.

We're going to have a tough time, for quite a while, but it won't be forever.

And now I must go do some work, because life DOES go on.

AndreaParma_82 said:

Italy

Currently infected: 20.603 (+2.853 net gain compared to yesterday)
Deaths: 1.809 (+368 net increase)
Healed: 2.335 (+369)
Intensive care: 1.672 (+154 net increase)

isam said:

The quote “We all die, just a question of when” just came to mind... can anyone name the film it’s from?

MarqueeMark said:

tyson said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

Charles said:

SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff

Just saw that. 10,000 jobs gone, in a moment.

10,000 families, losing a breadwinner...

So sad.

Will be the same for restaurant, cafe, hotel, bar, nightclub, hairdressers, shop staff etc, unless only temporary until Covid 19 cleared up

We all have to do our bit now....I'm not claiming cancellation fees on bookings...

I'm paying our cleaner a 50% retainer for however long.....

We need to support QE for businesses across the board.....

Paying our cleaner her full whack still. She can't afford the drop. Don't know how she will survive if others cut her wages. Her aged mother has aggressive dementia, and she and her sister have to take in turns to look after her.

Some people had shitty lives - and then virus this took another dump on them.

WhisperingOracle said:

AndreaParma_82 said:

Italy

Currently infected: 20.603 (+2.853 net gain compared to yesterday)
Deaths: 1.809 (+368 net increase)
Healed: 2.335 (+369)
Intensive care: 1.672 (+154 net increase)

These figures are different. That looks like a more worrying rise in deaths and more static intensive care cases, but also a rapidly increasing number of healed.

Foxy said:

WhisperingOracle said:

AndreaParma_82 said:

Italy

Currently infected: 20.603 (+2.853 net gain compared to yesterday)
Deaths: 1.809 (+368 net increase)
Healed: 2.335 (+369)
Intensive care: 1.672 (+154 net increase)

These figures are different. That looks like a more worrying rise in deaths and more static intensive care cases, but also a rapidly increasing number of healed.

The difference between Lombardia and other regions. Lombardia is 13 million people as I recall.

isam said:

SandyRentool said:

isam said:

The quote “We all die, just a question of when” just came to mind... can anyone name the film it’s from?

Bambi?

If we were in a noisy bar I’d probably say ‘yeah!’

kinabalu said:

Gallowgate said:

Sounds like Corbyn won the argument!

Totally.

And it's a great pity Labour are not in because this is going to be a golden (and perhaps never to be repeated) opportunity for the State - that's us - to buy up whole swathes of commercial assets from a distressed private sector at knockdown prices. Privatize the losses, socialize the gains.

As it is, the Tories will no doubt go for a bail-out without taking ownership approach. Socialize the losses, privatize the gains.

tyson said:

Two Finnish men meet in a bar, they haven't seen each other in over 30 years, but used to be best friends. One raises his beer and says 'cheers'.

The other responds, 'are we here to drink, or to talk?'


I just posted that because anyone who knows someone from Finland.....

eadric said:

Uh, these figures for Italy are very different to Andrea's. Unfortunately

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1239237647031242752?s=20

eadric said:

HYUFD said:

eadric said:

Charles said:

SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff

Just saw that. 10,000 jobs gone, in a moment.

10,000 families, losing a breadwinner...

So sad.

Will be the same for restaurant, cafe, pub, hotel, bar, nightclub, hairdressers, shop staff etc, unless only temporary until Covid 19 cleared up

I had a Covid epiphany the other day. A positive one, for a change.

I was having lunch with my daughter in a very nice gastropub, ruefully wondering when we'd be able to do this again, if ever....

And then I realised, of course we will do this again, we are humans, it's what we do. Coronavirus is not going to kill us all. Even if it kills 5% of us (extreme worst case scenario) 95% will be OK.

And even if they find no vaccine and even if antivirals don't work and even if corona comes back every winter to take out the oldies, we will adapt. It will just become the new normal, and we will eventually accept a much higher level of risk as we travel, eat, booze, flirt, and go about our business, because if we don't accept this, life will simply cease.

We will endure, and some time in the future we will be happy again.

kinabalu said:

Gallowgate said:

Sounds like Corbyn won the argument!

Totally.

And it's a great pity Labour are not in because this is going to be a golden (and perhaps never to be repeated) opportunity for the State - that's us - to buy up whole swathes of commercial assets from a distressed private sector at knockdown prices. Privatize the losses, socialize the gains.

As it is, the Tories will no doubt go for a bail-out without taking ownership approach. Socialize the losses, privatize the gains.

algarkirk said:

Could this be the time to ask for the sorts of membership terms that would have won Cameron then referendum if offered at the time?

Or anyone for EFTA?

Brexit at this moment is looking like a little local difficulty. Will Boris use this to say: This is not the moment for boat rocking, let's learn from this and reach a sensible compromise with our friends of Europe?

glw said:

algarkirk said:

Could this be the time to ask for the sorts of membership terms that would have won Cameron then referendum if offered at the time?

Or anyone for EFTA?

Brexit at this moment is looking like a little local difficulty. Will Boris use this to say: This is not the moment for boat rocking, let's learn from this and reach a sensible compromise with our friends of Europe?

I've been in favour of us joining EFTA for a long time, but frankly it all seems so trivial now that an extension or even cancellation wouldn't bother me. It would be like arguing with the neighbour's about their Leylandii hedge when your own house is on fire.

Fenster said:

tyson said:

Fenster said:

eadric said:

Fenster said:

Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.

I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.

I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.

Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.

This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.

Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.

Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.

I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.

I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.

All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?

My kids are going to school in the morning with 750 other kids. I'll go to work tomorrow and come into contact with 100 people. What's the point of me staying at home when I'll likely catch it through the kids anyway.

kinabalu said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Now I really like that post

You LIKE a post that postulates the virus "coming back every winter to take out the oldies"?

tlg86 said:

Because they are busy doing the job?

rottenborough said:

Is this a spoof?

WhisperingOracle said:

eadric said:

Uh, these figures for Italy are very different to Andrea's. Unfortunately

Yes, as Foxy was saying these are the nationwide figures, rather than the Lombardy ones. On the one hand the Lombardy situation seems not to be changing too much, but where are the other cases ? That's the concerning bit for me.

rottenborough said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1239241232309764102

Is this a spoof?

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/jennykleeman/status/1239242091638804485

I am sure thev rime Minister has nothing else to do every day

tyson said:

ukpaul said:

Fenster said:

tyson said:

Fenster said:

eadric said:

Fenster said:

Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.

I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.

I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.

Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.

This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.

Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.

Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.

I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.

I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.

All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?

My kids are going to school in the morning with 750 other kids. I'll go to work tomorrow and come into contact with 100 people. What's the point of me staying at home when I'll likely catch it through the kids anyway.

And that's the way the government kickstart their 'herd immunity' (sorry, 'flattening the curve') project.

Seeing the Italian data makes this theory madness sadly....once your health system cannot cope the fatality rate rockets and perfectly treatable people start to die in large numbers

Scott_xP said:

rottenborough said:

Is this a spoof?

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1239243077140832257

Benpointer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/jennykleeman/status/1239242091638804485

I am sure thev rime Minister has nothing else to do every day

It doesn't have to be Boris though does it. Downing Street must have a press officer or two.

Benpointer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/jennykleeman/status/1239242091638804485

I am sure thev rime Minister has nothing else to do every day

It doesn't have to be Boris though does it. Downing Street must have a press officer or two.

Stocky said:

Good post - though would you mind using s`s and laying off the z`s?

DavidL said:

IanB2 said:

DavidL said:

A person who I had coffee with last Thursday has been confirmed as having the virus. The latest advice seems to be that I don’t self isolate unless I develop symptoms. I don’t have any at the moment.

I think the reality is that many of us are going to come into contact with carriers frequently. We either completely cut ourselves off or carry on until there are symptoms.

It’s a bit troubling though.

According to the BBC you are covered by the previously issued advice:

Anyone who has travelled to an affected area, or who has been in close contact with an infected person, had already been asked to self-isolate for 14 days.

We had coffee not sex. I have a tricky court case tomorrow morning. I am genuinely unsure what to do. Trying to pass it on would be very difficult at this point.

RobD said:

rottenborough said:

Scott_xP said:

rottenborough said:

Is this a spoof?

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1239243077140832257

If we do that here, the Government better have a plan as to how to provide cash to these businesses, or we will come out of this and find every pub has gone bust.

Also, close for two weeks? Try two months.

rottenborough said:

rottenborough said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1239241232309764102

Is this a spoof?

No. Real

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0315/1123356-coronavirus-ireland/

tyson said:

ukpaul said:

Fenster said:

tyson said:

Fenster said:

eadric said:

Fenster said:

Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.

I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.

I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.

Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.

This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.

Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.

Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.

I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.

I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.

All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?

My kids are going to school in the morning with 750 other kids. I'll go to work tomorrow and come into contact with 100 people. What's the point of me staying at home when I'll likely catch it through the kids anyway.

And that's the way the government kickstart their 'herd immunity' (sorry, 'flattening the curve') project.

Seeing the Italian data makes this theory madness sadly....once your health system cannot cope the fatality rate rockets and perfectly treatable people start to die in large numbers