If the quarantine is compulsory, how on earth can it be enforced? What are the police going to do? Arrest 72 year olds? And do what with them?
I don't think it will be. Or if it is, it will be in name only. In essence I see this as formalizing via government advice what is already common sense. If you are at high risk (of death or severe illness from the virus) hunker down to minimize your chances of infection both for your sake and in the national interest - since the number one priority is to stop the NHS falling over.
It won't be enforced by the police or by anybody else. No problem, because it won't need to be. Most people will follow the "instructions" because they will be scared of serious illness and death and/or they will feel a sense of duty to stay well and out of overstretched hospitals at this time of national crisis.
That is the British way.
The British way: we shall all get a turn but please form an orderly queue.
I read this as advice if one HAS coronavirus symptoms.
I'm one of the oldest people who post here. I get the impression that some of these 40/50 yr olds think people like my wife and I don't have much of a life
Our diary for next week ought to be Monday. Me Gym. Wife Chiropody (can't reach our toenails easily.) Then she should be going to a lace-making Group and I go to the chiropodist. Tuesday she's booked at Weight Watchers (don't know why, she looks good to me, but there you are) I'm going to a U3a Group meeting. Wednesday's gym for me, then go and meet a group of friends for coffee. In the afternoon, there's another, big, U3a meeting. Thursday we're booked to go to a pub lunch with U3a friends and in the afternoon I've got a WEA meeting. Friday I've two U3a groups.
Admittedly it's quite a busy week, but I can't cope without getting about. I don't know which, apart from the gym, I'm going to cancel. If any!
All the U3a events are for 60+-er's.
I get it, my mum is 75 (and has a twin brother) - she is out and about everyday and maintains a great social life. She had a very busy working life, so finds it impossible to really relax.
My uncle travels for months on end, and has already been in touch to say he has no intention of returning to the UK unless forced to, he feels he is at much less risk of contracting illness in a hot climate. He's not in Europe, so I can't say I blame him.
I think your uncle is right. It was suggested to us that we go to family in Thailand for three months, but that option is closed off now.
He has a lung problem caused by working in the chemical industry, a bout of pneumonia nearly killed him a couple of years ago. He leads a very active life living abroad during the winter months. He's absolutely doing the right thing.
The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.
I note that the Dutch seem to be following our trajectory. The German figures are quite remarkable.
The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.
The only figure that is of much use in comparisons now is the mortality rate.
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.
I note that the Dutch seem to be following our trajectory. The German figures are quite remarkable.
I know the initial outbreak was much younger people, but it does appear they might well be doing something to reduce death rates. Obviously, I hope they are disseminating to other countries whatever their procedure is.
The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Are these numbers published regularly anywhere? They are crucial for understanding of the timing of new measures by the Government.
Sadly, the spike in numbers are those in hospital I guess who are showing extreme symptoms....
They release the number of tests, and there is no sign of any decline so these are at least a like for like measure, although clearly there will be a large multiple of cases not formally diagnosed.
But if the tests are now focused on serious cases in hospital you would expect a higher % of positives. So it is not a like for like measure.
Testing in hospitals will largely focus on personnel rather than patients.
The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
I may be missing something but self isolation =/= staying at home? Presumably going out for a long walk in nature is totally fine.
The existing advice for the seven days' worth of self isolation for suspected cases is entitled "Stay at home" and explicitly states that "You cannot go for a walk."
I assume this means that elderly and medically vulnerable self-isolators will also be trapped inside (unless they live in houses with enclosed back gardens, which will allow them to get outdoors without coming into contact or close to any other people.)
You can therefore appreciate why the Government is stalling for as long as possible. It is a Draconian measure.
Here in Spain they are arresting people and dishing out large fines for those who stay at home means go out for a bike ride or a walk.
That'll be interesting if they try that over here. Policemen dishing out on-the-spot fines of a weeks' pension to dotty old octogenarian dears with mild cognitive impairment tottering back from the corner shop will not go down at all well.
I heard on the radio that in Italy people are being arrested for leaving their houses to walk their dog. I don`t think that we in Britain would stand for this.
It all depends how bad it gets. But that is what lockdown means - there are plenty in the UK asking why we aren't following Italy and the Europeans already. Now you have the answer.
You mean, because we wouldn`t stand for it? I`m amazed that Italians are standing for it - maybe they are not and the current government over there is doomed.
No i mean that is why you only take measures when necessary. People stand for it in the main because they are law abiding. I suspect it would be accepted in the UK too.
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
It isn't so much flu, it the reports that even young and healthy people often get pneumonia. If you have had that, it can be a very unsettling experience.
"Daughter of wealthy Qatar family lives in constant fear of kidnap A woman who fled to Britain is terrified she will meet the same fate as the two captive Dubai princesses"
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
Fenster's comments are very worrying for how things are closing in.....
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I am not sure the fact that it seems via a combination of luck and hard work firefighting hot spots early on, we are still at the start of the ramp and people are convincing themselves well we won't be like Italy. The worst that will happen is we might run out of bog roll.
The mind boggles as to why a 74 year old Italian who'd been in Milan would travel to the Central African Republic, one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
"1st case in the Central African Republic: a 74-year-old Italian who had recently been in Milan [source]"
The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?
I think some of the nuttier elements on twitter will want to see oldies locked up for breaking the rules, cos they voted Brexit and Tory.....
Mmm, perhaps this is their punishment for that.
Your question about test numbers -
I think the number of "new" tests is being temporarily and artificially inflated by backlog catch-up as tests are now being processed more quickly, within 48 hours rather than taking an average of 5 days.
Once this has worked through we should see the numbers drop - if the assumption that testing is only on hospitalized patients is correct.
The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.
I agree wholeheartely with the first paragraph. The changes in total counts over a half a week or so does make sense, if the same type of testing is done. Obvioulsy if there is a systematic change in testing suchas a move from testing all those who want to be tested to testing only those admitted to hospital with relevant systems is going to make the data difficult to interpret.
As for where the UK fits in to Germany vs Italy, Germany is really not that different from Italy. The infection rate is a bit slower in Germany but with over 5400 cases and an exponential increase, it is still bad here. The UK death rate is very different from in Germany. Why? I don't know. Perhaps the health care system in Germany is superb, perhaps elderly Germans are reporting symptoms more quickly, and getting treated early. It's too early to tell.
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
It isn't so much flu, it the reports that even young and healthy people often get pneumonia. If you have had that, it can be a very unsettling experience.
Indeed, and what a 'helpful' time for the NHS to have run out of pneumonia vaccine. I asked for one last week and they said 'Sorry, we haven't had any for 3-4 months'.
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
You haven't even tried to grasp how social distancing, isolation, and quarantine can work to contain this vile disease (as we see in other countries). I fear if I continue further I will insult you, so I will leave it there.
I have grasped it. I'm aware of every bit of advice that's come out. Wash your hands, be sensible, go about your business as usual until you get ill, then stay at home. I didn't see any advice about pissing my pants and scaring everyone to death with apocalyptic comments online.
I think some of the nuttier elements on twitter will want to see oldies locked up for breaking the rules, cos they voted Brexit and Tory.....
Mmm, perhaps this is their punishment for that.
Your question about test numbers -
I think the number of "new" tests is being temporarily and artificially inflated by backlog catch-up as tests are now being processed more quickly, within 48 hours rather than taking an average of 5 days.
Once this has worked through we should see the numbers drop - if the assumption that testing is only on hospitalized patients is correct.
This is the element I am most uncomfortable about in regards to the UK government strategy. This idea of just not going to test the public. As I say, unless there will actually be sampling going on, but they don't want to issue a Trump style BS promise of all those that want to get tested, get a test.
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Thanks Fenster. I didn't say we were living totally normally. We're avoiding the bigger groups, washing regularly and that sort of thing.. Sorry to hear about Doddie Weir. MND is a horrible disease, and, as of this moment, once you get it, that's it. Slowly. And your mind is clear.
The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.
I agree wholeheartely with the first paragraph. The changes in total counts over a half a week or so does make sense, if the same type of testing is done. Obvioulsy if there is a systematic change in testing suchas a move from testing all those who want to be tested to testing only those admitted to hospital with relevant systems is going to make the data difficult to interpret.
As for where the UK fits in to Germany vs Italy, Germany is really not that different from Italy. The infection rate is a bit slower in Germany but with over 5400 cases and an exponential increase, it is still bad here. The UK death rate is very different from in Germany. Why? I don't know. Perhaps the health care system in Germany is superb, perhaps elderly Germans are reporting symptoms more quickly, and getting treated early. It's too early to tell.
With respect, I can't see that Germany is not strongly different from Italy. As far as I can understand it, the curve that Italy was on in the same period is not the same as Germany's, so far.
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
I'm fairly sure I've never had the flu. My take is that it means we might be a bit less mentally prepared for the experience but it isn't really significant in the grand scheme of things. And hey, maybe it means my immune system is really good against flu viruses?
Incidentally, what's the current official advice on visiting parents/grandparents?
I've had a quick look but from what I could see then, providing there's no fever/cough it's still deemed ok.
Yes - until the call goes out to self-isolate I see no reason why people shouldn't go about their business essentially as normal.
As has been much discussed here and elsewhere recently, quarantine for older people and the medically vulnerable is going to be something of an ordeal, and a lengthy one at that. There is no point in prolonging that situation (e.g. by self-isolating immediately) unnecessarily. Some people will do that anyway because they're very frightened, but for those who aren't they might as well keep calm and carry on until instructed otherwise.
If you are in a high risk group and carrying on as normal then you are playing Russian Roulette.
The CDC advice is to keep your head down. And this applies to the rest of the household too - minimise contact with the outside world. That is what we are doing, as my wife is taking immunosuppressant medication.
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?
My kids are going to school in the morning with 750 other kids. I'll go to work tomorrow and come into contact with 100 people. What's the point of me staying at home when I'll likely catch it through the kids anyway.
The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?
Italy is dealing with a hotspot....so let's hope in these days we can ready ICU beds...
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?
My kids are going to school in the morning with 750 other kids. I'll go to work tomorrow and come into contact with 100 people. What's the point of me staying at home when I'll likely catch it through the kids anyway.
I'm working in court tomorrow- quite frankly it appalls me since I have deliberately not got into a public venue this weekend
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?
Yes - my cousin is gobsmacked at what Johnson said and has told me to stay indoors.
Italians are staying in now because there is nowhere for them to go and because of what has been happening in Lombardy.
The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?
I suspect Italy had a far larger number of undiagnosed cases than we have. After 40000 tests, Italy had 7000 cases, whilst we have a much smaller number (which will of course rise rapidly). We clearly have many undiagnosed cases (many, based on what was reported from Iceland may be completely asymptomatic) but it might be that we can control the epidemic a little better in terms of timing than Italy / Spain. Let's certainly hope so...
Well yes - but it means looking to Italy/Spain to indicate when things might really start getting restrictive in this country may not be very reliable.
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.
You know when you've had a flu rather than a cold....you feel washed out and look gaunt for at least a couple of weeks after.....
This makes it easier for health services to deal with it.
I understand that, but I can't exactly cry off work when the kids are in school.
My view is, if the science experts see no reason to keep the kids home from school and keep my wife and me home from work then it's no time for panic.
I was quite surprised at how normal things are out there in the world (particularly Friday's shenanigans). I spend a bit too much time reading online hysteria and should know better, that the real world is usually much calmer and much more grounded in sensible reality (just as it was after the Brexit vote, when the sum total of the ;post-referendum online hysteria amounted to commiting suicide quickly).
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.
I've had flu once. Perhaps the obvious main difference from a heavy cold is the complete loss of appetite. I didn't eat at all for about 5 days.
"Exclusive rights" to a technology does not mean "won't let anyone else have it"
But it could. The insistance that German CureVac employees move to the USA to work there should be a big red flag, if the plan were for it to be an internaltional project.
The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?
I suspect Italy had a far larger number of undiagnosed cases than we have. After 40000 tests, Italy had 7000 cases, whilst we have a much smaller number (which will of course rise rapidly). We clearly have many undiagnosed cases (many, based on what was reported from Iceland may be completely asymptomatic) but it might be that we can control the epidemic a little better in terms of timing than Italy / Spain. Let's certainly hope so...
Well yes - but it means looking to Italy/Spain to indicate when things might really start getting restrictive in this country may not be very reliable.
The UK and any other country, should be using the available information from all other countries.
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serih fewer regrets.
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?
My kids are going to school in the morning with 750 other kids. I'll go to work tomorrow and come into contact with 100 people. What's the point of me staying at home when I'll likely catch it through the kids anyway.
Fair enough. For me it is simply logical that social distancing works, and should now be enacted by responsible citizens - e.g. work from home if you can (of course many can't), don't go to big gatherings of people, don't go to crowded pubs.
Perhaps our personal circumstances are different: I have several friends and close relatives who in very high risk groups - they would likely die if they catch this. So maybe that explains why I am more cautious than you, as you don't have any close family or friends who are at risk?
I wonder what Byronic would have made of the matter? I miss his posts.
Sky's Europe correspondent reporting from Lille has said that this evening Germany will close the border with France as well as Austria and Switzerland
He said this is a seminal moment for Germany and France as their borders close
And how easy will it be for it to be re-opened and when
The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?
I suspect Italy had a far larger number of undiagnosed cases than we have. After 40000 tests, Italy had 7000 cases, whilst we have a much smaller number (which will of course rise rapidly). We clearly have many undiagnosed cases (many, based on what was reported from Iceland may be completely asymptomatic) but it might be that we can control the epidemic a little better in terms of timing than Italy / Spain. Let's certainly hope so...
Well yes - but it means looking to Italy/Spain to indicate when things might really start getting restrictive in this country may not be very reliable.
The UK and any other country, should be using the available information from all other countries.
I was talking about people on here using the numbers to question the Govt's assertions. Not the Govt.
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.
I've had flu once. Perhaps the obvious main difference from a heavy cold is the complete loss of appetite. I didn't eat at all for about 5 days.
I've had flu twice, when 19 and 26. I had a ferocious fever and "lost" 36 hours both times. Weak as a kitten after it both times.
People who casually say "Oh I had flu last week, but I'm fine now" haven't had flu. It is massively worse than any cold you have ever had.
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.
I've had flu once. Perhaps the obvious main difference from a heavy cold is the complete loss of appetite. I didn't eat at all for about 5 days.
I've had flu twice, when 19 and 26. I had a ferocious fever and "lost" 36 hours both times. Weak as a kitten after it both times.
People who casually say "Oh I had flu last week, but I'm fine now" haven't had flu. It is massively worse than any cold you have ever had.
Yes - you’re poleaxed - it’s a very different animal from a bad cold.
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
It isn't so much flu, it the reports that even young and healthy people often get pneumonia. If you have had that, it can be a very unsettling experience.
Indeed, and what a 'helpful' time for the NHS to have run out of pneumonia vaccine. I asked for one last week and they said 'Sorry, we haven't had any for 3-4 months'.
It's intended for babies and people over 65. So there isn't a stock on demand.
That could be complicated. I mean, would the Government nationalise IAG, or hive off the BA part of it?
Could not businesses like that which would be perfectly viable but for the crisis simply be saved through a combination of temporary redundancies/unpaid leave and bridging loans?
And quite possibly the rest of the rail franchises.
Back to pre Thatcher privatisations then and more of Corbyn's manifesto of nationalisations comes in by the back door
The Tories have already implemented Michael Foot's policy on the EU. They may now get a chance to implement the rest of his manifesto.
We will establish a significant public stake in electronics, pharmaceuticals, health equipment and building materials; and also in other important sectors, as required in the national interest.
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Yes, there is room to keep things in proportion. Last Monday I went to what may have been the last Premier League game of the season, worked all week, ran some errands in town after my Saturday ward round in a busy city centre. Ate out with friends In a local restaurant in the evening, and went to Church this morning. Plenty of hand washing, no facial touching, congregation well spread out across the pews.
Life is still to be lived, just with sensible precautions. Work as normal tommorow.
Currently infected: 13.272 (+1582 compared to yesterday) Total deaths: 1218 (+252) Total hospitalized: 4898 (+602) Total in intensive care: 757 (+25)
Total healed ? This seems a very important figure to me. The deaths are at a horribly high, but roughly static level, but the number of new intensive care cases seems to be coming down. Maybe the infrastructure and treatment is beginning to cope better.
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My bro is senior in NHS and he told me to expect a big jump yesterday because the time between test and result was cut from 5 days to 2 days.
A one time artificial factor.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Old Republicans could take the view that they/their friends have had good lives and if it is their time to go then so be it
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
This makes me angry.
"Daughter of wealthy Qatar family lives in constant fear of kidnap
A woman who fled to Britain is terrified she will meet the same fate as the two captive Dubai princesses"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/daughter-of-wealthy-qatar-family-lives-in-constant-fear-of-kidnap-n6vkjd6qn
https://twitter.com/AishalQahtani/status/1239188702875783169
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?
Your question about test numbers -
I think the number of "new" tests is being temporarily and artificially inflated by backlog catch-up as tests are now being processed more quickly, within 48 hours rather than taking an average of 5 days.
Once this has worked through we should see the numbers drop - if the assumption that testing is only on hospitalized patients is correct.
As for where the UK fits in to Germany vs Italy, Germany is really not that different from Italy. The infection rate is a bit slower in Germany but with over 5400 cases and an exponential increase, it is still bad here. The UK death rate is very different from in Germany. Why? I don't know. Perhaps the health care system in Germany is superb, perhaps elderly Germans are reporting symptoms more quickly, and getting treated early. It's too early to tell.
Sorry to hear about Doddie Weir. MND is a horrible disease, and, as of this moment, once you get it, that's it. Slowly. And your mind is clear.
We are fortunate that it is not a problem but many will haveva problem with that
And are we all to suffer Sky' s depressing virus backdrop for months
I'm not banking on the latter, for the record.
The CDC advice is to keep your head down. And this applies to the rest of the household too - minimise contact with the outside world. That is what we are doing, as my wife is taking immunosuppressant medication.
Italy is dealing with a hotspot....so let's hope in these days we can ready ICU beds...
"Exclusive rights" to a technology does not mean "won't let anyone else have it"
This makes it easier for health services to deal with it.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/mar/13/rfl-super-league-fixtures-leeds-pull-out-catalans-coronovirus
Italians are staying in now because there is nowhere for them to go and because of what has been happening in Lombardy.
My view is, if the science experts see no reason to keep the kids home from school and keep my wife and me home from work then it's no time for panic.
I was quite surprised at how normal things are out there in the world (particularly Friday's shenanigans). I spend a bit too much time reading online hysteria and should know better, that the real world is usually much calmer and much more grounded in sensible reality (just as it was after the Brexit vote, when the sum total of the ;post-referendum online hysteria amounted to commiting suicide quickly).
Good luck......
The UK and any other country, should be using the available information from all other countries.
He said this is a seminal moment for Germany and France as their borders close
And how easy will it be for it to be re-opened and when
People who casually say "Oh I had flu last week, but I'm fine now" haven't had flu. It is massively worse than any cold you have ever had.
Can I suggest downloading Yousician for your tablet or mobile phone.
I'm using the enforced being at home to learn the piano.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8114189/Spanish-police-use-megaphones-tell-people-stay-indoors-face-25-000-fines.html
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Could not businesses like that which would be perfectly viable but for the crisis simply be saved through a combination of temporary redundancies/unpaid leave and bridging loans?
We will establish a significant public stake in electronics, pharmaceuticals, health equipment and building materials; and also in other important sectors, as required in the national interest.
http://www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1983/1983-labour-manifesto.shtml
We all have to do our bit now....I'm not claiming cancellation fees on bookings...
I'm paying our cleaner a 50% retainer for however long.....
We need to support QE for businesses across the board.....
Currently infected: 13.272 (+1582 compared to yesterday)
Total deaths: 1218 (+252)
Total hospitalized: 4898 (+602)
Total in intensive care: 757 (+25)
Life is still to be lived, just with sensible precautions. Work as normal tommorow.
https://twitter.com/davidasinclair/status/1238972082756648960