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The British way: we shall all get a turn but please form an orderly queue.noneoftheabove said:
That is the British way.kinabalu said:
I don't think it will be. Or if it is, it will be in name only. In essence I see this as formalizing via government advice what is already common sense. If you are at high risk (of death or severe illness from the virus) hunker down to minimize your chances of infection both for your sake and in the national interest - since the number one priority is to stop the NHS falling over.Cyclefree said:If the quarantine is compulsory, how on earth can it be enforced? What are the police going to do? Arrest 72 year olds? And do what with them?
It won't be enforced by the police or by anybody else. No problem, because it won't need to be. Most people will follow the "instructions" because they will be scared of serious illness and death and/or they will feel a sense of duty to stay well and out of overstretched hospitals at this time of national crisis.
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He has a lung problem caused by working in the chemical industry, a bout of pneumonia nearly killed him a couple of years ago. He leads a very active life living abroad during the winter months. He's absolutely doing the right thing.OldKingCole said:
I think your uncle is right. It was suggested to us that we go to family in Thailand for three months, but that option is closed off now.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I get it, my mum is 75 (and has a twin brother) - she is out and about everyday and maintains a great social life. She had a very busy working life, so finds it impossible to really relax.OldKingCole said:
I read this as advice if one HAS coronavirus symptoms.CarlottaVance said:Self Isolation advice:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/
I'm one of the oldest people who post here. I get the impression that some of these 40/50 yr olds think people like my wife and I don't have much of a life
Our diary for next week ought to be
Monday. Me Gym. Wife Chiropody (can't reach our toenails easily.) Then she should be going to a lace-making Group and I go to the chiropodist.
Tuesday she's booked at Weight Watchers (don't know why, she looks good to me, but there you are)
I'm going to a U3a Group meeting.
Wednesday's gym for me, then go and meet a group of friends for coffee. In the afternoon, there's another, big, U3a meeting.
Thursday we're booked to go to a pub lunch with U3a friends and in the afternoon I've got a WEA meeting.
Friday I've two U3a groups.
Admittedly it's quite a busy week, but I can't cope without getting about.
I don't know which, apart from the gym, I'm going to cancel. If any!
All the U3a events are for 60+-er's.
My uncle travels for months on end, and has already been in touch to say he has no intention of returning to the UK unless forced to, he feels he is at much less risk of contracting illness in a hot climate. He's not in Europe, so I can't say I blame him.0 -
I note that the Dutch seem to be following our trajectory. The German figures are quite remarkable.FrancisUrquhart said:The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.0 -
I suggested the solution above. Over 70s quarantine for 6 days a week. Everyone else does it on Sunday.1
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HYUFD said:
Presumably twice a day walk around the garden is the solution for over 70s facing quarantine
Twice around the window box?Gallowgate said:
Assuming they have a garden...HYUFD said:Presumably twice a day walk around the garden is the solution for over 70s facing quarantine
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Yes, was me.alex_ said:Someone suggested yesterday's jump in numbers was likely due to a one off factor to do with testing resources.
My bro is senior in NHS and he told me to expect a big jump yesterday because the time between test and result was cut from 5 days to 2 days.
A one time artificial factor.0 -
The only figure that is of much use in comparisons now is the mortality rate.FrancisUrquhart said:The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.2 -
Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.4 -
I know the initial outbreak was much younger people, but it does appear they might well be doing something to reduce death rates. Obviously, I hope they are disseminating to other countries whatever their procedure is.tlg86 said:
I note that the Dutch seem to be following our trajectory. The German figures are quite remarkable.FrancisUrquhart said:The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.0 -
Even my block of flats has grass at the front you can walk onGallowgate said:
Assuming they have a garden...HYUFD said:Presumably twice a day walk around the garden is the solution for over 70s facing quarantine
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Not a great question.Gabs3 said:Over 50s number is shocking:
https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1238908474219782145
Old Republicans could take the view that they/their friends have had good lives and if it is their time to go then so be it0 -
Are these numbers published regularly anywhere? They are crucial for understanding of the timing of new measures by the Government.FrancisUrquhart said:The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
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You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.0 -
Testing in hospitals will largely focus on personnel rather than patients.Barnesian said:
But if the tests are now focused on serious cases in hospital you would expect a higher % of positives. So it is not a like for like measure.maaarsh said:
They release the number of tests, and there is no sign of any decline so these are at least a like for like measure, although clearly there will be a large multiple of cases not formally diagnosed.tyson said:
We are not testing...unless at hospital...eadric said:The UK stats today aren't actually THAT bad.
A tiny glimmer of hope?
Sadly, the spike in numbers are those in hospital I guess who are showing extreme symptoms....0 -
So you want everyone in the block of flats go walk around the grass at the front? Doesn’t that defeat the point?HYUFD said:
Even my block of flats has grass at the front you can walk onGallowgate said:
Assuming they have a garden...HYUFD said:Presumably twice a day walk around the garden is the solution for over 70s facing quarantine
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The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point0
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... and how likely is that?Charles said:
Not a great question.Gabs3 said:Over 50s number is shocking:
https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1238908474219782145
Old Republicans could take the view that they/their friends have had good lives and if it is their time to go then so be it0 -
Probably not good psychologically, but physiology it should make no difference since this is a new bugger.Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.0 -
The British and German, and Spanish and Italian patterns of the disease seem to be diverging.dr_spyn said:Big jump in deaths in Spain.
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No i mean that is why you only take measures when necessary. People stand for it in the main because they are law abiding. I suspect it would be accepted in the UK too.Stocky said:
You mean, because we wouldn`t stand for it? I`m amazed that Italians are standing for it - maybe they are not and the current government over there is doomed.felix said:
It all depends how bad it gets. But that is what lockdown means - there are plenty in the UK asking why we aren't following Italy and the Europeans already. Now you have the answer.Stocky said:
I heard on the radio that in Italy people are being arrested for leaving their houses to walk their dog. I don`t think that we in Britain would stand for this.Black_Rook said:
That'll be interesting if they try that over here. Policemen dishing out on-the-spot fines of a weeks' pension to dotty old octogenarian dears with mild cognitive impairment tottering back from the corner shop will not go down at all well.felix said:
Here in Spain they are arresting people and dishing out large fines for those who stay at home means go out for a bike ride or a walk.Black_Rook said:
The existing advice for the seven days' worth of self isolation for suspected cases is entitled "Stay at home" and explicitly states that "You cannot go for a walk."rkrkrk said:I may be missing something but self isolation =/= staying at home?
Presumably going out for a long walk in nature is totally fine.
I assume this means that elderly and medically vulnerable self-isolators will also be trapped inside (unless they live in houses with enclosed back gardens, which will allow them to get outdoors without coming into contact or close to any other people.)
You can therefore appreciate why the Government is stalling for as long as possible. It is a Draconian measure.0 -
Yeah but... you would be interacting with your neighbours who have the same idea. A big fine from Boris will be on its way to you and them!HYUFD said:
Even my block of flats has grass at the front you can walk onGallowgate said:
Assuming they have a garden...HYUFD said:Presumably twice a day walk around the garden is the solution for over 70s facing quarantine
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It isn't so much flu, it the reports that even young and healthy people often get pneumonia. If you have had that, it can be a very unsettling experience.Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.0 -
That is the view expressed by some people I know.logical_song said:
... and how likely is that?Charles said:
Not a great question.Gabs3 said:Over 50s number is shocking:
https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1238908474219782145
Old Republicans could take the view that they/their friends have had good lives and if it is their time to go then so be it0 -
O/T
This makes me angry.
"Daughter of wealthy Qatar family lives in constant fear of kidnap
A woman who fled to Britain is terrified she will meet the same fate as the two captive Dubai princesses"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/daughter-of-wealthy-qatar-family-lives-in-constant-fear-of-kidnap-n6vkjd6qn
https://twitter.com/AishalQahtani/status/12391887028757831690 -
I enjoyed an excellent Hawaiian pizza in Pisa last year.FrancisUrquhart said:
I can't believe any store even dares to sell that in Italy !!!dr_spyn said:Pizza with pineapple still not selling well.
twitter.com/bianco222/status/12388303416301076600 -
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.eadric said:
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.1 -
Fenster's comments are very worrying for how things are closing in.....eadric said:
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
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I am not sure the fact that it seems via a combination of luck and hard work firefighting hot spots early on, we are still at the start of the ramp and people are convincing themselves well we won't be like Italy. The worst that will happen is we might run out of bog roll.eadric said:
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.0 -
I believe he lives there and was in Milan for a visit.Andy_JS said:The mind boggles as to why a 74 year old Italian who'd been in Milan would travel to the Central African Republic, one of the most dangerous countries in the world.
"1st case in the Central African Republic: a 74-year-old Italian who had recently been in Milan [source]"
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/0 -
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)tyson said:The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?0 -
Putin might see that as an open invitation!williamglenn said:0 -
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?Fenster said:
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.eadric said:
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
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Mmm, perhaps this is their punishment for that.FrancisUrquhart said:I think some of the nuttier elements on twitter will want to see oldies locked up for breaking the rules, cos they voted Brexit and Tory.....
Your question about test numbers -
I think the number of "new" tests is being temporarily and artificially inflated by backlog catch-up as tests are now being processed more quickly, within 48 hours rather than taking an average of 5 days.
Once this has worked through we should see the numbers drop - if the assumption that testing is only on hospitalized patients is correct.0 -
I agree wholeheartely with the first paragraph. The changes in total counts over a half a week or so does make sense, if the same type of testing is done. Obvioulsy if there is a systematic change in testing suchas a move from testing all those who want to be tested to testing only those admitted to hospital with relevant systems is going to make the data difficult to interpret.FrancisUrquhart said:The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.
As for where the UK fits in to Germany vs Italy, Germany is really not that different from Italy. The infection rate is a bit slower in Germany but with over 5400 cases and an exponential increase, it is still bad here. The UK death rate is very different from in Germany. Why? I don't know. Perhaps the health care system in Germany is superb, perhaps elderly Germans are reporting symptoms more quickly, and getting treated early. It's too early to tell.0 -
Indeed, and what a 'helpful' time for the NHS to have run out of pneumonia vaccine. I asked for one last week and they said 'Sorry, we haven't had any for 3-4 months'.FrancisUrquhart said:
It isn't so much flu, it the reports that even young and healthy people often get pneumonia. If you have had that, it can be a very unsettling experience.Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.0 -
I have grasped it. I'm aware of every bit of advice that's come out. Wash your hands, be sensible, go about your business as usual until you get ill, then stay at home. I didn't see any advice about pissing my pants and scaring everyone to death with apocalyptic comments online.eadric said:Fenster said:
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.eadric said:
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
You haven't even tried to grasp how social distancing, isolation, and quarantine can work to contain this vile disease (as we see in other countries). I fear if I continue further I will insult you, so I will leave it there.2 -
This is the element I am most uncomfortable about in regards to the UK government strategy. This idea of just not going to test the public. As I say, unless there will actually be sampling going on, but they don't want to issue a Trump style BS promise of all those that want to get tested, get a test.kinabalu said:
Mmm, perhaps this is their punishment for that.FrancisUrquhart said:I think some of the nuttier elements on twitter will want to see oldies locked up for breaking the rules, cos they voted Brexit and Tory.....
Your question about test numbers -
I think the number of "new" tests is being temporarily and artificially inflated by backlog catch-up as tests are now being processed more quickly, within 48 hours rather than taking an average of 5 days.
Once this has worked through we should see the numbers drop - if the assumption that testing is only on hospitalized patients is correct.1 -
Thanks Fenster. I didn't say we were living totally normally. We're avoiding the bigger groups, washing regularly and that sort of thing..Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Sorry to hear about Doddie Weir. MND is a horrible disease, and, as of this moment, once you get it, that's it. Slowly. And your mind is clear.0 -
With respect, I can't see that Germany is not strongly different from Italy. As far as I can understand it, the curve that Italy was on in the same period is not the same as Germany's, so far.eristdoof said:
I agree wholeheartely with the first paragraph. The changes in total counts over a half a week or so does make sense, if the same type of testing is done. Obvioulsy if there is a systematic change in testing suchas a move from testing all those who want to be tested to testing only those admitted to hospital with relevant systems is going to make the data difficult to interpret.FrancisUrquhart said:The reality is that the number of reported positive cases now don't really matter. We know 10,000+ have it, and people are now dying in increasing numbers.
Obviously the important numbers for the eggheads is how many people are now requiring hospital treatment for it.
Us on here looking at this data in the same way as opinion polls, now tells us very little. At the moment it does seem like it is more the Germany trajectory than Italy, but couple of weeks and the horror stories will start.
As for where the UK fits in to Germany vs Italy, Germany is really not that different from Italy. The infection rate is a bit slower in Germany but with over 5400 cases and an exponential increase, it is still bad here. The UK death rate is very different from in Germany. Why? I don't know. Perhaps the health care system in Germany is superb, perhaps elderly Germans are reporting symptoms more quickly, and getting treated early. It's too early to tell.0 -
The advice is you have to be at least 2 metres away from the public.HYUFD said:
Even my block of flats has grass at the front you can walk onGallowgate said:
Assuming they have a garden...HYUFD said:Presumably twice a day walk around the garden is the solution for over 70s facing quarantine
We are fortunate that it is not a problem but many will haveva problem with that
And are we all to suffer Sky' s depressing virus backdrop for months0 -
I'm fairly sure I've never had the flu. My take is that it means we might be a bit less mentally prepared for the experience but it isn't really significant in the grand scheme of things. And hey, maybe it means my immune system is really good against flu viruses?Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
I'm not banking on the latter, for the record.0 -
If you are in a high risk group and carrying on as normal then you are playing Russian Roulette.Black_Rook said:
Yes - until the call goes out to self-isolate I see no reason why people shouldn't go about their business essentially as normal.Morris_Dancer said:Incidentally, what's the current official advice on visiting parents/grandparents?
I've had a quick look but from what I could see then, providing there's no fever/cough it's still deemed ok.
As has been much discussed here and elsewhere recently, quarantine for older people and the medically vulnerable is going to be something of an ordeal, and a lengthy one at that. There is no point in prolonging that situation (e.g. by self-isolating immediately) unnecessarily. Some people will do that anyway because they're very frightened, but for those who aren't they might as well keep calm and carry on until instructed otherwise.
The CDC advice is to keep your head down. And this applies to the rest of the household too - minimise contact with the outside world. That is what we are doing, as my wife is taking immunosuppressant medication.1 -
My kids are going to school in the morning with 750 other kids. I'll go to work tomorrow and come into contact with 100 people. What's the point of me staying at home when I'll likely catch it through the kids anyway.tyson said:
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?Fenster said:
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.eadric said:
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.0 -
Careful, you could get banned for admitting that on this forum!SandyRentool said:
I enjoyed an excellent Hawaiian pizza in Pisa last year.FrancisUrquhart said:
I can't believe any store even dares to sell that in Italy !!!dr_spyn said:Pizza with pineapple still not selling well.
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alex_ said:
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)tyson said:The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?
Italy is dealing with a hotspot....so let's hope in these days we can ready ICU beds...
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Twitter wilfully misunderstanding the facts.northern_monkey said:If true, v classy:
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1239204731844780033?s=21
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Coronavirus is the rolling news networks' Christmases all coming at once. The coverage is sensational and really not as informative as it should be.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The advice is you have to be at least 2 metres away from the public.HYUFD said:
Even my block of flats has grass at the front you can walk onGallowgate said:
Assuming they have a garden...HYUFD said:Presumably twice a day walk around the garden is the solution for over 70s facing quarantine
We are fortunate that it is not a problem but many will haveva problem with that
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Mr. Fenster, delays it.
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I'm working in court tomorrow- quite frankly it appalls me since I have deliberately not got into a public venue this weekendFenster said:
My kids are going to school in the morning with 750 other kids. I'll go to work tomorrow and come into contact with 100 people. What's the point of me staying at home when I'll likely catch it through the kids anyway.tyson said:
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?Fenster said:
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.eadric said:
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
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One sport going rigidly with Govt advice...
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Interpret the story how you will. It's Trump we are talking about!Charles said:
Twitter wilfully misunderstanding the facts.northern_monkey said:If true, v classy:
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1239204731844780033?s=21
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I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
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Yes - my cousin is gobsmacked at what Johnson said and has told me to stay indoors.tyson said:
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?Fenster said:
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.eadric said:
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
Italians are staying in now because there is nowhere for them to go and because of what has been happening in Lombardy.0 -
Well yes - but it means looking to Italy/Spain to indicate when things might really start getting restrictive in this country may not be very reliable.JM1 said:
I suspect Italy had a far larger number of undiagnosed cases than we have. After 40000 tests, Italy had 7000 cases, whilst we have a much smaller number (which will of course rise rapidly). We clearly have many undiagnosed cases (many, based on what was reported from Iceland may be completely asymptomatic) but it might be that we can control the epidemic a little better in terms of timing than Italy / Spain. Let's certainly hope so...alex_ said:
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)tyson said:The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?0 -
You know when you've had a flu rather than a cold....you feel washed out and look gaunt for at least a couple of weeks after.....eristdoof said:
I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
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I understand that, but I can't exactly cry off work when the kids are in school.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Fenster, delays it.
This makes it easier for health services to deal with it.
My view is, if the science experts see no reason to keep the kids home from school and keep my wife and me home from work then it's no time for panic.
I was quite surprised at how normal things are out there in the world (particularly Friday's shenanigans). I spend a bit too much time reading online hysteria and should know better, that the real world is usually much calmer and much more grounded in sensible reality (just as it was after the Brexit vote, when the sum total of the ;post-referendum online hysteria amounted to commiting suicide quickly).0 -
I've had flu once. Perhaps the obvious main difference from a heavy cold is the complete loss of appetite. I didn't eat at all for about 5 days.eristdoof said:
I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.0 -
It could be that north/south cultural differences in such an easily transmissible disease are playing a major role, so far.0
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But it could. The insistance that German CureVac employees move to the USA to work there should be a big red flag, if the plan were for it to be an internaltional project.Charles said:
Twitter wilfully misunderstanding the facts.northern_monkey said:If true, v classy:
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1239204731844780033?s=21
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Anyway, I'm off to take my boy to A&E. He's rolled his ankle quite badly. The dope.0
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Report back what A&E is like!Fenster said:Anyway, I'm off to take my boy to A&E. He's rolled his ankle quite badly. The dope.
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Well yes - but it means looking to Italy/Spain to indicate when things might really start getting restrictive in this country may not be very reliable.alex_ said:JM1 said:
I suspect Italy had a far larger number of undiagnosed cases than we have. After 40000 tests, Italy had 7000 cases, whilst we have a much smaller number (which will of course rise rapidly). We clearly have many undiagnosed cases (many, based on what was reported from Iceland may be completely asymptomatic) but it might be that we can control the epidemic a little better in terms of timing than Italy / Spain. Let's certainly hope so...alex_ said:
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)tyson said:The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?
The UK and any other country, should be using the available information from all other countries.0 -
I presume the Trump Vaccine will come in gold packaging with his name in massive letters on the side....0
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SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff0
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I wonder what Byronic would have made of the matter? I miss his posts.eadric said:
Fair enough. For me it is simply logical that social distancing works, and should now be enacted by responsible citizens - e.g. work from home if you can (of course many can't), don't go to big gatherings of people, don't go to crowded pubs.Fenster said:
My kids are going to school in the morning with 750 other kids. I'll go to work tomorrow and come into contact with 100 people. What's the point of me staying at home when I'll likely catch it through the kids anyway.tyson said:
All my Italian friends and family have contacted us to stay at home.....Why do you think they have done that?Fenster said:
I would suggest that it is you who is in a very small minority, not me.eadric said:
This is how EXACTLY people initially reacted in Italy. with a shrug and a MEH and off they toddled to the café for an espresso with their friends.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serih fewer regrets.
Then the deaths came, and the horror stories, and the young people getting ill, and the crematoria working 24/7 to burn the bodies.
Now the Italians do NOT behave like you.
I might be wrong and I might die but I'm not going to worry myself stupid until it happens, just like all the other people going about their daily business aren't.
Perhaps our personal circumstances are different: I have several friends and close relatives who in very high risk groups - they would likely die if they catch this. So maybe that explains why I am more cautious than you, as you don't have any close family or friends who are at risk?0 -
One of the world's best airlines - what a shame.Charles said:SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff
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It certainly looks like that. I don't think it's "racist" to say so, (especially since we're talking about Europeans).WhisperingOracle said:It could be that the north/south cultural differences in such an easily transmissible disease are playing a major role so far.
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Sky's Europe correspondent reporting from Lille has said that this evening Germany will close the border with France as well as Austria and Switzerland
He said this is a seminal moment for Germany and France as their borders close
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Agree. Best wishes to your son.Gallowgate said:
Report back what A&E is like!Fenster said:Anyway, I'm off to take my boy to A&E. He's rolled his ankle quite badly. The dope.
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I was talking about people on here using the numbers to question the Govt's assertions. Not the Govt.eristdoof said:
The UK and any other country, should be using the available information from all other countries.alex_ said:
Well yes - but it means looking to Italy/Spain to indicate when things might really start getting restrictive in this country may not be very reliable.JM1 said:
I suspect Italy had a far larger number of undiagnosed cases than we have. After 40000 tests, Italy had 7000 cases, whilst we have a much smaller number (which will of course rise rapidly). We clearly have many undiagnosed cases (many, based on what was reported from Iceland may be completely asymptomatic) but it might be that we can control the epidemic a little better in terms of timing than Italy / Spain. Let's certainly hope so...alex_ said:
How long ago was it that we were reading horrific stories out of Northern Italy about the hospitals overloaded, young and old alike presenting unable to cope any further etc etc. Was it really only about a week ago? The reporting out of UK hospitals hasn't been anything like on the same level (yet). In fact, unless I've missed it, we've been hearing hardly anything about conditions in hospitals (other than a few people nicking handgel)tyson said:The death rate suggests we are about 10 days behind Italy....Italy closed shop a week last Saturday......so Wednesday or Thursday next week will be our point
The Govt experts are saying they expect the peak in six weeks time. And they are hoping the peak will be containable within NHS capacity. That doesn't compute with everything collapsing in a few days.
Which suggests we are in a far better position than raw numbers suggest?0 -
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Sounds like Corbyn won the argument!SandyRentool said:1 -
I've had flu twice, when 19 and 26. I had a ferocious fever and "lost" 36 hours both times. Weak as a kitten after it both times.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I've had flu once. Perhaps the obvious main difference from a heavy cold is the complete loss of appetite. I didn't eat at all for about 5 days.eristdoof said:
I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
People who casually say "Oh I had flu last week, but I'm fine now" haven't had flu. It is massively worse than any cold you have ever had.0 -
Stuck at home?
Can I suggest downloading Yousician for your tablet or mobile phone.
I'm using the enforced being at home to learn the piano.0 -
Spanish police use megaphones to warn people to stay indoors or face arrest and £25 000 fines or jail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8114189/Spanish-police-use-megaphones-tell-people-stay-indoors-face-25-000-fines.html0 -
Southern Europeans often seem to have no concept of personal space.Andy_JS said:
It certainly looks like that. I don't think it's "racist" to say so, (especially since we're talking about Europeans).WhisperingOracle said:It could be that the north/south cultural differences in such an easily transmissible disease are playing a major role so far.
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Back to pre Thatcher privatisations then and more of Corbyn's manifesto of nationalisations comes in by the back doorSandyRentool said:1 -
Yes - you’re poleaxed - it’s a very different animal from a bad cold.MarqueeMark said:
I've had flu twice, when 19 and 26. I had a ferocious fever and "lost" 36 hours both times. Weak as a kitten after it both times.FeersumEnjineeya said:
I've had flu once. Perhaps the obvious main difference from a heavy cold is the complete loss of appetite. I didn't eat at all for about 5 days.eristdoof said:
I would say, you know it if you have had flu except if it as a young child. It is noticeably different from a bad cold. I have only had it twice before 30 and thankfully not at all in the last 20 years.Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
People who casually say "Oh I had flu last week, but I'm fine now" haven't had flu. It is massively worse than any cold you have ever had.0 -
It's intended for babies and people over 65. So there isn't a stock on demand.rural_voter said:
Indeed, and what a 'helpful' time for the NHS to have run out of pneumonia vaccine. I asked for one last week and they said 'Sorry, we haven't had any for 3-4 months'.FrancisUrquhart said:
It isn't so much flu, it the reports that even young and healthy people often get pneumonia. If you have had that, it can be a very unsettling experience.Gallowgate said:You know, I don’t think I’ve ever had flu. Especially not the way it is described by some...
I’m not sure if that’s a good thing, a bad thing, or nothing at all, when it comes to this pandemic.
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That could be complicated. I mean, would the Government nationalise IAG, or hive off the BA part of it?alex_ said:
I reckon BA will be nationalised.Charles said:SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff
Could not businesses like that which would be perfectly viable but for the crisis simply be saved through a combination of temporary redundancies/unpaid leave and bridging loans?1 -
That's one way of looking at it ; they regard northern europeans as frosty and detached.MarqueeMark said:
Southern Europeans often seem to have no concept of personal space.Andy_JS said:
It certainly looks like that. I don't think it's "racist" to say so, (especially since we're talking about Europeans).WhisperingOracle said:It could be that the north/south cultural differences in such an easily transmissible disease are playing a major role so far.
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Will be the same for restaurant, cafe, pub, hotel, bar, nightclub, hairdressers, shop staff etc, unless only temporary until Covid 19 cleared upeadric said:
Just saw that. 10,000 jobs gone, in a moment.Charles said:SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff
10,000 families, losing a breadwinner...
So sad.0 -
That'll be you if you wander out onto that lawn.HYUFD said:Spanish police use megaphones to warn people to stay indoors or face arrest and £25 000 fines or jail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8114189/Spanish-police-use-megaphones-tell-people-stay-indoors-face-25-000-fines.html0 -
Not if it is your lawn and others who use it are trespassingSandyRentool said:
That'll be you if you wander out onto that lawn.HYUFD said:Spanish police use megaphones to warn people to stay indoors or face arrest and £25 000 fines or jail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8114189/Spanish-police-use-megaphones-tell-people-stay-indoors-face-25-000-fines.html0 -
The Tories have already implemented Michael Foot's policy on the EU. They may now get a chance to implement the rest of his manifesto.HYUFD said:
Back to pre Thatcher privatisations then and more of Corbyn's manifesto of nationalisations comes in by the back doorSandyRentool said:
We will establish a significant public stake in electronics, pharmaceuticals, health equipment and building materials; and also in other important sectors, as required in the national interest.
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HYUFD said:
Will be the same for restaurant, cafe, hotel, bar, nightclub, hairdressers, shop staff etc, unless only temporary until Covid 19 cleared upeadric said:
Just saw that. 10,000 jobs gone, in a moment.Charles said:SAS (Swedish BA) is laying off 90% of its staff
10,000 families, losing a breadwinner...
So sad.
We all have to do our bit now....I'm not claiming cancellation fees on bookings...
I'm paying our cleaner a 50% retainer for however long.....
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Given that I specialise in life sciences, with a particular focus on vaccines, I'm happy to interpret the story as I have.Mexicanpete said:
Interpret the story how you will. It's Trump we are talking about!Charles said:
Twitter wilfully misunderstanding the facts.northern_monkey said:If true, v classy:
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1239204731844780033?s=21
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News from Lombardy
Currently infected: 13.272 (+1582 compared to yesterday)
Total deaths: 1218 (+252)
Total hospitalized: 4898 (+602)
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Yes, there is room to keep things in proportion. Last Monday I went to what may have been the last Premier League game of the season, worked all week, ran some errands in town after my Saturday ward round in a busy city centre. Ate out with friends In a local restaurant in the evening, and went to Church this morning. Plenty of hand washing, no facial touching, congregation well spread out across the pews.Fenster said:Some of the more fearful and fatalistic comments on here are, I think, way over the top. The virus is serious but why should Old King Cole be told to cancel all his weekly appointments? If he and his wife are well they should continue as normal.
I was over the rugby club until 3am yesterday morning, there must've been 250 people over there. The Scots came down from Jed Thistle, the great Gary Armstrong was with them (he told us Doddie Weir, sadly, is not in great condition), two games of rugby were played, the Scots boys played the bagpipes and we all got very pissed, including all the old boys.
I took my boy to Ramp World in Cardiff yesterday and it was as packed as ever, I went to Tescos this morning and apart from a pasta shortage it was fine... and I've just been over the local pub for Sunday dinner where it was as jam-packed as it always is. The wife and me will go to work and the kids will go to school in the morning, as usual.
Most people don't live by the fear and hysteria-culture of Twitter or social media and just get the feck on with it. And will die with fewer regrets.
Life is still to be lived, just with sensible precautions. Work as normal tommorow.0 -
One or two interesting links lower down this thread:
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Braemar update: still moored at the Bahamas; last report suggests the ship’s doctor may be displaying Corona symptoms.0
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Total healed ? This seems a very important figure to me. The deaths are at a horribly high, but roughly static level, but the number of new intensive care cases seems to be coming down. Maybe the infrastructure and treatment is beginning to cope better.AndreaParma_82 said:News from Lombardy
Currently infected: 13.272 (+1582 compared to yesterday)
Total deaths: 1218 (+252)
Total hospitalized: 4898 (+602)
Total in intensive care: 757 (+25)0
