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They rioted because visits were curtailed - Can you imagine the damage an infected visitor could inflict in that sort of enclosed environment.eadric said:Christ.
Maybe fake news, of course. There are certainly alarming reports of serious unrest in Italian prisons.
This is another big fear: widespread civil disorder.
https://twitter.com/NetworksManager/status/1237016122475589634?s=20
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You f***ing idiot. He's saying other people are suggesting that, not that he is. Moron.Scott_xP said:3 -
Went to London for a meeting earlier - all I heard from people on train, security outside my London office and people at meeting was .... the VirusMarqueeMark said:
Not seen a single mask yet.....eadric said:
How many are wearing masks? 0.1%?MarqueeMark said:On the GWR (Germ Warfare Run) to Paddington.
Bloody thing is half empty, but that half are sneezing and coughing like they've never heard of Covid-19....
This is the crazy thing. If everyone wore a mask infections would plummet. It's so simple, and it's one big reason Asia is handling this better than us. They all wear masks.
Western individualism is going to kill us.
But not one mask seen0 -
Don’s going to be pissed.
Video retweeted by Donald Trump becomes first ever to be labelled 'manipulated' by Twitter
Despite being tagged as "manipulated", it has been watched more than six million times and been retweeted by the president .
https://news.sky.com/story/video-retweeted-by-donald-trump-becomes-first-ever-to-be-labelled-manipulated-by-twitter-119536410 -
Closing schools is a terrible idea as children will still socialise and who is going to look after the children for working parents if they're suddenly off school?
(NOT a rhetorical question)2 -
I envision the French having a yellow vest type rally or strike rally over Macron decision to impose restrictions.eadric said:
There will be police shooting at people, in Italy, within a fortnight, if their situation continues to worsen at this present rate.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think they need to get the Chinese on the blower and fly them in to sort it all out.eadric said:Christ.
Maybe fake news, of course. There are certainly alarming reports of serious unrest in Italian prisons.
This is another big fear: widespread civil disorder.
twitter.com/NetworksManager/status/1237016122475589634?s=200 -
Can you actually buy them if you wanted to?Floater said:
Went to London for a meeting earlier - all I heard from people on train, security outside my London office and people at meeting was .... the VirusMarqueeMark said:
Not seen a single mask yet.....eadric said:
How many are wearing masks? 0.1%?MarqueeMark said:On the GWR (Germ Warfare Run) to Paddington.
Bloody thing is half empty, but that half are sneezing and coughing like they've never heard of Covid-19....
This is the crazy thing. If everyone wore a mask infections would plummet. It's so simple, and it's one big reason Asia is handling this better than us. They all wear masks.
Western individualism is going to kill us.
But not one mask seen0 -
The day is yet to arrive when Scott will actually read and understand what he is sharingPhilip_Thompson said:
You f***ing idiot. He's saying other people are suggesting that, not that he is. Moron.Scott_xP said:2 -
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!0 -
Looks like we've learned from the WA fiasco:
https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1237023469302415360?s=200 -
Serious point - you should not buy themnichomar said:
Can you actually buy them if you wanted to?Floater said:
Went to London for a meeting earlier - all I heard from people on train, security outside my London office and people at meeting was .... the VirusMarqueeMark said:
Not seen a single mask yet.....eadric said:
How many are wearing masks? 0.1%?MarqueeMark said:On the GWR (Germ Warfare Run) to Paddington.
Bloody thing is half empty, but that half are sneezing and coughing like they've never heard of Covid-19....
This is the crazy thing. If everyone wore a mask infections would plummet. It's so simple, and it's one big reason Asia is handling this better than us. They all wear masks.
Western individualism is going to kill us.
But not one mask seen
Leave them for the health professionals who need them more than us.5 -
Of course the clip's been taken out of context.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!0 -
Believe it or not the French continue to allow demonstrations........ its an exemption from new measuresFrancisUrquhart said:
I envision the French having a yellow vest type rally or strike rally over Macron decision to impose restrictions.eadric said:
There will be police shooting at people, in Italy, within a fortnight, if their situation continues to worsen at this present rate.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think they need to get the Chinese on the blower and fly them in to sort it all out.eadric said:Christ.
Maybe fake news, of course. There are certainly alarming reports of serious unrest in Italian prisons.
This is another big fear: widespread civil disorder.
twitter.com/NetworksManager/status/1237016122475589634?s=201 -
While all greeting each new member by doing La Bise?Floater said:
Believe it or not the French continue to allow demonstrations........ its an exemption from new measuresFrancisUrquhart said:
I envision the French having a yellow vest type rally or strike rally over Macron decision to impose restrictions.eadric said:
There will be police shooting at people, in Italy, within a fortnight, if their situation continues to worsen at this present rate.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think they need to get the Chinese on the blower and fly them in to sort it all out.eadric said:Christ.
Maybe fake news, of course. There are certainly alarming reports of serious unrest in Italian prisons.
This is another big fear: widespread civil disorder.
twitter.com/NetworksManager/status/1237016122475589634?s=200 -
It's completely out of context. He's literally pointing out what some other ideas are that the government aren't pursuing because they are poor ideas.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!4 -
It seems very suspiciously edited, in that he says one theory and then as he starts to say my view is...it cuts off.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!
Given this was from last Thursday on the most watched daytime tv programme, if that is really what he said in context, don't you think all the media would have been all over it by now?
I am not fan of Boris, but that is deeply irresponsible from a blue check mark individual on twitter.3 -
You mean oversold, don't you?Gardenwalker said:If you believe my logic in the post earlier, then stocks are already undersold. Sentiment is currently panicking, driven by -
- European slowdown / guaranteed recession.
- Poor political leadership in US on the virus.
- The oil dispute1 -
I certainly agree with you on this one. How many health care professionals will be having to take time off to look after their school age children if the scholls are closed?Philip_Thompson said:Closing schools is a terrible idea as children will still socialise and who is going to look after the children for working parents if they're suddenly off school?
(NOT a rhetorical question)2 -
In the last week in 7 days the increase in the UK was 7.8 fold*rcs1000 said:
Isn't there a 6 day doubling time with (essentially) no measures in place to slow the spread?noneoftheabove said:
In 2 weeks time we should expect there to be 5-10x the number of people with Covid 19 as there are now. That might be the time to introduce the ban on crowds at sporting fixtures.Philip_Thompson said:
A two-week ban is meaningless virtue signalling.FrancisUrquhart said:
I can't believe we aren't stopping sport events, even Greece are doing that...Scott_xP said:
With cases of the coronavirus jumping from 45 to 73 in less than 48 hours in Greece, health authorities have announced further precautionary measures to be enforced with immediate effect. The measures, which include a two-week ban on sporting events.
Does anyone seriously believe this crisis will be over in 2 weeks time?
So that two weeks isn't 5-10x, it's more like 4- x
If you introduce measures to limit gatherings and travel, and that people are encouraged to work from home, etc., then I would suspect that growth (as seen in South Korea and Singapore) rapidly slows.
That's not a panacea, of course, because once those restrictions are lifted then growth starts again. But with proper management you can really slow the speed at which the virus spreads.
Other western Europe figures are: germany 8.9 fold
in France 12 fold, in Italy (only) 6.6 fold, in the netherlands 26 fold, in Norway 10 fold in Switerland 14 fold.
Saying that there will be a 4-fold increase in 2 weeks is way off the mark.
*Figures taken from https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/ comparing 8th March with 1st March
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Can you actually buy them if you wanted to?Floater said:
Went to London for a meeting earlier - all I heard from people on train, security outside my London office and people at meeting was .... the VirusMarqueeMark said:
Not seen a single mask yet.....eadric said:
How many are wearing masks? 0.1%?MarqueeMark said:On the GWR (Germ Warfare Run) to Paddington.
Bloody thing is half empty, but that half are sneezing and coughing like they've never heard of Covid-19....
This is the crazy thing. If everyone wore a mask infections would plummet. It's so simple, and it's one big reason Asia is handling this better than us. They all wear masks.
Western individualism is going to kill us.
But not one mask seen0 -
Someone suggested it was because curtailing visits also curtails the supply of drugs, in which case perhaps there's a solution.Floater said:
They rioted because visits were curtailed - Can you imagine the damage an infected visitor could inflict in that sort of enclosed environment.eadric said:Christ.
Maybe fake news, of course. There are certainly alarming reports of serious unrest in Italian prisons.
This is another big fear: widespread civil disorder.
https://twitter.com/NetworksManager/status/1237016122475589634?s=200 -
Panic is driving the falls at the moment but when the dust settles there's still going to be a deep recession.Gardenwalker said:If you believe my logic in the post earlier, then stocks are already undersold. Sentiment is currently panicking, driven by -
- European slowdown / guaranteed recession.
- Poor political leadership in US on the virus.
- The oil dispute0 -
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte has called the coronavirus outbreak Italy's "darkest hour" but said the country would overcome it if people followed the rules.
I think I see a bit of a flaw in this request....1 -
Running scared isn`t he?Chameleon said:1 -
Although those rates cannot continue for any length of time as you get local saturation.eristdoof said:
In the last week in 7 days the increase in the UK was 7.8 fold*rcs1000 said:
Isn't there a 6 day doubling time with (essentially) no measures in place to slow the spread?noneoftheabove said:
In 2 weeks time we should expect there to be 5-10x the number of people with Covid 19 as there are now. That might be the time to introduce the ban on crowds at sporting fixtures.Philip_Thompson said:
A two-week ban is meaningless virtue signalling.FrancisUrquhart said:
I can't believe we aren't stopping sport events, even Greece are doing that...Scott_xP said:
With cases of the coronavirus jumping from 45 to 73 in less than 48 hours in Greece, health authorities have announced further precautionary measures to be enforced with immediate effect. The measures, which include a two-week ban on sporting events.
Does anyone seriously believe this crisis will be over in 2 weeks time?
So that two weeks isn't 5-10x, it's more like 4- x
If you introduce measures to limit gatherings and travel, and that people are encouraged to work from home, etc., then I would suspect that growth (as seen in South Korea and Singapore) rapidly slows.
That's not a panacea, of course, because once those restrictions are lifted then growth starts again. But with proper management you can really slow the speed at which the virus spreads.
Other western Europe figures are: germany 8.9 fold
in France 12 fold, in Italy (only) 6.6 fold, in the netherlands 26 fold, in Norway 10 fold in Switerland 14 fold.
Saying that there will be a 4-fold increase in 2 weeks is way off the mark.
*Figures taken from https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/ comparing 8th March with 1st March0 -
No fuck it let them go cold turkey.williamglenn said:
Someone suggested it was because curtailing visits also curtails the supply of drugs, in which case perhaps there's a solution.Floater said:
They rioted because visits were curtailed - Can you imagine the damage an infected visitor could inflict in that sort of enclosed environment.eadric said:Christ.
Maybe fake news, of course. There are certainly alarming reports of serious unrest in Italian prisons.
This is another big fear: widespread civil disorder.
https://twitter.com/NetworksManager/status/1237016122475589634?s=200 -
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also patient-doctor transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.0 -
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That's a point, but I actually meant a different one. Many children will suddenly be left with grandparents etc if schools are shut. Transferring the risk from schools to grandparents is the opposite of what science is suggesting right now!Benpointer said:
I certainly agree with you on this one. How many health care professionals will be having to take time off to look after their school age children if the scholls are closed?Philip_Thompson said:Closing schools is a terrible idea as children will still socialise and who is going to look after the children for working parents if they're suddenly off school?
(NOT a rhetorical question)1 -
Why speculate on spurious or foolhardy ideas?MaxPB said:
It's completely out of context. He's literally pointing out what some other ideas are that the government aren't pursuing because they are poor ideas.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!
It may well have been mischievously edited, but we don't need rambling speculation from our PM.0 -
Darkest hour?FrancisUrquhart said:Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte has called the coronavirus outbreak Italy's "darkest hour" but said the country would overcome it if people followed the rules.
I think I see a bit of a flaw in this request....
have they airbrushed Musso out of history?0 -
And that the big outbreak in Italy, includes ski resorts, which are where people spend most of their time in open air and low density.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also doctor-patient transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.0 -
I doubt that permission being granted or withheld would be decisive in determining whether French protesters will turn out or stay home.Floater said:
Believe it or not the French continue to allow demonstrations........ its an exemption from new measuresFrancisUrquhart said:
I envision the French having a yellow vest type rally or strike rally over Macron decision to impose restrictions.eadric said:
There will be police shooting at people, in Italy, within a fortnight, if their situation continues to worsen at this present rate.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think they need to get the Chinese on the blower and fly them in to sort it all out.eadric said:Christ.
Maybe fake news, of course. There are certainly alarming reports of serious unrest in Italian prisons.
This is another big fear: widespread civil disorder.
twitter.com/NetworksManager/status/1237016122475589634?s=201 -
I'm concerned about this situation and have been well before most on here...but I can think of a few moments in Italian history that most would agree were a fair bit darker.FrancisUrquhart said:Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte has called the coronavirus outbreak Italy's "darkest hour" but said the country would overcome it if people followed the rules.
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Isn't it obvious the maximum effect is obtained by doing it as early as possible? As they did in China? And 6 or 7 weeks later they have virtually eradicated it over most of the country and reduced the spread to 1% of what it was in the worst affected part.Philip_Thompson said:
It won't be a month though. This epidemic could last months or years and we're right at the start of the curve still now. If we're going to put in restrictions they need to be timed for maximum effect.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find the idea that you can't do a month in your own home without going stir crazy rather bonkers. Under normal circumstances, if you were seriously ill you could easily end up in hospital for a month and not be able to leave the ward.nichomar said:
It’s only unnecessary activities for a month, why would anyone go stir crazy because they can’t go to a football match?Philip_Thompson said:
Because it won't work and because the public won't put up with those restraints forever so when it is needed people will already be fraying at the restrictions.Scott_xP said:
Why would you not stop them now to see if we can keep the number of people lower than 5-10x ?noneoftheabove said:In 2 weeks time we should expect there to be 5-10x the number of people with Covid 19 as there are now. That might be the time to introduce the ban on crowds at sporting fixtures.
10+ years ago, I had a major op and was confined to bed at home for 3 months and then I couldn't leave the house for another 2. It really wasn't that bad, with tv, computers, doing work, learning new stuff, talking to my family.0 -
I am going to guess he was actually trying to highlight just how bad an idea that is i.e. some people think hey lets just get this thing, get over it, get immunity, job done.Mexicanpete said:
Why speculate on spurious or foolhardy ideas?MaxPB said:
It's completely out of context. He's literally pointing out what some other ideas are that the government aren't pursuing because they are poor ideas.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!
It may well have been mischievously edited, but we don't need rambling speculation from our PM.
I have had a number of people say that to me, remembering back to their childhood of having those parties where you spread around various diseases to all our kids friends.2 -
Its not rambling speculation, the PM needs to address what people are thinking and put into context what they are doing.Mexicanpete said:
Why speculate on spurious or foolhardy ideas?MaxPB said:
It's completely out of context. He's literally pointing out what some other ideas are that the government aren't pursuing because they are poor ideas.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!
It may well have been mischievously edited, but we don't need rambling speculation from our PM.0 -
No, its not obvious. We aren't China.Chris said:
Isn't it obvious the maximum effect is obtained by doing it as early as possible? As they did in China? And 6 or 7 weeks later they have virtually eradicated it over most of the country and reduced the spread to 1% of what it was in the worst affected part.Philip_Thompson said:
It won't be a month though. This epidemic could last months or years and we're right at the start of the curve still now. If we're going to put in restrictions they need to be timed for maximum effect.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find the idea that you can't do a month in your own home without going stir crazy rather bonkers. Under normal circumstances, if you were seriously ill you could easily end up in hospital for a month and not be able to leave the ward.nichomar said:
It’s only unnecessary activities for a month, why would anyone go stir crazy because they can’t go to a football match?Philip_Thompson said:
Because it won't work and because the public won't put up with those restraints forever so when it is needed people will already be fraying at the restrictions.Scott_xP said:
Why would you not stop them now to see if we can keep the number of people lower than 5-10x ?noneoftheabove said:In 2 weeks time we should expect there to be 5-10x the number of people with Covid 19 as there are now. That might be the time to introduce the ban on crowds at sporting fixtures.
10+ years ago, I had a major op and was confined to bed at home for 3 months and then I couldn't leave the house for another 2. It really wasn't that bad, with tv, computers, doing work, learning new stuff, talking to my family.0 -
Not in the evenings thoughFrancisUrquhart said:
And that the big outbreak in Italy, includes ski resorts, which are where people spend most of their time in open air and low density.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also doctor-patient transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.0 -
And more obviously that is increase in positive tests, not increase in (unknown) actual infections. You might well be 'catching up' and finding infected people that you weren't aware of previously.david_herdson said:
Although those rates cannot continue for any length of time as you get local saturation.eristdoof said:
In the last week in 7 days the increase in the UK was 7.8 fold*rcs1000 said:
Isn't there a 6 day doubling time with (essentially) no measures in place to slow the spread?noneoftheabove said:
In 2 weeks time we should expect there to be 5-10x the number of people with Covid 19 as there are now. That might be the time to introduce the ban on crowds at sporting fixtures.Philip_Thompson said:
A two-week ban is meaningless virtue signalling.FrancisUrquhart said:
I can't believe we aren't stopping sport events, even Greece are doing that...Scott_xP said:
With cases of the coronavirus jumping from 45 to 73 in less than 48 hours in Greece, health authorities have announced further precautionary measures to be enforced with immediate effect. The measures, which include a two-week ban on sporting events.
Does anyone seriously believe this crisis will be over in 2 weeks time?
So that two weeks isn't 5-10x, it's more like 4- x
If you introduce measures to limit gatherings and travel, and that people are encouraged to work from home, etc., then I would suspect that growth (as seen in South Korea and Singapore) rapidly slows.
That's not a panacea, of course, because once those restrictions are lifted then growth starts again. But with proper management you can really slow the speed at which the virus spreads.
Other western Europe figures are: germany 8.9 fold
in France 12 fold, in Italy (only) 6.6 fold, in the netherlands 26 fold, in Norway 10 fold in Switerland 14 fold.
Saying that there will be a 4-fold increase in 2 weeks is way off the mark.
*Figures taken from https://hgis.uw.edu/virus/ comparing 8th March with 1st March0 -
Does the virus know that?Philip_Thompson said:
No, its not obvious. We aren't China.Chris said:
Isn't it obvious the maximum effect is obtained by doing it as early as possible? As they did in China? And 6 or 7 weeks later they have virtually eradicated it over most of the country and reduced the spread to 1% of what it was in the worst affected part.Philip_Thompson said:
It won't be a month though. This epidemic could last months or years and we're right at the start of the curve still now. If we're going to put in restrictions they need to be timed for maximum effect.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find the idea that you can't do a month in your own home without going stir crazy rather bonkers. Under normal circumstances, if you were seriously ill you could easily end up in hospital for a month and not be able to leave the ward.nichomar said:
It’s only unnecessary activities for a month, why would anyone go stir crazy because they can’t go to a football match?Philip_Thompson said:
Because it won't work and because the public won't put up with those restraints forever so when it is needed people will already be fraying at the restrictions.Scott_xP said:
Why would you not stop them now to see if we can keep the number of people lower than 5-10x ?noneoftheabove said:In 2 weeks time we should expect there to be 5-10x the number of people with Covid 19 as there are now. That might be the time to introduce the ban on crowds at sporting fixtures.
10+ years ago, I had a major op and was confined to bed at home for 3 months and then I couldn't leave the house for another 2. It really wasn't that bad, with tv, computers, doing work, learning new stuff, talking to my family.0 -
If you listen to the whole piece, it looks like Johnson started down a line of reasoning and decided half way through he didn't want to go there. My takeaways are that there has been serious discussion with the Prime Minister about the degree to which the epidemic should be allowed to take its course or whether there should be aggressive intervention and secondly that Johnson is very reluctant to introduce measures that are deemed "draconian". What is deemed a draconian measure is of course open to interpretation.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!0 -
You're saying that despite the guaranteed recession, the plague about to sweep the US because of its inept leadership, and the global collapse in commodity prices, share prices will be just fine?Gardenwalker said:If you believe my logic in the post earlier, then stocks are already undersold. Sentiment is currently panicking, driven by -
- European slowdown / guaranteed recession.
- Poor political leadership in US on the virus.
- The oil dispute0 -
Indeed, banning them might make them more likely.david_herdson said:
I doubt that permission being granted or withheld would be decisive in determining whether French protesters will turn out or stay home.Floater said:
Believe it or not the French continue to allow demonstrations........ its an exemption from new measuresFrancisUrquhart said:
I envision the French having a yellow vest type rally or strike rally over Macron decision to impose restrictions.eadric said:
There will be police shooting at people, in Italy, within a fortnight, if their situation continues to worsen at this present rate.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think they need to get the Chinese on the blower and fly them in to sort it all out.eadric said:Christ.
Maybe fake news, of course. There are certainly alarming reports of serious unrest in Italian prisons.
This is another big fear: widespread civil disorder.
twitter.com/NetworksManager/status/1237016122475589634?s=200 -
Thread on the Salmond trial - currently hearing from the first witness:
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/1236930331804131328?s=211 -
In a way, yes.logical_song said:
Does the virus know that?Philip_Thompson said:
No, its not obvious. We aren't China.Chris said:
Isn't it obvious the maximum effect is obtained by doing it as early as possible? As they did in China? And 6 or 7 weeks later they have virtually eradicated it over most of the country and reduced the spread to 1% of what it was in the worst affected part.Philip_Thompson said:
It won't be a month though. This epidemic could last months or years and we're right at the start of the curve still now. If we're going to put in restrictions they need to be timed for maximum effect.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find the idea that you can't do a month in your own home without going stir crazy rather bonkers. Under normal circumstances, if you were seriously ill you could easily end up in hospital for a month and not be able to leave the ward.nichomar said:
It’s only unnecessary activities for a month, why would anyone go stir crazy because they can’t go to a football match?Philip_Thompson said:
Because it won't work and because the public won't put up with those restraints forever so when it is needed people will already be fraying at the restrictions.Scott_xP said:
Why would you not stop them now to see if we can keep the number of people lower than 5-10x ?noneoftheabove said:In 2 weeks time we should expect there to be 5-10x the number of people with Covid 19 as there are now. That might be the time to introduce the ban on crowds at sporting fixtures.
10+ years ago, I had a major op and was confined to bed at home for 3 months and then I couldn't leave the house for another 2. It really wasn't that bad, with tv, computers, doing work, learning new stuff, talking to my family.
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Nah. It was flying a tangential kite.Philip_Thompson said:
Its not rambling speculation, the PM needs to address what people are thinking and put into context what they are doing.Mexicanpete said:
Why speculate on spurious or foolhardy ideas?MaxPB said:
It's completely out of context. He's literally pointing out what some other ideas are that the government aren't pursuing because they are poor ideas.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!
It may well have been mischievously edited, but we don't need rambling speculation from our PM.
Why mention it at all? Because he wanted to implant in people's minds that thought if only to then be able to contrast the government's actions.1 -
Good point.nichomar said:
Not in the evenings thoughFrancisUrquhart said:
And that the big outbreak in Italy, includes ski resorts, which are where people spend most of their time in open air and low density.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also doctor-patient transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.
I wonder then (total speculation obviously) that what really works for high % chance of transmission is consistent exposure to an infected areas e.g. conferences everybody goes back to the same venue every day, apres-ski to the same bars, religious venues I am sure don't get properly cleaned down that often.
Where as the tube, I presume get the old blast wash every night.0 -
Until it gets darkFrancisUrquhart said:
And that the big outbreak in Italy, includes ski resorts, which are where people spend most of their time in open air and low density.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also doctor-patient transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.1 -
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All good reasons why schools (not scholls as I said earlier lol!) should remain open imo.Philip_Thompson said:
That's a point, but I actually meant a different one. Many children will suddenly be left with grandparents etc if schools are shut. Transferring the risk from schools to grandparents is the opposite of what science is suggesting right now!Benpointer said:
I certainly agree with you on this one. How many health care professionals will be having to take time off to look after their school age children if the scholls are closed?Philip_Thompson said:Closing schools is a terrible idea as children will still socialise and who is going to look after the children for working parents if they're suddenly off school?
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Someone with a very clever use of editing and partial quoting. I would suggest it is simple dishonesty.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!
Here is the actual interview with the quote in it. From around 6 minutes 10 seconds in. Immediately after the quoted clip he makes some politician noises about a wonderful NHS and then goes back to the point saying that he believes it is better to take all the measures we can now to stop the peak being as difficult as it could be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOHiaPwtGl42 -
In Germany, where 1153 cases of coronavirus had been confirmed by 2pm local time, the health minister Jens Spah has appealed to citizens to travel as little as possible, to work from home, when possible, and to contact doctors by telephone in cases where the virus is suspected.
“The longer we can slow down the development of the virus, the better,” he said, adding that the restrictions people would face to their daily lives “will last for months rather than weeks”.0 -
Its easy to spot if there is a cluster around a conference or funeral, you have a confirmed list of attendees but impossible to spot that it was shared at a Sainsburys local or the Northern Line 843 between Bank and Kings Cross as there is no way of grouping the attendees together.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also patient-doctor transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.0 -
How much of this is a tracing bias. It is relatively easy to find and contact all the people at a conference or a funeral. It is much harder to trace the people who went to Caffe Nero in Tottenham Court Road between 10:30 and 10:45 on March 2nd.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also patient-doctor transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.0 -
I see we posted almost exactly the same thing!noneoftheabove said:
Its easy to spot if there is a cluster around a conference or funeral, you have a confirmed list of attendees but impossible to spot that it was shared at a Sainsburys local or the Northern Line 843 between Bank and Kings Cross as there is no way of grouping the attendees together.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also patient-doctor transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.1 -
But if that was the explanation then you'd expect lots of random cases to pop up which couldn't be tracked, even in the very early stages of the virus arriving in a country. We're not seeing that much in the UK, we are seeing identifiable clusters.noneoftheabove said:
Its easy to spot if there is a cluster around a conference or funeral, you have a confirmed list of attendees but impossible to spot that it was shared at a Sainsburys local or the Northern Line 843 between Bank and Kings Cross as there is no way of grouping the attendees together.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also patient-doctor transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.
Edit: You'd also expect to see a lot more cases in London, which was part of my reasoning.0 -
Sounds like twitter need to enact their Fake News filtering on that Boris clip. It is person of colour stuff all over again.
I get that people are pissed about Brexit, don't like him personally, but f##k me this is way bigger than framing some serial shagger by taking his words out of context. It is f##king danger to the public.5 -
Theory: although intellectually the pandemic should play right into Sanders' policy strengths on public healthcare, emotionally and psychologically it's helping to drive an electoral flight to safety. The electorate will be feeling risk averse in general, and that will carry over into their voting.0
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It may "feel obvious" but that doesnt make it right. The scientists advising the govt arent just having a laugh at our (and their) expense.Chris said:
Isn't it obvious the maximum effect is obtained by doing it as early as possible? As they did in China? And 6 or 7 weeks later they have virtually eradicated it over most of the country and reduced the spread to 1% of what it was in the worst affected part.Philip_Thompson said:
It won't be a month though. This epidemic could last months or years and we're right at the start of the curve still now. If we're going to put in restrictions they need to be timed for maximum effect.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find the idea that you can't do a month in your own home without going stir crazy rather bonkers. Under normal circumstances, if you were seriously ill you could easily end up in hospital for a month and not be able to leave the ward.nichomar said:
It’s only unnecessary activities for a month, why would anyone go stir crazy because they can’t go to a football match?Philip_Thompson said:
Because it won't work and because the public won't put up with those restraints forever so when it is needed people will already be fraying at the restrictions.Scott_xP said:
Why would you not stop them now to see if we can keep the number of people lower than 5-10x ?noneoftheabove said:In 2 weeks time we should expect there to be 5-10x the number of people with Covid 19 as there are now. That might be the time to introduce the ban on crowds at sporting fixtures.
10+ years ago, I had a major op and was confined to bed at home for 3 months and then I couldn't leave the house for another 2. It really wasn't that bad, with tv, computers, doing work, learning new stuff, talking to my family.1 -
‘Panic’ by The Smiths covers all baseskle4 said:
Isnt that a song?Mysticrose said:Carnage on the markets
Wait no, that's Murder on the Dancefloor.
Not good enough according to whom?GideonWise said:
Really? So there is no other possible behaviour change that can happen right now?Scott_xP said:
It just isn't good enough, I'm not surprised the Chinese are heading home.0 -
"Deutsche Bank has just issued a note warning there could be a “Minsky moment” for high-yield American bonds - in a nod to the economist Hyman Minsky’s theory on how markets can crash amid widespread panic following periods of speculative investment.
The US subprime collapse of 2008 is regarded as one such moment, so the comparison is ominous, to say the least.
The bank’s analysts warn that defaults - companies being unable to repay or refinance their debts - are now inevitable, with around $13bn of debts due for repayment before the end of 2021 from the most heavily-indebted oil and gas firms.
In a sign of the chaos to come, it says the distress ratio for US oil and gas high yield debt - defined as the proportion of debt trading with a spread of at least 1,000 basis points (in other words, bonds with yields that are more than 1,000 basis points higher than a reference yield such as on a US Treasury bond) - was already 62.3% as of Friday before today’s oil price collapse."0 -
I haven't seen the entire piece, so taken as a whole it might have made perfect sense.FF43 said:
If you listen to the whole piece, it looks like Johnson started down a line of reasoning and decided half way through he didn't want to go there. My takeaways are that there has been serious discussion with the Prime Minister about the degree to which the epidemic should be allowed to take its course or whether there should be aggressive intervention and secondly that Johnson is very reluctant to introduce measures that are deemed "draconian". What is deemed a draconian measure is of course open to interpretation.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!
From what I did see, I concur with your interpretation.
'Draconian' was an unfortunate word to use, there is a point in the future where by 'draconian' Johnson might mean 'necessary'. Like I said, rambling!0 -
I think there will definitely be "Panic! At the Disco" when somebody coughs.isam said:
‘Panic’ by The Smiths covers all baseskle4 said:
Isnt that a song?Mysticrose said:Carnage on the markets
Wait no, that's Murder on the Dancefloor.
Not good enough according to whom?GideonWise said:
Really? So there is no other possible behaviour change that can happen right now?Scott_xP said:
It just isn't good enough, I'm not surprised the Chinese are heading home.0 -
Those Gondolas taking you up to the pistes can be quite "intimate" as well.IanB2 said:
Until it gets darkFrancisUrquhart said:
And that the big outbreak in Italy, includes ski resorts, which are where people spend most of their time in open air and low density.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also doctor-patient transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.0 -
Quite possibly. Somewhat cynical, if true.TOPPING said:
Nah. It was flying a tangential kite.Philip_Thompson said:
Its not rambling speculation, the PM needs to address what people are thinking and put into context what they are doing.Mexicanpete said:
Why speculate on spurious or foolhardy ideas?MaxPB said:
It's completely out of context. He's literally pointing out what some other ideas are that the government aren't pursuing because they are poor ideas.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!
It may well have been mischievously edited, but we don't need rambling speculation from our PM.
Why mention it at all? Because he wanted to implant in people's minds that thought if only to then be able to contrast the government's actions.0 -
Doesn't the EU post drafts of most (maybe even all) FTA negotiations on-line? It's why people got incredibly upset with the TTIP.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Do you not watch the videos on tweets you post before pressing the ‘post comment’ button? Why do all the Boris haters love fake news so?Scott_xP said:
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Germany might be having any death yet, but the number of cases is certainly ramping up.0
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Some betting support for HRC and Michelle Obama as Dem nominee - I suppose representing the view that Sanders is not electable and that Sleepy Joe might prove to be just a little too sleepy to cope with the campaign.0
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It's one of a handful of inexplicable markets where there is definitely something else protecting the price, c.f. David Miliband for next Labour leader etc.kinabalu said:Some betting support for HRC and Michelle Obama as Dem nominee - I suppose representing the view that Sanders is not electable and that Sleepy Joe might prove to be just a little too sleepy to cope with the campaign.
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That's not how I read it. I would say it's more a function of Johnson being unwilling to take hard decisions. He's OK with intervention as long as no-one notices it too much, but he doesn't want interventions that are intrusive and arguably the effective ones. The idea of "taking it on the chin" is quite attractive to him because it lets him off the hook, but obviously he can't say that, nor, to be fair, is it actually the policy. Hence his rather garbled statement here.TOPPING said:
Nah. It was flying a tangential kite.Philip_Thompson said:
Its not rambling speculation, the PM needs to address what people are thinking and put into context what they are doing.Mexicanpete said:
Why speculate on spurious or foolhardy ideas?MaxPB said:
It's completely out of context. He's literally pointing out what some other ideas are that the government aren't pursuing because they are poor ideas.Mexicanpete said:
I had been giving Johnson the benefit of any doubt over the Government's management of Covid19, to appoint where I would have agreed he was personally doing a decent job of managing the outbreak.Scott_xP said:
Unless this clip has been taken out of context his approach appears cavalier to the point of recklessness.
As for it being other people saying that, why bother? He must have thought it too!
It may well have been mischievously edited, but we don't need rambling speculation from our PM.
Why mention it at all? Because he wanted to implant in people's minds that thought if only to then be able to contrast the government's actions.0 -
There was speculation along those lines in Hubei last month, where death rates were 5%ish, compared to isolated cases further away where it fell to something like a tenth of that. This was explained initially as the local health system being overwhelmed, but it seems rather similar in Europe.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wonder then (total speculation obviously) that what really works for high % chance of transmission is consistent exposure to an infected areas e.g. conferences everybody goes back to the same venue every day, apres-ski to the same bars, religious venues I am sure don't get properly cleaned down that often.
Something about repeated exposure making the infection more dangerous? I don't know if this is possible.
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The issue with the WA was that we left all the drafting to the EU - so started from their interpretation of the agreements reached rather than ours. Looks like this time we’re trying to beat them at their own game.rcs1000 said:
Doesn't the EU post drafts of most (maybe even all) FTA negotiations on-line? It's why people got incredibly upset with the TTIP.CarlottaVance said:3 -
Fantastic news, who said a year wasn't long enough for negotiations?CarlottaVance said:
Britain has learned a lot and is approaching these negotiations much smarter than they did the WA negotiations under May.
Also showing how true it was that Britain holds the cards. We're the ones who can frame what deal we want and us beating the EU to the punch like this is brilliant.1 -
Dont really need the masks only go where I can sit outside and the supermarket is quiet. Only staff in ‘urgencies’ wearing masks out here. Nearest case 30 mins drive so no panic as yet.eadric said:
Yes, amazingly, you can. I got some more from amazon, ordered Friday, arrived this morning.nichomar said:
Can you actually buy them if you wanted to?Floater said:
Went to London for a meeting earlier - all I heard from people on train, security outside my London office and people at meeting was .... the VirusMarqueeMark said:
Not seen a single mask yet.....eadric said:
How many are wearing masks? 0.1%?MarqueeMark said:On the GWR (Germ Warfare Run) to Paddington.
Bloody thing is half empty, but that half are sneezing and coughing like they've never heard of Covid-19....
This is the crazy thing. If everyone wore a mask infections would plummet. It's so simple, and it's one big reason Asia is handling this better than us. They all wear masks.
Western individualism is going to kill us.
But not one mask seen
Also you can get disposable gloves. See here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07QDXWK46/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Am in Israel, wondering if I’ll get home. Rumour is the government is about to require a 14-day quarantine period for anyone entering the country. If people aren’t coming, the planes won’t fly in or, more important, out!!0
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Doesn't that mean that someone 30 minutes away caught it 14 days ago?nichomar said:
Dont really need the masks only go where I can sit outside and the supermarket is quiet. Only staff in ‘urgencies’ wearing masks out here. Nearest case 30 mins drive so no panic as yet.eadric said:
Yes, amazingly, you can. I got some more from amazon, ordered Friday, arrived this morning.nichomar said:
Can you actually buy them if you wanted to?Floater said:
Went to London for a meeting earlier - all I heard from people on train, security outside my London office and people at meeting was .... the VirusMarqueeMark said:
Not seen a single mask yet.....eadric said:
How many are wearing masks? 0.1%?MarqueeMark said:On the GWR (Germ Warfare Run) to Paddington.
Bloody thing is half empty, but that half are sneezing and coughing like they've never heard of Covid-19....
This is the crazy thing. If everyone wore a mask infections would plummet. It's so simple, and it's one big reason Asia is handling this better than us. They all wear masks.
Western individualism is going to kill us.
But not one mask seen
Also you can get disposable gloves. See here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07QDXWK46/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Carnival shares now worth just a third of what they were a few years ago.0
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Speaking as no epidemiologist, I wonder if that might tally with what some people have said about the fewer cases of younger people who have died of the disease tending to be health workers and doctors with higher viral loads.Andrew said:
There was speculation along those lines in Hubei last month, where death rates were 5%ish, compared to isolated cases further away where it fell to something like a tenth of that. This was explained initially as the local health system being overwhelmed, but it seems rather similar in Europe.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wonder then (total speculation obviously) that what really works for high % chance of transmission is consistent exposure to an infected areas e.g. conferences everybody goes back to the same venue every day, apres-ski to the same bars, religious venues I am sure don't get properly cleaned down that often.
Something about repeated exposure making the infection more dangerous? I don't know if this is possible.0 -
It doesn't need to be more dangerous as such, thinking about it in probabilistic terms, perhaps these "super spreaders" that don't feel ill, but for a period in time what comes out of their mouth is very contagious. They go round infecting all the hard surfaces in a hotel, bar, or in Wuhan case massive apartment blocks.Andrew said:
There was speculation along those lines in Hubei last month, where death rates were 5%ish, compared to isolated cases further away where it fell to something like a tenth of that. This was explained initially as the local health system being overwhelmed, but it seems rather similar in Europe.FrancisUrquhart said:
I wonder then (total speculation obviously) that what really works for high % chance of transmission is consistent exposure to an infected areas e.g. conferences everybody goes back to the same venue every day, apres-ski to the same bars, religious venues I am sure don't get properly cleaned down that often.
Something about repeated exposure making the infection more dangerous? I don't know if this is possible.
Then, if there is an x% chance of picking it up by touching an infected surface, if you repeatedly visit that same location many times in a very short window of time, obviously the chances of contracting the disease becomes very high (especially if you have no idea that this is potentially an issue and so aren't hand washing etc).
Thinking now, South Korea with the weirdo cult, apparently Germany was some sort of festival, Italy is these ski resorts. Cruise ships, where everybody goes to the same venues every day, etc
In Wuhan, initially the medical staff got ill, again they are dealing with this 24/7 thinking it was just standard pneumonia.0 -
Smarter? Really? You think ignoring the most basic of realities is smart?Philip_Thompson said:
Fantastic news, who said a year wasn't long enough for negotiations?CarlottaVance said:
Britain has learned a lot and is approaching these negotiations much smarter than they did the WA negotiations under May.
Also showing how true it was that Britain holds the cards. We're the ones who can frame what deal we want and us beating the EU to the punch like this is brilliant.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1236932243161038848
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I think concessions will be done as one "hit", whatever the merits of that as a negotiating strategy. A lot of push back so far on anything that looks like one.Richard_Nabavi said:
Smarter? Really? You think ignoring the most basic of realities is smart?Philip_Thompson said:
Fantastic news, who said a year wasn't long enough for negotiations?CarlottaVance said:
Britain has learned a lot and is approaching these negotiations much smarter than they did the WA negotiations under May.
Also showing how true it was that Britain holds the cards. We're the ones who can frame what deal we want and us beating the EU to the punch like this is brilliant.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/12369322431610388480 -
I think Peter Foster has been a doom monger from the beginning and winding him up is a sign the government's on the right path.Richard_Nabavi said:
Smarter? Really? You think ignoring the most basic of realities is smart?Philip_Thompson said:
Fantastic news, who said a year wasn't long enough for negotiations?CarlottaVance said:
Britain has learned a lot and is approaching these negotiations much smarter than they did the WA negotiations under May.
Also showing how true it was that Britain holds the cards. We're the ones who can frame what deal we want and us beating the EU to the punch like this is brilliant.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/12369322431610388480 -
Well quite, the biggest risks at the moment are cruise returners especially US based cruises not aware of our aging population going skiing in Italy but I’m afraid even amongst the British there is still double kissing.RobD said:
Doesn't that mean that someone 30 minutes away caught it 14 days ago?nichomar said:
Dont really need the masks only go where I can sit outside and the supermarket is quiet. Only staff in ‘urgencies’ wearing masks out here. Nearest case 30 mins drive so no panic as yet.eadric said:
Yes, amazingly, you can. I got some more from amazon, ordered Friday, arrived this morning.nichomar said:
Can you actually buy them if you wanted to?Floater said:
Went to London for a meeting earlier - all I heard from people on train, security outside my London office and people at meeting was .... the VirusMarqueeMark said:
Not seen a single mask yet.....eadric said:
How many are wearing masks? 0.1%?MarqueeMark said:On the GWR (Germ Warfare Run) to Paddington.
Bloody thing is half empty, but that half are sneezing and coughing like they've never heard of Covid-19....
This is the crazy thing. If everyone wore a mask infections would plummet. It's so simple, and it's one big reason Asia is handling this better than us. They all wear masks.
Western individualism is going to kill us.
But not one mask seen
Also you can get disposable gloves. See here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07QDXWK46/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=10 -
Aren't there lots of random cases popping up? By defintion the outbreak is going to be chracterised by clusters, partly because atributable sources of infeection are being investigated, partly beacuse they are more newsworthy and partly because a clusted contains more positive cases than an isolated random positive case.Richard_Nabavi said:
But if that was the explanation then you'd expect lots of random cases to pop up which couldn't be tracked, even in the very early stages of the virus arriving in a country. We're not seeing that much in the UK, we are seeing identifiable clusters.noneoftheabove said:
Its easy to spot if there is a cluster around a conference or funeral, you have a confirmed list of attendees but impossible to spot that it was shared at a Sainsburys local or the Northern Line 843 between Bank and Kings Cross as there is no way of grouping the attendees together.Richard_Nabavi said:
Most surprising to me is that there seem to be few cases in the London boroughs. You'd have thought that, with the number of visitors and general travel, London would be a real hotspot.CarlottaVance said:Wonder why Herts has a significant number:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
There is something rather odd about the way this virus spreads: it seems extremely contagious in the conditions of conferences and also patient-doctor transmission, and at things like funerals, but (as far as one can tell from the UK tracking) not so much on public transport, shopping or other places which you might have expected would be very significant.
Edit: You'd also expect to see a lot more cases in London, which was part of my reasoning.
As to the "Why not in London" argument this could just be random chance. We are still only talking about 280 positives in the UK. If you choose 280 people at random from the UK, it is surprisingly likely that London ends up with just one or two cases. People find it difficult to pick out genuinely random patterns.0 -
I suspect the cruise ship industry won't recover for a very long time, if ever.IanB2 said:Carnival shares now worth just a third of what they were a few years ago.
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Yeah yeah. Now how about actually reading his thread and engaging with the points?Philip_Thompson said:
I think Peter Foster has been a doom monger from the beginning and winding him up is a sign the government's on the right path.Richard_Nabavi said:
Smarter? Really? You think ignoring the most basic of realities is smart?Philip_Thompson said:
Fantastic news, who said a year wasn't long enough for negotiations?CarlottaVance said:
Britain has learned a lot and is approaching these negotiations much smarter than they did the WA negotiations under May.
Also showing how true it was that Britain holds the cards. We're the ones who can frame what deal we want and us beating the EU to the punch like this is brilliant.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/12369322431610388481 -
Are snooker players high risk?nichomar said:
Well quite, the biggest risks at the moment are cruise returners especially US based cruises not aware of our aging population going skiing in Italy but I’m afraid even amongst the British there is still double kissing.RobD said:
Doesn't that mean that someone 30 minutes away caught it 14 days ago?nichomar said:
Dont really need the masks only go where I can sit outside and the supermarket is quiet. Only staff in ‘urgencies’ wearing masks out here. Nearest case 30 mins drive so no panic as yet.eadric said:
Yes, amazingly, you can. I got some more from amazon, ordered Friday, arrived this morning.nichomar said:
Can you actually buy them if you wanted to?Floater said:
Went to London for a meeting earlier - all I heard from people on train, security outside my London office and people at meeting was .... the VirusMarqueeMark said:
Not seen a single mask yet.....eadric said:
How many are wearing masks? 0.1%?MarqueeMark said:On the GWR (Germ Warfare Run) to Paddington.
Bloody thing is half empty, but that half are sneezing and coughing like they've never heard of Covid-19....
This is the crazy thing. If everyone wore a mask infections would plummet. It's so simple, and it's one big reason Asia is handling this better than us. They all wear masks.
Western individualism is going to kill us.
But not one mask seen
Also you can get disposable gloves. See here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07QDXWK46/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=11 -
What kind of self-respecting Brit kisses as a greeting?nichomar said:
Well quite, the biggest risks at the moment are cruise returners especially US based cruises not aware of our aging population going skiing in Italy but I’m afraid even amongst the British there is still double kissing.RobD said:
Doesn't that mean that someone 30 minutes away caught it 14 days ago?nichomar said:
Dont really need the masks only go where I can sit outside and the supermarket is quiet. Only staff in ‘urgencies’ wearing masks out here. Nearest case 30 mins drive so no panic as yet.eadric said:
Yes, amazingly, you can. I got some more from amazon, ordered Friday, arrived this morning.nichomar said:
Can you actually buy them if you wanted to?Floater said:
Went to London for a meeting earlier - all I heard from people on train, security outside my London office and people at meeting was .... the VirusMarqueeMark said:
Not seen a single mask yet.....eadric said:
How many are wearing masks? 0.1%?MarqueeMark said:On the GWR (Germ Warfare Run) to Paddington.
Bloody thing is half empty, but that half are sneezing and coughing like they've never heard of Covid-19....
This is the crazy thing. If everyone wore a mask infections would plummet. It's so simple, and it's one big reason Asia is handling this better than us. They all wear masks.
Western individualism is going to kill us.
But not one mask seen
Also you can get disposable gloves. See here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07QDXWK46/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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US State Department hasn’t helped:IanB2 said:Carnival shares now worth just a third of what they were a few years ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/08/us/politics/cruise-ship-warning.html0 -
Betfair "Will there be a US recession in 2020?" -
"Yes" now into 1.5. Was over 2 last week.
Not a massively liquid market but quite interesting.0
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