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Yes plus don't forget one other of us is also doing a conversion of a more personal nature.Foxy said:
It is @Gallowgate doing the law conversion course.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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Isn't someone here starting a military history masters? Possibly more than one.Foxy said:
It is @Gallowgate doing the law conversion course.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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A contender for the Labour leadership ?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/rudy-giuliani-more-jew-jewish-george-soros-anti-semitism.html0 -
Mr. Mark, I'm very sorry to hear that. My deepest sympathies.0
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Why is it a ticking time bomb, if 60% of voters still own that will largely be the same as now and the Tories have just won a majority of 80 which will go up to a landslide majority of 102 once the boundary changes go through? As I have pointed out by 34 most people own a property and by 65 an even higher percentage will do.rural_voter said:
Even if tenants comprise 'only' 40% of pensioners in 2045, that's a ticking timebomb. House prices up in past 10-15 years, vs real wages, means more people becoming resigned to the fact that they'll rent for the rest of their life (45 years possibly).HYUFD said:
Not really, given most renters already vote Labour anyway and the vast majority of over 65s own their own propertyrural_voter said:
Tenants will need housing benefit for ~20 years after they retire. The basic state pension is £8,800/year but the market rent of a house in say Worcester seems to be £7,000/yearkyf_100 said:
Unfair student loans (interest rate 5.4%!) and housing will eventually be what drives the Tories out of power. All the help to the way on).HYUFD said:
Given no UK government since Lord Liverpool pre the Great Reform Act in 1832 has got more than 20 consecutive years in power, social democrat victories in the 2030s may be inevitable whatever the Tories do on student loans even if they get another decade in power to do itPulpstar said:The Tories need to sort out the great university mess in the next decade or so, the current system isn't even particularly good for the nations finances. All it produces is left leaning graduates that bear a grudge. It's not an issue now because anyone over the age of 40 is horrified by the thought of Corbyn but long term it's a problem they need to sort. Remember this post when the Social Democrat landslides of the 2030s come along.
https://www.home.co.uk/for_rent/worcester/current_rents?location=worcester
I call that quite a loudly-ticking timebomb, i.e. to add to the leasehold scandal.
They'll be paying market rents, unless Harold Macmillan comes back from the grave with a housing policy that doesn't stigmatise public sector tenants versus owner-occupiers. Governments then sought to build more homes of both types of tenure and achieved an amazing rate of 400,000 per year, pre- the near-total 'bonfire of the regulations'.
Plus new builds are up to 170 000 a year now, their highest rate for 11 years and that is with less land to build on than Macmillan had and despite NIMBYs protesting against building on the green belt
https://www.propertywire.com/news/uk/number-of-new-homes-built-reached-an-11-year-high/0 -
That's dreadful Mr M; every sympathy.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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Rudy Giuliani said he was 'more of a Jew than George Soros', not much anti Semitism thereNigelb said:A contender for the Labour leadership ?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/rudy-giuliani-more-jew-jewish-george-soros-anti-semitism.html0 -
Sympathies MMMarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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I'm sorry to hear that, Mark.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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I have a bit of a sniffle and am starting a welding evening class in the new year.Foxy said:
It is @Gallowgate doing the law conversion course.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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Oh Lord, that is terrible. Major sympathies...MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
It's beginning to look a lot like a shit Christmas.....
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Thank you.Foxy said:
It is @Gallowgate doing the law conversion course.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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Ok, I'll bite. Who, and what is the nature of the conversion?TOPPING said:
Yes plus don't forget one other of us is also doing a conversion of a more personal nature.Foxy said:
It is @Gallowgate doing the law conversion course.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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Please visit the National Leasehold Campaign if you want to be educated. Or you could just enjoy your ignorance of the ticking timebomb that awaits the Tories if they don't sort it out.HYUFD said:
Wrong, I know several people who have managed to buy a property thanks to right to buy and shared ownership, again whinging from you but no constructive proposals except criticising those in place. Shared ownership gives you ownership of a fraction of the property which you gradually increasekyf_100 said:
Help to buy is a subsidy for house builders (and by extension, existing owners), nothing more, nothing less.HYUFD said:
That is not really true, given the age mon).kyf_100 said:
Unfair student loans (interest rate 5.4%!) Scotland has led the way on).HYUFD said:
Given no UK government since Lord Liverpool pre the Great Reform another decade in power to do it
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/milestonesjourneyingintoadulthood/2019-02-18
If the Tories win the next general election they will be in office for about 20 years, a historic, unprecedented period of power unsurpassed since the expansion of the franchise, yet no party can be in power for ever
Free market economics would have dictated the price of housing had to fall, help to buy kept demand buoyant. It's a terrible piece of market intervention.
Help to buy has to be spent on new build properties (who benefits there I wonder?). Many of which have been sold (or mis sold) as leasehold, with doubling ground rent clauses, uncapped service charges and restrictive covenants.
And of course you have to pay interest on the help to buy loan / pay the help to buy loan back, which traps people in their starter home.
And don't even get me started on "shared ownership" which is actually a form of assured shorthold tenancy. You don't "own" anything.
If the price of housing fell due to the free market it would be as average incomes fell which helps nobody extra get a property as mortgages are provided based on multiples of income, the only other way to help other than help to buy etc is building more homes and increasing supply which councils are doing through Local Plans and through restricting immigration which the new points based immigration system Boris wants will do.
As I already pointed out and you ignored the Tories made a manifesto commitment to ban new leasehold houses.0 -
I'm really very sorry to hear that. I hope everything goes as well as these awful situations can do. Chin up, you'll be ok.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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I don't usually cite this paper as a source but nevertheless it's probably an indication of the problem ...HYUFD said:
Why is it a ticking time bomb, if 60% of voters still own that will largely be the same as now and the Tories have just won a majority of 80 which will go up to a landslide majority of 102 once the boundary changes go through? As I have pointed out by 34 most people own a property and by 65 an even higher percentage will do.rural_voter said:
Even if tenants comprise 'only' 40% of pensioners in 2045, that's a ticking timebomb. House prices up in past 10-15 years, vs real wages, means more people becoming resigned to the fact that they'll rent for the rest of their life (45 years possibly).HYUFD said:
Not really, given most renters already vote Labour anyway and the vast majority of over 65s own their own propertyrural_voter said:
Tenants will need housing benefit for ~20 years after they retire. The basic state pension is £8,800/year but the market rent of a house in say Worcester seems to be £7,000/yearkyf_100 said:
Unfair student loans (interest rate 5.4%!) and housing will eventually be what drives the Tories out of power. All the help to the way on).HYUFD said:
Given no UK government since Lord Liverpool pre the Great Reform Act in 1832 has got more than 20 consecutive years in power, social democrat victories in the 2030s may be inevitable whatever the Tories do on student loans even if they get another decade in power to do itPulpstar said:del.
https://www.home.co.uk/for_rent/worcester/current_rents?location=worcester
I call that quite a loudly-ticking timebomb, i.e. to add to the leasehold scandal.
They'll be paying market rents, unless Harold Macmillan comes back from the grave with a housing policy that doesn't stigmatise public sector tenants versus owner-occupiers. Governments then sought to build more homes of both types of tenure and achieved an amazing rate of 400,000 per year, pre- the near-total 'bonfire of the regulations'.
Plus new builds are up to 170 000 a year now, their highest rate for 11 years and that is with less land to build on than Macmillan had and despite NIMBYs protesting against building on the green belt
https://www.propertywire.com/news/uk/number-of-new-homes-built-reached-an-11-year-high/
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/686161/Number-pensioners-renting-soared-220-000-last-four-years0 -
As the torch bearer for that type of world view, can you just give me a little insight into the ways Giuliani is 'more of a Jew than George Soros'?HYUFD said:
Rudy Giuliani said he was 'more of a Jew than George Soros', not much anti Semitism thereNigelb said:A contender for the Labour leadership ?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/rudy-giuliani-more-jew-jewish-george-soros-anti-semitism.html0 -
Thanks all for the kind words.
We can fight like cats and dog here over politics, but it never ceases to amaze that people who have mostly never met can have a great capacity for empathy for their fellow posters. It is truly a wonderful feature of this site. In many ways it emobodies the spirit of goodwill at Christmas, all year round.
Anyway, enough of this schmaltz. I have winter fuel to gather.....5 -
Best wishes to you, Mark.MarqueeMark said:Thanks all for the kind words.
We can fight like cats and dog here over politics, but it never ceases to amaze that people who have mostly never met can have a great capacity for empathy for their fellow posters. It is truly a wonderful feature of this site. In many ways it emobodies the spirit of goodwill at Christmas, all year round.
Anyway, enough of this schmaltz. I have winter fuel to gather.....0 -
Our very own @Byronic is leaving his old self behind. Apparently.viewcode said:
Ok, I'll bite. Who, and what is the nature of the conversion?TOPPING said:
Yes plus don't forget one other of us is also doing a conversion of a more personal nature.Foxy said:
It is @Gallowgate doing the law conversion course.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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People who didnt listen to their conveyance solicitors advice and warnings.kyf_100 said:
Please visit the National Leasehold Campaign if you want to be educated. Or you could just enjoy your ignorance of the ticking timebomb that awaits the Tories if they don't sort it out.HYUFD said:
Wrong, I know several people who have managed to buy a property thanks to right to buy and shared ownership, again whinging from you but no constructive proposals except criticising those in place. Shared ownership gives you ownership of a fraction of the property which you gradually increasekyf_100 said:
Help to buy is a subsidy for house builders (and by extension, existing owners), nothing more, nothing less.HYUFD said:
That is not really true, given the age mon).kyf_100 said:
Unfair student loans (interest rate 5.4%!) Scotland has led the way on).HYUFD said:
Given no UK government since Lord Liverpool pre the Great Reform another decade in power to do it
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/milestonesjourneyingintoadulthood/2019-02-18
If the Tories win the next general election they will be in office for about 20 years, a historic, unprecedented period of power unsurpassed since the expansion of the franchise, yet no party can be in power for ever
Free market economics would have dictated the price of housing had to fall, help to buy kept demand buoyant. It's a terrible piece of market intervention.
Help to buy has to be spent on new build properties (who benefits there I wonder?). Many of which have been sold (or mis sold) as leasehold, with doubling ground rent clauses, uncapped service charges and restrictive covenants.
And of course you have to pay interest on the help to buy loan / pay the help to buy loan back, which traps people in their starter home.
And don't even get me started on "shared ownership" which is actually a form of assured shorthold tenancy. You don't "own" anything.
If the price of housing fell due to the free market it would be as average incomes fell which helps nobody extra get a property as mortgages are provided based on multiples of income, the only other way to help other than help to buy etc is building more homes and increasing supply which councils are doing through Local Plans and through restricting immigration which the new points based immigration system Boris wants will do.
As I already pointed out and you ignored the Tories made a manifesto commitment to ban new leasehold houses.0 -
I'm really sorry to hear that. I've just been through this with my dad. I should offer some advice, but there isn't any really. You want them to have a peaceful passing and there's a large amount of admin you have to get through. It's worth making time for that if you are working.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
It's beginning to look a lot like a shit Christmas.....0 -
“What we’ve got here is a failure to communicate....”Theuniondivvie said:
As the torch bearer for that type of world view, can you just give me a little insight into the ways Giuliani is 'more of a Jew than George Soros'?HYUFD said:
Rudy Giuliani said he was 'more of a Jew than George Soros', not much anti Semitism thereNigelb said:A contender for the Labour leadership ?
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/rudy-giuliani-more-jew-jewish-george-soros-anti-semitism.html0 -
There is nothing to be educated about, as I have said the Tories have already committed to ban new leasehold housing in their manifesto.kyf_100 said:
Please visit the National Leasehold Campaign if you want to be educated. Or you could just enjoy your ignorance of the ticking timebomb that awaits the Tories if they don't sort it out.HYUFD said:
Wrong, I know several people who have managed to buy a y etc is building more homes and increasing supply which councils are doing through Local Plans and through restricting immigration which the new points based immigration system Boris wants will do.kyf_100 said:
Help to buy is a subsidy for house builders (and by extension, existing owners), nothing more, nothing less.HYUFD said:
That is not really true, given the age mon).kyf_100 said:
Unfair student loans (interest rate 5.4%!) Scotland has led the way on).HYUFD said:
Given no UK government since Lord Liverpool pre the Great Reform another decade in power to do it
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/milestonesjourneyingintoadulthood/2019-02-18
If the Tories win the next general election they will be in office for about 20 years, a historic, unprecedented period of power unsurpassed since the expansion of the franchise, yet no party can be in power for ever
Free market economics would have dictated the price of housing had to fall, help to buy kept demand buoyant. It's a terrible piece of market intervention.
Help to buy has to be spent on new build properties (who benefits there I wonder?). Many of which have been sold (or mis sold) as leasehold, with doubling ground rent clauses, uncapped service charges and restrictive covenants.
And of course you have to pay interest on the help to buy loan / pay the help to buy loan back, which traps people in their starter home.
And don't even get me started on "shared ownership" which is actually a form of assured shorthold tenancy. You don't "own" anything.
As I already pointed out and you ignored the Tories made a manifesto commitment to ban new leasehold houses.
What is astonishing though is the desperation of leftwingers like you having just suffered a crushing defeat at the hands of the most brilliant Tory leader since Thatcher in clinging to the hope of mass welfare dependence and lack of property ownership amongst future generations as your party's route back to power, rather than address the actual reasons you lost such as your hopeless leader and abysmal manifesto and bothering to offer any positive vision for the country.0 -
Who would possibly doubt it?TOPPING said:
Our very own @Byronic is leaving his old self behind. Apparently.viewcode said:
Ok, I'll bite. Who, and what is the nature of the conversion?TOPPING said:
Yes plus don't forget one other of us is also doing a conversion of a more personal nature.Foxy said:
It is @Gallowgate doing the law conversion course.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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And what of people trapped in flats they can't sell that are clad in flammable materials not covered by the Grenfell legislation?NorthernPowerhouse said:
People who didnt listen to their conveyance solicitors advice and warnings.
Or the people paying 4 x the service charges they were paying when they bought the property, charges that are utterly uncapped and prevent them selling the property? (even Dubai has recently introduced a system to prevent this).
Or people who were pressured by salespeople into using the builder's chosen conveyancer who _didn't_ warn them?
And so on. And so forth.
There have been several excellent articles in the Times and the Guardian among other places on these subjects this year, I suggest you educate yourself.
Most of the people affected by these various scandals are young and first time buyers, exactly the sort of people who should be voting Conservative.
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All the best to you, MM.MarqueeMark said:Thanks all for the kind words.
We can fight like cats and dog here over politics, but it never ceases to amaze that people who have mostly never met can have a great capacity for empathy for their fellow posters. It is truly a wonderful feature of this site. In many ways it emobodies the spirit of goodwill at Christmas, all year round......
I’ve a parent with very late stage Alzheimer’s, so I’ve an idea of what you’re going through.0 -
I have only ever voted Conservative. And you sir, are a pillock.HYUFD said:
There is nothing to be educated about, as I have said the Tories have already committed to ban new leasehold housing in their manifesto.kyf_100 said:
Please visit the National Leasehold Campaign if you want to be educated. Or you could just enjoy your ignorance of the ticking timebomb that awaits the Tories if they don't sort it out.HYUFD said:
Wrong, I know several people who have managed to buy a y etc is building more homes and increasing supply which councils are doing through Local Plans and through restricting immigration which the new points based immigration system Boris wants will do.kyf_100 said:
Help to buy is a subsidy for house builders (and by extension, existing owners), nothing more, nothing less.HYUFD said:
That is not really true, given the age mon).kyf_100 said:
Unfair student loans (interest rate 5.4%!) Scotland has led the way on).HYUFD said:
Given no UK government since Lord Liverpool pre the Great Reform another decade in power to do it
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/milestonesjourneyingintoadulthood/2019-02-18
If the Tories win the next general election they will be in office for about 20 years, a historic, unprecedented period of power unsurpassed since the expansion of the franchise, yet no party can be in power for ever
Free market economics would have dictated the price of housing had to fall, help to buy kept demand buoyant. It's a terrible piece of market intervention.
Help to buy has to be spent on new build properties (who benefits there I wonder?). Many of which have been sold (or mis sold) as leasehold, with doubling ground rent clauses, uncapped service charges and restrictive covenants.
And of course you have to pay interest on the help to buy loan / pay the help to buy loan back, which traps people in their starter home.
And don't even get me started on "shared ownership" which is actually a form of assured shorthold tenancy. You don't "own" anything.
As I already pointed out and you ignored the Tories made a manifesto commitment to ban new leasehold houses.
What is astonishing though is the desperation of leftwingers like you having just suffered a crushing defeat at the hands of the most brilliant Tory leader since Thatcher in clinging to the hope of mass welfare dependence and lack of property ownership amongst future generations as your party's route back to power, rather than address the actual reasons you lost such as your hopeless leader and abysmal manifesto0 -
Same to you Big G, had a bad start so far, got flu , had coughing fit and stupidly stood up, passed out and went down like a brick , smashed my face badly , spent all Sunday in A & E. At home recovering. Only good thing is having not eaten for day is may lose a bit of weight. Onwards and upwards.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think you will get rid of him that easily Malc. Another 10 years beckons at the rate the opposition are collapsingmalcolmg said:
G, Hopefully Johnson will be marooned in Mustique and we will have seen the back of him, that would be doing the country a serviceBig_G_NorthWales said:
The sooner Corbyn clears off to his allotment the better everyone will be and I know it is ChristmasSouthamObserver said:Corbyn's Christmas message is the perfect encapsulaiton of why Labour lost the election so heavily. It essentially accuses the majority of voters of not being as kind and as compasionate as he is, while failing to acknowledge any kind of Christmas joy and portraying the UK as a land of unremitting misery. He is, as he has done since he became leader, talking at the electorate, rather than to it.
Until Labour understands that peope and the world are complex, that you can be opposed to public services cuts and homelessness, while also aspiring to a better life for you and your family and enjoying Christmas even though not everyone does (for example), it has no hope of winning power.
I have not seen Johnson's message - and will do my very best to avoid it - but I bet it is diametrically opposed in tone and spirit to Cobyn's/ And I know which one most people will relate to better.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1209379431124353024
Anyway, have a great Christmas and a guid New Year
Have to say NHS were exemplary if a bit slow, tested me for everything to be sure what had caused it etc.0 -
My thoughts are with you and your family at this saddest of moments. It is so hard to lose your parents but hopefully your mother will soon find peace and leave many wonderful memoriesMarqueeMark said:Thanks all for the kind words.
We can fight like cats and dog here over politics, but it never ceases to amaze that people who have mostly never met can have a great capacity for empathy for their fellow posters. It is truly a wonderful feature of this site. In many ways it emobodies the spirit of goodwill at Christmas, all year round.
Anyway, enough of this schmaltz. I have winter fuel to gather.....0 -
I trust you are on the mend. I recommend some nice turnip soup as an alternative to solids.malcolmg said:
Same to you Big G, had a bad start so far, got flu , had coughing fit and stupidly stood up, passed out and went down like a brick , smashed my face badly , spent all Sunday in A & E. At home recovering. Only good thing is having not eaten for day is may lose a bit of weight. Onwards and upwards.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think you will get rid of him that easily Malc. Another 10 years beckons at the rate the opposition are collapsingmalcolmg said:
G, Hopefully Johnson will be marooned in Mustique and we will have seen the back of him, that would be doing the country a serviceBig_G_NorthWales said:
The sooner Corbyn clears off to his allotment the better everyone will be and I know it is ChristmasSouthamObserver said:Corbyn's Christmas message is the perfect encapsulaiton of why Labour lost the election so heavily. It essentially accuses the majority of voters of not being as kind and as compasionate as he is, while failing to acknowledge any kind of Christmas joy and portraying the UK as a land of unremitting misery. He is, as he has done since he became leader, talking at the electorate, rather than to it.
Until Labour understands that peope and the world are complex, that you can be opposed to public services cuts and homelessness, while also aspiring to a better life for you and your family and enjoying Christmas even though not everyone does (for example), it has no hope of winning power.
I have not seen Johnson's message - and will do my very best to avoid it - but I bet it is diametrically opposed in tone and spirit to Cobyn's/ And I know which one most people will relate to better.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1209379431124353024
Anyway, have a great Christmas and a guid New Year
Have to say NHS were exemplary if a bit slow, tested me for everything to be sure what had caused it etc.
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Naughty DavidDavidL said:
Damn you’re going to be good at this.malcolmg said:
Clue is in the name I would have thoughtTheScreamingEagles said:
Tomorrow.timmo said:Where is the PB Christmas crossword?
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And the vast majority of pensioners still own and many of those who do rent in old age as the article says have merely decided to downsize rather than take out another mortgagerural_voter said:
I don't usually cite this paper as a source but nevertheless it's probably an indication of the problem ...HYUFD said:
Why is it a ticking time bomb, if 60% of voters still own that will largely be the same as now and the Tories have just won a majority of 80 which will go up to a landslide majority of 102 once the boundary changes go through? As I have pointed out by 34 most people own a property and by 65 an even higher percentage will do.rural_voter said:
Even if tenants comprise 'only' 40% of pensioners in 2045, that's a ticking timebomb. House prices up in past 10-15 years, vs real wages, means more people becoming resigned to the fact that they'll rent for the rest of their life (45 years possibly).HYUFD said:
Not really, given most renters already vote Labour anyway and the vast majority of over 65s own their own propertyrural_voter said:
Tenants will need housing benefit for ~20 years after they retire. The basic state pension is £8,800/year but the market rent of a house in say Worcester seems to be £7,000/yearkyf_100 said:
Unfair student loans (interest rate 5.4%!) and housing will eventually be what drives the Tories out of power. All the help to the way on).HYUFD said:
Given no UK government since Lord Liverpool pre the Great Reform Act in 1832 has got more than 20 consecutive years in power, social democrat victories in the 2030s may be inevitable whatever the Tories do on student loans even if they get another decade in power to do itPulpstar said:del.
https://www.home.co.uk/for_rent/worcester/current_rents?location=worcester
I call that quite a loudly-ticking timebomb, i.e. to add to the leasehold scandal.
They'll be paying market rents, unless Harold Macmillan comes back from the grave with a housing policy that doesn't stigmatise public sector tenants versus owner-occupiers. Governments then sought to build more homes of both types of tenure and achieved an amazing rate of 400,000 per year, pre- the near-total 'bonfire of the regulations'.
Plus new builds are up to 170 000 a year now, their highest rate for 11 years and that is with less land to build on than Macmillan had and despite NIMBYs protesting against building on the green belt
https://www.propertywire.com/news/uk/number-of-new-homes-built-reached-an-11-year-high/
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/686161/Number-pensioners-renting-soared-220-000-last-four-years0 -
Thanks Rob, I have the king of Black eyes, never seen one like it. On the mend though and a silver lining is I have had no drink for days either, so will be as fit as a butchers dog by New Year.RobD said:
I trust you are on the mend. I recommend some nice turnip soup as an alternative to solids.malcolmg said:
Same to you Big G, had a bad start so far, got flu , had coughing fit and stupidly stood up, passed out and went down like a brick , smashed my face badly , spent all Sunday in A & E. At home recovering. Only good thing is having not eaten for day is may lose a bit of weight. Onwards and upwards.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think you will get rid of him that easily Malc. Another 10 years beckons at the rate the opposition are collapsingmalcolmg said:
G, Hopefully Johnson will be marooned in Mustique and we will have seen the back of him, that would be doing the country a serviceBig_G_NorthWales said:
The sooner Corbyn clears off to his allotment the better everyone will be and I know it is ChristmasSouthamObserver said:Corbyn's Christmas message is the perfect encapsulaiton of why Labour lost the election so heavily. It essentially accuses the majority of voters of not being as kind and as compasionate as he is, while failing to acknowledge any kind of Christmas joy and portraying the UK as a land of unremitting misery. He is, as he has done since he became leader, talking at the electorate, rather than to it.
Until Labour understands that peope and the world are complex, that you can be opposed to public services cuts and homelessness, while also aspiring to a better life for you and your family and enjoying Christmas even though not everyone does (for example), it has no hope of winning power.
I have not seen Johnson's message - and will do my very best to avoid it - but I bet it is diametrically opposed in tone and spirit to Cobyn's/ And I know which one most people will relate to better.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1209379431124353024
Anyway, have a great Christmas and a guid New Year
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Page 29 of the Tory manifesto includes a commitment to ban the sale of new leasehold homes and restrict groundrents to a peppercorn and to provide necesssary rights of redress for tenants if you had actually bothered to read it rather than just whingekyf_100 said:
And what of people trapped in flats they can't sell that are clad in flammable materials not covered by the Grenfell legislation?NorthernPowerhouse said:
People who didnt listen to their conveyance solicitors advice and warnings.
Or the people paying 4 x the service charges they were paying when they bought the property, charges that are utterly uncapped and prevent them selling the property? (even Dubai has recently introduced a system to prevent this).
Or people who were pressured by salespeople into using the builder's chosen conveyancer who _didn't_ warn them?
And so on. And so forth.
There have been several excellent articles in the Times and the Guardian among other places on these subjects this year, I suggest you educate yourself.
Most of the people affected by these various scandals are young and first time buyers, exactly the sort of people who should be voting Conservative.
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That is terrible Malc and at this time of year. Look after yourself and grow stronger day by day. All the very best to youmalcolmg said:
Same to you Big G, had a bad start so far, got flu , had coughing fit and stupidly stood up, passed out and went down like a brick , smashed my face badly , spent all Sunday in A & E. At home recovering. Only good thing is having not eaten for day is may lose a bit of weight. Onwards and upwards.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I don't think you will get rid of him that easily Malc. Another 10 years beckons at the rate the opposition are collapsingmalcolmg said:
G, Hopefully Johnson will be marooned in Mustique and we will have seen the back of him, that would be doing the country a serviceBig_G_NorthWales said:
The sooner Corbyn clears off to his allotment the better everyone will be and I know it is ChristmasSouthamObserver said:Corbyn's Christmas message is the perfect encapsulaiton of why Labour lost the election so heavily. It essentially accuses the majority of voters of not being as kind and as compasionate as he is, while failing to acknowledge any kind of Christmas joy and portraying the UK as a land of unremitting misery. He is, as he has done since he became leader, talking at the electorate, rather than to it.
Until Labour understands that peope and the world are complex, that you can be opposed to public services cuts and homelessness, while also aspiring to a better life for you and your family and enjoying Christmas even though not everyone does (for example), it has no hope of winning power.
I have not seen Johnson's message - and will do my very best to avoid it - but I bet it is diametrically opposed in tone and spirit to Cobyn's/ And I know which one most people will relate to better.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1209379431124353024
Anyway, have a great Christmas and a guid New Year
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That would be a mistake. He deserves one far more than many othersTheScreamingEagles said:More shamefully it seems Cummings and BoJo have decided to not give Ken Clarke a peerage.
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HYUFD said:
Page 29 of the Tory manifesto includes a commitment to ban the sale of new leasehold homes and restrict groundrents to a peppercorn and to provide necesssary rights of redress for tenants if you had actually bothered to read it rather than just whinge
https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan
This does not affect existing owners of leasehold properties nor does it affect leasehold flats which, as far as I'm aware, will continue to be sold (Scotland has abolished them in favour of commonhold).HYUFD said:
Page 29 of the Tory manifesto includes a commitment to ban the sale of new leasehold homes and restrict groundrents to a peppercorn and to provide necesssary rights of redress for tenants if you had actually bothered to read it rather than just whingekyf_100 said:
And what of people trapped in flats they can't sell that are clad in flammable materials not covered by the Grenfell legislation?NorthernPowerhouse said:
People who didnt listen to their conveyance solicitors advice and warnings.
Or the people paying 4 x the service charges they were paying when they bought the property, charges that are utterly uncapped and prevent them selling the property? (even Dubai has recently introduced a system to prevent this).
Or people who were pressured by salespeople into using the builder's chosen conveyancer who _didn't_ warn them?
And so on. And so forth.
There have been several excellent articles in the Times and the Guardian among other places on these subjects this year, I suggest you educate yourself.
Most of the people affected by these various scandals are young and first time buyers, exactly the sort of people who should be voting Conservative.
https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan
There are an estimated 2.9 million leasehold flats and 1.4 million leasehold houses in England, with the total amounting to almost a fifth of the English housing stock. So thin gruel for 4.3m households.
There already exist mechanisms for redress for unfair charges etc for leaseholders via the leasehold valuation tribunal but these are widely considered toothless. It remains to be seen whether stronger protection for leaseholders will actually happen.
I would at the very least implement a system such as they have in Dubai:
https://gulfnews.com/business/property/dubai-developers-no-longer-allowed-to-collect-service-charges-from-property-owners-1.67909284
For what it's worth, Sir Peter Bottomley is one of the most tireless campaigners on the subject. And he is hardly a Corbynite.1 -
That's awful, Mark - all best wishes.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.
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Bercow is an irritant, period. He had no mind for precedent except when it suited him. Deny Bercow his platform - he may be a short term shouty man to replace that prat outside HoP but that's B's level.0
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Amen to that.Charles said:
That would be a mistake. He deserves one far more than many othersTheScreamingEagles said:More shamefully it seems Cummings and BoJo have decided to not give Ken Clarke a peerage.
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+1 a thousand times overalterego said:
Amen to that.Charles said:
That would be a mistake. He deserves one far more than many othersTheScreamingEagles said:More shamefully it seems Cummings and BoJo have decided to not give Ken Clarke a peerage.
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Commiserations MMNickPalmer said:
That's awful, Mark - all best wishes.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.
It's beginning to look a lot like a shit Christmas.....
My mother in law is not at all well.. she may see the new yr in but...0 -
Hmm.. seems you are not learning the lessons of the GE. Labour like to THINK they are the party of the working classes, but its no longer true.. the red wall is collapsing.NickPalmer said:
Lol - well put!FF43 said:.
Labour is the party of the working class, if your definition of "working class" is people that actually work and pay taxes etc. The Tories are the party of welfare claimants, in particular a group of highly entitled welfare claimants: pensioners.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
People in Greater Manchester have jobs.nunu2 said:Just amazing in the difference between Tory fortunes in Greater Manchester vs. Merseyside.
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Commisserations, and sincere best for Christmas and the New Year.squareroot2 said:
Commiserations MMNickPalmer said:
That's awful, Mark - all best wishes.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.
It's beginning to look a lot like a shit Christmas.....
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Sorry to hear it, was in a more or less identical situation 2 years ago. Even now I can't really imagine what words might have been of comfort.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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Good luck Mark, Happy Christmas, and soldier on.MarqueeMark said:Thanks all for the kind words.
We can fight like cats and dog here over politics, but it never ceases to amaze that people who have mostly never met can have a great capacity for empathy for their fellow posters. It is truly a wonderful feature of this site. In many ways it emobodies the spirit of goodwill at Christmas, all year round.
Anyway, enough of this schmaltz. I have winter fuel to gather.....0 -
Thanks, its awful for anyone in this situation .. people have to endure this sadness all the time. I lost my first wife on Remembrance Sunday 2012, a date I can never forget.... I am lucky to have been of an age where I was blessed with a second chance.Peter_the_Punter said:
Commisserations, and sincere best for Christmas and the New Year.squareroot2 said:
Commiserations MMNickPalmer said:
That's awful, Mark - all best wishes.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.
It's beginning to look a lot like a shit Christmas.....
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Of course it resolves the issue of leasehold housing going forward as it will be prohibited, those in existing leasehold houses can try and buy the freehold after 2 years.kyf_100 said:HYUFD said:
Page 29 of the Tory manifesto includes a commitment to ban the sale e
https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan
This does not affect existing owners of leasehold properties nor does it affect leasehold flats which, as far as I'm aware, will continue to be sold (Scotland has abolished them in favour of commonhold).HYUFD said:
Page 29 of the Tory manifesto includes a commitment to ban the sale of new leasehold homes and restrict groundrents to a peppercorn and to provide necesssary rights of redress for tenants if you had actually bothered to read it rather than just whingekyf_100 said:
And what of people trapped in flats they can't sell that are ative.NorthernPowerhouse said:
People who didnt listen to their conveyance solicitors advice and warnings.
https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan
There are an estimated 2.9 million leasehold flats and 1.4 million leasehold houses in England, with the total amounting to almost a fifth of the English housing stock. So thin gruel for 4.3m households.
There already exist mechanisms for redress for unfair charges etc for leaseholders via the leasehold valuation tribunal but these are widely considered toothless. It remains to be seen whether stronger protection for leaseholders will actually happen.
I would at the very least implement a system such as they have in Dubai:
https://gulfnews.com/business/property/dubai-developers-no-longer-allowed-to-collect-service-charges-from-property-owners-1.67909284
For what it's worth, Sir Peter Bottomley is one of the most tireless campaigners on the subject. And he is hardly a Corbynite.
As for leasehold flats, flats have always been almost entirely sold leasehold with few problems for generations. However there already is the mechanism of collective enfranchisement in England and Wales if enough flat tenants agree to buy the freehold of the building from the estate management company but even Scottish style commonhold does not mean you actually are freeholder of the whole apartment block, you own your own flat only but share ownership of shared areas of the block collectively with other flat owners and are still responsible for their maintenance and associated costs with them.
So in effect you still pay a service charge, just as part if a collective rather than to a management company, though I agree further measures could be taken to ensure service charges are not excessive for leaseholders
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HYUFD said:
The percent of over-65s renting is however growing, meaning a rise in the government's housing benefit liability.rural_voter said:
And the vast majority of pensioners still own and many of those who do rent in old age as the article says have merely decided to downsize rather than take out another mortgageHYUFD said:
I don't usually cite this paper as a source but nevertheless it's probably an indication of the problem ...rural_voter said:
Why is it a ticking time bomb, if 60% of voters still own that will largely be the same as now and the Tories have just won a majority of 80 which will go up to a landslide majority of 102 once the boundary changes go through? As I have pointed out by 34 most people own a property and by 65 an even higher percentage will do.HYUFD said:
Even if tenants comprise 'only' 40% of pensioners in 2045, that's a ticking timebomb. House prices up in past 10-15 years, vs real wages, means more people becoming resigned to the fact that they'll rent for the rest of their life (45 years possibly).rural_voter said:
They'll be paying market rents, unless Harold Macmillan comes back from the grave with a housing policy that doesn't stigmatise public sector tenants versus owner-occupiers. Governments then sought to build more homes of both types of tenure and achieved an amazing rate of 400,000 per year, pre- the near-total 'bonfire of the regulations'.
Plus new builds are up to 170 000 a year now, their highest rate for 11 years and that is with less land to build on than Macmillan had and despite NIMBYs protesting against building on the green belt
https://www.propertywire.com/news/uk/number-of-new-homes-built-reached-an-11-year-high/
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/property/686161/Number-pensioners-renting-soared-220-000-last-four-years
Blimey, do you get paid for this barrage of Tory propaganda?
It's like Pravda, but from the right not the 'left'.
Thanks to unregulated (anti-)social media, most voters in the general elections of 2024 and 2028/29 won't have a clue whether people like you or the other side are telling the truth or not. That's the most worrying thing and was why the government itself eventually had to set up bodies like the OBR, no-one trusted Ministers of the Crown any more.
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I went through the process of collective enfranchisement for the building I owned a flat in some years back (the freeholder was doing basically emergency-maintenance only). It was a multi-year stressful nightmare of a process and not cheap either, though we did get it done in the end -- the freeholder is obliged to sell but they're not obliged to make it easy. I sold the flat not long after; personally my conclusion was that I'm never buying leasehold again.HYUFD said:
As for leasehold flats, flats have always been almost entirely sold leasehold with few problems for generations. However there already is the mechanism of collective enfranchisement in England and Wales if enough flat tenants agree to buy the freehold of the building from the estate management company
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THE POLITICALLY CORRECT LIBTARDS HAVE NOW BANNED THE GREATEST LIVING ENGLISHMAN FROM USING THE WORD CHRISTMAS
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The OBR was set up to show that the Govt was responsible (and that Labour was not).0
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I'd prefer to see those three out of parliament altogether and for the same underlying reason that Letwin should be denied a peerage ie they are all posturing idiots.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, the same people who tell us that it would be utterly unacceptable for Oliver Letwin to get a peerage will no doubt be entirely chill with Steve Baker and Mark Francois being ennobled when the time comes. It wouldn't even occur to them that Jacob Rees-Mogg might be a controversial appointment.
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I agree, but I suspect Cummings & co correctly think he'd be a nuisance to them in the Lords. Their record is one of ruthless removal of critics (ironically very unlike Corbyn and Momentum, who were routinely accused of it but IIRC never actually deselected anyone). If he was doddery and incapable I'm sure they'd be happy to elevate him.Charles said:
That would be a mistake. He deserves one far more than many othersTheScreamingEagles said:More shamefully it seems Cummings and BoJo have decided to not give Ken Clarke a peerage.
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So sorry to hear that, best wishes to your family at what must be a very difficult time.MarqueeMark said:
I'm told my mother is very unlikely to last the year out. Been talking to undertakers about preliminary arrangements this morning. Not something I've ever had to deal with before. I also have a foul hacking cough and cold - can't risk taking that to the home she's in. So I've probably seen her for the last time.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
It's beginning to look a lot like a shit Christmas.....
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Presumably though you then sold as collective freeholder effectively, albeit with a collective service charge too, rather than as leaseholder?pm215 said:
I went through the process of collective enfranchisement for the building I owned a flat in some years back (the freeholder was doing basically emergency-maintenance only). It was a multi-year stressful nightmare of a process and not cheap either, though we did get it done in the end -- the freeholder is obliged to sell but they're not obliged to make it easy. I sold the flat not long after; personally my conclusion was that I'm never buying leasehold again.HYUFD said:
As for leasehold flats, flats have always been almost entirely sold leasehold with few problems for generations. However there already is the mechanism of collective enfranchisement in England and Wales if enough flat tenants agree to buy the freehold of the building from the estate management company
It does demonstrate that flats, unlike houses, when bought will always have to have additional charges added on as you are buying as part of a block with separate property owners owning separate units but with shared areas requiring shared maintenance whether you buy as a leaseholder, buy via collective enfranchisement or via commonhold. Houses by contrast can always be brought by you as the sole freeholder of the whole property0 -
Bercow is now irrelevant as anything other than an object of ridicule when humiliating himself on Italian television.Stark_Dawning said:Boris has to be careful here. Bercow is the Leavers' ultimate bogeyman, surpassing even Grieve, Soubry and Gina Miller. Boris is lord of all he surveys at present, but if the politics start to chill the peasants will be at his throat in a jiffy if he looks to be creeping back to the old ways and dishing out baubles to the liberal elite. Boris's bedrock doesn't consist of gentleman players who are impressed by abiding by the rules. I suspect Dom understands this and will guide Boris accordingly.
Best forgotten, along with Soubry, Miller and Grieve, in the interests of national healing.
They are already a footnote in political history.0 -
What exactly do you plan to do with the more than half of the population that still thinks Brexit is a mistake?SunnyJim said:
Bercow is now irrelevant as anything other than an object of ridicule when humiliating himself on Italian television.Stark_Dawning said:Boris has to be careful here. Bercow is the Leavers' ultimate bogeyman, surpassing even Grieve, Soubry and Gina Miller. Boris is lord of all he surveys at present, but if the politics start to chill the peasants will be at his throat in a jiffy if he looks to be creeping back to the old ways and dishing out baubles to the liberal elite. Boris's bedrock doesn't consist of gentleman players who are impressed by abiding by the rules. I suspect Dom understands this and will guide Boris accordingly.
Best forgotten, along with Soubry, Miller and Grieve, in the interests of national healing.
They are already a footnote in political history.0 -
For sure NP, Corbyn's shadow cabinet 2019 were full of critics.NickPalmer said:
I agree, but I suspect Cummings & co correctly think he'd be a nuisance to them in the Lords. Their record is one of ruthless removal of critics (ironically very unlike Corbyn and Momentum, who were routinely accused of it but IIRC never actually deselected anyone). If he was doddery and incapable I'm sure they'd be happy to elevate him.Charles said:
That would be a mistake. He deserves one far more than many othersTheScreamingEagles said:More shamefully it seems Cummings and BoJo have decided to not give Ken Clarke a peerage.
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The theoretical question changes shortly though from remain to rejoin.AlastairMeeks said:
What exactly do you plan to do with the more than half of the population that still thinks Brexit is a mistake?SunnyJim said:
Bercow is now irrelevant as anything other than an object of ridicule when humiliating himself on Italian television.Stark_Dawning said:Boris has to be careful here. Bercow is the Leavers' ultimate bogeyman, surpassing even Grieve, Soubry and Gina Miller. Boris is lord of all he surveys at present, but if the politics start to chill the peasants will be at his throat in a jiffy if he looks to be creeping back to the old ways and dishing out baubles to the liberal elite. Boris's bedrock doesn't consist of gentleman players who are impressed by abiding by the rules. I suspect Dom understands this and will guide Boris accordingly.
Best forgotten, along with Soubry, Miller and Grieve, in the interests of national healing.
They are already a footnote in political history.0 -
Indeed. Do you think the majority of sceptics will become more or less enamoured with Brexit if it coincides with the country languishing still further in economic doldrums?Pulpstar said:
The theoretical question changes shortly though from remain to rejoin.AlastairMeeks said:
What exactly do you plan to do with the more than half of the population that still thinks Brexit is a mistake?SunnyJim said:
Bercow is now irrelevant as anything other than an object of ridicule when humiliating himself on Italian television.Stark_Dawning said:Boris has to be careful here. Bercow is the Leavers' ultimate bogeyman, surpassing even Grieve, Soubry and Gina Miller. Boris is lord of all he surveys at present, but if the politics start to chill the peasants will be at his throat in a jiffy if he looks to be creeping back to the old ways and dishing out baubles to the liberal elite. Boris's bedrock doesn't consist of gentleman players who are impressed by abiding by the rules. I suspect Dom understands this and will guide Boris accordingly.
Best forgotten, along with Soubry, Miller and Grieve, in the interests of national healing.
They are already a footnote in political history.0 -
I'm not sure I see the relevance of your question.AlastairMeeks said:
What exactly do you plan to do with the more than half of the population that still thinks Brexit is a mistake?
The behaviour of Bercow, Letwin, Grieve, Soubry etc has been discussed to death and I find it difficult to believe that there will be much support among decent people for elevating any of them to the HoL.
Ken Clarke on the other hand played a straight bat all through the process and his integrity and standing was actually enhanced in my view. He would be a popular choice on all sides.
Equally Nigel Farage fully deserves a peerage for his outstanding contribution to UK politics over the last couple of decades. He would be a hugely popular.1 -
When you buy a leasehold flat, though, you know (or ought to know) what you're getting into. Generally, it is best to enfranchise.kyf_100 said:HYUFD said:
Page 29 of the Tory manifesto includes a commitment to ban the sale of new leasehold homes and restrict groundrents to a peppercorn and to provide necesssary rights of redress for tenants if you had actually bothered to read it rather than just whinge
https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan
This does not affect existing owners of leasehold properties nor does it affect leasehold flats which, as far as I'm aware, will continue to be sold (Scotland has abolished them in favour of commonhold).HYUFD said:
Page 29 of the Tory manifesto includes a commitment to ban the sale of new leasehold homes and restrict groundrents to a peppercorn and to provide necesssary rights of redress for tenants if you had actually bothered to read it rather than just whingekyf_100 said:
And what of people trapped in flats they can't sell that are clad in flammable materials not covered by the Grenfell legislation?NorthernPowerhouse said:
People who didnt listen to their conveyance solicitors advice and warnings.
Or the people paying 4 x the service charges they were paying when they bought the property, charges that are utterly uncapped and prevent them selling the property? (even Dubai has recently introduced a system to prevent this).
Or people who were pressured by salespeople into using the builder's chosen conveyancer who _didn't_ warn them?
And so on. And so forth.
There have been several excellent articles in the Times and the Guardian among other places on these subjects this year, I suggest you educate yourself.
Most of the people affected by these various scandals are young and first time buyers, exactly the sort of people who should be voting Conservative.
https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan
There are an estimated 2.9 million leasehold flats and 1.4 million leasehold houses in England, with the total amounting to almost a fifth of the English housing stock. So thin gruel for 4.3m households.
There already exist mechanisms for redress for unfair charges etc for leaseholders via the leasehold valuation tribunal but these are widely considered toothless. It remains to be seen whether stronger protection for leaseholders will actually happen.
I would at the very least implement a system such as they have in Dubai:
https://gulfnews.com/business/property/dubai-developers-no-longer-allowed-to-collect-service-charges-from-property-owners-1.67909284
For what it's worth, Sir Peter Bottomley is one of the most tireless campaigners on the subject. And he is hardly a Corbynite.0 -
You might find the opinions of decent people vary. Nigel Farage is a strikingly unpopular politician. That he has adoring acolytes does not alter this.SunnyJim said:
I'm not sure I see the relevance of your question.AlastairMeeks said:
What exactly do you plan to do with the more than half of the population that still thinks Brexit is a mistake?
The behaviour of Bercow, Letwin, Grieve, Soubry etc has been discussed to death and I find it difficult to believe that there will be much support among decent people for elevating any of them to the HoL.
Ken Clarke on the other hand played a straight bat all through the process and his integrity and standing was actually enhanced in my view. He would be a popular choice on all sides.
Equally Nigel Farage fully deserves a peerage for his outstanding contribution to UK politics over the last couple of decades. He would be a hugely popular.
Decent people would want to see the most considerable Speaker of our lifetimes in the House of Lords. Only crazed zealots would imagine that the country’s reviewing chamber would not benefit from his presence.
As already noted, Oliver Letwin is a good litmus test for spotting the most demented Leavers. He has behaved with striking integrity throughout. (That is of course what infuriates those demented Leavers.)0 -
AlastairMeeks said:
True to form, Leavers can’t name someone outside the circle of trust they’d be prepared to see given a peerage. A politician prepared to vote for a no deal Brexit doesn’t count.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no doubt Boris should recognise herralphmalph said:I think Boris should consider Caroline Flint. Long service in the House and Govt, prepared to compromise. I think she would work hard in the Lords and not just take the cash and refreshments.
Well, I would say that Kenneth Clarke does merit a peerage.0 -
Zero, the Tories won a landslide majority of 80, which will be 102 post boundary changes, to get Brexit done and AC Grayling will finally have to accept defeatLordWakefield said:1 -
I sold it as leasehold, with an extended-to-999-years lease, plus share of the freehold (but at a loss overall from having bought it 10 years prior).HYUFD said:
Presumably though you then sold as collective freeholder effectively, albeit with a collective service charge too, rather than as leaseholder?
Entirely agreed that flats must necessarily have some kind of shared responsibility for repair and maintenance of the building, with accompanying difficulties of collective action, decision-making and funding. (I would not choose to buy a non-leasehold flat either.) Leasehold adds its own problems on top of that though when it brings in a third-party freeholder whose only concern is making a profit and who legally has practically the entire say in how much or how little work is done on the building.0 -
I think you might find Oliver Letwin is hugely popular with leavers, in the same way Hilary Benn is.AlastairMeeks said:
You might find the opinions of decent people vary. Nigel Farage is a strikingly unpopular politician. That he has adoring acolytes does not alter this.
Decent people would want to see the most considerable Speaker of our lifetimes in the House of Lords. Only crazed zealots would imagine that the country’s reviewing chamber would not benefit from his presence.
As already noted, Oliver Letwin is a good litmus test for spotting the most demented Leavers. He has behaved with striking integrity throughout. (That is of course what infuriates those demented Leavers.)
I'd elevate both with good cheer.1 -
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Though that also depends on what the other commonholders think is necessary in terms of repair, in some cases it may even be easier to force repairs of 1 management company slow to perform repairs than other common holders who have little interest in paying for management and repairs.pm215 said:
I sold it as leasehold, with an extended-to-999-years lease, plus share of the freehold (but at a loss overall from having bought it 10 years prior).HYUFD said:
Presumably though you then sold as collective freeholder effectively, albeit with a collective service charge too, rather than as leaseholder?
Entirely agreed that flats must necessarily have some kind of shared responsibility for repair and maintenance of the building, with accompanying difficulties of collective action, decision-making and funding. (I would not choose to buy a non-leasehold flat either.) Leasehold adds its own problems on top of that though when it brings in a third-party freeholder whose only concern is making a profit and who legally has practically the entire say in how much or how little work is done on the building.
I am also curious quite how you managed to sell at a loss having extended the lease and got a share of the freehold unless it was sold at the time of the 2008 crash0 -
Haven’t seen her around for a while - is she ok?TOPPING said:
Yes plus don't forget one other of us is also doing a conversion of a more personal nature.Foxy said:
It is @Gallowgate doing the law conversion course.viewcode said:Quick question: I'm writing an article for year-end about PB births, deaths, job changes and illnesses. I know about @twistedfirestopper3 wife, @ExiledInScotland brother, and @Casino_Royale 's baby. I know there was a stabbing, somebody left job to do a law degree, and several others are very ill. Can anybody enlighten me as to who they are, please?
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Is...is he just a complete idiot?LordWakefield said:1 -
God bless the Benn Act. I remember describing it as the greatest piece of legislation ever seen when it was introduced.SunnyJim said:
I think you might find Oliver Letwin is hugely popular with leavers, in the same way Hilary Benn is.AlastairMeeks said:
You might find the opinions of decent people vary. Nigel Farage is a strikingly unpopular politician. That he has adoring acolytes does not alter this.
Decent people would want to see the most considerable Speaker of our lifetimes in the House of Lords. Only crazed zealots would imagine that the country’s reviewing chamber would not benefit from his presence.
As already noted, Oliver Letwin is a good litmus test for spotting the most demented Leavers. He has behaved with striking integrity throughout. (That is of course what infuriates those demented Leavers.)
I'd elevate both with good cheer.
Pretty sure I did....0 -
Bought 2001, put on market 2012, sold 2013, with great difficulty shifting it because the common areas were still in a terrible state and made an awful impression on people coming to view it. I see from the rightmove records that the buyer sold it on in 2015 for 50% more than they paid me for it, so it looks like they got the better of that.HYUFD said:
I am also curious quite how you managed to sell at a loss having extended the lease and got a share of the freehold unless it was sold at the time of the 2008 crash0 -
The nature of economic analysis is that it will take a decade at least before it becomes clear if you're right about the country's economic performance after leaving the EU, and even then there will be plenty of reasons to argue about it.AlastairMeeks said:
Indeed. Do you think the majority of sceptics will become more or less enamoured with Brexit if it coincides with the country languishing still further in economic doldrums?
There are no control experiments in macroeconomics.0 -
None of those three deserve a peerage. Letwin possibly a knighthood.AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, the same people who tell us that it would be utterly unacceptable for Oliver Letwin to get a peerage will no doubt be entirely chill with Steve Baker and Mark Francois being ennobled when the time comes. It wouldn't even occur to them that Jacob Rees-Mogg might be a controversial appointment.
Clarke has earned one.
Bercow should get one. I’m not entirely comfortable with him getting it while the bullying allegations hang over his head but On balance I think the PM should just do it. The office is more important than the man.
None of Grieve, Gauke etc deserve one. If they had been loyal members of the party they would have been very suitable “working peers”. But there is no reason why their government should appoint them to that status given the manner of their departure.
If I have forgotten anyone else then it’s an omission nothing else0 -
Thanks, useful for future reference and yes emphasises the importance of ensuring common areas are kept in a good statepm215 said:
Bought 2001, put on market 2012, sold 2013, with great difficulty shifting it because the common areas were still in a terrible state and made an awful impression on people coming to view it. I see from the rightmove records that the buyer sold it on in 2015 for 50% more than they paid me for it, so it looks like they got the better of that.HYUFD said:
I am also curious quite how you managed to sell at a loss having extended the lease and got a share of the freehold unless it was sold at the time of the 2008 crash0 -
Don't forget that Alastair is quite the economic sage and was the first to spot the post referendum recession:Fishing said:
The nature of economic analysis is that it will take a decade at least before it becomes clear if you're right about the country's economic performance after leaving the EU, and even then there will be plenty of reasons to argue about it.AlastairMeeks said:
Indeed. Do you think the majority of sceptics will become more or less enamoured with Brexit if it coincides with the country languishing still further in economic doldrums?
There are no control experiments in macroeconomics.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/
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I’m neither in the Lords nor busy oppressing anyone. Does that reassure you?viewcode said:
I'm not too sure about that...Foxy said:
Gone are the days when oppressing the peasants entitled a place in the Lords.Big_G_NorthWales said:I object to Bercow's peerage until a full and independent investigation into bullying in the HOC has been completed and published
No other reason0 -
He's an 'intellectual'.kle4 said:
Is...is he just a complete idiot?LordWakefield said:
And a hate filled bigot.
IIRC Jolyon Maugham was strongly against taking that line.0 -
It was also interesting to read on that page David H's rather better prediction of an SDP mark 2.another_richard said:
Don't forget that Alastair is quite the economic sage and was the first to spot the post referendum recession:Fishing said:
The nature of economic analysis is that it will take a decade at least before it becomes clear if you're right about the country's economic performance after leaving the EU, and even then there will be plenty of reasons to argue about it.AlastairMeeks said:
Indeed. Do you think the majority of sceptics will become more or less enamoured with Brexit if it coincides with the country languishing still further in economic doldrums?
There are no control experiments in macroeconomics.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/
Happy Christmas to all PBers.0 -
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What we saw in 2019 with TIG was what would likely have happened to the SDP if the Alliance with Liberals hadn't immediately happened in 1981.Fishing said:
It was also interesting to read on that page David H's rather better prediction of an SDP mark 2.another_richard said:
Don't forget that Alastair is quite the economic sage and was the first to spot the post referendum recession:Fishing said:
The nature of economic analysis is that it will take a decade at least before it becomes clear if you're right about the country's economic performance after leaving the EU, and even then there will be plenty of reasons to argue about it.AlastairMeeks said:
Indeed. Do you think the majority of sceptics will become more or less enamoured with Brexit if it coincides with the country languishing still further in economic doldrums?
There are no control experiments in macroeconomics.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/
Happy Christmas to all PBers.0 -
Absolutely nothing.AlastairMeeks said:
What exactly do you plan to do with the more than half of the population that still thinks Brexit is a mistake?SunnyJim said:
Bercow is now irrelevant as anything other than an object of ridicule when humiliating himself on Italian television.Stark_Dawning said:Boris has to be careful here. Bercow is the Leavers' ultimate bogeyman, surpassing even Grieve, Soubry and Gina Miller. Boris is lord of all he surveys at present, but if the politics start to chill the peasants will be at his throat in a jiffy if he looks to be creeping back to the old ways and dishing out baubles to the liberal elite. Boris's bedrock doesn't consist of gentleman players who are impressed by abiding by the rules. I suspect Dom understands this and will guide Boris accordingly.
Best forgotten, along with Soubry, Miller and Grieve, in the interests of national healing.
They are already a footnote in political history.
Nothing should be "done with" them.
Brexit should be done and hopefully the fewer than half who voted against in the referendum realise it's ok and it becomes our new normal.
If in 4-5 years time the fewer than half who were against Brexit want to reverse course they can vote for that. Boris should try and ensure Brexit works for everyone. It's as simple as that.0 -
Cliffs all over the country should have a special express lane available should Jolyon Maugham ever wish to use them.another_richard said:
He's an 'intellectual'.kle4 said:
Is...is he just a complete idiot?LordWakefield said:
And a hate filled bigot.
IIRC Jolyon Maugham was strongly against taking that line.
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It's unthinkable that Ken Clarke wouldn't get a Peerage - other than Prime Ministers he's surely just about the most eminent politician of recent decades.
Of course recent PMs haven't taken Peerages but Ken must get one if he wants it.1 -
Bercow absolutely should get a peerage if an inquiry into the bullying allegations clears him and not before. The inquiry should have started a year or so ago so his retirement shouldn't trump that.0
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I haven't seen any comment on the fact that Yvette Cooper is now 4th favourite for Lab leader at 16.
Presumably this suggests she is seriously considering running.
Bad news for RLB if she does - just imagine a 4 way TV debate between RLB, Starmer, Nandy and Cooper. RLB would get shown up very badly indeed.0 -
Marf can pretty much recycle this one for 2019 (although Boris's Hanukkah greetings might make the good news bubble!)
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/12/31/as-2018-comes-to-an-end-marfs-cartoon-of-the-year/0 -
Aren’t you the charmer?Omnium said:
Cliffs all over the country should have a special express lane available should Jolyon Maugham ever wish to use them.another_richard said:
He's an 'intellectual'.kle4 said:
Is...is he just a complete idiot?LordWakefield said:
And a hate filled bigot.
IIRC Jolyon Maugham was strongly against taking that line.0 -
I wouldn't take it as writ that Cooper will run. For a start she has a big defence job on in her seat next time round. Lots of Brexit votes there for Tories to go after.MikeL said:I haven't seen any comment on the fact that Yvette Cooper is now 4th favourite for Lab leader at 16.
Presumably this suggests she is seriously considering running.
Bad news for RLB if she does - just imagine a 4 way TV debate between RLB, Starmer, Nandy and Cooper. RLB would get shown up very badly indeed.0 -
Coopers price has been weirdly short all through the last few years
Topically I'm just passing by Ferrybridge Power station right now0 -
By then Brexit could be such an economic disaster, that no one in the North will be looking to support Johnson.Pulpstar said:
I wouldn't take it as writ that Cooper will run. For a start she has a big defence job on in her seat next time round. Lots of Brexit votes there for Tories to go after.MikeL said:I haven't seen any comment on the fact that Yvette Cooper is now 4th favourite for Lab leader at 16.
Presumably this suggests she is seriously considering running.
Bad news for RLB if she does - just imagine a 4 way TV debate between RLB, Starmer, Nandy and Cooper. RLB would get shown up very badly indeed.0 -
If you are left leaning you're going for RBL.MikeL said:I haven't seen any comment on the fact that Yvette Cooper is now 4th favourite for Lab leader at 16.
Presumably this suggests she is seriously considering running.
Bad news for RLB if she does - just imagine a 4 way TV debate between RLB, Starmer, Nandy and Cooper. RLB would get shown up very badly indeed.
If you're on the centre/right of the party you'd surely opt for Starmer.
I've seen lots of posts of support for both these candidates but next to none for YC so i'm struggling to see where her support will come from.0 -
I think sectioning would be more humane ........ No, sod it, cliffs it is.Omnium said:
Cliffs all over the country should have a special express lane available should Jolyon Maugham ever wish to use them.another_richard said:
He's an 'intellectual'.kle4 said:
Is...is he just a complete idiot?LordWakefield said:
And a hate filled bigot.
IIRC Jolyon Maugham was strongly against taking that line.0 -
As always I’m touched you pay such close attention to my words. Happy Christmas to you also.another_richard said:
Don't forget that Alastair is quite the economic sage and was the first to spot the post referendum recession:Fishing said:
The nature of economic analysis is that it will take a decade at least before it becomes clear if you're right about the country's economic performance after leaving the EU, and even then there will be plenty of reasons to argue about it.AlastairMeeks said:
Indeed. Do you think the majority of sceptics will become more or less enamoured with Brexit if it coincides with the country languishing still further in economic doldrums?
There are no control experiments in macroeconomics.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/
Happy Christmas to all PBers.1 -
Do side-shows get a TV debate?MikeL said:I haven't seen any comment on the fact that Yvette Cooper is now 4th favourite for Lab leader at 16.
Presumably this suggests she is seriously considering running.
Bad news for RLB if she does - just imagine a 4 way TV debate between RLB, Starmer, Nandy and Cooper. RLB would get shown up very badly indeed.0
