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New Speaker Lindsay Hoyle is surely right when he says says Johnson should not deny Bercow a peerage. It would be seen as mean and vindictive. #.https://t.co/iFaPJQ9uJo
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Or any position in which he might have any influence on this country.
And Jo Swinson.
It won't do him any harm if he does. His claque will adore him for it.
Even if there was no evidence against Bercow you could still take many years investigating bullying allegations.
If it's not done it could become one a rallying call for "Boris never intended to leave properly, wouldn't give Farage a knighthood".
The bullying allegations provide good cover certainly for delaying Bercow's peerage till they're sorted.
I realise that you might want to read whatever you want to read, but don't drag me into your private fantasies.
If I were being particularly mean then perhaps an hereditary peerage would be the ticket as I don’t think that gets you into the Lords anymore.
It’s a very good job I’m not PM for everyone’s sake.
Farage's John the Baptist to Johnson's Jesus Christ, so to speak.
We are leaving the EU in the next five weeks and it is down to him. He beat the establishment not once, but twice.
One reason I read the comments here is to read opinions that challenge my assumptions. I may not agree with everything you write, but at the least it forces me to make sure I am happy about my prejudices and sometimes it makes me change how I view something. I apologise if I came across as too flippant earlier.
He managed to both be too clever by half and not half as smart as he thinks he is. Not to mention the good old community charge...
Boris should say Bercow's peerage has been given to Nigel Farage instead.
He had the oppotunity to start an appropriate enquiry, and he chose to use his personal authority to prevent it.
We would not have a rape facilitator or an abuse tolerator newly appointed to the Lords.
Why would a possible bullying tolerator, or a bully himself, be any different?
Adjective, noun, adverb, verb.
As in the fucking fucker's fucking fucked things up.
This is enjoyably angry from two idiots at the LSE. No wonder it's gone downhill if they employ people like this.
But the office needs to recover from his occupation of it and breaking a precedent like this would not help. There's been enough of that already. I think the office wins, but its close.
If one were approaching it from first principles, John Bercow would obviously be getting a peerage. Quite apart from it being something that comes up with the rations for Speakers, he has been the most considerable Speaker of any of our lifetimes. You might not like him or what he stood for, but he was undeniably important: exactly the sort of person who should be honoured in the (stupid) system that Britain has.
Nigel Farage has been an entirely malign influence on British politics. Nevertheless, he represents a substantial strand of British political opinion. A peerage would, regrettably, be in order here too.
Oliver Letwin provokes the most irrational hatred among the crazier Leavers. Why is quite beyond me: he was utterly consistent in arguing that Britain should leave the EU with a deal and sought only to make sure that Britain did not leave the EU without a deal and to make sure that the terms of the deal were properly examined. This was apparently far too much for the extremists, who have made him into their latest hate figure. As a man who has provided public service for a generation, he too would be entirely fitting for a peerage. The only argument against him is based on a hatred of pluralism.
I genuinely don’t understand this, either.
These honours need to be made EXCEPTIONAL awards. And for being exceptional in a good way, Mr. Bercow. Not something that just comes along with the Civil Service or EU pensions.
Bercow was a central figure in allowing our Parliament to walk away from its obligations for many months, as he plotted with the Remainers in Parliament. The rest have been told what the voters think of them. Bercow should have the same treatment meted out by Boris.
If it was left to me, Bercow would spend the rest of his days like a performing monkey, shouting "Order, Order!" to crowds of bemused Chinese visitors in Covent Garden, seeking small change in a held out full bottomed wig.
Now, many would do away with such a systems we have it at all which is fair enough, but while we still have it the principle that our legislative processes will benefit from the inclusion of people who hold or have held particular positions is not i think unreasonable, and I would suggest Speaker of the House of Commons is one such position. Even if it is Bercow.
If the whole system is to be ripped up, sure, but until it is I think this convention is one that should be maintained.
Who knows - his actions once elevated might well hasten its end
Or we could just, I don't know, pay teachers a lot more.
Change UK was obviously a failure but I'm not certain the Labour brand survives long term with the way it is. Ian Murray leaving would spell curtains for them in Scotland (I think he could hold Edinburgh South as an independent). If he decides to go that is Scotland lost forever to Labour.
1. John Bercow - because ex-speakers do.
2. Nigel Farage - because he has made an enormous, perhaps unprecedented contribution to British politics.
They should hand back their degrees to whichever university was silly to award them.
Is there any discrepancy once you account for general demographic factors? How great is it?
Take Scotland, for example. Margin of error of even +/- 1% in SNP vote is the difference between them taking every Scottish seat, and none of them.
And the Lib Dems just increased vote share by 50% and lost seats. In 2017 they lost vote share and gained seats. In 2010 they gained vote share and lost seats.
More seriously I’ve been listening to Jacqui Smith the former Labour Home Secretary on some podcasts with Iain Dale for LBC. She is someone who would do well in the Lords, and she is definitely not a fan of Boris or of Brexit.
Can anyone name any other PM bar Blair who willingly gave peerages to sworn enemies ?
He made a genuine attempt in the indicative votes process to reach for compromise instead of the monomaniacal remain only approach of many that ultimately created the perfect ground for a leave landslide in the final (& Hardest) Brexit WA vote.
Another that should be given a peerage ? Nick Boles.
Philip Hammond I wouldn't object to. David Lidington. Tom Watson no, but only because of his involvement in the Carl Beech affair.
Is it cheating to say Gordon Brown?
Death to the Kulaks and Wreckers! All power to the People's Government under the rule of the Father of the Nation, Comrade Johnson.
Not that I disagree.
I expect Ken Clarke, Oliver Letwin et al will all be tolerated once the revolution has found new children to eat.
Ken Clarke’s first act as Chancellor was to sack David Cameron but the moment Dave became leader he tried to get Ken Clarke to join the shadow cabinet.
But Liverpool is Labour way beyond its relative deprivation, BAME vote graduate % or urban character suggests it should be. I think it is the Sun and the reason for the Sun being banned - the Hillsborough disaster reinforced the Chernobyl like status the Tories have had in that part of the country.
Also Corbyn's particular strand of Labour is very well liked there - Kinnock's speech was aimed against Hatton and co iirc.
Until Labour understands that peope and the world are complex, that you can be opposed to public services cuts and homelessness, while also aspiring to a better life for you and your family and enjoying Christmas even though not everyone does (for example), it has no hope of winning power.
I have not seen Johnson's message - and will do my very best to avoid it - but I bet it is diametrically opposed in tone and spirit to Cobyn's/ And I know which one most people will relate to better.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1209379431124353024
Boris Johnson’s publication of that article didn’t help the Tories in Liverpool.
Ironically the most popular Tory in Liverpool is Dominic Grieve.
No other reason
All teachers' salaries to be doubled.
All MPs to have a minus figure.
Yet again.
OTOH the last couple of speakers - including Bercow - have hardly been stellar.
We already have crooks, industrial scale expenses fiddlers, useless oafs, jailbirds and liars in the Lords, so why not add a pompous little self-obsessed tosspot to complete the collection? It will add even more colour.
Happy Christmas, everyone !