Luckyguy1983 said:

Could Labour perking up a bit be almost entirely due to the WASPI bung? People who wouldn't vote Labour unless you paid them, are literally getting paid to vote Labour. It would be interesting to see whether their vote share amongst females has increased, though the spouses could well be just as enthused.

There isn't really much the Tories can do. To attack the claim draws more people's attention to the free money.

All they can do is use the fact they've been conservative with the dosh so far, and come out with their own barrel of pork. Something eye catching to steal the agenda.

Casino_Royale said:

Cyclefree said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Cyclefree said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

RobD said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

The lunatic Waspi bung should have immediately backfired badly for Labour. That it didn't shows that the Tories have failed to hammer home the fantastical nature of Labour's spending promises.

How do you counter it effectively without reminding 3+ million people they can get £30k for just ticking a box?

I meant they should have already hammered home the message, so that when the Waspi bung appeared it would have been universally met with the derision it deserves, without the Tories needing to do much more.

The Tory campaign has been lazy. They've forgotten how to argue, how to make a case, how to demolish an opponent's case.

How do you argue when the arguments that should be overwhelming such as the Opposition being patently unfit for office count for nothing? If Corbyn being an anti-semite marxist who will bankrupt us all is not enough then what would you suggest is?

Those are assertions rather than arguments. Patiently demolishing each of the manifesto promises, showing their absurdities, the unintended and harmful consequences, asking the questions to which your opponents have no answer, showing the contradictions between what Labour are saying and what Labour are promising are what's needed.
Clearly lots of people don't think Labour is unfit for office. So merely saying it achieves nothing. Saying why in terms that make sense to people is what's needed. Shouting "Marxist" does not help. Stating that a tax policy will take away this much money from people on this low income e.g. the marriage tax allowance or that this promise cannot be paid without taxing you etc are what's needed.

Yes, the Tories should go hard on the economy and spend the last two weeks ripping apart Labour’s economic and fiscal case.

Show the bungs to be a complete chimera that we’ll all end up paying for but, stick with them, and real sustainable rewards will come.

SunnyJim said:

stodge said:

Where is the Conservative vote IF Labour return to the centre ground or is there an expectation that, at the next election and after 14 years in office, normal service will resume and those pro-Remain Conservatives who cannot support the Party this time will return to the fold?

As long as Corbyn and his fellow travellers are removed from the picture i'd be more than happy for a 97-00 Blair-type Labour government.

And i'm a Tory.

YBarddCwsc said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

It makes no difference. No one believes a word politicians say anymore. After all, if vast swathes of them can lie about carrying out Brexit at the last election why should anyone believe what they say this time around? Basically the failure to accept the public vote in 2016 has broken politics in this country completely. Which is why Corbyn can get away with saying anything he likes and no argument against him will work.

I think that is correct, although Brexit is not the only cause.

The poisonous lies over the Iraq War from New Labour, the pledges over tuition fees from all parties, the failure to hold any one to account over the banking crisis, the "We're all in it together" spiel from Cameron and Clegg as they walk over to multi-million pound jobs. All parties have contributed to a huge corrosion of trust, including those elected on a manifesto to implement Brexit who then spent 3 years doing the opposite.

Corbyn can pretty much offer to bung 30k at all women born between 1950 and 1960, and most people will say (while accepting the money will probably never materialise) that it is no worse than the dishonest actions of other politicians from other parties.

Henrietta said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Paging @Scrapheap_as_was, note number 1 on this list

https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1199388426870677508

That's a well-designed poster, especially the use of smudgy grey with the black, red, and yellow. How much does it all add up to, compared with the abolition of tuition fees, the introduction of free broadband, and the tightening of rent controls, for the median person who's unlikely to pay much (or any) inheritance tax and who doesn't own a business?

YBarddCwsc said:

Henrietta said:

DavidL said:

Henrietta said:

May I nominate Adam Price of Plaid Cymru for the Manspreader of the Year Award? His intervew with Jo Coburn of the BBC shouldn't be missed. He sat with his feet a yard apart, toes pointed in opposite directions, and kept bouncing on his seat aiming his crotch in Jo's direction. Top work!

There's an award for this? Who knew? Don't tell Boris for goodness sake.

Watch the interview. Price has set a very high bar. Boris couldn't perform at that level. Price practically...well...just watch it... Top stuff. If a bloke sat opposite me on the Tube started with body language like that, I'd be scared.

Adam Price is gay.

I don't see why you would have much to be scared about if he sat opposite to you on the tube.