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edited November 2019 in General

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As regular readers will know, I am the Conservative candidate for Newcastle-under-Lyme, a seat that has been Labour for a century and has not elected a Conservative since 1880. However I am now facing a majority of just 30, in a seat that voted around 63% to Leave. That’s the official Borough figure – Professor Chris Hanretty has the constituency a touch lower at 61.6% but observers who were at the referendum count disagree with that adjustment!

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  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    edited November 2019
    1st again!
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Great to read a post like this from someoen right at the coalface.
  • camelcamel Posts: 815
    Newcastle-Under-Lyme headers are potty.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Best of luck to Aaron!
  • Brom said:

    Best of luck to Aaron!

    +100
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    It’s what lifetime campaigners against racism do, apparently.
  • "And voters aren’t stupid: they don’t blame Boris for missing the 31st October deadline"

    Weren't we assured by many remainers here that he would be blamed?
  • Shocking that that old punter in the pic can't afford to keep the heating on and is thus having to wear a zipped up padded gilet indoors. More oap cosseting required obviously.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    A big thank you to Aaron Bell for taking the time to do this header. Much appreciated and very interesting.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Indeed, I posted it on the last thread!
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Brom said:

    Best of luck to Aaron!

    +100
    I believe he is originally from around the Bromley area too so even more reason. He put in a valiant effort against Flint in Don Valley in 2017. His successor could well finish the job this time around.
  • Best of luck indeed!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Alistair said:

    Indeed, I posted it on the last thread!
    Wait, no I didn't, that was a Kantar poll reported by Reuters.

    This is ICM!
  • Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    What was this for sorry?
  • Apologies if this has been covered before, but according to the Mail Diane Abbott and Valerie Vaz are amongst 8 senior Labour women who will receive the WASPI bribe.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    Cyclefree said:

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    It’s what lifetime campaigners against racism do, apparently.
    I mean if hes sick then ok but otherwise it's pure scumbaggery/jew baiting
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Another poll just out (ICM) with the lead at 7% and a narrowing

    https://twitter.com/ICMResearch/status/1199302594054766594?s=20
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    Another poll just out (ICM) with the lead at 7% and a narrowing

    https://twitter.com/ICMResearch/status/1199302594054766594?s=20

    We had that poll yesterday
  • Well done for standing for election and thanks for this missive from the front line. It's nothing personal but I hope your hard work delivers you a close second place. My model says you will win though, with an 11pp margin over Labour.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    I am not sure I would ever take the view of an observer at a count over the post referendum analysis of a respected academic. Such a view will, however, fit nicely in the Commons which regards evidence based policy as anathema and any background in numerate and scientific subjects to be viewed with intense suspicion.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    I don't think anyone can deny now that there has been a shift to Labour. It may be small but it's fairly incontrovertible.

    The question is why?

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1199279263440154626?s=20
  • Another poll just out (ICM) with the lead at 7% and a narrowing

    https://twitter.com/ICMResearch/status/1199302594054766594?s=20

    Not JUST out! We knew about this one yesterday!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    What was this for sorry?
    The launch of the race manifesto. Hes bunked it
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946

    Another poll just out (ICM) with the lead at 7% and a narrowing

    https://twitter.com/ICMResearch/status/1199302594054766594?s=20

    Old news it was out yesterday afternoon and was the catalyst for much meltdown
  • All the best, Aaron!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    humbugger said:

    Apologies if this has been covered before, but according to the Mail Diane Abbott and Valerie Vaz are amongst 8 senior Labour women who will receive the WASPI bribe.

    Are Labour really proposing to pay money to people who are still working? Seriously???
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    humbugger said:

    Apologies if this has been covered before, but according to the Mail Diane Abbott and Valerie Vaz are amongst 8 senior Labour women who will receive the WASPI bribe.

    For the MP not the jew
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    Errr ...????

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1199302964705447936?s=20

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,446
    Thanks for the report.

    One of the most confusing things to me about economic development in the Internet Age has been the strengthening dominance of big cities such as London (but seen worldwide too). Naively I would have expected geography to matter less and for towns to benefit - large enough to have good internet connectivity (compared to rural areas), and with more space than in a crowded city.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    What was this for sorry?
    The launch of the race manifesto. Hes bunked it
    Except he hasn't. He has arrived.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    It’s what lifetime campaigners against racism do, apparently.
    He’s probably campaigning vigorously against racism somewhere else. Somewhere he can be sure there are no jews.....
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    humbugger said:

    Apologies if this has been covered before, but according to the Mail Diane Abbott and Valerie Vaz are amongst 8 senior Labour women who will receive the WASPI bribe.

    Someone should tell Diane. Apparently she looked at her birthdate, did a quick calculation and decided she is only 52.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,759

    I don't think anyone can deny now that there has been a shift to Labour. It may be small but it's fairly incontrovertible.

    The question is why?

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1199279263440154626?s=20

    It depends what timescale you're looking at. Compared to the start of the campaign, there's been a small shift to the Conservatives.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    edited November 2019

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    Errr ...????

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1199302964705447936?s=20

    Oh hes swanned in 45 minutes late. How good of him to pop in
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Cyclefree said:

    humbugger said:

    Apologies if this has been covered before, but according to the Mail Diane Abbott and Valerie Vaz are amongst 8 senior Labour women who will receive the WASPI bribe.

    Are Labour really proposing to pay money to people who are still working? Seriously???
    TBF, the details of the policy appear not to be fully worked out.

    However, I read in the Guardian that McDonnell "has been looking at the issue for some 18 months", so it is reasonable for journalists to question him on it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/nov/23/station-pension-age-women-labour-compensation
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052

    "And voters aren’t stupid: they don’t blame Boris for missing the 31st October deadline"

    Weren't we assured by many remainers here that he would be blamed?

    Of course he should be. Voters *are* stupid.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited November 2019
    Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.
  • Really interesting thread. Good luck.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Good luck Aaron, you should win this time
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003

    I don't think anyone can deny now that there has been a shift to Labour. It may be small but it's fairly incontrovertible.

    The question is why?

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1199279263440154626?s=20

    Mainly Labour squeezing the LD vote, Tories still at 2017 levels but not by enough yet to stop a Tory majority
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    edited November 2019

    Cyclefree said:

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    It’s what lifetime campaigners against racism do, apparently.
    He’s probably campaigning vigorously against racism somewhere else. Somewhere he can be sure there are no jews.....
    Well he has now arrived. So the criticism (including my own) should be withdrawn.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,446

    The question is why?

    The power of "Get Brexit Done" as a slogan is that the voters are sick and tired of the continuing wrangle over Brexit and want it over with. Apparently Johnson is so enamoured of the subject that he thinks the text of his Brexit Deal is a suitable Christmas present. Massive mistake. Cruel and unusual punishment masquerading as a present. Undermines his own messaging. Makes it look like he's the candidate who would bore everyone with the minutiae of his Brexit Deal at the work Christmas Party, would choose it as his specialist subject on Mastermind, etc, etc. The voters are sick of Brexit - and it's all Johnson wants to talk about. For ever. The horror.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    Errr ...????

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1199302964705447936?s=20

    Oh hes swanned in 45 minutes late. How good of him to pop in
    Come on. Don't be an arse.

    All the leaders are working their socks off. With all their criss-crossing they can't all make every venue exactly on time. Not Johnson. Not Sturgeon. Not Swinson. Not Corbyn.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    edited November 2019

    Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.

    If there is a trend, next Sunday's ELBOW should pick it up :)

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/1198699068953899008
  • camelcamel Posts: 815
    "Reporting from the front Lyme"

    We also need to hear from Angela Rayner's constituency, but I have no idea how it would be titled.

    Good Luck Aaron. I imagine Caroline Flint will be pleased to see you in the Potteries, too.
  • Re: The thread header. Thank you and good luck.
  • Cyclefree said:


    Cyclefree said:

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    It’s what lifetime campaigners against racism do, apparently.
    He’s probably campaigning vigorously against racism somewhere else. Somewhere he can be sure there are no jews.....
    Well he has now arrived. So the criticism (including my own) should be withdrawn.
    Yes that’s fair.
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    HYUFD said:

    I don't think anyone can deny now that there has been a shift to Labour. It may be small but it's fairly incontrovertible.

    The question is why?

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1199279263440154626?s=20

    Mainly Labour squeezing the LD vote, Tories still at 2017 levels but not by enough yet to stop a Tory majority
    Well up until 48 hours ago I agreed with you and was beginning to think 'landslide.'

    If this pans out it's squeaky bum. 7% is right on the cusp of a tory majority.

    And last time the pollsters almost invariably underestimated the Labour share by up to 6%.

    2.8 million new registrations, many of them youngsters. I just wonder. Labour's bag of tricks might be pulling people in. The end of tuition fees must be a huge draw?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Cyclefree said:


    Cyclefree said:

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    It’s what lifetime campaigners against racism do, apparently.
    He’s probably campaigning vigorously against racism somewhere else. Somewhere he can be sure there are no jews.....
    Well he has now arrived. So the criticism (including my own) should be withdrawn.
    I applaud you for that.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946

    Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.

    Kantar is a bit wild but it drops into line with the polling at the weekend and the previous was on the outlier end of polling this campaign. The welsh poll also supports a 11-12% or so lead and is change over 3 weeks. This leaves survation and ICM which show a small movement within MoE. Until we see if the other pollsters are showing movement you cant extrapolate anything from 2 margin of error movements.
    In respect of leader ratings the gold standard MORI had a 1% swing to Jezza, I.e. meaningless. It updates tomorrow as does Mori VI.
    There should be a YouGov out today and the mrp tomorrow evening
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,866
    'Diane Abbott continues her address by saying "random" stop-and search can prove "fatal" for relations between the police and communities.'

    There's only one thing that is fatal Diane, and that is knife crime.

    Hand-wringing bollocks.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946

    Cyclefree said:


    Cyclefree said:

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    It’s what lifetime campaigners against racism do, apparently.
    He’s probably campaigning vigorously against racism somewhere else. Somewhere he can be sure there are no jews.....
    Well he has now arrived. So the criticism (including my own) should be withdrawn.
    Yes that’s fair.
    Regrettably it is. Hes late though like a big oaf
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,349
    Thanks Aaron. The authentic nitty gritty of hard campaigning!
    I have you down as a 3,000 majority
    Con/Lab/LD/BXP
    49/42/7/1
  • Thanks for the interesting article Aaron and best of luck!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946

    Corbyn has no chaired himself at the anti racism event. Appalling

    Errr ...????

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1199302964705447936?s=20

    Oh hes swanned in 45 minutes late. How good of him to pop in
    Come on. Don't be an arse.

    All the leaders are working their socks off. With all their criss-crossing they can't all make every venue exactly on time. Not Johnson. Not Sturgeon. Not Swinson. Not Corbyn.

    Fair enough but today was important given the backdrop. Poor show to be late but yes hes there so fairs fair
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    edited November 2019

    Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.

    I don’t honestly know the answer. I have always thought - and said on here - that I expected Labour to do better, the Tories worse than they both thought and for the Lib Dems not to do as well as they might once have hoped. Another hung Parliament is a very real possibility.
    I will suggest three reasons:-
    1. There is not much in the Tory manifesto. No eye-catching retail offer. Something towards students / the young should have been included.
    2. For all the talk about people disliking Corbyn etc I think a lot of Labour voters are able somehow to disassociate voting Labour with supporting Corbyn. So they feel able to be as rude about Corbyn as possible but still tick the Labour box.
    3. The Tories really have not attacked the Labour manifesto - it’s unaffordability, the cost, the unintended consequences, its authoritarianism (a state owned internet, FFS! - like Iran or China). They are - much like May- letting Labour’s manifesto go by default. Where the hell is the Tory treasury team, for instance?
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Whatever your politics, 'Get Brexit Done' is a godawful slogan. I think people are really sick of hearing it, just as many people are heartily sick of Brexit. I don't know anyone who talks about it. They ARE talking about loads of other policy issues though.

    The beautiful irony of this is that Tony Blair warned that a General Election would be more than about just Brexit. But the Tories haven't shown any adaptation and are still in robotic mode.

    They may still win but this is sooooooooooooo like 2017 again.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.

    I don’t honestly know the answer. I have always thought - and said on here - that I expected Labour to do better, the Tories worse than they both thought and for the Lib Dems not to do as well as they might once have hoped. Another hung Parliament is a very real possibility.
    I will suggest three reasons:-
    1. There is not much in the Tory manifesto. No eye-catching retail offer. Something towards students / the young should have been included.
    2. For all the talk about people disliking Corbyn etc I think a lot of Labour voters are able somehow to disassociate voting Labour with supporting Corbyn. So they feel able to be as rude about Corbyn as possible but still tick the Labour box.
    3. The Tories really have not attacked the Labour manifesto - it’s unaffordability, the cost, the unintended consequences, its authoritarianism (a state owned internet, FFS! - like Iran or China). They are - much like May- letting Labour’s manifesto go by default. Where the hell is the Tory treasury team, for instance?
    Spot on
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946

    Whatever your politics, 'Get Brexit Done' is a godawful slogan. I think people are really sick of hearing it, just as many people are heartily sick of Brexit. I don't know anyone who talks about it. They ARE talking about loads of other policy issues though.

    The beautiful irony of this is that Tony Blair warned that a General Election would be more than about just Brexit. But the Tories haven't shown any adaptation and are still in robotic mode.

    They may still win but this is sooooooooooooo like 2017 again.

    Lol, in a thread written by a PPC telling us people bring up that very slogan unprompted
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003

    Whatever your politics, 'Get Brexit Done' is a godawful slogan. I think people are really sick of hearing it, just as many people are heartily sick of Brexit. I don't know anyone who talks about it. They ARE talking about loads of other policy issues though.

    The beautiful irony of this is that Tony Blair warned that a General Election would be more than about just Brexit. But the Tories haven't shown any adaptation and are still in robotic mode.

    They may still win but this is sooooooooooooo like 2017 again.

    That slogan keeps the Tories above 40%.

    Other than that having avoided a dementia tax gaffe in the manifesto provided the LD vote stays over 10% unlike 2017 the Tories should win a majority
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,866
    Thanks Aaron.

    Looks like you are putting a few shifts in. However, I think you'd probably win if you sat with your feet up for a month!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,723
    I would wish you good luck, Aaron - but it is more about the hard graft of a new candidate getting known by his voters.

    (The good luck comes in hoping the centre don't cock it up for you!)
  • Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.

    I have a theory about that, encompassing both Boris and Jo Swinson. I've not had time to research it yet though.

    Basically, David Cameron's mum was right. And so was Kate Hoey, and pb's very own TSE, who wrote a header on this.

    Neither Boris nor Jo Swinson look the part. Look at recent news of Boris and he is scruffy at the Cenotaph, or clowning around with a sheep, and he deliberately tousles his thinning hair like Stan Laurel.

    Jeremy Corbyn wears a sharp suit and tie. He looks like a prime minister. Boris and Jo need to get down to Savile Row sharpish.

    Btw, Boris's photo ops are stage-managed, so CCHQ disagrees with me. Boris is generally shown joining in with the workers, with a broom or mop, or indeed sheep. At hospitals he takes off his jacket and rolls up his sleeves as if he has just delivered a premature baby.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Cyclefree said:

    Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.

    I don’t honestly know the answer. I have always thought - and said on here - that I expected Labour to do better, the Tories worse than they both thought and for the Lib Dems not to do as well as they might once have hoped. Another hung Parliament is a very real possibility.
    I will suggest three reasons:-
    1. There is not much in the Tory manifesto. No eye-catching retail offer. Something towards students / the young should have been included.
    2. For all the talk about people disliking Corbyn etc I think a lot of Labour voters are able somehow to disassociate voting Labour with supporting Corbyn. So they feel able to be as rude about Corbyn as possible but still tick the Labour box.
    3. The Tories really have not attacked the Labour manifesto - it’s unaffordability, the cost, the unintended consequences, its authoritarianism (a state owned internet, FFS! - like Iran or China). They are - much like May- letting Labour’s manifesto go by default. Where the hell is the Tory treasury team, for instance?
    Rubbish, the Tories manifesto offers plenty on new affordable housing if you bothered to read it and the Tories provided plenty of attack ads on Labour's gift tax and tax rises on social media unlike 2017
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    edited November 2019

    HYUFD said:

    I don't think anyone can deny now that there has been a shift to Labour. It may be small but it's fairly incontrovertible.

    The question is why?

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1199279263440154626?s=20

    Mainly Labour squeezing the LD vote, Tories still at 2017 levels but not by enough yet to stop a Tory majority
    Well up until 48 hours ago I agreed with you and was beginning to think 'landslide.'

    If this pans out it's squeaky bum. 7% is right on the cusp of a tory majority.

    And last time the pollsters almost invariably underestimated the Labour share by up to 6%.

    2.8 million new registrations, many of them youngsters. I just wonder. Labour's bag of tricks might be pulling people in. The end of tuition fees must be a huge draw?
    Even 7% matches Cameron's 2015 lead but with more Tory seats likely in Scotland
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572
    Cyclefree said:

    Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.

    I don’t honestly know the answer. I have always thought - and said on here - that I expected Labour to do better, the Tories worse than they both thought and for the Lib Dems not to do as well as they might once have hoped. Another hung Parliament is a very real possibility.
    I will suggest three reasons:-
    1. There is not much in the Tory manifesto. No eye-catching retail offer. Something towards students / the young should have been included.
    2. For all the talk about people disliking Corbyn etc I think a lot of Labour voters are able somehow to disassociate voting Labour with supporting Corbyn. So they feel able to be as rude about Corbyn as possible but still tick the Labour box.
    3. The Tories really have not attacked the Labour manifesto - it’s unaffordability, the cost, the unintended consequences, its authoritarianism (a state owned internet, FFS! - like Iran or China). They are - much like May- letting Labour’s manifesto go by default. Where the hell is the Tory treasury team, for instance?
    And the Tories overestimated Bozo’s potential popularity as a campaigner. His glory days are gone (yet note how often Bozo himself tries to refer back to his mayoral days when interviewed); both his personal and political reputations are now tarnished, and he is marmite rather than honey. Marmite means that a proportion of those who haven’t thought much about him will dislike him when forced to take a taste.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2019
    Ok, own up, which one of you was it?
    https://twitter.com/martinboon/status/1199267891385905152
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,723

    Thanks Aaron.

    Looks like you are putting a few shifts in. However, I think you'd probably win if you sat with your feet up for a month!

    Don't listen to these tempting siren voices, Aaron!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,723
    Why would the Tory manifesto deal with Labour's anti-semitism problems, Mr. Corbyn?
  • Do you point out that 'Get Brexit Done' isn't just the Withdrawal Agreement, but also involves getting a Free Trade Agreement in less than a year or crashing out with No Deal?
  • My wife has just walked out of our lounge saying she cannot take anymore from Corbyn on his press conference

    He disgusts her
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,238

    I have a theory about that, encompassing both Boris and Jo Swinson. I've not had time to research it yet though.

    Basically, David Cameron's mum was right. And so was Kate Hoey, and pb's very own TSE, who wrote a header on this.

    Neither Boris nor Jo Swinson look the part.

    Interesting theory. One would hope that we're all a bit less shallow than that, but I've heard exactly the same argument advanced about the Milibands.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    For instance, re the WASPI payment, McDonnell is saying that this is not costed because this is some sort of contingency payment - similar to paying compensation after a court order. Setting aside the obvious nonsense in that statement, why has no-one pointed out that according to the Treasury’s own report for 2017-2018 -
    “The total cash supply expenditure authorised for 2016-17 was £479,543,120,000 (2015-16: £474,091,620,000) and accordingly the maximum capital, including the permanent capital, available to the Contingencies Fund in 2017-18 was £9,590,862,000 (2016-17: £9,481,832,000).”.
    Nowhere near the £58 billion McDonnell is proposing to spend and doesn’t even allow for other contingencies.
    The full report can be found here - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719821/Contingencies_Fund_2017-18.pdf.
    Took me all of 5 minutes to find this. What the the hell is the Tory campaign doing? Or journalists for that matter?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,446
    On the Conservative manifesto, Brexit we are told will be done by the end of 2020. That leaves three and a bit years to re-energise the Greatness of Great Britain, but an empty* manifesto suggests the Tories have no ideas of what to do. Brexit is the plan.

    * I'm exaggerating, but it seems to be the main talking point in the media and most voters won't even look at it.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2019
    Back in 2016 I theorised on here about how Trump could win (despite thinking he could not).
    The main thing I raised was that the Trump vote had the potential to be incredibly efficient, and get just enough across the rust belt (plus existing states) to inch him over the line.
    Conversely the Dem vote was going to be horribly inefficient even if Clinton won.
    With a massive overweight California delivering lots of popular vote but no extra electoral college votes.

    I wish I had bet on such accurate an penetrative insight.

    So, here is my musing in 2019 and how the Cons avoid getting an easy majority.
    Is the Con surge to 42%ish predicated entirely on Brexit party candidates standing down in Con seats. Are we about to see Con rack up massive majorities in seats they already hold and Labour just hang on in everything they are defending?
    This is why the YouGov MRP is so important for understanding what is happening.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,440
    edited November 2019
    Cummings/Crosby minion from CCHQ

    "Right it's going well but Labour's attempts to buy votes look like they might be working"
    "Anyone got a plan ?"
    "Michael, can you"
    "I know what to do, leave it to me"
  • Cyclefree said:

    For instance, re the WASPI payment, McDonnell is saying that this is not costed because this is some sort of contingency payment - similar to paying compensation after a court order. Setting aside the obvious nonsense in that statement, why has no-one pointed out that according to the Treasury’s own report for 2017-2018 -
    “The total cash supply expenditure authorised for 2016-17 was £479,543,120,000 (2015-16: £474,091,620,000) and accordingly the maximum capital, including the permanent capital, available to the Contingencies Fund in 2017-18 was £9,590,862,000 (2016-17: £9,481,832,000).”.
    Nowhere near the £58 billion McDonnell is proposing to spend and doesn’t even allow for other contingencies.
    The full report can be found here - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719821/Contingencies_Fund_2017-18.pdf.
    Took me all of 5 minutes to find this. What the the hell is the Tory campaign doing? Or journalists for that matter?

    I have no idea why Corbyn and McDonnell are getting a free pass on this
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Alistair said:

    Back in 2016 I theorised on here about how Trump could win (despite thinking he could not).
    The main thing I raised was that the Trump vote had the potential to be incredibly efficient, and get just enough across the rust belt (plus existing states) to inch him over the line.
    Conversely the Dem vote was going to be horribly inefficient even if Clinton won.
    With a massive overweight California delivering lots of popular vote but no extra electoral college votes.

    I wish I had bet on such accurate an penetrative insight.

    So, here is my musing in 2019 and how the Cons avoid getting an easy majority.
    Is the Con surge to 42%ish predicated entirely on Brexit party candidates standing down in Con seats. Are we about to see Con rack up massive majorities in seats they already hold and Labour just hang on in everything they are defending?
    This is why the YouGov MRP is so important for understanding what is happening.

    In Tory seats Brexit Party voters tend to be Tory, in Labour seats Brexit Party voters tend to be Labour, see the Workington and Grimsby polls
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 9,946
    Dawn Butler saying it's all a plot, fake news and lies to divide
  • camelcamel Posts: 815

    My wife has just walked out of our lounge saying she cannot take anymore from Corbyn on his press conference

    He disgusts her

    As a loving husband, the correct response is to switch over to bargain hunt.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Bread sauce on 11% is a travesty.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    Best of British luck, Aaron
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    IanB2 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.

    I don’t honestly know the answer. I have always thought - and said on here - that I expected Labour to do better, the Tories worse than they both thought and for the Lib Dems not to do as well as they might once have hoped. Another hung Parliament is a very real possibility.
    I will suggest three reasons:-
    1. There is not much in the Tory manifesto. No eye-catching retail offer. Something towards students / the young should have been included.
    2. For all the talk about people disliking Corbyn etc I think a lot of Labour voters are able somehow to disassociate voting Labour with supporting Corbyn. So they feel able to be as rude about Corbyn as possible but still tick the Labour box.
    3. The Tories really have not attacked the Labour manifesto - it’s unaffordability, the cost, the unintended consequences, its authoritarianism (a state owned internet, FFS! - like Iran or China). They are - much like May- letting Labour’s manifesto go by default. Where the hell is the Tory treasury team, for instance?
    And the Tories overestimated Bozo’s potential popularity as a campaigner. His glory days are gone (yet note how often Bozo himself tries to refer back to his mayoral days when interviewed); both his personal and political reputations are now tarnished, and he is marmite rather than honey. Marmite means that a proportion of those who haven’t thought much about him will dislike him when forced to take a taste.
    The Tories are up 10 to 20% in the polls since the Spring thanks to Boris
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited November 2019
    Thanks all. As you can see from the headline I have not lost my love of terrible puns which so many of you share.
    You might also enjoy Michael Crick’s piece for Mail+ this morning. It is a bit daunting when Mr Crick suddenly turns up in your constituency and wants an interview with 30 minutes’ notice!
    https://www.mailplus.co.uk/tv/the-michael-crick-report/665/how-brexit-and-corbyn-could-cost-labour-a-seat-it-has-held-for-100-years
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Instead of hoping it's not the case, might people be interested in addressing the fairly obvious dent in the tories' lead in the last week? Why? Why? Why?

    Is it the student issue? WASPI? Johnson's frankly rubbish performances in front of camera?

    Or just Labour coming home?

    What's it all about?

    I think we should be told.

    The reason I'm asking this is because this could be nothing more than a blip. Or it could be the beginning of the end of the Conservatives. Or something in between.

    I don’t honestly know the answer. I have always thought - and said on here - that I expected Labour to do better, the Tories worse than they both thought and for the Lib Dems not to do as well as they might once have hoped. Another hung Parliament is a very real possibility.
    I will suggest three reasons:-
    1. There is not much in the Tory manifesto. No eye-catching retail offer. Something towards students / the young should have been included.
    2. For all the talk about people disliking Corbyn etc I think a lot of Labour voters are able somehow to disassociate voting Labour with supporting Corbyn. So they feel able to be as rude about Corbyn as possible but still tick the Labour box.
    3. The Tories really have not attacked the Labour manifesto - it’s unaffordability, the cost, the unintended consequences, its authoritarianism (a state owned internet, FFS! - like Iran or China). They are - much like May- letting Labour’s manifesto go by default. Where the hell is the Tory treasury team, for instance?
    Rubbish, the Tories manifesto offers plenty on new affordable housing if you bothered to read it and the Tories provided plenty of attack ads on Labour's gift tax and tax rises on social media unlike 2017
    I have read it. How are ex-students paying a 6% interest rate on debt plus having to pay rent able to save the deposit for even affordable housing. The gift tax is not in the Labour manifesto.
    The Tories are far too invisible. You may not like hearing it but the Tories are simply not ruthless enough and far too complacent and there is plenty in Labour’s manifesto which is superficially attractive eg making sure that rented accommodation is fit for the purpose, for instance.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,446
    @Alistair - the other thing to look out for in the YouGov MRP is how efficiently the Labour/Lib Dem vote splits. Same national vote shares could have a very different outcome.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,465
    Thanks for the interesting piece, Aaron!
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    Is the new Vanilla format someone's idea of an 'upgrade', or is it a fault?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,446
    camel said:

    My wife has just walked out of our lounge saying she cannot take anymore from Corbyn on his press conference

    He disgusts her

    As a loving husband, the correct response is to switch over to bargain hunt.
    Christ no, at least find Pointless on iPlayer or something.
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