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PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

I have just seen Ed Davey give Adam Boulton the best interview of the campaign on Sky news. He ripped Boris a new a**hole and this interview should be played again and again for voters of all persuasions. In a couple of minutes it exposes precisely why Boris is unfit for public office.

Delighted that, at last, someone is not holding back on calling him a liar and shyster.

Just had a bet on Davey losing his seat.

You must have money to burn. The bookies will be delighted. Davey is the safest hold in the LD book. I am not a 'all LD seats are safe' poster, but if Kingston falls so will every other LD seat - and I say that from Surrey and knowing that seat. In Richmond the latest YouGov analysis puts the LDs 20% ahead - and Kingston is safer.

Tory canvas returns are strong here and next door in Carshalton and Wallington. This is not going to be a good election for the Lib Dems.

I appreciate the troll machine is on full power but you do lose credibility by posting such utter rubbish.

Well you have had the heads up.I don't care whether you pay heed or not.

I suggest you return to the easier tasks set by your masters. No one in this part of the world would be so stupid as to believe that nonsense. I suggest you focus on Wimbledon, which you may have a chance of holding if you can prevent enough Labour supporters voting tactically.

I think you are over invested emotionally in this.I have never voted Tory in my life so just reacting to what I am hearing. Carshalton is very different from Wimbledon.These seats are not behaving the same.

You have never voted Tory, but you have access to/knowledge of Tory canvas returns?

Just had a bet on Davey losing his seat.

You must have money to burn. The bookies will be delighted. Davey is the safest hold in the LD book. I am not a 'all LD seats are safe' poster, but if Kingston falls so will every other LD seat - and I say that from Surrey and knowing that seat. In Richmond the latest YouGov analysis puts the LDs 20% ahead - and Kingston is safer.

Tory canvas returns are strong here and next door in Carshalton and Wallington. This is not going to be a good election for the Lib Dems.

I appreciate the troll machine is on full power but you do lose credibility by posting such utter rubbish.

Well you have had the heads up.I don't care whether you pay heed or not.

I suggest you return to the easier tasks set by your masters. No one in this part of the world would be so stupid as to believe that nonsense. I suggest you focus on Wimbledon, which you may have a chance of holding if you can prevent enough Labour supporters voting tactically.

I think you are over invested emotionally in this.I have never voted Tory in my life so just reacting to what I am hearing. Carshalton is very different from Wimbledon.These seats are not behaving the same.

You are wrong. I regularly voted Conservative when living in Chichester (as Andrew Tyrie was possibly the best MP in the last 50 years). However, if you are not acting as a troll I suggest you take what you hear with a pinch of salt. Conservative canvassers (like canvassers of all parties) are utterly unreliable.

It is true that Carshalton is different to Wimbledon, but it is also different to Kingston - where you claimed to have put a bet on the LDs losing. If you did that (and we still await sight of the betting slip) on the basis of party gossip in Carshalton I can only suggest you steer clear of betting in future.

For what it is worth I expect a LD landslide in Kingston, a hold in Carshalton and a Conservative majority of 2-3000 in Wimbledon.

I don't need to stay away from betting as I bet with my Trump winnings when I got on at 60 to 1 when he first announced he was standing for the Republican nomination.

SandyRentool said:

Sandpit said:

The transport infrastructure section is crap, it wouldn’t have been too difficult to say that in the post-Brexit environment we need to get Britain moving, and we commit fully to completing LHR3 and HS2 at the earliest opportunity.

It would be a challenge for Bozo to drive the bulldozer while simultaneously lying down in front of it.

Or is that just another Bozo lie?

Whatever the Tory manifesto says, we all know HS2 is going ahead as is LHR3. We all know Brexit can’t be sorted in the next few months and we all know there are plenty of ways of increasing taxation without raising the headline rate.

We should concentrate on trying to find something in the Tory manifesto of worth that might actually be true.

logical_song said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Philip_Thompson said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1198611842899288064

There's absolutely no way.

Of course there's a way.

You lot were convinced there was no way he could renegotiate the deal. He got it done in a couple of weeks.

There's no need to drag this out forever.

I'm sorry, there is simply no parallel between the WA and the FTA. Nobody who has any expertise in this area believes this can be done in 11 months (and it's really less than half that time). I don't know if you genuinely believe this or are just propagandising, but read what people like Ivan Rogers have written about this. There is real concern about this in the markets, it's a massive risk for next year.

"UK could crash out of EU with no-deal Brexit if Boris Johnson wins election, Michael Gove admits"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-brexit-no-deal-boris-johnson-michael-gove-a9185381.html

Why is that news? The only way the UK could not potentially "crash out" is to either revoke Article 50 or take no deal off the table. Is anyone in the country in any doubt that the tories oppose each of these options?

Peter_the_Punter said:

Jason said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1198645109648166912

Ouch

There is one notable policy - Brexit. It's the elephant in the room for the LDs and Labour, especially Labour. The Tories had a commanding lead in the polls before their manifesto was even released - that ought to tell you something.

It does. It tells us a lot of people expect Brexit to make things very much better.

Or just want politics largely out of their lives for 5 years.

alex_ said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Jason said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1198645109648166912

Ouch

There is one notable policy - Brexit. It's the elephant in the room for the LDs and Labour, especially Labour. The Tories had a commanding lead in the polls before their manifesto was even released - that ought to tell you something.

It does. It tells us a lot of people expect Brexit to make things very much better.

Or just want politics largely out of their lives for 5 years.

Yes, many who voted for it now just want to see the back of it, whatever the consequences.

ydoethur said:

You mean, it has not been done for a very long time. Victoria, for example, exercised the long dormant royal prerogative to appoint a PM without seeking ministerial advice in 1894.

I think Lady Hale went some way to providing a mechanism with the justification for the notorious Supreme Court decision. The assertion, which no one ever doubted was in part that the King could not undo by prerogative what had been done by Act of Parliament. Really I don't think that was in doubt. But the fallacy is then to extend the specific into the general. It does not mean the Queen in Parliament cannot restore the prerogative if they are so minded.

There is another more serious point that will need to be tidied up as well. We found ourselves with a parliament which in effect looked as if it could have run on to 2022 against the clear will of the Executive and apparently could have extended itself for ever, just like the Long Parliament. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Civil War, giving the Commons the power to extend themselves for ever turned out to be the single dumbest thing Charles I did. The balances in the Bill of Rights were right and the FTPA's single most heinous defect was over-riding that. Restore the absolute right of the Executive to prerogue and end a parliament. The ballot box will provide the decision as to whether the executive acted rightly.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

TimT said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1198645109648166912

Ouch

Should not be an 'ouch' to true conservatives - limiting change (conserving what is) is what conservatism is.

Brexit is by far the most radical and revolutionary policy of my lifetime. There is nothing conservative about this Conservative Party.

I always find it interesting this contradiction. The Conservative Party should be opposed to something as uncertain as Brexit, which is why Cameron resigned.

Unless, of course, one adopts the attitude that turning Parliament, to a very large extent, into an implementation body for legislation decided at a supernational level was the revolutionary act. In which case Brexit is a counter-revolution.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1198649033037926406

Hmmm

Hmmm not leading at all. Nope.

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1198642891465334786

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Floater said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

The reality for Remainers is, if you want to stop Brexit you need Labour MPs to help you.

Their decision will be: do they hate the idea of a hard Brexit more or less than Labour being propped up by the Lib Dems.

Remainers should vote Lib DEm

Because your party is going to renegotiate a superb new deal which the public might vote to accept.

Plus keeping you lot out retains some level of economic sanity.

I am voting Lib Dem in my seat yes. To stop the Tories.

I'm voting Tory to stop the Lib Dems

JBriskinindyref2 said:

Sorry was watching Scottish super Sunday - I ll have more than enough wings from my under 50.5 to pay milky his well earned quid

I regret not putting more on the under. I've rebacked at the lowered line of under 47.5

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/labourpress/status/1198652841818243085

We love the IFS now!

Whereas it merely describes your mob as dishonest and not credible.

Actually, tbh the IFS said much the same things about both parties in 2017 and it seemed to make little difference.

roserees64 said:

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

You're an optimist. Could be the last one any Party wins for a very long time. Banana Republics are not famous for their love of democracy.

PrinceofTaranto said:

alex_ said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

I have just seen Ed Davey give Adam Boulton the best interview of the campaign on Sky news. He ripped Boris a new a**hole and this interview should be played again and again for voters of all persuasions. In a couple of minutes it exposes precisely why Boris is unfit for public office.

Delighted that, at last, someone is not holding back on calling him a liar and shyster.

Just had a bet on Davey losing his seat.

You must have money to burn. The bookies will be delighted. Davey is the safest hold in the LD book. I am not a 'all LD seats are safe' poster, but if Kingston falls so will every other LD seat - and I say that from Surrey and knowing that seat. In Richmond the latest YouGov analysis puts the LDs 20% ahead - and Kingston is safer.

Tory canvas returns are strong here and next door in Carshalton and Wallington. This is not going to be a good election for the Lib Dems.

I appreciate the troll machine is on full power but you do lose credibility by posting such utter rubbish.

Well you have had the heads up.I don't care whether you pay heed or not.

I suggest you return to the easier tasks set by your masters. No one in this part of the world would be so stupid as to believe that nonsense. I suggest you focus on Wimbledon, which you may have a chance of holding if you can prevent enough Labour supporters voting tactically.

I think you are over invested emotionally in this.I have never voted Tory in my life so just reacting to what I am hearing. Carshalton is very different from Wimbledon.These seats are not behaving the same.

You have never voted Tory, but you have access to/knowledge of Tory canvas returns?

Yes I talk to people about what is happening on the ground ,don't you?

No, i don't know any party activists. What do the LibDem and Labour canvas returns say?

alex_ said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alex_ said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

PrinceofTaranto said:

alb1on said:

I have just seen Ed Davey give Adam Boulton the best interview of the campaign on Sky news. He ripped Boris a new a**hole and this interview should be played again and again for voters of all persuasions. In a couple of minutes it exposes precisely why Boris is unfit for public office.

Delighted that, at last, someone is not holding back on calling him a liar and shyster.

Just had a bet on Davey losing his seat.

You must have money to burn. The bookies will be delighted. Davey is the safest hold in the LD book. I am not a 'all LD seats are safe' poster, but if Kingston falls so will every other LD seat - and I say that from Surrey and knowing that seat. In Richmond the latest YouGov analysis puts the LDs 20% ahead - and Kingston is safer.

Tory canvas returns are strong here and next door in Carshalton and Wallington. This is not going to be a good election for the Lib Dems.

I appreciate the troll machine is on full power but you do lose credibility by posting such utter rubbish.

Well you have had the heads up.I don't care whether you pay heed or not.

I suggest you return to the easier tasks set by your masters. No one in this part of the world would be so stupid as to believe that nonsense. I suggest you focus on Wimbledon, which you may have a chance of holding if you can prevent enough Labour supporters voting tactically.

I think you are over invested emotionally in this.I have never voted Tory in my life so just reacting to what I am hearing. Carshalton is very different from Wimbledon.These seats are not behaving the same.

You have never voted Tory, but you have access to/knowledge of Tory canvas returns?

Yes I talk to people about what is happening on the ground ,don't you?

No, i don't know any party activists. What do the LibDem and Labour canvas returns say?

As I have said as a general comment ,this is not going to be a good election for the Lib Dems.

Peter_the_Punter said:

TimT said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1198645109648166912

Ouch

Should not be an 'ouch' to true conservatives - limiting change (conserving what is) is what conservatism is.

Brexit is by far the most radical and revolutionary policy of my lifetime. There is nothing conservative about this Conservative Party.

Good. Though it sounds like you're being critical, that is good news. Since when has the Conservative Party been petrified of making some radical policies where necessary? Every good Tory PM of my lifetime has been radical and revolutionary when necessary.

Thatcher - Do I need to expand on this? Her name is synonymous with radical and revolutionary.
Cameron - Equal marriage, bringing the country back from the brink of bankruptcy after Brown, holding the referendum in the first place.

Major was OK but not great, he was weak and pretty useless post Black Wednesday and led to the worst election drubbing ever.
May was neither radical nor revolutionary and she was a pathetic, dismal failure.

If Boris is going to be like Cameron/Thatcher in being confident to take the country forward rather than follow the path of worst PM ever Theresa May then that is good news is it not?

I'm not old enough to have been alive under any other Tory PMs but being radical and revolutionary at the right times has been a strength not a weakness for many.

TimT said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

TimT said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1198645109648166912

Ouch

Should not be an 'ouch' to true conservatives - limiting change (conserving what is) is what conservatism is.

Brexit is by far the most radical and revolutionary policy of my lifetime. There is nothing conservative about this Conservative Party.

I was talking about the manifesto. And there is something conservative in a democracy about respecting the will of the people, however well worn that phrase is in relation to Brexit

TimT said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

TimT said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1198645109648166912

Ouch

Should not be an 'ouch' to true conservatives - limiting change (conserving what is) is what conservatism is.

Brexit is by far the most radical and revolutionary policy of my lifetime. There is nothing conservative about this Conservative Party.

I was talking about the manifesto. And there is something conservative in a democracy about respecting the will of the people, however well worn that phrase is in relation to Brexit

Come on Tim, you're referring to Direct Democracy. We have a Parliamentary Democracy, same as you. I surely don't need to point that out to you?

JBriskinindyref2 said:

Shame TSE spinning for the separatists now - this poll puts them on the same poll number they ve been getting for a decade - hardly great news for a party that needs 50pc+1

You did see that Yes was on 49% in the same poll?

Another good day for Manchester Utd

Peter_the_Punter said:

Black_Rook said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

TimT said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1198645109648166912

Ouch

Should not be an 'ouch' to true conservatives - limiting change (conserving what is) is what conservatism is.

Brexit is by far the most radical and revolutionary policy of my lifetime. There is nothing conservative about this Conservative Party.

I always find it interesting this contradiction. The Conservative Party should be opposed to something as uncertain as Brexit, which is why Cameron resigned.

Unless, of course, one adopts the attitude that turning Parliament, to a very large extent, into an implementation body for legislation decided at a supernational level was the revolutionary act. In which case Brexit is a counter-revolution.

Tortuous, BR, but full marks for effort.

We aim to please.

viewcode said:

TimT said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1198645109648166912

Ouch

Should not be an 'ouch' to true conservatives - limiting change (conserving what is) is what conservatism is.

That may well be what conservatism is, but that is not what the British Conservative Party is. Of all the parties it is the least wedded to principles, which is part of its strength. You don't get to be a major political force for over a century by consistency .

The Conservatives have won over 30% of the popular vote at every UK General Election since 1835. They've only lasted this long by adapting to survive.

Philip_Thompson said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

roserees64 said:

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

Easy, Labour left them with an eye-watering deficit in 2010

No, the GFC left us with a massive defecit. Or do you think it was Labour's fault?

Yes.

It is Labour's fault it was overspending before the recession hit. Recessions happen - there was no reason to be running a major deficit after nearly two decades of uninterrupted growth. A recession was long overdue, under Keynesian economics which Labour was supposed to understand they should have been running a budget surplus but instead they were running a maxed out deficit.

Had the country had a small surplus going into the GFC then we could have absorbed the shock. We didn't.

Old argument. Nothing the Tories were advocating at the time would have made things any better.

Imagine if in, say, 1999, you had predicted that Campbell would be campaigning for the LibDems in a few years time:

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1198613073608814593

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/1198627791731929091

Labour will appreciate this analysis. They love the IFS now!

The advantage of the Tories going second: the IFS gives Labour both barrels for their crazy manifesto, Labour turns their fire on the IFS, which makes it pretty hard to claim the IFS is awesome when they criticize the Tories the next day!

Casino_Royale said:

Hang on, I thought the criticism from the IFS was of fiscal incontinence for both of the mainstream parties vying for office, with Labour totally off the scale but for the Tories too spending commitments like they'd never seen before?

But now are we to believe that the main IFS criticism is that the Tory manifesto isn't spending enough and is just a bit boring?

They have to be cautious. After all, the WASPI women could win their appeal!

Banterman said:

alex_ said:

Another good day for Manchester Utd

Any time Phil Jones starts, the opposition are pretty much guaranteed a win.

I'm going to amend what I said at the end of the last thread.

Tories = Liverpool
Labour = Tottenham Man Utd

Lib Dems = Altrincham Stanley.

Philip_Thompson said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

TimT said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1198645109648166912

Ouch

Should not be an 'ouch' to true conservatives - limiting change (conserving what is) is what conservatism is.

Brexit is by far the most radical and revolutionary policy of my lifetime. There is nothing conservative about this Conservative Party.

Good. Though it sounds like you're being critical, that is good news. Since when has the Conservative Party been petrified of making some radical policies where necessary? Every good Tory PM of my lifetime has been radical and revolutionary when necessary.

Thatcher - Do I need to expand on this? Her name is synonymous with radical and revolutionary.
Cameron - Equal marriage, bringing the country back from the brink of bankruptcy after Brown, holding the referendum in the first place.

Major was OK but not great, he was weak and pretty useless post Black Wednesday and led to the worst election drubbing ever.
May was neither radical nor revolutionary and she was a pathetic, dismal failure.

If Boris is going to be like Cameron/Thatcher in being confident to take the country forward rather than follow the path of worst PM ever Theresa May then that is good news is it not?

I'm not old enough to have been alive under any other Tory PMs but being radical and revolutionary at the right times has been a strength not a weakness for many.

Regarding conservatism, neither critical nor approving, Philip - just factual.

I go back to Atlee, who was pretty radical, so yes, I agree, radicalism can be positive or negative. Depends on the policy, the circumstances, and the options.

Brexit is radical alright, and the stupidest policy any government has tried to implement in my lifetime, but if you haven't worked that out yet, can't help you.

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Philip_Thompson said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

roserees64 said:

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

Easy, Labour left them with an eye-watering deficit in 2010

No, the GFC left us with a massive defecit. Or do you think it was Labour's fault?

Yes.

It is Labour's fault it was overspending before the recession hit. Recessions happen - there was no reason to be running a major deficit after nearly two decades of uninterrupted growth. A recession was long overdue, under Keynesian economics which Labour was supposed to understand they should have been running a budget surplus but instead they were running a maxed out deficit.

Had the country had a small surplus going into the GFC then we could have absorbed the shock. We didn't.

The Tories backed Labour's spending plans. Are you really going to sit here and tell me we'd have had no recession or deficit with them in power? Come on.

Not in 2005.

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Frankly I don't give a damn what you think. I come on this site fairly irregularly to give people a heads up on pieces of info I come across.A few people who followed my advice to get on Trump based on early Florida voting results I pointed out made some money in 2016.(I was on Trump at 60 to 1 when he first put his name forward for the Republican nomination for what it's worth).
I also highlighted heavy leave voting around the estates in South East London where I canvassed in the EU referendum was pointing to a Leave win even though the polls said otherwise. Take it or leave it.

roserees64 said:

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

You don't really understand economics do you? If you are in overdraft, your overdraft keeps rising with interest payments until you actually lodge more money in your account than comes out of it. Thanks to Gordon Brown who blew all the surpluses during the Blair years, until Javid achieves a balanced budget providing surpluses, the actual debt (not deficit) will continue to rise. However if it rises more slowly than growth of GDP, the ratio debt to GDP will fall.

Philip_Thompson said:

IanB2 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

roserees64 said:

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

Easy, Labour left them with an eye-watering deficit in 2010

No, the GFC left us with a massive defecit. Or do you think it was Labour's fault?

Yes.

It is Labour's fault it was overspending before the recession hit. Recessions happen - there was no reason to be running a major deficit after nearly two decades of uninterrupted growth. A recession was long overdue, under Keynesian economics which Labour was supposed to understand they should have been running a budget surplus but instead they were running a maxed out deficit.

Had the country had a small surplus going into the GFC then we could have absorbed the shock. We didn't.

Old argument. Nothing the Tories were advocating at the time would have made things any better.

The Tories weren't in government, Labour were. Labour overspent as they always do. Problem with Labour is they always run out of other people's money.

And you’re going to run out of other people’s money paying for Brexit.

Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

Imagine if in, say, 1999, you had predicted that Campbell would be campaigning for the LibDems in a few years time:

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1198613073608814593

Apparently Luciana Berger goes down quite well with the electorate in Finchley and Golders Green, but she's not thought likely to win. Too many voters adopt the attitude that one less Tory MP equals a slightly increased chance of a Corbyn-led Government.

And they'd be right. She's the candidate I feel most sorry for, since she deserves to win as a standing rebuke to Labour's antisemitism, but every single Tory MP counts in this election.

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

IanB2 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

roserees64 said:

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

Easy, Labour left them with an eye-watering deficit in 2010

No, the GFC left us with a massive defecit. Or do you think it was Labour's fault?

Yes.

It is Labour's fault it was overspending before the recession hit. Recessions happen - there was no reason to be running a major deficit after nearly two decades of uninterrupted growth. A recession was long overdue, under Keynesian economics which Labour was supposed to understand they should have been running a budget surplus but instead they were running a maxed out deficit.

Had the country had a small surplus going into the GFC then we could have absorbed the shock. We didn't.

Old argument. Nothing the Tories were advocating at the time would have made things any better.

The Tories weren't in government, Labour were. Labour overspent as they always do. Problem with Labour is they always run out of other people's money.

And you’re going to run out of other people’s money paying for Brexit.

Evidence please

Black_Rook said:

rottenborough said:

Imagine if in, say, 1999, you had predicted that Campbell would be campaigning for the LibDems in a few years time:

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1198613073608814593

Apparently Luciana Berger goes down quite well with the electorate in Finchley and Golders Green, but she's not thought likely to win. Too many voters adopt the attitude that one less Tory MP equals a slightly increased chance of a Corbyn-led Government.

Is she the one from Liverpool that Tim formerly of this parish got on well with?

God only knows what he makes of Labour now

CorrectHorseBattery said:

MaxPB said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

Philip_Thompson said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

roserees64 said:

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

Easy, Labour left them with an eye-watering deficit in 2010

No, the GFC left us with a massive defecit. Or do you think it was Labour's fault?

Yes.

It is Labour's fault it was overspending before the recession hit. Recessions happen - there was no reason to be running a major deficit after nearly two decades of uninterrupted growth. A recession was long overdue, under Keynesian economics which Labour was supposed to understand they should have been running a budget surplus but instead they were running a maxed out deficit.

Had the country had a small surplus going into the GFC then we could have absorbed the shock. We didn't.

The Tories backed Labour's spending plans. Are you really going to sit here and tell me we'd have had no recession or deficit with them in power? Come on.

Not in 2005.

No you're right, in 2007.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm

Labour backed the Tories’ policies over the ERM. Indeed, Brown was angry that we withdrew from it! Does that give the Tories a free pass for Black Wednesday? Absolutely not.

When a party is in government and epically screws up, it does not matter what the opposition would or would not have done.

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

IanB2 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

roserees64 said:

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

Easy, Labour left them with an eye-watering deficit in 2010

No, the GFC left us with a massive defecit. Or do you think it was Labour's fault?

Yes.

It is Labour's fault it was overspending before the recession hit. Recessions happen - there was no reason to be running a major deficit after nearly two decades of uninterrupted growth. A recession was long overdue, under Keynesian economics which Labour was supposed to understand they should have been running a budget surplus but instead they were running a maxed out deficit.

Had the country had a small surplus going into the GFC then we could have absorbed the shock. We didn't.

Old argument. Nothing the Tories were advocating at the time would have made things any better.

The Tories weren't in government, Labour were. Labour overspent as they always do. Problem with Labour is they always run out of other people's money.

And you’re going to run out of other people’s money paying for Brexit.

Evidence please

Evidence of what? We are still running a deficit and Brexit is going to result in less tax money and less growth. Simple. Other people’s money.

The latest UK-Elect forecast (taking account of updated Scottish and other polls) is for a Conservative majority of 78 - Con 363 Lab 194 SNP 44 LD 25

The forecast is here:
UK-Elect Forecast November 24 2019

Details as CSV file are here:

UK-Elect Forecast Details November 24 2019

Morris_Dancer said:

What is the meaning of his 'Phil Jones' to whom you refer?

Edited extra bit: *this, even.

He plays for Manchester United, he's the Luca Badoer of defenders.

Basically, there’s nothing new or noteworthy in the Tory manifesto and we’ll have forgotten about it in 24 hours. It just reinforces the lines to date. That’s mission accomplished isn’t it?

Gallowgate said:

Floater said:

Gallowgate said:

Philip_Thompson said:

IanB2 said:

Philip_Thompson said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

RobD said:

roserees64 said:

Javid and Johnson today trumpeted the fiscal prudence of the Tories. How therefore do they explain how our national debt has now risen to £2.27 trillion and will continue to rise with a hard Brexit and a lack of new tax raising measures.

If the Tories win this election it could be the last one they will win.

Easy, Labour left them with an eye-watering deficit in 2010

No, the GFC left us with a massive defecit. Or do you think it was Labour's fault?

Yes.

It is Labour's fault it was overspending before the recession hit. Recessions happen - there was no reason to be running a major deficit after nearly two decades of uninterrupted growth. A recession was long overdue, under Keynesian economics which Labour was supposed to understand they should have been running a budget surplus but instead they were running a maxed out deficit.

Had the country had a small surplus going into the GFC then we could have absorbed the shock. We didn't.

Old argument. Nothing the Tories were advocating at the time would have made things any better.

The Tories weren't in government, Labour were. Labour overspent as they always do. Problem with Labour is they always run out of other people's money.

And you’re going to run out of other people’s money paying for Brexit.

Evidence please

Evidence of what? We are still running a deficit and Brexit is going to result in less tax money and less growth. Simple. Other people’s money.

So, if your concerned about a deficit you clearly will reject Labour?

Still waiting for evidence