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edited November 2019 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » If this polling turns out to be accurate then it is great news for the SNP and Boris Johnson

A poll graphic with a range of exciting facial expressions on our party leaders? Ok, seeing as it’s you pic.twitter.com/ASI9ckwxXn

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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    edited November 2019
    Bozo lying from the podium.

    Edit: Not second!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Second :(
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492
    Tories to lose Stirling to the SNP I assume.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Couldn't get a first because the comment box wasn't appearing on the main page. Outrageous!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    SLAB or Panda Bears?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492
    Oven-ready for a strong and stable government that gets Brexit done.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    World's smallest violin on standby ;)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If 40% is a mandate for Bozo's Brexit deal then it should be sufficient for Indyref2.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,696
    This would be a pretty amazing result for Bozza. There's potential that we could see the Tories gain more seats and get ~30% of the vote.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,404
    Johnson is on form in this launch. He's not said a lot of great importance, but he's upbeat and funny.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Carbon neutral by 2050 and Corbyn neutral by Christmas, lol
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,193
    Bojo: "Nightmare on Downing Street" Nice one
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1198607851188609024?s=20
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005
    I'm amazed he said 'coalition of chaos'.

    Was he trolling Cammo?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1198608773079863296?s=20
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,916
    'Only the myopic would say this is a bad result for the SNP because they fail to hit the dizzying heights of 2015'

    Paging HYUFD Magoo.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,404
    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If the SNP are in power in Scotland I would argue that gives them the mandate for a second referendum. If people don't want that then they can vote for other parties.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    edited November 2019
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1198607851188609024?s=20

    Good.

    The Tories are not going to beat Labour in the spending game anyway.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    SandyRentool said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If 40% is a mandate for Bozo's Brexit deal then it should be sufficient for Indyref2.
    If they got less than half the seats and just over a third of the vote in Scotland then it really wouldn't be.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,696
    SandyRentool said:

    I'm amazed he said 'coalition of chaos'.

    Was he trolling Cammo?

    We're definitely rerunning the 2015 election campaign.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,404
    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If the SNP get enough votes to run Scotland, then that's enough votes to go for a second referendum. The SNP are the Ronseal of politics-if you don't want to run the risk of independence, you shouldn't vote for them.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If the SNP are in power in Scotland I would argue that gives them the mandate for a second referendum. If people don't want that then they can vote for other parties.
    They're arguing that this election will provide that mandate.

    That message has been heard loud and clear by Unionists north of the border.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 692
    I have seen anything in the Conservatives' manifesto yet that will help disabled people other than free parking at hospitals. The Labour Party's manifesto had a whole section on it. It is a shame that some of Labour's better ideas, such as increasing the carer's allowance, were buried under an avalanche of "if it moves, nationalise it" proposals.
  • Time_to_LeaveTime_to_Leave Posts: 2,547
    Casino_Royale said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If 40% is a mandate for Bozo's Brexit deal then it should be sufficient for Indyref2.
    If they got less than half the seats and just over a third of the vote in Scotland then it really wouldn't be.
    They won the last Hollyrood election. They should get a referendum every time they do that if they have the votes. It’s for the Scots to decide whether that gets boring or wasteful.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,916
    Casino_Royale said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If 40% is a mandate for Bozo's Brexit deal then it should be sufficient for Indyref2.
    If they got less than half the seats and just over a third of the vote in Scotland then it really wouldn't be.
    So if they get more than half the seats and 40% of the vote that's a mandate? Glad we've got that settled.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    Well that is such a surprise
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    I suspect no reason would be enough to convince you to vote Tory. ;)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,696
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    Tbh, we were never going to get your vote so if we did I would be worried about being on the wrong track. Ultimately we can't be all things to all men/women.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855
    Bloomberg about to throw his hat into the ring this afternoon.

    Because what we needed was another non-viable candidate in this race.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/1198611171512848384
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    Unless your planning to re train as a student nurse
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/1198611171512848384

    Is there any proof for this claim?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    FPT - carriers make sense as part of a well-balanced global blue water navy, and well funded land and air forces that can leverage them.

    They risk just becoming expensive tokens without that.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1198609671994707978?s=20
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Time_to_Leave said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If 40% is a mandate for Bozo's Brexit deal then it should be sufficient for Indyref2.
    If they got less than half the seats and just over a third of the vote in Scotland then it really wouldn't be.
    They won the last Hollyrood election. They should get a referendum every time they do that if they have the votes. It’s for the Scots to decide whether that gets boring or wasteful.
    She's arguing for one next year (the next Scottish election isn't until May 2021) and wants to use this general election as a mandate for that.

    She was decidedly lukewarm about a sequel at the last Scottish election in May 2016.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Any boos for journalists yet?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    He’s leaving your generation a couple of trillion better off, by not spending tomorrow’s money today.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,916
    Public service announcement.

    https://twitter.com/HackedOffHugh/status/1198527069770133504?s=20
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958
    RobD said:

    Any boos for journalists yet?

    No
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If 40% is a mandate for Bozo's Brexit deal then it should be sufficient for Indyref2.
    If they got less than half the seats and just over a third of the vote in Scotland then it really wouldn't be.
    So if they get more than half the seats and 40% of the vote that's a mandate? Glad we've got that settled.
    No.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    RobD said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    I suspect no reason would be enough to convince you to vote Tory. ;)
    I might have been swung by a more Cameronite party, I think Clegg might have swung me to the Lib Dems.

    But not this current lot, I really don't like them. I get I'm in a losing battle there (although not with my age group if you believe the polls).
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    MaxPB said:

    This would be a pretty amazing result for Bozza. There's potential that we could see the Tories gain more seats and get ~30% of the vote.

    There are five SNP seats which require a swing of less than 1.4% for the Tories to win, including Pete Wishart's seat.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1198609671994707978?s=20

    So, the Conservatives are remaining fiscally sensible?

    Excellent. Gets my vote.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1198609671994707978?s=20

    So wait, I thought the tories were supposed to be like Labour in terms of spending pledges.

    Just not quite so mental.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492
    "So is the biggest non-Parliamentary influence on the manifesto of all: Dominic Cummings. These provincial voters are the people who were targeted by Vote Leave to deliver the referendum result. Cummings has been light touch during this campaign – barely visible; hidden away: no public appearances, or staff briefings designed to be leaked.

    But his influence is everywhere. Last week’s rejection of a corporation tax cut; the NIC proposal; the absence to date at least of any commitment on inheritance tax…all this is part of a plan to be seen as the real People’s Party. In economic terms, it falls short. In political ones, it seems to be working."

    https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/11/the-conservative-manifesto-launch-cummingisation-continues.html
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,696
    Artist said:

    MaxPB said:

    This would be a pretty amazing result for Bozza. There's potential that we could see the Tories gain more seats and get ~30% of the vote.

    There are five SNP seats which require a swing of less than 1.4% for the Tories to win, including Pete Wishart's seat.
    Indeed, the SNP could conceivably be seeing a lot of the vote increase coming in Labour held seats meaning we might get an SNP -> Con swing elsewhere.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
    Do it - every vote less for La la Labour is a nail in the coffin for this outbreak of marxism
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,484
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1198609671994707978?s=20

    lolz at Labour, leaving £80 billion on the table.....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,492
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    Is that one of the most important things about yourself? I don't define myself according to what age I am, or any of the other group identifiers like race, class, region, etc.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    RobD said:

    Any boos for journalists yet?

    No
    How about abusing females in the room so they leave in tears?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/1198611171512848384

    Is there any proof for this claim?
    Yes, Donald Trump's ratings amongst British voters are so dire they make Corbyn look popular.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
    Do it - every vote less for La la Labour is a nail in the coffin for this outbreak of marxism
    I won't be casting my vote with happiness at all.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Jesus boris absolutely floored by a question about Twitter
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    MarqueeMark said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1198609671994707978?s=20

    lolz at Labour, leaving £80 billion on the table.....
    Which didn't include the pension bribe from last night
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    Andy_JS said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    Is that one of the most important things about yourself? I don't define myself according to what age I am, or any of the other group identifiers like race, class, region, etc.
    In terms of voting, I like to have a party that at least acknowledges that young people exist. There doesn't seem to be anything from the Tories that attempts to do that.

    And why would they bother? We don't vote.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    edited November 2019
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/1198611171512848384

    Is there any proof for this claim?
    Yes, Donald Trump's ratings amongst British voters are so dire they make Corbyn look popular.
    Well yes, but I was interested in the last claim, the claim that it has impact such that it is a gift for Corbyn?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958
    edited November 2019
    Floater said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    RobD said:

    Any boos for journalists yet?

    No
    How about abusing females in the room so they leave in tears?

    Nobody has left the room in tears
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Andy_JS said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    Is that one of the most important things about yourself? I don't define myself according to what age I am, or any of the other group identifiers like race, class, region, etc.
    In terms of voting, I like to have a party that at least acknowledges that young people exist. There doesn't seem to be anything from the Tories that attempts to do that.

    And why would they bother? We don't vote.
    So Labour borrowing madly now which will leave you and future generations saddled with debt is better?

    Give it up
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    One good Tory policy - banning export of plastic waste to non-OECD countries - its a problem in Indonesia where First World plastic to be "recycled" is simply burnt, leading to dioxin levels in eggs only exceeded in Vietnam (Agent Orange).
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,404
    Johnson sank without trace on the fake fact checker. Looked really shifty.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,309
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1198609671994707978?s=20

    Useful. Now all we need is one showing the cost of Brexit versus Remain.
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    Sandpit said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    He’s leaving your generation a couple of trillion better off, by not spending tomorrow’s money today.
    THIS
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    Labour is going to go all in on social care, that seems to be their big attack line. I don't think it's going to work...
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Andy_JS said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    Is that one of the most important things about yourself? I don't define myself according to what age I am, or any of the other group identifiers like race, class, region, etc.
    In terms of voting, I like to have a party that at least acknowledges that young people exist. There doesn't seem to be anything from the Tories that attempts to do that.

    And why would they bother? We don't vote.
    So Labour borrowing madly now which will leave you and future generations saddled with debt is better?

    Give it up
    We can agree to disagree. They haven't got my vote though :)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1198614266091376640?s=20
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Labour is going to go all in on social care, that seems to be their big attack line. I don't think it's going to work...

    When you’re a gerontocracy at the top, these things are perhaps front and centre of thinking....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Yep

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2019/11/23/labour-wants-dismantle-capitalism/

    Got to break a few eggs eh?
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    I, as a one-armed black lesbian, have received no reason to vote Monster Raving Loony. Thanks, Lord Sutch - may you rest in peace.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Labour is going to go all in on social care, that seems to be their big attack line. I don't think it's going to work...

    Making everyone pay £100,000 towards their care, £200,000 for a couple will go down like a lead baloon
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,284
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
    What is the current equivalent of gay marriage? What policy could they offer?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    BannedinnParis said:

    Sandpit said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    He’s leaving your generation a couple of trillion better off, by not spending tomorrow’s money today.
    THIS
    Yes - Labour will make life much more difficult for future generations with this economic vandalism.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,916
    Another mile down the road to Damascus for SLab. Marvellous that Richard Leonard who worked for the GMB when they conspired with Glasgow City Council to shaft low paid women out of hundreds of millions of pounds has now seen the light.

    https://twitter.com/LabourRichard/status/1198367174429233153?s=20
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Labour is going to go all in on social care, that seems to be their big attack line. I don't think it's going to work...

    Making everyone pay £100,000 towards their care, £200,000 for a couple will go down like a lead baloon
    Isn't that more than the tories got slated for in 2017?
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    Fysics_Teacher said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
    What is the current equivalent of gay marriage? What policy could they offer?
    I think scrapping the interest rate on student loans would be something good that would appeal to me for sure.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    You as a young person have no reason to vote Labour. Its our generation that will be paying for the debt Labour runs up.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Andy_JS said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    Is that one of the most important things about yourself? I don't define myself according to what age I am, or any of the other group identifiers like race, class, region, etc.
    In terms of voting, I like to have a party that at least acknowledges that young people exist. There doesn't seem to be anything from the Tories that attempts to do that.

    And why would they bother? We don't vote.
    So Labour borrowing madly now which will leave you and future generations saddled with debt is better?

    Give it up
    We can agree to disagree. They haven't got my vote though :)
    Those with the longest to live would on average suffer the most from a year zero destruction of the economy. The current labour leadership is the most dangerous type of politician as they fervently believe in a utopian ideology.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Theuniondivvie said:

    Another mile down the road to Damascus for SLab. Marvellous that Richard Leonard who worked for the GMB when they conspired with Glasgow City Council to shaft low paid women out of hundreds of millions of pounds has now seen the light.

    https://twitter.com/LabourRichard/status/1198367174429233153?s=20

    Didn't they have their high court case thrown out? I'm not sure why Labour are banging on about there being an injustice...
  • Flashy5Flashy5 Posts: 42
    Casino_Royale said:

    Time_to_Leave said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    SandyRentool said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    It would be funny if the SNP dropped below 40% of the vote and got less than half the seats in Scotland - 29 seats.

    Wouldn't be great for that second referendum mandate, that.

    If 40% is a mandate for Bozo's Brexit deal then it should be sufficient for Indyref2.
    If they got less than half the seats and just over a third of the vote in Scotland then it really wouldn't be.
    They won the last Hollyrood election. They should get a referendum every time they do that if they have the votes. It’s for the Scots to decide whether that gets boring or wasteful.
    She's arguing for one next year (the next Scottish election isn't until May 2021) and wants to use this general election as a mandate for that.

    She was decidedly lukewarm about a sequel at the last Scottish election in May 2016.
    She won’t be leader in 2021.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited November 2019
    The massive difference in spending commitments is of course deliberate, its aimed to make Labours 28 times higher commitments look suicidal for the economy and feed into that narrative
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
    What is the current equivalent of gay marriage? What policy could they offer?
    I think scrapping the interest rate on student loans would be something good that would appeal to me for sure.
    This would be a good policy. I don't think the cost of the loan shouldn't grow in real terms.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958
    Floater said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Labour is going to go all in on social care, that seems to be their big attack line. I don't think it's going to work...

    Making everyone pay £100,000 towards their care, £200,000 for a couple will go down like a lead baloon
    Isn't that more than the tories got slated for in 2017?
    Yes and of course Boris announced he will make sure peoples homes will not be at risk for future dementia care payments
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,751
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Surprisingly mild outside.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    So, polls? :)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    RobD said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Another mile down the road to Damascus for SLab. Marvellous that Richard Leonard who worked for the GMB when they conspired with Glasgow City Council to shaft low paid women out of hundreds of millions of pounds has now seen the light.

    https://twitter.com/LabourRichard/status/1198367174429233153?s=20

    Didn't they have their high court case thrown out? I'm not sure why Labour are banging on about there being an injustice...
    They did lose, but are appealing

    The Labour drone interviewed by Marr earlier had to say "if they win their court case"

  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    RobD said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
    What is the current equivalent of gay marriage? What policy could they offer?
    I think scrapping the interest rate on student loans would be something good that would appeal to me for sure.
    This would be a good policy. I don't think the cost of the loan shouldn't grow in real terms.
    It's something many have called for. Of course scrapping tuition fees is more of a vote winner but for somebody with a student loan already, 6% interest is the real killer for me anyway.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Floater said:

    RobD said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Another mile down the road to Damascus for SLab. Marvellous that Richard Leonard who worked for the GMB when they conspired with Glasgow City Council to shaft low paid women out of hundreds of millions of pounds has now seen the light.

    https://twitter.com/LabourRichard/status/1198367174429233153?s=20

    Didn't they have their high court case thrown out? I'm not sure why Labour are banging on about there being an injustice...
    They did lose, but are appealing

    The Labour drone interviewed by Marr earlier had to say "if they win their court case"

    From what I read it didn't sound as though there was much chance of the appeal succeeding, unless the first judge got it totally wrong?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    MaxPB said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm amazed he said 'coalition of chaos'.

    Was he trolling Cammo?

    We're definitely rerunning the 2015 election campaign.
    Remind me how well that government went...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958
    edited November 2019
    RobD said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    Another mile down the road to Damascus for SLab. Marvellous that Richard Leonard who worked for the GMB when they conspired with Glasgow City Council to shaft low paid women out of hundreds of millions of pounds has now seen the light.

    https://twitter.com/LabourRichard/status/1198367174429233153?s=20

    Didn't they have their high court case thrown out? I'm not sure why Labour are banging on about there being an injustice...
    It is on appeal and of course they may win the apppeal

    However, McDonnell's announceme nt is a knee jerk response to labour's polling position and just adds to the narrative of out of control billions upon billions of spending

    The contrasts in the spending in the manifesto highlights the absurd nature of labours give everyone and anyone anything they ask for
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,556
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
    What is the current equivalent of gay marriage? What policy could they offer?
    I think scrapping the interest rate on student loans would be something good that would appeal to me for sure.
    Its what the Conservatives should do or alternatively put a cap on maximum repayments or alternatively write off debts above a certain level.

    But they seem to be in denial on this issue even when the ONS gives them tens of billions to take some action.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    wooliedyed said:

    The massive difference in spending commitments is of course deliberate, its aimed to make Labours 28 times higher commitments look suicidal for the economy and feed into that narrative

    So it does seem as if the Tory commitment to left behind towns is going to be lip service. Let them eat Brexit, while the SE prospers.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,696
    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm amazed he said 'coalition of chaos'.

    Was he trolling Cammo?

    We're definitely rerunning the 2015 election campaign.
    Remind me how well that government went...
    We won a majority and destroyed the Lib Dems. It was a good campaign.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,235
    Of course, if you live in a devolved country, you can vote iin a UK GE in the knowledge it will have relatively little impact on your life.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    another_richard said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
    What is the current equivalent of gay marriage? What policy could they offer?
    I think scrapping the interest rate on student loans would be something good that would appeal to me for sure.
    Its what the Conservatives should do or alternatively put a cap on maximum repayments or alternatively write off debts above a certain level.

    But they seem to be in denial on this issue even when the ONS gives them tens of billions to take some action.
    It wouldn't surprise me to see it dealt with in the next Parliament but I think they might have worried about a 'dementia tax' style blow up if they'd announced anything during this campaign.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    MaxPB said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    SandyRentool said:

    I'm amazed he said 'coalition of chaos'.

    Was he trolling Cammo?

    We're definitely rerunning the 2015 election campaign.
    Remind me how well that government went...
    We won a majority and destroyed the Lib Dems. It was a good campaign.
    A Phyrric victory and a disastrous government though.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Anyone got a link to the pdf for the manifesto?
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    another_richard said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Fysics_Teacher said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    Floater said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I as a young person have received no reason for me to vote Tory, thanks Johnson

    LOL - they could have given you a ferrari and you would still say no.

    We all know who you prefer
    I think under Cameron they at least tried to be moderate and propose some policies like gay marriage, etc. but they're not even trying anymore.

    In a way I kind of respect them for that - but it does make my decision very easy.

    Having said that, I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country, so my vote is fairly useless. Think I will have to vote Lib Dem tactically.
    What is the current equivalent of gay marriage? What policy could they offer?
    I think scrapping the interest rate on student loans would be something good that would appeal to me for sure.
    Its what the Conservatives should do or alternatively put a cap on maximum repayments or alternatively write off debts above a certain level.

    But they seem to be in denial on this issue even when the ONS gives them tens of billions to take some action.
    It is - but this is why young people feel ignored, because the Tories just continunally ignore this issue.

    They obviously do it wisely because they know young people don't vote, so it doesn't impact their voting behaviour.

    But from a moral level, I can't blame people for feeling hard done by, if I am honest.
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