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It'll make for a good picture, but forcing the pair to shake hands was just silliness.0
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Plus there wasn't a general election in 1975 so Wilson had the luxury of playing the statesman. He didn't have to convince anyone he was a leader because he was Prime Minister already.Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""
We now have a general election and I think people are looking for the leadership necessary to become Prime Minister.0 -
Is your name "Topping" or "Trolling"?TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""
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Well my non political guests reckoned Corbyn walked it. I didn't watch. They were surprised.
I'm just mad about Swinson.......0 -
This sounds like "damage limitation speak"ozymandias said:
And a lot on here thought Boris would tank . And he didn't. Boris went into this the underdog in expectation - not Corbyn.ydoethur said:
But even a Labour loyalist is admitting he lost. To get anything out of it, he needed to win and win big. This far behind, he cannot afford to be losing more ground.nico67 said:
I’m not predicting anything . But really how can this debate have harmed Corbyn , he came into it with dire leader ratings and 49% liked his performance.BluerBlue said:nico67 said:Hilarious to see some of the spin from Tories in here .
Given they’re about 10 to 15 points ahead in the polls and Corbyn had a minus 40 odd favourability the fact he scored well with 49% of those watching according to the poll will be a win for him .
How many points of improvement in his leadership ratings do you predict as a result?
Corbyn did these debates last time. He needed to knock it out of the park. He didn't.0 -
Betfair unmoved. No news is good news.0
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Does she give you the horn?Roger said:Well my non political guests reckoned Corbyn walked it. I didn't watch. They were surprised. i think they thought he had horns.
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Especially in the middle of the debate. Leaders shake hands at the start/end of the debate not during it.kle4 said:It'll make for a good picture, but forcing the pair to shake hands was just silliness.
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Nope. Boris won after all.eristdoof said:
This sounds like "damage limitation speak"ozymandias said:
And a lot on here thought Boris would tank . And he didn't. Boris went into this the underdog in expectation - not Corbyn.ydoethur said:
But even a Labour loyalist is admitting he lost. To get anything out of it, he needed to win and win big. This far behind, he cannot afford to be losing more ground.nico67 said:
I’m not predicting anything . But really how can this debate have harmed Corbyn , he came into it with dire leader ratings and 49% liked his performance.BluerBlue said:nico67 said:Hilarious to see some of the spin from Tories in here .
Given they’re about 10 to 15 points ahead in the polls and Corbyn had a minus 40 odd favourability the fact he scored well with 49% of those watching according to the poll will be a win for him .
How many points of improvement in his leadership ratings do you predict as a result?
Corbyn did these debates last time. He needed to knock it out of the park. He didn't.
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This is the point I am trying to make.Roger said:Well my non political guests reckoned Corbyn walked it. I didn't watch. They were surprised. i think they thought he had horns.
I'm just mad about Swinson.......
It's not about pleasing us, it's about pleasing the public.
They on average hate Corbyn, so for him to not be dire will be better than they expected.
I think this will mean a lot more than people think.0 -
paging @bigjohnowls.dr_spyn said:Labour councillor calls out Corbyn.
https://twitter.com/_petermason/status/11968985154710200330 -
I do think Corbyn is playing up his softly spoken thing on 'serious' questions, and it is a little phony, but he can still at least modulate his tone better than Boris can.0
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Yes - I used it and it was greatRobD said:0 -
Relentless Seeker of the Truthing.Arthur said:
Is your name "Topping" or "Trolling"?TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""0 -
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Hang on, I'm getting deja vu - did the same thing happen in the Tories' leaders debate? I repeat myself a lot, but I feel like I've said precisely the same thing here.Philip_Thompson said:
Especially in the middle of the debate. Leaders shake hands at the start/end of the debate not during it.kle4 said:It'll make for a good picture, but forcing the pair to shake hands was just silliness.
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Da iawnBlack_Rook said:The big result of the night: Wales qualify for the European Championships.
The rest is noise.0 -
Getting marginal movement on Brexit after a year of stalemate will do that,RobD said:
I should have also mentioned that Johnson's rating has improved from -18 to +2 between mid September 2019 and late October 2019spudgfsh said:
he was aided by the way that TM looked so wooden (and by the Tory manifesto). Just look at how much TMs ratings fell as JCs rose. Boris's failing are already priced into the ratings and may go down but not in the same manner.RobD said:
By a net of 1, margin of error, compared with the huge deficit he has. Anyway, I'm specifically talking about the MORI series. He went from -41 (late March 2017) to -11 (late May 2017) in the run up to the 2017 election. He was at -60 in mid September 2019, unchanged in late October 2019.CorrectHorseBattery said:
It has improved though. Kantar showed earlier it has gone up.RobD said:
His rating started going up from before the campaign started in 2017. It has yet to improve this time around.Arthur said:
The image says the scores are from "immediately before" an election, and someone has written at the top "heading into" an election. Nice try. There's a long way to go yet... What's the biggest min-to-max spread a leader's ratings have had in an election period?spudgfsh said:This image is why I doubt any of the debates will make much difference unless they can improve JCs ratings
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Well someone page him quick - the entertainment is second to none.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - I used it and it was greatRobD said:0 -
Probably not too many penguins streaming Netflix to hog the bandwidth down there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - I used it and it was greatRobD said:0 -
This will be the ongoing fall-out from the debate. Corbyn lying about anti-semitism in Labour.dr_spyn said:Labour councillor calls out Corbyn.
https://twitter.com/_petermason/status/11968985154710200330 -
I think the clue's in the word 'referendum' !TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""
What would the question be? What immediate change could result?
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No he doesn't. It only annoys Tories and they don't matter anyway to him.Philip_Thompson said:I'm surprised given it was Boris's obvious line and the media's line for months that Corbyn didn't have a clear answer on the Brexit question in what is reasonably by many being called The Brexit Election.
He needs to get an actual answer PDQ.0 -
It’s like Borg drones connected to the Queen ! Seriously though it’s beginning to grate!NorthernPowerhouse said:
While out canvassing it’s the most repeated line back from those saying they’ll vote conservative.Philip_Thompson said:
Get Brexit Done is the new Long Term Economic Plan from 2015 that got said to the point of people being sick of it, but also got the Tories a majority.GIN1138 said:
They've focused grouped the crap out of Get Brexit Done. They know it works and they know it's working.CorrectHorseBattery said:I seriously wonder if "get Brexit done" will become the new strong and stable. Half of the audience were bored of it.
"Strong and Stable" never worked because Theresa could never sell it. Boris can sell Get Brexit Done (is selling it)0 -
You had non-political guests and you decided all to watch the debate over a private VPN on ITV.com?Roger said:Well my non political guests reckoned Corbyn walked it. I didn't watch. They were surprised.
I'm just mad about Swinson.......
Oh Roger...cinquante-cinq not doing its happy hour on lager and black this evening?0 -
Corbyn is so heavily demonised in the media that when he appears live on programmes like tonite he can hardly help but appear better than most people expect.CorrectHorseBattery said:Corbyn being OK means he's better than most of the public think he is, which is a win for him - I think that is how he will perceive it.
It'll also give the Labour members a kickstart they need.
I just wasn't convinced by Johnson on anything other than on Brexit - which he won on. But it was tiring by the end.
He is in fact quite good in that format. Boris is better in short snappy spells, or giving speeches. Less so in open debate.
I would expect Corbyn's dire personal rating to improve, but otherwise the dial won't move much.3 -
They are both fucking useless, incompetent fools if you vote for either then more fool you. They have no solutions no policies and no foture1
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Johnson lying about everything from highest Corporation tax in Europe to dying in a ditch to how many kids he has to lying to his wife to everything else he ever saysMarqueeMark said:
This will be the ongoing fall-out from the debate. Corbyn lying about anti-semitism in Labour.dr_spyn said:Labour councillor calls out Corbyn.
https://twitter.com/_petermason/status/11968985154710200330 -
So my verdict on the evening.
The Tories think Johnson walked all over Corbyn.
Labour think Corbyn is the clear winner.
Roger apparently has friends.
I am pretty sure none of these things are realistic.
I watched MasterChef instead and thought the judges got it just right.2 -
Bell's Palsy?DavidL said:
Possibly. I thought he didn’t look quite right. His right eye was funny and his lens on that side looked blurred. His glasses were sitting at an odd angle as well. It crossed my mind he had had a mild stroke. But he spoke as well as he normally does.Stereotomy said:0 -
When the get free WiFi from Corbyn though, those bastards will be all over Pornhub looking for hot chicks.Philip_Thompson said:
Probably not too many penguins streaming Netflix to hog the bandwidth down there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - I used it and it was greatRobD said:1 -
Should we rule out any private involvement in the NHS.Omnium said:
I think the clue's in the word 'referendum' !TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""
What would the question be? What immediate change could result?0 -
I got bored after 5 minutes so watched the first episode of Porterhouse Blue on Youtube. The point where Sir Godber and the Dean clashed seemed strangely reminiscent of the debate. I assume the scene in a future episode, where Zipser demolishes the college with inflated condoms, will bring back even more memories of Boris.0
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Been out all evening. What's the verdict from the debate - no score draw?0
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I think you might find there's Remainers out there annoyed at Corbyn's prevarication too!Barnesian said:
No he doesn't. It only annoys Tories and they don't matter anyway to him.Philip_Thompson said:I'm surprised given it was Boris's obvious line and the media's line for months that Corbyn didn't have a clear answer on the Brexit question in what is reasonably by many being called The Brexit Election.
He needs to get an actual answer PDQ.0 -
Precisely why we need to get Brexit done so you won't have to hear the words "get Brexit done" again.nico67 said:
It’s like Borg drones connected to the Queen ! Seriously though it’s beginning to grate!NorthernPowerhouse said:
While out canvassing it’s the most repeated line back from those saying they’ll vote conservative.Philip_Thompson said:
Get Brexit Done is the new Long Term Economic Plan from 2015 that got said to the point of people being sick of it, but also got the Tories a majority.GIN1138 said:
They've focused grouped the crap out of Get Brexit Done. They know it works and they know it's working.CorrectHorseBattery said:I seriously wonder if "get Brexit done" will become the new strong and stable. Half of the audience were bored of it.
"Strong and Stable" never worked because Theresa could never sell it. Boris can sell Get Brexit Done (is selling it)0 -
ydoethur said:
When the get free WiFi from Corbyn though, those bastards will be all over Pornhub looking for hot chicks.Philip_Thompson said:
Probably not too many penguins streaming Netflix to hog the bandwidth down there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - I used it and it was greatRobD said:
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Why? Non sequitur.TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""0 -
Your guests asked to watch something they arent interested in on telly while you did something else?Roger said:Well my non political guests reckoned Corbyn walked it. I didn't watch. They were surprised.
I'm just mad about Swinson.......0 -
Boris just edged it but it's a win for Jezza apparentlyBenpointer said:Been out all evening. What's the verdict from the debate - no score draw?
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"Each side talks their man up" shock on PB
Meanwhile, the world continues to turn.....0 -
There's nothing new in that. we can tell exactly when he's lying anyway, his lips will be movingbigjohnowls said:
Johnson lying about everythingMarqueeMark said:
This will be the ongoing fall-out from the debate. Corbyn lying about anti-semitism in Labour.dr_spyn said:Labour councillor calls out Corbyn.
https://twitter.com/_petermason/status/11968985154710200330 -
Isn't Pingu popular in such parts?Philip_Thompson said:
Probably not too many penguins streaming Netflix to hog the bandwidth down there.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes - I used it and it was greatRobD said:0 -
They'll make a cock up in their manifesto launch for people to talk about soon.nico67 said:
It’s like Borg drones connected to the Queen ! Seriously though it’s beginning to grate!NorthernPowerhouse said:
While out canvassing it’s the most repeated line back from those saying they’ll vote conservative.Philip_Thompson said:
Get Brexit Done is the new Long Term Economic Plan from 2015 that got said to the point of people being sick of it, but also got the Tories a majority.GIN1138 said:
They've focused grouped the crap out of Get Brexit Done. They know it works and they know it's working.CorrectHorseBattery said:I seriously wonder if "get Brexit done" will become the new strong and stable. Half of the audience were bored of it.
"Strong and Stable" never worked because Theresa could never sell it. Boris can sell Get Brexit Done (is selling it)
And lots of people think similarly, so I think the idea everyone expected Boris to trounce Corbyn, or even for Corbyn to see an enormous jump in the Labour share, needs to be discarded, as there's plenty of nuanced reactions to the impact. Even Betfair have not overreacted.Peter_the_Punter said:
Corbyn is so heavily demonised in the media that when he appears live on programmes like tonite he can hardly help but appear better than most people expect.CorrectHorseBattery said:Corbyn being OK means he's better than most of the public think he is, which is a win for him - I think that is how he will perceive it.
It'll also give the Labour members a kickstart they need.
I just wasn't convinced by Johnson on anything other than on Brexit - which he won on. But it was tiring by the end.
He is in fact quite good in that format. Boris is better in short snappy spells, or giving speeches. Less so in open debate.
I would expect Corbyn's dire personal rating to improve, but otherwise the dial won't move much.0 -
It's an issue of national importance and Jeremy has a very strong view. Why shouldn't he be neutral? Leave it to the people to decide?Barnesian said:
Why? Non sequitur.TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""0 -
Lmao ! Yes I hate Brexit but if the slogan gets put out of its misery it will be relief !brokenwheel said:
Precisely why we need to get Brexit done so you won't have to hear the words get Brexit done again.nico67 said:
It’s like Borg drones connected to the Queen ! Seriously though it’s beginning to grate!NorthernPowerhouse said:
While out canvassing it’s the most repeated line back from those saying they’ll vote conservative.Philip_Thompson said:
Get Brexit Done is the new Long Term Economic Plan from 2015 that got said to the point of people being sick of it, but also got the Tories a majority.GIN1138 said:
They've focused grouped the crap out of Get Brexit Done. They know it works and they know it's working.CorrectHorseBattery said:I seriously wonder if "get Brexit done" will become the new strong and stable. Half of the audience were bored of it.
"Strong and Stable" never worked because Theresa could never sell it. Boris can sell Get Brexit Done (is selling it)0 -
Even Hitler might beat Corbyn.ozymandias said:
Getting an STD is probably more popular than Corbyn.spudgfsh said:This image is why I doubt any of the debates will make much difference unless they can improve JCs ratings
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LOLRichard_Tyndall said:So my verdict on the evening.
The Tories think Johnson walked all over Corbyn.
Labour think Corbyn is the clear winner.
Roger apparently has friends.
I am pretty sure none of these things are realistic.
I watched MasterChef instead and thought the judges got it just right.0 -
Tbh it was a bore draw. Nothing in it made you want to change your mind0
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Who the people like Topping saying they both did ok talking up? Or Wooliedyed saying it was a bore draw? And so on. The idea people are only talking up their sides isn't borne out. Some are.Beibheirli_C said:"Each side talks their man up" shock on PB
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Oh, the wit. There's no shortage of trolls on here. Topping ain't one.Arthur said:
Is your name "Topping" or "Trolling"?TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""0 -
What a waste of time that was. I doubt many voters are any the wiser on the issues.
An in-depth grilling from Andrew Neil would have been far more worthwhile.0 -
Pretty much.. all lines well rehearsed nowBenpointer said:Been out all evening. What's the verdict from the debate - no score draw?
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Casino_Royale said:
Even Hitler might beat Corbyn.ozymandias said:
Getting an STD is probably more popular than Corbyn.spudgfsh said:This image is why I doubt any of the debates will make much difference unless they can improve JCs ratings
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1196861090245861376
Careful.Casino_Royale said:
Even Hitler might beat Corbyn.ozymandias said:
Getting an STD is probably more popular than Corbyn.spudgfsh said:This image is why I doubt any of the debates will make much difference unless they can improve JCs ratings
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1196861090245861376 0 -
Debate was OK - no real cock-ups by either side, but nothing new either.0
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Blimey did someone actually cook a piece of lamb properly rather than leaving it bloody raw like they usually do? ( I’m watching a recording now having turned over from Wales)Richard_Tyndall said:So my verdict on the evening.
The Tories think Johnson walked all over Corbyn.
Labour think Corbyn is the clear winner.
Roger apparently has friends.
I am pretty sure none of these things are realistic.
I watched MasterChef instead and thought the judges got it just right.0 -
Definitely.rottenborough said:What a waste of time that was. I doubt many voters are any the wiser on the issues.
An in-depth grilling from Andrew Neil would have been far more worthwhile.
The format was awful.0 -
Snap polls say dead heat, therefore yes, though personally I'd edge it to Corbyn as a reasonable performance with no disaster helps him more.Benpointer said:Been out all evening. What's the verdict from the debate - no score draw?
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I think that the question time format, if long enough for each leader, will be much more informative.rottenborough said:What a waste of time that was. I doubt many voters are any the wiser on the issues.
An in-depth grilling from Andrew Neil would have been far more worthwhile.0 -
Got our polling cards yesterday. Feels real now.0
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Thanks for that.kle4 said:
The burdens we bear. Just to talk myself up, I've also read and summarised the Green Party Manifesto across 4 posts earlier so no one else has to as well.DavenportAvenue said:Thanks everyone for watching it, so I didn't have to.
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Betfair is the most honest guide in this kind of situation.kle4 said:
They'll make a cock up in their manifesto launch for people to talk about soon.nico67 said:
It’s like Borg drones connected to the Queen ! Seriously though it’s beginning to grate!NorthernPowerhouse said:
While out canvassing it’s the most repeated line back from those saying they’ll vote conservative.Philip_Thompson said:
Get Brexit Done is the new Long Term Economic Plan from 2015 that got said to the point of people being sick of it, but also got the Tories a majority.GIN1138 said:
They've focused grouped the crap out of Get Brexit Done. They know it works and they know it's working.CorrectHorseBattery said:I seriously wonder if "get Brexit done" will become the new strong and stable. Half of the audience were bored of it.
"Strong and Stable" never worked because Theresa could never sell it. Boris can sell Get Brexit Done (is selling it)
And lots of people think similarly, so I think the idea everyone expected Boris to trounce Corbyn, or even for Corbyn to see an enormous jump in the Labour share, needs to be discarded, as there's plenty of nuanced reactions to the impact. Even Betfair have not overreacted.Peter_the_Punter said:
Corbyn is so heavily demonised in the media that when he appears live on programmes like tonite he can hardly help but appear better than most people expect.CorrectHorseBattery said:Corbyn being OK means he's better than most of the public think he is, which is a win for him - I think that is how he will perceive it.
It'll also give the Labour members a kickstart they need.
I just wasn't convinced by Johnson on anything other than on Brexit - which he won on. But it was tiring by the end.
He is in fact quite good in that format. Boris is better in short snappy spells, or giving speeches. Less so in open debate.
I would expect Corbyn's dire personal rating to improve, but otherwise the dial won't move much.
NOM drifted down during the day and has more or less held its position since the show. So the punters are saying more or less a draw.0 -
Peter_the_Punter said:
Oh, the wit. There's no shortage of trolls on here. Topping ain't one.Arthur said:
Is your name "Topping" or "Trolling"?TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes."" 0 -
It needed more time. No really, it was not great viewing, but 1 hour was not enough for them to get into things properly, they were always being moved on.Philip_Thompson said:
Definitely.rottenborough said:What a waste of time that was. I doubt many voters are any the wiser on the issues.
An in-depth grilling from Andrew Neil would have been far more worthwhile.
The format was awful.0 -
51/49 according to YGCasino_Royale said:
Even Hitler might beat Corbyn.ozymandias said:
Getting an STD is probably more popular than Corbyn.spudgfsh said:This image is why I doubt any of the debates will make much difference unless they can improve JCs ratings
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/11968610902458613760 -
Cheers - and to the others who responded with slightly differing flavours of the same conclusion.kle4 said:
Snap polls say dead heat, therefore yes, though personally I'd edge it to Corbyn as a reasonable performance with no disaster helps him more.Benpointer said:Been out all evening. What's the verdict from the debate - no score draw?
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Boris Johnson did not come across as a leader tonight.He seemed unprepared and lacking in substance.The audience laughed at him on more than one occasion.His whole demeanour revealed a contemptuous attitude towards the audience.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand was surprisingly good and statesmanlike.0 -
"Shit just got real!"Gallowgate said:Got our polling cards yesterday. Feels real now.
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If I was round at Roger's house I'd also probably pick boring tv over no tv.wooliedyed said:
Your guests asked to watch something they arent interested in on telly while you did something else?Roger said:Well my non political guests reckoned Corbyn walked it. I didn't watch. They were surprised.
I'm just mad about Swinson.......0 -
Sounds good to me. I’m not sure Labour would like it though, as it would take away their most used election line.bigjohnowls said:
Result binding on all future Governments.TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""0 -
and also got laughed atroserees64 said:Boris Johnson did not come across as a leader tonight.He seemed unprepared and lacking in substance.The audience laughed at him on more than one occasion.His whole demeanour revealed a contemptuous attitude towards the audience.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand was surprisingly good and statesmanlike.
more than once.0 -
2015 debate between Miliband and Cameron:
"....while a YouGov "Instant Reaction" survey found 51% for Cameron and 49% for Miliband. A subsequent regular YouGov poll found that among undecided voters, 49% thought Milband had done best to 35% for Cameron. The Centre for the Analysis of Social Media concluded the social media reaction was more favourable towards Miliband. Newsnight's political editor called Miliband the winner."
Wonder how that ended up?
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FWIW literally nobody I have spoken to who is not at least a member of a political party said they would watch it. Many didn’t even know it was on. I suspect the viewing figures will be in the tank and I would suspect that favours the leader in the polls.0
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Why would YG poll on whether or not Hitler beat Corbyn?bigjohnowls said:
51/49 according to YGCasino_Royale said:
Even Hitler might beat Corbyn.ozymandias said:
Getting an STD is probably more popular than Corbyn.spudgfsh said:This image is why I doubt any of the debates will make much difference unless they can improve JCs ratings
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1196861090245861376
Even more embarrassingly, given Hitler died (just) before Corbyn was born, how could Corbyn narrowly lose to him?1 -
Betfair majority odds unmoved so, basically, job done for Boris tonight0
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Why did the audience repeatedly laugh at him then?roserees64 said:Boris Johnson did not come across as a leader tonight.He seemed unprepared and lacking in substance.The audience laughed at him on more than one occasion.His whole demeanour revealed a contemptuous attitude towards the audience.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand was surprisingly good and statesmanlike.0 -
What does that actually mean in practice though?TOPPING said:
Should we rule out any private involvement in the NHS.Omnium said:
I think the clue's in the word 'referendum' !TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""
What would the question be? What immediate change could result?
I don't think you can draw a line on anything like such a wide-ranging issue.
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Surely Corbyn would have been hoping for disasters [on Boris's side]. May 2017 had disaster after disaster, at least 3 major memorable disasters which is what helped get him close.kle4 said:
Snap polls say dead heat, therefore yes, though personally I'd edge it to Corbyn as a reasonable performance with no disaster helps him more.Benpointer said:Been out all evening. What's the verdict from the debate - no score draw?
If these set pieces get ticked off without changing anybodies opinion I think Team Boris will be quietly quite satisfied with that.0 -
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The 130 are suspended which is what Corbyn said.dr_spyn said:Labour councillor calls out Corbyn.
https://twitter.com/_petermason/status/11968985154710200330 -
You’re right. Why did the audience repeatedly laugh at Boris Johnson?wooliedyed said:
Why did the audience repeatedly laugh at him then?roserees64 said:Boris Johnson did not come across as a leader tonight.He seemed unprepared and lacking in substance.The audience laughed at him on more than one occasion.His whole demeanour revealed a contemptuous attitude towards the audience.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand was surprisingly good and statesmanlike.0 -
Because they weren’t tribal Labour loyalists.wooliedyed said:
Why did the audience repeatedly laugh at him then?roserees64 said:Boris Johnson did not come across as a leader tonight.He seemed unprepared and lacking in substance.The audience laughed at him on more than one occasion.His whole demeanour revealed a contemptuous attitude towards the audience.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand was surprisingly good and statesmanlike.0 -
Hold on, there wasn't a head to head in 2015. You can't really compare.ozymandias said:2015 debate between Miliband and Cameron:
"....while a YouGov "Instant Reaction" survey found 51% for Cameron and 49% for Miliband. A subsequent regular YouGov poll found that among undecided voters, 49% thought Milband had done best to 35% for Cameron. The Centre for the Analysis of Social Media concluded the social media reaction was more favourable towards Miliband. Newsnight's political editor called Miliband the winner."
Wonder how that ended up?0 -
I thought they hadTOPPING said:
It's an issue of national importance and Jeremy has a very strong view. Why shouldn't he be neutral? Leave it to the people to decide?Barnesian said:
Why? Non sequitur.TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""0 -
They laughed at Corbyn once, they laughed with him many times from my recollection. His best line was on the Christmas presentspudgfsh said:
and also got laughed atroserees64 said:Boris Johnson did not come across as a leader tonight.He seemed unprepared and lacking in substance.The audience laughed at him on more than one occasion.His whole demeanour revealed a contemptuous attitude towards the audience.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand was surprisingly good and statesmanlike.
more than once.0 -
You thought wrong.ReggieCide said:
I thought they hadTOPPING said:
It's an issue of national importance and Jeremy has a very strong view. Why shouldn't he be neutral? Leave it to the people to decide?Barnesian said:
Why? Non sequitur.TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""0 -
Surely nothing can be binding on all future Governments?bigjohnowls said:
Result binding on all future Governments.TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""0 -
Because he’s an unserious twat telling a pack of unconvincing lies.Gallowgate said:
You’re right. Why did the audience repeatedly laugh at Boris Johnson?wooliedyed said:
Why did the audience repeatedly laugh at him then?roserees64 said:Boris Johnson did not come across as a leader tonight.He seemed unprepared and lacking in substance.The audience laughed at him on more than one occasion.His whole demeanour revealed a contemptuous attitude towards the audience.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand was surprisingly good and statesmanlike.
Much the same reason as Corbyn, indeed.0 -
Yey I am watching sky and they have said the Yougov polling on best PM, boJo won by a mile, they did not give the percentages out.roserees64 said:Boris Johnson did not come across as a leader tonight.He seemed unprepared and lacking in substance.The audience laughed at him on more than one occasion.His whole demeanour revealed a contemptuous attitude towards the audience.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand was surprisingly good and statesmanlike.0 -
Nothing has changed. Boris is optimistic, makes most people feel happier.
Corbyn's pitch is everything is terrible.
Optimism wins.0 -
Yep.Philip_Thompson said:
Surely Corbyn would have been hoping for disasters [on Boris's side]. May 2017 had disaster after disaster, at least 3 major memorable disasters which is what helped get him close.kle4 said:
Snap polls say dead heat, therefore yes, though personally I'd edge it to Corbyn as a reasonable performance with no disaster helps him more.Benpointer said:Been out all evening. What's the verdict from the debate - no score draw?
If these set pieces get ticked off without changing anybodies opinion I think Team Boris will be quietly quite satisfied with that.
Next step is the manifesto I think.
Is there a stinking dementia-type bomb in the Tory proposals?0 -
Any sensible person would be looking around for someone else to vote for.Benpointer said:Been out all evening. What's the verdict from the debate - no score draw?
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They could have had more time. They could quite easily have found time by:kle4 said:
It needed more time. No really, it was not great viewing, but 1 hour was not enough for them to get into things properly, they were always being moved on.Philip_Thompson said:
Definitely.rottenborough said:What a waste of time that was. I doubt many voters are any the wiser on the issues.
An in-depth grilling from Andrew Neil would have been far more worthwhile.
The format was awful.
Not asking inane questions on the monarchy/Prince Andrew.
Not spending time getting them to shake hands during the debate.
Not asking inane questions on Christmas Presents.
Not asking other inane questions.
Not cutting to commercial breaks - sure its ITV but ITV could have opted to go Commercial-Free for the hour to have more time for the debate itself.
Just off the top of my head.0 -
They laughed at both of them. Corbyn twice (once on Brexit and once on Antisematism IIRC). They laughed at Johnson once.CorrectHorseBattery said:
They laughed at Corbyn once, they laughed with him many times from my recollection. His best line was on the Christmas presentspudgfsh said:
and also got laughed atroserees64 said:Boris Johnson did not come across as a leader tonight.He seemed unprepared and lacking in substance.The audience laughed at him on more than one occasion.His whole demeanour revealed a contemptuous attitude towards the audience.
Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand was surprisingly good and statesmanlike.
more than once.0 -
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What indeed, although it seems perilously close to the Labour Party position and was ruled out (private sector involvement) by Jezza tonight.Omnium said:
What does that actually mean in practice though?TOPPING said:
Should we rule out any private involvement in the NHS.Omnium said:
I think the clue's in the word 'referendum' !TOPPING said:
So why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?Barnesian said:Flashy4 said:Boil it down - Jezza couldn’t answer on Brexit - the end.
I suspect he will agree a free vote for Labour MPs and keep above the fray himself. That's exactly what Wilson did in 1975.TOPPING said:
It is a killer question because he is the leader of the Labour Party and it is the most important issue facing our country.Barnesian said:
Why does he have to answer that question? He is neutral. Leave it to the people to decide and he'll implement it. I think that's fair enough. I certainly don't think it is a killer question though Johnson obviously thinks it is.TOPPING said:
Is he in favour of leaving or remaining in the EU, Nick? He is leader of one of our two main political parties. What is his view? Let's let him lead us all.NickPalmer said:Clear Corbyn win by the end in my view, but let's see what the snap poll says.
Or why not a referendum on privatisation in the NHS?
"In a 1975 pamphlet Prime Minister Harold Wilson said: "I ask you to use your vote. For it is your vote that will now decide. The Government will accept your verdict."[3] The pamphlet also said: "Now the time has come for you to decide. The Government will accept your decision — whichever way it goes.""
What would the question be? What immediate change could result?
I don't think you can draw a line on anything like such a wide-ranging issue.
It is a hugely contentious and important issue and Jezza has a strong view on it. But on that other hugely contentious and important issue (Br*x*t), it is ok for Jezza to have no view whatsoever.
Was my point.0
