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  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    monster raving loony
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Orange booker
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    The Bercow modesty party
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    It's one of those for me on Dec 12th..... or otherwise it's the headbanger blues or the welsh independence yellows.... what a choice!

    Maybe it was easier having no vote in the people's republic of Bercow after all.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    Sorry to interrupt but is anyone following the impeachment proceedings live? Compelling stuff.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Spreads are a mugs game.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    https://twitter.com/jdportes/status/1194336599842144256
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,328
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    The Bercow modesty party

    Is this this week’s name for the Tiggers? At least we won’t have to worry about them after the election.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Casino_Royale said:

    Spreads are a mugs game.

    Gambling of any description is a mugs game. Matched betting, on the other hand............
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    Ambassador Taylor just indicated that it was a bad idea for the President to intervene in the internal political affairs of another country.

    Didn't stop Trump!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,778
    Overview of Notts seats - the blog is historically left-leaning and anti-Soubry, now less so, but after the playful discussion of the ex-BXP candidate this one is more about other seats and quite neutral in flavour.

    https://beestonia.wordpress.com/2019/11/13/beestonia-election19-special-day-minus-31-brexit-bottlers-notts-constituency-round-up/
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,328
    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,328
    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Ambassador Taylor just indicated that it was a bad idea for the President to intervene in the internal political affairs of another country.

    Didn't stop Trump!

    Or Obama IIRC.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,331
    edited November 2019
    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,924
    DavidL said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    The Bercow modesty party

    Is this this week’s name for the Tiggers? At least we won’t have to worry about them after the election.
    The week the Tiggers split off the betting had them halfway to government. Clearly they were the wrong Tiggers. (I find it really quite astonishing that they managed to turn all that good press into nothing in about a week)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Weirdly, I wonder if the bigger a majority Johnson gets the closer the relationship with the EU he’ll get.

    I don’t want to sound all WilliamGlenn (heaven forbid) but not all his candidates are ERG’ers and I suspect he’ll end up wanting to compromise with the EU, and needing a cushion to do so.

    On the other hand, if it gets a majority of just 10, he’ll have to genuflect to the Baker’s and Francois’s because the opposition will gang up to vote it down and he’ll need every vote.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Swingback will be a prominent feature of this election, north of the border.

    SCon to SLD swingback.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,331
    Corbyn is going to struggle to make gains North of The Border.

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1194683810585174016
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,602
    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    If she was sparing someone would have been trying to hit her, which would have made for a more enjoyable photo-opp.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,833
    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Some of us remember Rod Crosby too.

  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    At 20 seconds...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgSQ47iNJ3U
    Absolute classic
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    It's a good idea isn't it? Make the yoof wear big yellow mittens so they can't hold a knife.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    edited November 2019
    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    But the policy is spot on, investment in youth clubs and similar activities that have been stripped of funding are an essential part of an attempt to reduce youth knife crime. Taking the piss out of how this has been presented shows that someone doesn’t want to see or understand the message.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,559
    edited November 2019
    ‘Farage’s party 6%’

    🙄
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,833
    LibDems are VERY touchy tonight.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    MarqueeMark said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Some of us remember Rod Crosby too.

    I wish we still had him now.

    He was better than any of us at modelling and predicting elections and got both GE2010 and GE2015 right.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,328
    StuartDickson said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Swingback will be a prominent feature of this election, north of the border.

    SCon to SLD swingback.
    I doubt it although some recovery in the Lib Dem vote from the last time is surely inevitable. They did astonishingly well to get the seats they did last time out with the total number of votes received. Some of those votes might come from the SNP. On Brexit at least they are fishing in the same pool.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    SNP drifting in Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk (Con Maj = 11,060)

    Con 1/3
    SNP 11/4
    Bxp 50/1
    LD 50/1
    Lab 100/1

    Note: the Liberal Democrats held this seat from the 1960s until 2015. They are now 50/1. Times change.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    DavidL said:

    Peter_the_Punter said:

    Ambassador Taylor just indicated that it was a bad idea for the President to intervene in the internal political affairs of another country.

    Didn't stop Trump!

    Or Obama IIRC.
    Indeed! Obama's intervention was greeted with fury here. Trump's less so.

    Perhaps it's because Trump is on our side and Obama wasn't?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    MarqueeMark said:

    LibDems are VERY touchy tonight.....

    No, just this one that has had enough of the Tory tripe that you push out all the time
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,080
    Casino_Royale said:

    Spreads are a mugs game.

    I didn't do well in 2017 on them, but am doing better this time, substantially green buying Con at 232, selling Lab at 206.

    To be fair, Spreadex do make it explicit when signing up that 70% of spread betters lose.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,559
    edited November 2019
    DavidL said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    The Bercow modesty party

    Is this this week’s name for the Tiggers? At least we won’t have to worry about them after the election.
    Hard to believe it was little over 6 months ago that PBers thought Chuka and the gang were about to spend a new dawn standing on the shoulders of giants
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Corbyn's dream of entering Downing Street courtesy of some nightmarish LAB/LD/SNP coalition appear to be disappearing in a puff of dust. Sturgeon would dismantle him atom by atom if such a coalition was ever formed, he knows it, and his party knows it.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Or Nicola doing her homage to 'Mary Doll' Nesbitt.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited November 2019
    DavidL said:

    StuartDickson said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Swingback will be a prominent feature of this election, north of the border.

    SCon to SLD swingback.
    I doubt it although some recovery in the Lib Dem vote from the last time is surely inevitable. They did astonishingly well to get the seats they did last time out with the total number of votes received. Some of those votes might come from the SNP. On Brexit at least they are fishing in the same pool.
    Wishful thinking.

    Although the SLDs have the wrong spokespeople, they have the right message (for their target audience): pro-Union + pro-Union. The Clown is selling a dud: pro-Union + anti-Union.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    But, you were already convinced?

    It’s soft Tories she needs.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    Allowing yourself to be labelled (literally) by Boris; I'm not convinced it's the wisest strategy.
  • argyllrsargyllrs Posts: 155
    easiest bet for an almost guaranteed return. Most seats.
    Cons @ 1.07.
    Cannot be sure of a majority but is there anyway anyone can see Labour overtaking them?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,328
    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,434
    nichomar said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    But the policy is spot on, investment in youth clubs and similar activities that have been stripped of funding are an essential part of an attempt to reduce youth knife crime. Taking the piss out of how this has been presented shows that someone doesn’t want to see or understand the message.
    I don't happen to agree with her position on Brexit and a few other things, but as a person she is a star. Love the GIRLY SWOT picture. Wish I could vote for her.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,080
    Casino_Royale said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Some of us remember Rod Crosby too.

    I wish we still had him now.

    He was better than any of us at modelling and predicting elections and got both GE2010 and GE2015 right.
    No matter how many times he was warned, he continued in Holocaust denial. Now that is full on anti-semitism, not the much milderstuff that is bandied about in the last few weeks.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Casino_Royale said:

    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    But, you were already convinced?

    It’s soft Tories she needs.
    But the policy she pushes on this issue is right. Not her tee shirt etc etc any better ideas on how to reduce under 18 violent crime?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,580
    edited November 2019
    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Different times. Different audience. This seems a pretty good photo shoot to me and a worthy cause to be supporting (the venue not the Lib Dems :) ). I don't really see the downside for her.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    StuartDickson said:

    DavidL said:

    StuartDickson said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Swingback will be a prominent feature of this election, north of the border.

    SCon to SLD swingback.
    I doubt it although some recovery in the Lib Dem vote from the last time is surely inevitable. They did astonishingly well to get the seats they did last time out with the total number of votes received. Some of those votes might come from the SNP. On Brexit at least they are fishing in the same pool.
    Wishful thinking.

    Although the SLDs have the wrong spokespeople, they have the right message (for their target audience): pro-Union + pro-Union. The Clown is selling a dud: pro-Union + anti-Union.
    If the LD's are pro-union why are they in an electoral alliance with a nationalist party in Wales?
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    maaarsh said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    If she was sparing someone would have been trying to hit her, which would have made for a more enjoyable photo-opp.
    Not sure it was a great idea, but nothing like as bad as the photo ops of Boris and Gove from earlier this year, where they pretended to be out jogging. Rule number one is that if you are going to do that do not come sprinting back at a pace you obviously could not sustain and do not run with a style which most resembles the opening credits of the Benny Hill Show.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    dr_spyn said:

    Corbyn is going to struggle to make gains North of The Border.

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1194683810585174016

    He's also admitted Labour cannot win a majority. Oh Mr Corbyn what a ruddy fool you are.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,357
    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,328
    StuartDickson said:

    DavidL said:

    StuartDickson said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Swingback will be a prominent feature of this election, north of the border.

    SCon to SLD swingback.
    I doubt it although some recovery in the Lib Dem vote from the last time is surely inevitable. They did astonishingly well to get the seats they did last time out with the total number of votes received. Some of those votes might come from the SNP. On Brexit at least they are fishing in the same pool.
    Wishful thinking.

    Although the SLDs have the wrong spokespeople, they have the right message (for their target audience): pro-Union + pro-Union. The Clown is selling a dud: pro-Union + anti-Union.
    40% of Scots disagreed with that in the referendum. That’s a nice deep pool for the Tories to fish in and, at least in their own seats, they have it all to themselves.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,686
    DavidL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.
    I was told that the Girly Swot jibe comes up an awful lot in focus groups (and not just the ones run by the Tories.)

    There's an entire group of women who generally voted Conservative but can be described as Boris sceptic, whilst Corbyn is the alternative Boris Johnson is fine, but I suspect Jo Swinson is playing the long game for the election after next.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,224
    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    I disagree I thought it was one of her best moments . I actually warmed to her.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    nichomar said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    LibDems are VERY touchy tonight.....

    No, just this one that has had enough of the Tory tripe that you push out all the time
    Now, now. Please do not dissuade him from posting more tripe. It helps to bring the Tories into disrepute.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    TudorRose said:

    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    Allowing yourself to be labelled (literally) by Boris; I'm not convinced it's the wisest strategy.
    I see where you're coming from, but I think it works. Like gay people co-opting "queer" or black people taking ownership of n----r. I do think it works. Wouldn't be surprised if Boris Johnson also tries to co-opt his own words whilst introducing some female candidate, leaning into his own words to try to defuse the negativity in having said them. It's the kind of thing self-aware joke he goes for.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    But, you were already convinced?

    It’s soft Tories she needs.
    But the policy she pushes on this issue is right. Not her tee shirt etc etc any better ideas on how to reduce under 18 violent crime?
    No-one cares about policies of leaders who don’t convince or cut through.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Foxy said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Some of us remember Rod Crosby too.

    I wish we still had him now.

    He was better than any of us at modelling and predicting elections and got both GE2010 and GE2015 right.
    No matter how many times he was warned, he continued in Holocaust denial. Now that is full on anti-semitism, not the much milderstuff that is bandied about in the last few weeks.

    This is true. And it’s a real shame he never learned from that.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited November 2019
    TudorRose said:

    StuartDickson said:

    DavidL said:

    StuartDickson said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Swingback will be a prominent feature of this election, north of the border.

    SCon to SLD swingback.
    I doubt it although some recovery in the Lib Dem vote from the last time is surely inevitable. They did astonishingly well to get the seats they did last time out with the total number of votes received. Some of those votes might come from the SNP. On Brexit at least they are fishing in the same pool.
    Wishful thinking.

    Although the SLDs have the wrong spokespeople, they have the right message (for their target audience): pro-Union + pro-Union. The Clown is selling a dud: pro-Union + anti-Union.
    If the LD's are pro-union why are they in an electoral alliance with a nationalist party in Wales?
    Great point. The SCons ought to be ramming that point home on every doorstep, every street stall, every leaflet, every media interview and every PPB for the next month.

    Your main hinder is not the SNP, it is the SLDs. (And yourselves, of course.)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,353
    LibDems and SNP both wanting to be included in next week's ITV show. Would that make it a mass debate?

    Soz.

    Actually, will Julie Etchingham be asking Bozo and Jezza about their relationship with Mrs Palm and her five lovely daughters?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,580
    NickPalmer said:

    Overview of Notts seats - the blog is historically left-leaning and anti-Soubry, now less so, but after the playful discussion of the ex-BXP candidate this one is more about other seats and quite neutral in flavour.

    https://beestonia.wordpress.com/2019/11/13/beestonia-election19-special-day-minus-31-brexit-bottlers-notts-constituency-round-up/

    The only 3 Nottinghamshire seats that will not be Blue after the election are the three Nottingham city seats. And even there there will be big cuts in the majorities.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,080
    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    It is not quite right. Boris's comment was aimed at males, and intended to be insulting by implying that females are inferior, and so are those who do their homework. Ditto big girls blouse.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,743
    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    The Bercow modesty party

    Is this this week’s name for the Tiggers? At least we won’t have to worry about them after the election.
    Hard to believe it was little over 6 months ago that PBers thought Chuka and the gang were about to spend a new dawn standing on the shoulders of giants
    Chuka Khan't.

    :)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,328
    alb1on said:

    maaarsh said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    If she was sparing someone would have been trying to hit her, which would have made for a more enjoyable photo-opp.
    Not sure it was a great idea, but nothing like as bad as the photo ops of Boris and Gove from earlier this year, where they pretended to be out jogging. Rule number one is that if you are going to do that do not come sprinting back at a pace you obviously could not sustain and do not run with a style which most resembles the opening credits of the Benny Hill Show.
    Let’s face it, all our politicians are ridiculous and go out of their way to make themselves even more so for our delectation. Willies pigs are pretty hard to beat though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,833
    Jason said:

    Corbyn's dream of entering Downing Street courtesy of some nightmarish LAB/LD/SNP coalition appear to be disappearing in a puff of dust. Sturgeon would dismantle him atom by atom if such a coalition was ever formed, he knows it, and his party knows it.

    More importantly, the voters know it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
    Boris can pull it off, no pun intended. He can make a jibe seem fun and light-hearted.

    This just comes across as irritable and passive-aggressive.

    It doesn’t work.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Casino_Royale said:

    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    But, you were already convinced?

    It’s soft Tories she needs.
    Yes, I was, you're right. But think about the soft conservatives with feminist stirrings. Boris is not an ideal home for their vote. Sure, Swinson's sweatshirt will probably be offputting to the far-right incel brigade, but they wouldn't vote Lib Dem anyway.
    Yes, the more I think about it, the smarter this looks.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.
    I was told that the Girly Swot jibe comes up an awful lot in focus groups (and not just the ones run by the Tories.)

    There's an entire group of women who generally voted Conservative but can be described as Boris sceptic, whilst Corbyn is the alternative Boris Johnson is fine, but I suspect Jo Swinson is playing the long game for the election after next.
    She’ll have to given she’s blown this one.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,080
    isam said:

    DavidL said:

    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    The Bercow modesty party

    Is this this week’s name for the Tiggers? At least we won’t have to worry about them after the election.
    Hard to believe it was little over 6 months ago that PBers thought Chuka and the gang were about to spend a new dawn standing on the shoulders of giants
    Really? I don't recall that being the reaction.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,743
    Foxy said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Some of us remember Rod Crosby too.

    I wish we still had him now.

    He was better than any of us at modelling and predicting elections and got both GE2010 and GE2015 right.
    No matter how many times he was warned, he continued in Holocaust denial. Now that is full on anti-semitism, not the much milderstuff that is bandied about in the last few weeks.
    Plus he used to slip in Hitler references in occasional posts. I bow to nobody in my admiration of @RodCrosby 's modelling skills and predictive power: he was one of the best we've ever had. But his Hitler idolatry did rather intrude. It's the Matthew Goodwin problem: good analyst, bad advocate.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Foxy said:

    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    It is not quite right. Boris's comment was aimed at males, and intended to be insulting by implying that females are inferior, and so are those who do their homework. Ditto big girls blouse.
    Yes, just what I'm saying. It's taking the use of girly as an insult towards Cameron and diverting it to a compliment towards educated women everywhere.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,434
    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.
    I was told that the Girly Swot jibe comes up an awful lot in focus groups (and not just the ones run by the Tories.)

    There's an entire group of women who generally voted Conservative but can be described as Boris sceptic, whilst Corbyn is the alternative Boris Johnson is fine, but I suspect Jo Swinson is playing the long game for the election after next.
    She’ll have to given she’s blown this one.
    A boxing contest between the leaders would get 35 million more viewers than them droning on in live debates; plus all the betting opportunities. I think JC would be a rank outsider.

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    StuartDickson said:

    SNP drifting in Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk (Con Maj = 11,060)

    Con 1/3
    SNP 11/4
    Bxp 50/1
    LD 50/1
    Lab 100/1

    Note: the Liberal Democrats held this seat from the 1960s until 2015. They are now 50/1. Times change.

    Ludicrously generous odds on Con. Should be 1/10 at the longest.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,924
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.
    I was told that the Girly Swot jibe comes up an awful lot in focus groups (and not just the ones run by the Tories.)

    There's an entire group of women who generally voted Conservative but can be described as Boris sceptic, whilst Corbyn is the alternative Boris Johnson is fine, but I suspect Jo Swinson is playing the long game for the election after next.
    'Girly Swot' is a good moniker in my view, in fact I think its an inspired phrase.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,874
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Overview of Notts seats - the blog is historically left-leaning and anti-Soubry, now less so, but after the playful discussion of the ex-BXP candidate this one is more about other seats and quite neutral in flavour.

    https://beestonia.wordpress.com/2019/11/13/beestonia-election19-special-day-minus-31-brexit-bottlers-notts-constituency-round-up/

    The only 3 Nottinghamshire seats that will not be Blue after the election are the three Nottingham city seats. And even there there will be big cuts in the majorities.
    Gedling goes blue?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Casino_Royale said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
    Boris can pull it off, no pun intended. He can make a jibe seem fun and light-hearted.

    This just comes across as irritable and passive-aggressive.

    It doesn’t work.
    It’s a disgrace when the UK PM resorts to such language in political debate it is neither fun or light hearted it’s disgusting. I can and do call corbyn a variety of names but I’m not PM, it political games of the worst order. The fact that he, in the end didn’t, shows it was a political ploy. How low can the man stoop?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,080
    Casino_Royale said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
    Boris can pull it off, no pun intended. He can make a jibe seem fun and light-hearted.

    This just comes across as irritable and passive-aggressive.

    It doesn’t work.
    I don't think it works for BoZo. His lack of dignity and gravitas is losing him votes. Churchill was witty, not puerile.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    DavidL said:

    alb1on said:

    maaarsh said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    If she was sparing someone would have been trying to hit her, which would have made for a more enjoyable photo-opp.
    Not sure it was a great idea, but nothing like as bad as the photo ops of Boris and Gove from earlier this year, where they pretended to be out jogging. Rule number one is that if you are going to do that do not come sprinting back at a pace you obviously could not sustain and do not run with a style which most resembles the opening credits of the Benny Hill Show.
    Let’s face it, all our politicians are ridiculous and go out of their way to make themselves even more so for our delectation. Willies pigs are pretty hard to beat though.
    It is good, although I have grudging admiration for anyone who goes in with pigs. I used to have an opening partner (cricket!) who was a pig farmer. His knees were completely shot by age 40 from large porkers leaning against him. God knows what would have happened to Rennie if that pig had taken a fancy to him instead of the other pig.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    edited November 2019
    Casino_Royale said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
    Boris can pull it off, no pun intended. He can make a jibe seem fun and light-hearted.

    This just comes across as irritable and passive-aggressive.

    It doesn’t work.
    Yes, he can insert onanism into a speech without appearing a wanker himself!

    It's a valuable ability for a PM.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,833
    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
    Boris can pull it off, no pun intended. He can make a jibe seem fun and light-hearted.

    This just comes across as irritable and passive-aggressive.

    It doesn’t work.
    It’s a disgrace when the UK PM resorts to such language in political debate it is neither fun or light hearted it’s disgusting. I can and do call corbyn a variety of names but I’m not PM, it political games of the worst order. The fact that he, in the end didn’t, shows it was a political ploy. How low can the man stoop?
    Er...."Bollocks to Brexit"? You want to talk about the coarsening of politics, look closer to home.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Casino_Royale said:

    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    But, you were already convinced?

    It’s soft Tories she needs.
    But the policy she pushes on this issue is right. Not her tee shirt etc etc any better ideas on how to reduce under 18 violent crime?
    No-one cares about policies of leaders who don’t convince or cut through.
    More fool you
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited November 2019
    alb1on said:

    nichomar said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    LibDems are VERY touchy tonight.....

    No, just this one that has had enough of the Tory tripe that you push out all the time
    Now, now. Please do not dissuade him from posting more tripe. It helps to bring the Tories into disrepute.
    It is Tory tripe? I thought it was just tr......

    Errrrrrr......

    Never mind :D
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    StuartDickson said:

    DavidL said:

    Does anyone else remember swingback? Or does that only work if you have an opposition credible enough to be in the lead?

    Swingback will be a prominent feature of this election, north of the border.

    SCon to SLD swingback.
    I doubt it although some recovery in the Lib Dem vote from the last time is surely inevitable. They did astonishingly well to get the seats they did last time out with the total number of votes received. Some of those votes might come from the SNP. On Brexit at least they are fishing in the same pool.
    The Lib Dems took Scottish seats even as their vote share fell.

    It is now double what it was in 2017, where do you think those voters are coming from given the SNP vote is up?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,316
    DavidL said:

    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.

    Like the "wanker" thing and much else from Johnson - including his original "girly swot" comment.

    If you are offended by juvenile antics from party leaders - and I commend you if so - I suggest you give serious consideration to two who do not indulge in them.

    Nicola Sturgeon. Jeremy Corbyn.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Alistair said:

    StuartDickson said:

    SNP drifting in Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk (Con Maj = 11,060)

    Con 1/3
    SNP 11/4
    Bxp 50/1
    LD 50/1
    Lab 100/1

    Note: the Liberal Democrats held this seat from the 1960s until 2015. They are now 50/1. Times change.

    Ludicrously generous odds on Con. Should be 1/10 at the longest.
    Majority ~21pp. Con down about 7pp in Scotland GE polling, SNP up about 3pp. Volatile seat, with three different parties winning in the last three elections.
    Personally, I'd not risk my money on anyone here. I wouldn't be totally shocked to see it fall.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    MarqueeMark said:

    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
    Boris can pull it off, no pun intended. He can make a jibe seem fun and light-hearted.

    This just comes across as irritable and passive-aggressive.

    It doesn’t work.
    It’s a disgrace when the UK PM resorts to such language in political debate it is neither fun or light hearted it’s disgusting. I can and do call corbyn a variety of names but I’m not PM, it political games of the worst order. The fact that he, in the end didn’t, shows it was a political ploy. How low can the man stoop?
    Er...."Bollocks to Brexit"? You want to talk about the coarsening of politics, look closer to home.
    In what way does bollox to brexit compare to calling an individual a wanker? I can say they both are, as is farage but I’m not PM
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,874
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Overview of Notts seats - the blog is historically left-leaning and anti-Soubry, now less so, but after the playful discussion of the ex-BXP candidate this one is more about other seats and quite neutral in flavour.

    https://beestonia.wordpress.com/2019/11/13/beestonia-election19-special-day-minus-31-brexit-bottlers-notts-constituency-round-up/

    The only 3 Nottinghamshire seats that will not be Blue after the election are the three Nottingham city seats. And even there there will be big cuts in the majorities.
    Beestonia says this is a future Lab MP to watch:

    Nadia Whittome in Nottm East

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/former-meadows-care-worker-selected-3475042
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,874
    Ashworth: "we are not talking about nationalising GPs"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,686
    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.
    I was told that the Girly Swot jibe comes up an awful lot in focus groups (and not just the ones run by the Tories.)

    There's an entire group of women who generally voted Conservative but can be described as Boris sceptic, whilst Corbyn is the alternative Boris Johnson is fine, but I suspect Jo Swinson is playing the long game for the election after next.
    She’ll have to given she’s blown this one.
    Well it depends on when the next election is, if we do get a hung Parliament, or technical Tory majority that is more observed in the breach than observance then we could have another election in 2020.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Foxy said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
    Boris can pull it off, no pun intended. He can make a jibe seem fun and light-hearted.

    This just comes across as irritable and passive-aggressive.

    It doesn’t work.
    I don't think it works for BoZo. His lack of dignity and gravitas is losing him votes. Churchill was witty, not puerile.
    If it is losing him votes that hasn’t shown through yet.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    algarkirk said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.
    I was told that the Girly Swot jibe comes up an awful lot in focus groups (and not just the ones run by the Tories.)

    There's an entire group of women who generally voted Conservative but can be described as Boris sceptic, whilst Corbyn is the alternative Boris Johnson is fine, but I suspect Jo Swinson is playing the long game for the election after next.
    She’ll have to given she’s blown this one.
    A boxing contest between the leaders would get 35 million more viewers than them droning on in live debates; plus all the betting opportunities. I think JC would be a rank outsider.

    JC v BJ would be a contest between endurance and slugging. BJ knockout or JC on points.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,578
    I hadn't realised quite how useless Jon Ashworth actually is. He's being ripped apart by Brillo.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    But, you were already convinced?

    It’s soft Tories she needs.
    But the policy she pushes on this issue is right. Not her tee shirt etc etc any better ideas on how to reduce under 18 violent crime?
    No-one cares about policies of leaders who don’t convince or cut through.
    More fool you
    It’s not about me. I’m describing the behaviour of the electorate.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,874
    Noo said:

    algarkirk said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.
    I was told that the Girly Swot jibe comes up an awful lot in focus groups (and not just the ones run by the Tories.)

    There's an entire group of women who generally voted Conservative but can be described as Boris sceptic, whilst Corbyn is the alternative Boris Johnson is fine, but I suspect Jo Swinson is playing the long game for the election after next.
    She’ll have to given she’s blown this one.
    A boxing contest between the leaders would get 35 million more viewers than them droning on in live debates; plus all the betting opportunities. I think JC would be a rank outsider.

    JC v BJ would be a contest between endurance and slugging. BJ knockout or JC on points.
    But JC doesn't believe in defence, so he would be wide open to a right hook :smiley:
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,924
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.

    Like the "wanker" thing and much else from Johnson - including his original "girly swot" comment.

    If you are offended by juvenile antics from party leaders - and I commend you if so - I suggest you give serious consideration to two who do not indulge in them.

    Nicola Sturgeon. Jeremy Corbyn.
    There must be something wrong in your workings when your answer is such.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,916
    spudgfsh said:

    I hadn't realised quite how useless Jon Ashworth actually is. He's being ripped apart by Brillo.

    He is a slightly more articulate version of Richard Burgon.

    Brillo is taking him to the cleaners.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,874
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DavidL said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Kinda ties in with the bollocks to Brexit meme. Juvenile.
    I was told that the Girly Swot jibe comes up an awful lot in focus groups (and not just the ones run by the Tories.)

    There's an entire group of women who generally voted Conservative but can be described as Boris sceptic, whilst Corbyn is the alternative Boris Johnson is fine, but I suspect Jo Swinson is playing the long game for the election after next.
    She’ll have to given she’s blown this one.
    Well it depends on when the next election is, if we do get a hung Parliament, or technical Tory majority that is more observed in the breach than observance then we could have another election in 2020.
    Yep. See you all for GE Mar/April 2020.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,795
    Casino_Royale said:

    Foxy said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
    Boris can pull it off, no pun intended. He can make a jibe seem fun and light-hearted.

    This just comes across as irritable and passive-aggressive.

    It doesn’t work.
    I don't think it works for BoZo. His lack of dignity and gravitas is losing him votes. Churchill was witty, not puerile.
    If it is losing him votes that hasn’t shown through yet.
    Well, depends where you think he would be without the infantalism.

    You gotta remember he's up against a wretchedly incompetent and unpopular Leader Of The Opposition.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,080
    Casino_Royale said:

    Foxy said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    On the day your leader is making wank jokes at the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition?
    Boris can pull it off, no pun intended. He can make a jibe seem fun and light-hearted.

    This just comes across as irritable and passive-aggressive.

    It doesn’t work.
    I don't think it works for BoZo. His lack of dignity and gravitas is losing him votes. Churchill was witty, not puerile.
    If it is losing him votes that hasn’t shown through yet.
    I think it is. The BXP is shedding votes, but Con isn't nudging proportionally.

    I think Swinson is cutting through in target seats and demographics. That is why LDs are second in the YouGov polls in SE and SW, and EE too.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    spudgfsh said:

    I hadn't realised quite how useless Jon Ashworth actually is. He's being ripped apart by Brillo.

    Sadly most of the labour front bench are equally as good!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,353
    rottenborough said:

    Ashworth: "we are not talking about nationalising GPs"

    Why not? Tory-lite.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    Casino_Royale said:

    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    nichomar said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Noo said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Any aide who suggested this to Margaret Thatcher would have been looking for a P45 pdq. Jo Swinson might have been better to not do it.

    https://twitter.com/PAImages/status/1194591808556355584

    It doesn't even beat Willie Rennie mucking out pigs.

    Why is she wearing a “Girly Swot” t-shirt?

    Again, without being subtle or funny, it’s just a bit juvenile.
    Leaning into the casual sexism from Boris Johnson, co-opting it. It's a confident message. It works for me.
    But, you were already convinced?

    It’s soft Tories she needs.
    But the policy she pushes on this issue is right. Not her tee shirt etc etc any better ideas on how to reduce under 18 violent crime?
    No-one cares about policies of leaders who don’t convince or cut through.
    More fool you
    It’s not about me. I’m describing the behaviour of the electorate.
    Casino_Royal speaks for the people. Only s/he really knows the deep currents of the electorate, and the tiny vibrations of hour-to-hour events. We're so lucky to have his/her wisdom.
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