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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,183

    egg said:

    Edit. I think Mogg might be in trouble in his seat

    LibDems would need a 26% swing and it's *only* 18% on the two Survation seats released today

    Well, the Moggster is doing everything he can. The Tories would be wise to lock him in the crypt until Dec 13th.
    Why only until then?
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050

    tyson said:

    Now Tom Watson has gone...I wonder if Caroline Flint will set her eyes on the deputy post??

    I voted for her last time.
    So did I comrade...mainly because I thought she was quite fit which is perhaps not the best reason....


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    Enough of these unlikely seats are close enough that one has to come in you’d think?
    My guess is that results will be patchy and wildly unpredictable, often contradictory in fact.

    Redwood might well go. Wokingham is a pretty remainish seat, and the guy really is from a different planet.
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    Byronic said:

    Wokingham is exactly the kind of seat where the BXP will come under intense pressure to step aside.

    The MP is John Redwood, FFS. The first Brexiteer and a Majorite Bastard. If the BXP stand there then they have zero interest in any real Brexit and are indeed actively conspiring against it.

    I predict they won't stand. And Redwood will win.
    Farage has been a pro-Labour agent-provocateur ever since he left the Tory Party.
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749

    egg said:

    Edit. I think Mogg might be in trouble in his seat

    LibDems would need a 26% swing and it's *only* 18% on the two Survation seats released today

    Well, the Moggster is doing everything he can. The Tories would be wise to lock him in the crypt until Dec 13th.
    It’s just got that feel about it, where you are looking elsewhere because polls suggested it safe, yet signs are its becoming less solid Tory electorate, like Bath 92.
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    ydoethur said:

    egg said:

    Edit. I think Mogg might be in trouble in his seat

    LibDems would need a 26% swing and it's *only* 18% on the two Survation seats released today

    Well, the Moggster is doing everything he can. The Tories would be wise to lock him in the crypt until Dec 13th.
    Why only until then?
    Even the undead deserve some sympathy.
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    I look forward to the SNP and LibDems holding the whip hand which means no progress on anything and a May 2020 election
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Definitely looking forward to Casino Royale "holding me responsible" after the GE

    Another woodlouse crawls out from under his rock, fawned over by his three sad sack likers.
    Ugh those damn lefties! It must be their fault that you're so unhappy all the time!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,183

    ydoethur said:

    egg said:

    Edit. I think Mogg might be in trouble in his seat

    LibDems would need a 26% swing and it's *only* 18% on the two Survation seats released today

    Well, the Moggster is doing everything he can. The Tories would be wise to lock him in the crypt until Dec 13th.
    Why only until then?
    Even the undead deserve some sympathy.
    Yes, but we’re not talking about them, we’re talking about a Moggster.
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Byronic said:

    tyson said:

    Noo said:

    Byronic said:

    Christ. Check the litany of abuse, scorn, contempt and foul-mouthed contumely heaped over the name of Tom Watson on Twitter. And all from fellow members of the Labour Party.
    No wonder he's quit.

    Twitter's full of a bots purporting to be people they aren't. Don't pay any attention to it.
    Not saying it's necessarily unrepresentative but caveat twittor
    Alistair said:

    Does anyone have 2005 per constituency results?

    Wikipedia if you're after a few constituencies. If you're after all of them in one swoop, not sure about that.
    Not just Twitter, Noo. Even on PB we have come across the occasional imposter.
    We usually have a better class of imposter.
    I was parodied for a time on Guido's site by some imposter.....
    Byronic is doing his level best to parady Sean Thomas...he's gone to such lengths he usually pitches up at the same times, uses the same vernacular, occasionally veers off into leeriness....he's a very fucking good imposter indeed......
    It's a flattering comparison, but I don't think I really match the great man himself, the King of PB, the one, the only, the brilliant, the witty and inimitable SeanT, Peace Be Upon Him.
    He was truly a titan. The world seems a pinched and craven place without him. Almost bleached of life.
    But if Mr Byronic is indeed going to shoot off to the South Pole for a few weeks to do some male modelling, is it possible the the one and only ST will dare to show his face here again while he is away?
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Ishmael_Z said:

    egg said:

    Byronic said:
    Corbyns letter clearly pre written. And it does time beautifully with Boris launch.

    But this being election fever everyone entitled to believe inside their bubble, not accept truth. 😀

    Quite good way to pass the dark nights, December elections, eh?
    But Watson cuts both ways - dead cats both the Boris launch, and the Rees Mogg Cairns Bridgen stuff. Who is to say whether this net damages or helps the Tories?
    Exactly. It depends how it develops.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,804
    edited November 2019
    I sense a Lib-Dem bar chart in 5...4...3...2...1 :D
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,724

    Noo said:

    Byronic said:

    Christ. Check the litany of abuse, scorn, contempt and foul-mouthed contumely heaped over the name of Tom Watson on Twitter. And all from fellow members of the Labour Party.

    No wonder he's quit.

    Twitter's full of a bots purporting to be people they aren't. Don't pay any attention to it.
    Not saying it's necessarily unrepresentative but caveat twittor
    Alistair said:

    Does anyone have 2005 per constituency results?

    Wikipedia if you're after a few constituencies. If you're after all of them in one swoop, not sure about that.
    Not just Twitter, Noo. Even on PB we have come across the occasional imposter.
    Thinks.
    It's @MikeSmithson , isn't it?... :)
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    JohnO said:

    No disrespect to Survation but individual constituency polling is fraught with difficulties and is often woefully wide of the mark. Who can forget the Great Ashcroft Debacle in 2015?

    Yikes, poll of 405 people. MoE @95% is 4.9%, and@99% it's 6.4%. The latter is worth considering imo - we're going to have a whole bundle of constituency polls and inevitably a few will be in the latter confidence interval.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,804
    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wokingham is exactly the kind of seat where the BXP will come under intense pressure to step aside.

    The MP is John Redwood, FFS. The first Brexiteer and a Majorite Bastard. If the BXP stand there then they have zero interest in any real Brexit and are indeed actively conspiring against it.

    I predict they won't stand. And Redwood will win.
    If Redwood isn't a strong enough Brexiteer then there is nobody strong enough.

    Farage is an ego. That's all he cares about, he doesn't care about the election.
    Farage is a fucking idiot. He is risking everything out of vanity. This will not work out well in the end.
    If Farage blows Brexit he may end up being run out of the country by his fans... (not literally but you get the idea)
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    viewcode said:

    Noo said:

    Byronic said:

    Christ. Check the litany of abuse, scorn, contempt and foul-mouthed contumely heaped over the name of Tom Watson on Twitter. And all from fellow members of the Labour Party.

    No wonder he's quit.

    Twitter's full of a bots purporting to be people they aren't. Don't pay any attention to it.
    Not saying it's necessarily unrepresentative but caveat twittor
    Alistair said:

    Does anyone have 2005 per constituency results?

    Wikipedia if you're after a few constituencies. If you're after all of them in one swoop, not sure about that.
    Not just Twitter, Noo. Even on PB we have come across the occasional imposter.
    Thinks.
    It's @MikeSmithson , isn't it?... :)
    Never been seen in the same room as SeanT, apparently.
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    I look forward to the SNP and LibDems holding the whip hand which means no progress on anything and a May 2020 election

    I predicted March/April 2020 on here a week or so.
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    As an ardent Remainer sorry to see Tom Watson go. His letter though will be bitterly disappointing to the media who wanted it to be an anti Corbyn tirade .

    Both parties are losing some big characters.
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749
    PClipp said:

    Byronic said:

    tyson said:

    Noo said:

    Byronic said:

    Christ. Check the litany of abuse, scorn, contempt and foul-mouthed contumely heaped over the name of Tom Watson on Twitter. And all from fellow members of the Labour Party.
    No wonder he's quit.

    Twitter's full of a bots purporting to be people they aren't. Don't pay any attention to it.
    Not saying it's necessarily unrepresentative but caveat twittor
    Alistair said:

    Does anyone have 2005 per constituency results?

    Wikipedia if you're after a few constituencies. If you're after all of them in one swoop, not sure about that.
    Not just Twitter, Noo. Even on PB we have come across the occasional imposter.
    We usually have a better class of imposter.
    I was parodied for a time on Guido's site by some imposter.....
    Byronic is doing his level best to parady Sean Thomas...he's gone to such lengths he usually pitches up at the same times, uses the same vernacular, occasionally veers off into leeriness....he's a very fucking good imposter indeed......
    It's a flattering comparison, but I don't think I really match the great man himself, the King of PB, the one, the only, the brilliant, the witty and inimitable SeanT, Peace Be Upon Him.
    He was truly a titan. The world seems a pinched and craven place without him. Almost bleached of life.
    But if Mr Byronic is indeed going to shoot off to the South Pole for a few weeks to do some male modelling, is it possible the the one and only ST will dare to show his face here again while he is away?
    Hope not. If he was going to come back, he wouldn’t have been able to miss the excitement of all this this far, it’s right up his street, even the self moderated of us are putting our life on hold to post half crazed, sleep deprived gonzo.

    And with that, I really do need to feed the kids now and put them to bed.
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    Andrew said:

    JohnO said:

    No disrespect to Survation but individual constituency polling is fraught with difficulties and is often woefully wide of the mark. Who can forget the Great Ashcroft Debacle in 2015?

    Yikes, poll of 405 people. MoE @95% is 4.9%, and@99% it's 6.4%. The latter is worth considering imo - we're going to have a whole bundle of constituency polls and inevitably a few will be in the latter confidence interval.
    Of course. They aren't accurate. However, if you look at polls as means of identifying trends - and then promoting / causing actions based on that, all things are possible. Blair absolutely should not have seen Twigg defeat Portillo. And yet with momentum going people stared wondering which of the bastards they could remove if they thought hard enough...
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    Chris Williamson leaves Labour to stand in Derby North

    https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1192192053612077065?s=20
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    If the Tories are close to their tally in 2017 overall and are down sharply in seats like South Cambridgeshire and Wokingham, they must be up in other seats elsewhere...
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,724

    viewcode said:

    Noo said:

    Byronic said:

    Christ. Check the litany of abuse, scorn, contempt and foul-mouthed contumely heaped over the name of Tom Watson on Twitter. And all from fellow members of the Labour Party.

    No wonder he's quit.

    Twitter's full of a bots purporting to be people they aren't. Don't pay any attention to it.
    Not saying it's necessarily unrepresentative but caveat twittor
    Alistair said:

    Does anyone have 2005 per constituency results?

    Wikipedia if you're after a few constituencies. If you're after all of them in one swoop, not sure about that.
    Not just Twitter, Noo. Even on PB we have come across the occasional imposter.
    Thinks.
    It's @MikeSmithson , isn't it?... :)
    Never been seen in the same room as SeanT, apparently.
    They do look very similar :)
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    Chris Williamson leaves Labour to stand in Derby North

    https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1192192053612077065?s=20

    Zoomer vote to him, BXP and LDs taking votes, should go Tory then.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    nichomar said:

    Charles said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Edit- It looks like a first by a landslide too!

    What are your views on Rees Mogg?
    Can anybody defend him? Surely better to move on, he is apparently regarded as a good constituency MP despite being a privileged twat but that’s up to the people of NES.
    TFS is a fireman, hence my curiousity
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Well, well, well. It's a full clear out. You could make a half-decent administration from the people retiring.
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    GIN1138 said:

    I sense a Lib-Dem bar chart in 5...4...3...2...1 :D
    That’s why the Lib-Dems are doing it I assume. I also expect that any which don’t show massive swings to them will be quietly ignored...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,055
    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wokingham is exactly the kind of seat where the BXP will come under intense pressure to step aside.

    The MP is John Redwood, FFS. The first Brexiteer and a Majorite Bastard. If the BXP stand there then they have zero interest in any real Brexit and are indeed actively conspiring against it.

    I predict they won't stand. And Redwood will win.
    If Redwood isn't a strong enough Brexiteer then there is nobody strong enough.

    Farage is an ego. That's all he cares about, he doesn't care about the election.
    Farage is a fucking idiot. He is risking everything out of vanity. This will not work out well in the end.
    Farage is smart. He sees his future as a Le Pen/Salvini figure who works within the EU rather than from the outside. He also knows that Johnson’s deal won’t bring closure.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,804
    She could follow in Ed's footsteps and do Strictly next year.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Andrew said:

    JohnO said:

    No disrespect to Survation but individual constituency polling is fraught with difficulties and is often woefully wide of the mark. Who can forget the Great Ashcroft Debacle in 2015?

    Yikes, poll of 405 people. MoE @95% is 4.9%, and@99% it's 6.4%. The latter is worth considering imo - we're going to have a whole bundle of constituency polls and inevitably a few will be in the latter confidence interval.
    Of course. They aren't accurate. However, if you look at polls as means of identifying trends - and then promoting / causing actions based on that, all things are possible. Blair absolutely should not have seen Twigg defeat Portillo. And yet with momentum going people stared wondering which of the bastards they could remove if they thought hard enough...
    They would identify trends, if the LibDems were publishing all their Survation polls. They are not obliged to do that.

    They are (most likely) only publishing the favourable ones.

    Hence, the constituency polls have to be seen through this enormous selection bias.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    JohnO said:

    No disrespect to Survation but individual constituency polling is fraught with difficulties and is often woefully wide of the mark. Who can forget the Great Ashcroft Debacle in 2015?

    He was (mostly) spot on in Scotland.
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    nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453

    I look forward to the SNP and LibDems holding the whip hand which means no progress on anything and a May 2020 election

    I look forward to Labour receiving an absolute pasting. My rough estimate for now:

    Cons 340ish Lab 190ish Libs 40 SNP40
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wokingham is exactly the kind of seat where the BXP will come under intense pressure to step aside.

    The MP is John Redwood, FFS. The first Brexiteer and a Majorite Bastard. If the BXP stand there then they have zero interest in any real Brexit and are indeed actively conspiring against it.

    I predict they won't stand. And Redwood will win.
    If Redwood isn't a strong enough Brexiteer then there is nobody strong enough.

    Farage is an ego. That's all he cares about, he doesn't care about the election.
    Farage is a fucking idiot. He is risking everything out of vanity. This will not work out well in the end.
    Here's hoping! :wink:
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,079

    Andrew said:

    JohnO said:

    No disrespect to Survation but individual constituency polling is fraught with difficulties and is often woefully wide of the mark. Who can forget the Great Ashcroft Debacle in 2015?

    Yikes, poll of 405 people. MoE @95% is 4.9%, and@99% it's 6.4%. The latter is worth considering imo - we're going to have a whole bundle of constituency polls and inevitably a few will be in the latter confidence interval.
    Of course. They aren't accurate. However, if you look at polls as means of identifying trends - and then promoting / causing actions based on that, all things are possible. Blair absolutely should not have seen Twigg defeat Portillo. And yet with momentum going people stared wondering which of the bastards they could remove if they thought hard enough...
    They would identify trends, if the LibDems were publishing all their Survation polls. They are not obliged to do that.

    They are (most likely) only publishing the favourable ones.

    Hence, the constituency polls have to be seen through this enormous selection bias.
    Welcome to politics.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    So, if Labour lose (as the polls suggest) the left are going to be vicious in defence of Corbyn who may still yet resign. They will blame Starmer/Thornberry for the loss. It is going to be interesting to see an early signs of potential successors positioning themselves by distancing themselves from the Brexit position.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105

    Watson should have gone with Chuka and co. If Watson had gone rather than staying behind and encouraging everyone else to stay too there might have been a sensible alternative to Corbyn's Labour.

    We would be looking at very different politics now if he had.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,599

    Chris Williamson leaves Labour to stand in Derby North

    https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1192192053612077065?s=20

    What a fucking dickhead.
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    Conservative selections tonight

    Milton Keynes North:Ben Everitt. He's Cllr Great Brickhill and Newton Longville in Aylesbury Vale

    Loughborough: Jane Hunt. Charnwood Cllr. Works for Nicky Morgan

    Broadland: Nick Conrad. BBC Norfolk Radio presenter
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,055
    edited November 2019
    GIN1138 said:

    She could follow in Ed's footsteps and do Strictly next year.
    They could have an amendment dance off. Cooper-Boles versus Kyle-Wilson, and a solo special of Grieve versus Letwin.
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    At least this is honest. Williamson does not represent anything that most of us would recognise as the Labour party.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,183
    Blimey.

    If Williamson hadn’t resigned, he would surely have been thrown out for the extraordinary outpouring of racism in his resignation letter. Positively Irvingesque.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050

    Chris Williamson leaves Labour to stand in Derby North

    https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1192192053612077065?s=20

    What a fucking dickhead.

    What can you say...? The guy is a wanker with a capital W
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    Conservative selections tonight

    Milton Keynes North:Ben Everitt. He's Cllr Great Brickhill and Newton Longville in Aylesbury Vale

    Loughborough: Jane Hunt. Charnwood Cllr. Works for Nicky Morgan

    Broadland: Nick Conrad. BBC Norfolk Radio presenter

    Conrad is another disaster waiting to happen.
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    ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    edited November 2019

    At least this is honest. Williamson does not represent anything that most of us would recognise as the Labour party.


    At least this is honest. Williamson does not represent anything that most of us would recognise as the Labour party.

    But he was Corbyn's pal?
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688

    Watson should have gone with Chuka and co. If Watson had gone rather than staying behind and encouraging everyone else to stay too there might have been a sensible alternative to Corbyn's Labour.

    We would be looking at very different politics now if he had.
    I don't think some of you are taking as seriously as you ought just how tainted (toxic) Watson had become because of his self-interested promotion of Carl Beech aka. Nick.

    There was a clamour for him to resign over Beech and he should have done so.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    I don't know, I go out to the neighbours* for a lovely meal and come back to Watson throwing in the towel.

    However bad is Labour's internal polling in the Midlands?

    * He is 91 next month, she is a couple of years younger and recently fought off cancer - not remission, gone. She made duck and the finest Bakewell tart you could very want. We talked politics for a couple of hours. Bless them.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    GIN1138 said:

    I sense a Lib-Dem bar chart in 5...4...3...2...1 :D
    Unusually it might bear passing resemblance to facts
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    After tomorrow (I think) we will not see any more Lib Dem constituency polls.

    The spending limits kick in and boy does constituency polling cost a lot of wonga, IIRC one poll will breach the limit by some distance.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Its not the action of a man expecting good things from the election
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    Jonathan said:

    So, if Labour lose (as the polls suggest) the left are going to be vicious in defence of Corbyn who may still yet resign. They will blame Starmer/Thornberry for the loss. It is going to be interesting to see an early signs of potential successors positioning themselves by distancing themselves from the Brexit position.


    The problem for the lefty, takeover clique...is that after McDonnell they do not possess anyone in their ranks with any kind of anything.....Corbyn is their last hope....and he's a fucking old duffer.....

    McDonnell IMO opinion will go on manoeuvres and anoint a Keir or Emily when he continues to hold the purse strings......
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,599
    So I guess the upside will be when all of the Entryists go and support Williamson, either in person or online, they'll be expelled from the Labour Party.
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    ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    edited November 2019

    Watson should have gone with Chuka and co. If Watson had gone rather than staying behind and encouraging everyone else to stay too there might have been a sensible alternative to Corbyn's Labour.

    We would be looking at very different politics now if he had.
    I don't think some of you are taking as seriously as you ought just how tainted (toxic) Watson had become because of his self-interested promotion of Carl Beech aka. Nick.

    There was a clamour for him to resign over Beech and he should have done so.
    Toxic? Watson? have you seen Corbyn's approval ratings? There's toxic.
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    He should have just written 'I'm not an antisemite but this is a plot by those dirty Jews'
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    Extraordinary. I wonder how my own stomping ground of Windsor will fare. Will we see a situation where the Tories are totally kicked out of Berkshire? Boris needs to double his efforts in those old northern coal-mining villages if so.
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    He should have just written 'I'm not an antisemite but this is a plot by those dirty Jews'

    He practically did. Despicable old bigot. George Galloway without the hat.
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    ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    He should have just written 'I'm not an antisemite but this is a plot by those dirty Jews'

    He practically did. Despicable old bigot. George Galloway without the hat.
    Or the cat impressions. Presumably.

    But you never know.....
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    The Wokingham poll is possibly the biggest news today. Suddenly it does seem as though there is a path to another hung parliament despite Labour's travails. Con gains from Lab are still more likely than LD gains from Con because of the percentage swings required, but the LDs do now have five weeks to get their teeth stuck in to Tory southern England.
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    JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,215

    Conservative selections tonight

    Milton Keynes North:Ben Everitt. He's Cllr Great Brickhill and Newton Longville in Aylesbury Vale

    Loughborough: Jane Hunt. Charnwood Cllr. Works for Nicky Morgan

    Broadland: Nick Conrad. BBC Norfolk Radio presenter

    Conrad is another disaster waiting to happen.
    How so? Didn't Clive Lewis also work for BBC Norfolk and he is walking disaster personified.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850
    Floater said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I sense a Lib-Dem bar chart in 5...4...3...2...1 :D
    Unusually it might bear passing resemblance to facts
    Is it another i"magine only LDs ot Tories can win pol"l or a proper one. Maybe it's an "imagine Tory Swinson was not a Tory and didnt have an annoying voice but and I know this is stretching it she is also PM material how would you vote" poll.
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    JohnO said:

    Conservative selections tonight

    Milton Keynes North:Ben Everitt. He's Cllr Great Brickhill and Newton Longville in Aylesbury Vale

    Loughborough: Jane Hunt. Charnwood Cllr. Works for Nicky Morgan

    Broadland: Nick Conrad. BBC Norfolk Radio presenter

    Conrad is another disaster waiting to happen.
    How so? Didn't Clive Lewis also work for BBC Norfolk and he is walking disaster personified.
    Conrad made some very unwise remarks about rape, and threatened a number of female journalists in a very unpleasant way.

    If anyone digs a bit, there's plenty of dirt.
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    Is Williamson running as a National Socialist?

    Got to love him. Does a deal with the Tories on Derby council. Pushes PFI. Becomes a Blairite MP before losing his seat. Becomes not only a Born Again Socialist, but an "I will say anything to promote Corbyn" advocate. Touring the country encouraging Corbynite members to rise up and overthrow their true class enemy (Blairites and other people who do dealso with Tories).

    Then goes too far. Says something awful. Gets defended because He Supports Corbyn. Wins reinstatement, gets immediately suspended again. Draws on the support of Corbyn loyalists to Crowdfund Suing the Labour Party.

    Finally gets deselected and announces he will run against the Labour Party and thus do a deal with the Tories to help them win the seat. Whilst continuing to both claim loyalty to and gain support from supporters of Corbyn.

    Just how stupid are some Corbyn supporters...
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850

    At least this is honest. Williamson does not represent anything that most of us would recognise as the Labour party.
    Very disappointing if he is standing in Derby North make a likely Tory gain into a certain one methinks
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    36 days to go, rolling average Tory lead = 11% (c.f. 18.5% at the same stage in 2017)
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    DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093
    There's a gammon joke about there still being enough ham there to save the king, but I can't quite make it work.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,050
    JohnO said:

    Conservative selections tonight

    Milton Keynes North:Ben Everitt. He's Cllr Great Brickhill and Newton Longville in Aylesbury Vale

    Loughborough: Jane Hunt. Charnwood Cllr. Works for Nicky Morgan

    Broadland: Nick Conrad. BBC Norfolk Radio presenter

    Conrad is another disaster waiting to happen.
    How so? Didn't Clive Lewis also work for BBC Norfolk and he is walking disaster personified.
    And Allan Partridge......

    But comrade, Boris Johnson eclipses all these by a country margin and nobody appears to give a flying fuck.....
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,263
    Has there ever been a GE with so many MPs defecting and standing again as Independents or for another party, or standing down in circumstances that appear other than routine, or being thrown out by their own parties?
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749
    Artist said:

    Looking forward to the Long-Bailey and Pidcock dream team in the next parliament.

    LB certain to be next Labour leader I agree. A sizeable Boris majority Corbyn stand down in January, LB will be labour leader come April. With support of both jez, McD, Unite, Shadow cabinet and momentum it’s the safest political certainty you could ever bet on.

    Not sure about Pidcock getting deputy. Elections to all three posts, leader and the two deputies likely to happen same time in new year, Unions might choose to balance the party ticket, like days of bambi and thumper. Who else is up and coming in the Labour Party but not clearly unite or momentum? Maybe Starmer. older more experienced person to balance the ticket. Starmer and Creasy as LBs first deputy’s

    Instead pidders could shadow something like home office in LBs first cabinet.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    I can't see Williamson getting more than a few hundred votes, even left wing Labour voters would prefer to win the seat than lend him a vote surely.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,592
    Another entertaining and bonkers match in the CL. Kyle Walker in goal for Man City...

    Anything else happening?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850
    edited November 2019

    Conservative selections tonight

    Milton Keynes North:Ben Everitt. He's Cllr Great Brickhill and Newton Longville in Aylesbury Vale

    Loughborough: Jane Hunt. Charnwood Cllr. Works for Nicky Morgan

    Broadland: Nick Conrad. BBC Norfolk Radio presenter

    Conrad is another disaster waiting to happen.
    Anyone know who is standing for Tories in Chesterfield he/she didnt come to Candidate briefing today. An ex Tory Candidate is the BXT party candidate though
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    nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453

    If the Tories are close to their tally in 2017 overall and are down sharply in seats like South Cambridgeshire and Wokingham, they must be up in other seats elsewhere...
    Yes. They are up in Workington.

    And other LEAVE labour seats.
    Alistair said:

    JohnO said:

    No disrespect to Survation but individual constituency polling is fraught with difficulties and is often woefully wide of the mark. Who can forget the Great Ashcroft Debacle in 2015?

    He was (mostly) spot on in Scotland.
    I mean.....
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    tyson said:

    Jonathan said:

    So, if Labour lose (as the polls suggest) the left are going to be vicious in defence of Corbyn who may still yet resign. They will blame Starmer/Thornberry for the loss. It is going to be interesting to see an early signs of potential successors positioning themselves by distancing themselves from the Brexit position.


    The problem for the lefty, takeover clique...is that after McDonnell they do not possess anyone in their ranks with any kind of anything.....Corbyn is their last hope....and he's a fucking old duffer.....

    McDonnell IMO opinion will go on manoeuvres and anoint a Keir or Emily when he continues to hold the purse strings......
    Yes, Long-Bailey's been suggested as his heir, but she's not up to it. I fancy Dawn Butler.
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    egg said:

    Artist said:

    Looking forward to the Long-Bailey and Pidcock dream team in the next parliament.

    LB certain to be next Labour leader I agree. A sizeable Boris majority Corbyn stand down in January, LB will be labour leader come April. With support of both jez, McD, Unite, Shadow cabinet and momentum it’s the safest political certainty you could ever bet on.

    Not sure about Pidcock getting deputy. Elections to all three posts, leader and the two deputies likely to happen same time in new year, Unions might choose to balance the party ticket, like days of bambi and thumper. Who else is up and coming in the Labour Party but not clearly unite or momentum? Maybe Starmer. older more experienced person to balance the ticket. Starmer and Creasy as LBs first deputy’s

    Instead pidders could shadow something like home office in LBs first cabinet.
    Labour are mad enough to elect Pidcock as leader.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,231
    Are we expecting any polls tonight?
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    Dadge said:

    tyson said:

    Jonathan said:

    So, if Labour lose (as the polls suggest) the left are going to be vicious in defence of Corbyn who may still yet resign. They will blame Starmer/Thornberry for the loss. It is going to be interesting to see an early signs of potential successors positioning themselves by distancing themselves from the Brexit position.


    The problem for the lefty, takeover clique...is that after McDonnell they do not possess anyone in their ranks with any kind of anything.....Corbyn is their last hope....and he's a fucking old duffer.....

    McDonnell IMO opinion will go on manoeuvres and anoint a Keir or Emily when he continues to hold the purse strings......
    Yes, Long-Bailey's been suggested as his heir, but she's not up to it. I fancy Dawn Butler.
    Butler? Has she ever actually spoken in public?
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    Dadge said:

    tyson said:

    Jonathan said:

    So, if Labour lose (as the polls suggest) the left are going to be vicious in defence of Corbyn who may still yet resign. They will blame Starmer/Thornberry for the loss. It is going to be interesting to see an early signs of potential successors positioning themselves by distancing themselves from the Brexit position.


    The problem for the lefty, takeover clique...is that after McDonnell they do not possess anyone in their ranks with any kind of anything.....Corbyn is their last hope....and he's a fucking old duffer.....

    McDonnell IMO opinion will go on manoeuvres and anoint a Keir or Emily when he continues to hold the purse strings......
    Yes, Long-Bailey's been suggested as his heir, but she's not up to it. I fancy Dawn Butler.
    Yes, but who do you think will be the next Leader?

    *gets coat*
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,279
    edited November 2019

    36 days to go, rolling average Tory lead = 11% (c.f. 18.5% at the same stage in 2017)
    To be honest Ben I do not see any parallels with 2017

    Scotland will see loses for conservatives and labour

    Wales will see loses for labour

    The midlands and north could be a bloodbath for labour

    But so could areas of the south for the conservatives to lib dems

    This election is wholly unique and I am not forecasting it other than the conservatives the largest party at the very least
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541

    After tomorrow (I think) we will not see any more Lib Dem constituency polls.

    The spending limits kick in and boy does constituency polling cost a lot of wonga, IIRC one poll will breach the limit by some distance.

    Though given some of the ... suggestive results we’ve seen today, it’s possible pollsters might have a look at one or two on their own account (or get someone in the media to pay for it) ?

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    nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453

    At least this is honest. Williamson does not represent anything that most of us would recognise as the Labour party.
    Very disappointing if he is standing in Derby North make a likely Tory gain into a certain one methinks
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,231

    At least this is honest. Williamson does not represent anything that most of us would recognise as the Labour party.
    Very disappointing if he is standing in Derby North make a likely Tory gain into a certain one methinks
    Will people really vote for this tosser?
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749

    JohnO said:

    Conservative selections tonight

    Milton Keynes North:Ben Everitt. He's Cllr Great Brickhill and Newton Longville in Aylesbury Vale

    Loughborough: Jane Hunt. Charnwood Cllr. Works for Nicky Morgan

    Broadland: Nick Conrad. BBC Norfolk Radio presenter

    Conrad is another disaster waiting to happen.
    How so? Didn't Clive Lewis also work for BBC Norfolk and he is walking disaster personified.
    Conrad made some very unwise remarks about rape, and threatened a number of female journalists in a very unpleasant way.

    If anyone digs a bit, there's plenty of dirt.
    This is incredible stuff.
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    Hancock is starting to really annoy me.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850
    Artist said:

    I can't see Williamson getting more than a few hundred votes, even left wing Labour voters would prefer to win the seat than lend him a vote surely.

    Absolutely but a few hundred would make all the difference
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    DavidL said:

    At least this is honest. Williamson does not represent anything that most of us would recognise as the Labour party.
    Very disappointing if he is standing in Derby North make a likely Tory gain into a certain one methinks
    Will people really vote for this tosser?
    We might see how many rabid anti-semites there are in Derby.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,850

    Dadge said:

    tyson said:

    Jonathan said:

    So, if Labour lose (as the polls suggest) the left are going to be vicious in defence of Corbyn who may still yet resign. They will blame Starmer/Thornberry for the loss. It is going to be interesting to see an early signs of potential successors positioning themselves by distancing themselves from the Brexit position.


    The problem for the lefty, takeover clique...is that after McDonnell they do not possess anyone in their ranks with any kind of anything.....Corbyn is their last hope....and he's a fucking old duffer.....

    McDonnell IMO opinion will go on manoeuvres and anoint a Keir or Emily when he continues to hold the purse strings......
    Yes, Long-Bailey's been suggested as his heir, but she's not up to it. I fancy Dawn Butler.
    Butler? Has she ever actually spoken in public?
    PB Tories in I hate you Butler mode in GE2020
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541

    Chris Williamson leaves Labour to stand in Derby North

    https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1192192053612077065?s=20

    What a fucking dickhead.
    Yes, but,,,,
    I’m liking the “Onwards”.

    Might steal that for my emails. :smile:
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,804

    Chris Williamson leaves Labour to stand in Derby North

    https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1192192053612077065?s=20

    Derby North should be a CON GAIN especially with the Labour vote now splitting. :D

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    Extraordinary. I wonder how my own stomping ground of Windsor will fare. Will we see a situation where the Tories are totally kicked out of Berkshire? Boris needs to double his efforts in those old northern coal-mining villages if so.
    I'm not sure I quite believe that poll. Seems a bit too good to be true for the LDs as Wokingham was estimated at only 58% remain.

    The Tories fairly comfortably won a local by-election in Maidenhead the other day and Theresa May will I predict win with a reduced majority of 10-15k.

    Berkshire is definitely not as remainy as places like Esher and 3 seats, Slough, Bracknell and Reading West are estimated to have voted leave.
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Wokingham is exactly the kind of seat where the BXP will come under intense pressure to step aside.

    The MP is John Redwood, FFS. The first Brexiteer and a Majorite Bastard. If the BXP stand there then they have zero interest in any real Brexit and are indeed actively conspiring against it.

    I predict they won't stand. And Redwood will win.
    If Redwood isn't a strong enough Brexiteer then there is nobody strong enough.

    Farage is an ego. That's all he cares about, he doesn't care about the election.
    Farage is a fucking idiot. He is risking everything out of vanity. This will not work out well in the end.
    Farage is smart. He sees his future as a Le Pen/Salvini figure who works within the EU rather than from the outside. He also knows that Johnson’s deal won’t bring closure.
    Ha! Today Johnson promised us hundreds of billions brexit dividend once we get brexit done. The central meme of his whole campaign is get brexit done. And you claim Johnson can’t bring closure?
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    egg said:

    JohnO said:

    Conservative selections tonight

    Milton Keynes North:Ben Everitt. He's Cllr Great Brickhill and Newton Longville in Aylesbury Vale

    Loughborough: Jane Hunt. Charnwood Cllr. Works for Nicky Morgan

    Broadland: Nick Conrad. BBC Norfolk Radio presenter

    Conrad is another disaster waiting to happen.
    How so? Didn't Clive Lewis also work for BBC Norfolk and he is walking disaster personified.
    Conrad made some very unwise remarks about rape, and threatened a number of female journalists in a very unpleasant way.

    If anyone digs a bit, there's plenty of dirt.
    This is incredible stuff.
    https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/06/wannabe-tory-mp-condemned-past-remarks-rape-11053369/

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/dec/02/bbc-pressure-sack-radio-norfolk-presenter-rape-comments

    A few examples. Kirsty Strickland, mentioned in the Guardian article, is now a journalist, told her story on Twitter earlier.

    His judgement is poor, to say the least.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,658
    Nigelb said:

    Chris Williamson leaves Labour to stand in Derby North

    https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1192192053612077065?s=20

    What a fucking dickhead.
    Yes, but,,,,
    I’m liking the “Onwards”.

    Might steal that for my emails. :smile:
    Onwards and Upwards, surely

    (Which happens to be the name of a local scaffolding company here in N Dorset)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,804

    Hancock is starting to really annoy me.

    Only starting? :neutral:
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