Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
We’ve got that this time. It’s just that instead of new, radical parties we’ve got the old parties having gone completely batshit crazy.
Re Glasgow Central, I think Alison Thewliss has been one of the more quietly impressive SNP performers and I think she'll definitely be one benefitting from an incumbency bonus.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
You are having laugh Tories. Leave the world's largest free market (which your heroine was instrumental in setting up) and probably wreck the union of Britain in the process.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
Father of the House is not even a formal title, Skinner's disdain for it seems like being a pouty child to me. I feel like Tories are really pumped for Bolsover.
Scotland looked dead to Labour last time but they recovered a bit, as the header notes seats like that are key.
Wales I think they have a good shot with people like Crabb. The Tories flatter to deceive there (unlike the MIdlands).
That Aaron Bastani tweet is a classic of the 'crap predictions' genre. Scottish Political Twitter wheels it out regularly to laugh at it.
Lesley Laird is probably a gonner in Kirkcaldy, but a couple of the seats they hold in Scotland are ultra marginal, so anything could happen if current voter volatility is anything to go by.
Still feel that Ian Murray is likely to be last man standing once again.
Father of the House is not even a formal title, Skinner's disdain for it seems like being a pouty child to me. I feel like Tories are really pumped for Bolsover.
Scotland looked dead to Labour last time but they recovered a bit, as the header notes seats like that are key.
Wales I think they have a good shot with people like Crabb. The Tories flatter to deceive there (unlike the MIdlands).
I wonder if the egregious Dr Peters is regretting telling people they should ‘remember this Tweet?’
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
Yes, if all XR want is Green policies or even radical societal change, if enough want that one of the bigger parties will go for it. Not sure if the Greens will be th receptical, all the parties are much greener than they used to be and the Greens are not really any more likely to get more than 1-2 seats at best.
That Aaron Bastani tweet is a classic of the 'crap predictions' genre. Scottish Political Twitter wheels it out regularly to laugh at it.
Lesley Laird is probably a gonner in Kirkcaldy, but a couple of the seats they hold in Scotland are ultra marginal, so anything could happen if current voter volatility is anything to go by.
Still feel that Ian Murray is likely to be last man standing once again.
Could have been worse. At least he didn’t talk about shattering cyclical paradigms.
On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.
On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.
On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.
Too early to call it clear evidence that is the direction, but if stays that way much longer it looks pretty possible. I do think they'll get up to around 30 seats though.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
No they morphed into gammons
Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)? What feels good about any of them? Nothing, that's what. Old and stale. People only vote for them because they are pretty much all we have. One good thing about Brexit is the complete shitshow that it has turned into has shown up the political parties for what they are-crap, out of touch and facing crises of their own making. Maybe we need a few more years of political chaos to finish them off. It'll probably be better for the country in the long run.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
No they morphed into gammons
Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)?
You seem to have a beef both with our major parties and the language used to describe them.
On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.
Is there any evidence that recent trends in polling can be reliably projected forwards? Serious question by the way. I don't think you can draw a line on a graph and say "here's where will be in a month" without it being basically a total guess.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
No they morphed into gammons
Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)?
You seem to have a beef both with our major parties and the language used to describe them.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
No they morphed into gammons
Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)?
You seem to have a beef both with our major parties and the language used to describe them.
You're bovine a laff, ain't ya?
Surely ewe can’t have thought that was a good pun? It ducks he main point.
On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.
Not yet, but if you want to put up some dosh that says they are you'll have no shortage of takers.
That Aaron Bastani tweet is a classic of the 'crap predictions' genre. Scottish Political Twitter wheels it out regularly to laugh at it.
Lesley Laird is probably a gonner in Kirkcaldy, but a couple of the seats they hold in Scotland are ultra marginal, so anything could happen if current voter volatility is anything to go by.
Still feel that Ian Murray is likely to be last man standing once again.
On current polls (and the complete lack of a recent Scotland only poll is making me wonder if we should all chip together to commission one) suggests that indeed only Murray survives. But the possibility of Unionist tactical voting is always there to save Labour in these ultra marginals.
The SNP vote is basically static, they take these swathes of seats on the incumbent receeding. But tactical voting could keep the incumbent in place even as the SLab national vote plummets.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
No they morphed into gammons
Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)? What feels good about any of them? Nothing, that's what. Old and stale. People only vote for them because they are pretty much all we have. One good thing about Brexit is the complete shitshow that it has turned into has shown up the political parties for what they are-crap, out of touch and facing crises of their own making. Maybe we need a few more years of political chaos to finish them off. It'll probably be better for the country in the long run.
It may be but what will emerge from the chaos? I see my generation, the 60+ people who have, in many ways for the fortunate have had it on a plate having no regard for who comes after them, even if it’s their own family. They are the entitled ‘I know best’ generation unable to appreciate that that they grew up in the ‘middle class elite’ with jobs for life, company pensions and the ability to own property. They are destroying the future by their selfishness and small mindedness but will never have to pay the price or even see the results of their views.
caught up with all the pictures to the events you have kindly been describing on PB for us in work we don’t get to see. Thank you. 👍🏻 Absolutely loved the grand and excited limo cam as Boris went to the palace. Very Trump. Exactly what Winston would have done if alive today.
Then in downing street, what he did promise us is probably the most key pitch in this whole election, hundreds of billions of pounds to flow into the country once we have got Brexit done.
What daft voter would turn money like that down? Look what good the hundreds of billions of Brexit bonus can do in this country, for people on the breadline, in communities the elites in parliament have forgotten about, for health service, for benefits, people with dementia where care chews up all their life savings, for people going hungry, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds Boris has lined up, and we can do all that good work and all of us have tax cuts too and be richer in our pockets. Its insane there are actual people blocking Brexit when our country can be hundreds of billions of pounds richer.
He stood there, he launched his campaign with this promise. What sort of person wouldn’t take Boris up on such a promise?
Game set match Before the archaic Stalinist has even creaked out of bed ? 🆘
People are looking at this election through the lenses of the last election far too much.
It's a real danger, I think. On the other hand, the last election was only 2.5 years ago, and unlike in 2017 there was no earth-shatterimg referendum in between. So perhaps there are more reasons to think there will be similarities with the previous election than usual?
caught up with all the pictures to the events you have kindly been describing on PB for us in work we don’t get to see. Thank you. 👍🏻 Absolutely loved the grand and excited limo cam as Boris went to the palace. Very Trump. Exactly what Winston would have done if alive today.
Then in downing street, what he did promise us is probably the most key pitch in this whole election, hundreds of billions of pounds to flow into the country once we have got Brexit done.
What daft voter would turn money like that down? Look what good the hundreds of billions of Brexit bonus can do in this country, for people on the breadline, in communities the elites in parliament have forgotten about, for health service, for benefits, people with dementia where care chews up all their life savings, for people going hungry, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds Boris has lined up, and we can do all that good work and all of us have tax cuts too and be richer in our pockets. Its insane there are actual people blocking Brexit when our country can be hundreds of billions of pounds richer.
He stood there, he launched his campaign with this promise. What sort of person wouldn’t take Boris up on such a promise?
Game set match Before the archaic Stalinist has even creaked out of bed ? 🆘
What the fuck are you smoking, what brexit bonus that must be the ultimate troll post that I have just fallen for
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Edit- It looks like a first by a landslide too!
I think both Lab and LD should go heavy on the Environment. The youngsters are keen, and there seem to be plenty my age and older at XR demonstrations too. Tories are weak and split on the issue.
I would be interested on your thoughts on the Grenfell fire disaster too.
On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.
Is there any evidence that recent trends in polling can be reliably projected forwards? Serious question by the way. I don't think you can draw a line on a graph and say "here's where will be in a month" without it being basically a total guess.
No, it's not possible or at least unwise. I think you can sometimes do it on the way up - I am pretty sure professional marketers will tell you that a bandwagon effect does exist. You had it with Corbyn or Trudeau where it was clear that they were going to out-perform. But I think it is impossible on the way down. I meant compared to every previous election. The same thing seems to be happening now. I was just checking if I had missed anything to cause a polling drop before I bet.
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Or parties will adopt new policies,
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
No they morphed into gammons
Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)? What feels good about any of them? Nothing, that's what. Old and stale. People only vote for them because they are pretty much all we have. One good thing about Brexit is the complete shitshow that it has turned into has shown up the political parties for what they are-crap, out of touch and facing crises of their own making. Maybe we need a few more years of political chaos to finish them off. It'll probably be better for the country in the long run.
It may be but what will emerge from the chaos? I see my generation, the 60+ people who have, in many ways for the fortunate have had it on a plate having no regard for who comes after them, even if it’s their own family. They are the entitled ‘I know best’ generation unable to appreciate that that they grew up in the ‘middle class elite’ with jobs for life, company pensions and the ability to own property. They are destroying the future by their selfishness and small mindedness but will never have to pay the price or even see the results of their views.
Who knows what will rise from the chaos? Brexit is a sideshow in the grand scheme of things. The planet faces huge challenges over the next decades. It ain't gonna be saved by the likes of Johnson, Corbyn or Swinson, let alone by the likes of Trump, Macron and Xi Jinping. XR and other radical movements like it will gain traction as us oldies die off. The future belongs to my lads, let them shape it. Actually, my lads will mostly be drinking beer, advocating a 3 day week so they can play more Modern Warfare and advocating the use of skateboards as public transport, so perhaps some other kids can step up.
That Aaron Bastani tweet is a classic of the 'crap predictions' genre. Scottish Political Twitter wheels it out regularly to laugh at it.
Lesley Laird is probably a gonner in Kirkcaldy, but a couple of the seats they hold in Scotland are ultra marginal, so anything could happen if current voter volatility is anything to go by.
Still feel that Ian Murray is likely to be last man standing once again.
On current polls (and the complete lack of a recent Scotland only poll is making me wonder if we should all chip together to commission one) suggests that indeed only Murray survives. But the possibility of Unionist tactical voting is always there to save Labour in these ultra marginals.
The SNP vote is basically static, they take these swathes of seats on the incumbent receeding. But tactical voting could keep the incumbent in place even as the SLab national vote plummets.
It's a tough one to call. The Euros saw Lab in fifth nationally (didn't they finish sixth behind the Greens in Edinburgh?).
They are squabbling over a tiny slice of the vote now, with a poor position on Brexit in a Remain voting country, whilst alienating potentially indy curious voters.
But tactical voting is huge in Scotland, and all I can safely predict is a highly entertaining night for the armchair psephologists.
caught up with all the pictures to the events you have kindly been describing on PB for us in work we don’t get to see. Thank you. 👍🏻 Absolutely loved the grand and excited limo cam as Boris went to the palace. Very Trump. Exactly what Winston would have done if alive today.
Then in downing street, what he did promise us is probably the most key pitch in this whole election, hundreds of billions of pounds to flow into the country once we have got Brexit done.
What daft voter would turn money like that down? Look what good the hundreds of billions of Brexit bonus can do in this country, for people on the breadline, in communities the elites in parliament have forgotten about, for health service, for benefits, people with dementia where care chews up all their life savings, for people going hungry, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds Boris has lined up, and we can do all that good work and all of us have tax cuts too and be richer in our pockets. Its insane there are actual people blocking Brexit when our country can be hundreds of billions of pounds richer.
He stood there, he launched his campaign with this promise. What sort of person wouldn’t take Boris up on such a promise?
Game set match Before the archaic Stalinist has even creaked out of bed ? 🆘
What the fuck are you smoking, what brexit bonus that must be the ultimate troll post that I have just fallen for
You saying I running through a field of wheat in my budgie smugglers trolling Boris like he done trolling May?
Boris said it. Boris launched his campaign saying it. Did he not?
Labour have already given up on Wimbledon and are diverting resource elsewhere. I would put LD chances here at least as good as Portsmouth or Leeds NW, both of which I think are much tougher for them than indicated by the markets.
caught up with all the pictures to the events you have kindly been describing on PB for us in work we don’t get to see. Thank you. 👍🏻 Absolutely loved the grand and excited limo cam as Boris went to the palace. Very Trump. Exactly what Winston would have done if alive today.
Then in downing street, what he did promise us is probably the most key pitch in this whole election, hundreds of billions of pounds to flow into the country once we have got Brexit done.
What daft voter would turn money like that down? Look what good the hundreds of billions of Brexit bonus can do in this country, for people on the breadline, in communities the elites in parliament have forgotten about, for health service, for benefits, people with dementia where care chews up all their life savings, for people going hungry, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds Boris has lined up, and we can do all that good work and all of us have tax cuts too and be richer in our pockets. Its insane there are actual people blocking Brexit when our country can be hundreds of billions of pounds richer.
He stood there, he launched his campaign with this promise. What sort of person wouldn’t take Boris up on such a promise?
Game set match Before the archaic Stalinist has even creaked out of bed ? 🆘
What the fuck are you smoking, what brexit bonus that must be the ultimate troll post that I have just fallen for
The Brexit bonus Northern Ireland is getting by staying in the EU Customs Union.
On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.
Is there any evidence that they are?
Until then, the question isn’t meaningful.
Agreed. We’re at the stage of the campaign where anything is possible.
There is no evidence of very much at all, for now.
Remainy Parties: Lab: 36% of Remainers,9% of Leavers Lib: 33% of Remainers, 3% of Leavers SNP: 6% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers Plaid: 1% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers Green: 6% of remainers, 3% of Leavers Total Remainy Parties: 83% of Remainers, 17% of Leavers
Brexity Parties: Con: 17% of Remainers, 59% of Leavers BXP: 0% of Remainers, 22% of Leavers Total Brexity Parties: 17% of Remainers, 81% of Leavers
So there we have it: About 17% of both remainers and leavers are sufficiently unardent (inardent?) to vote for a party offering the opposite of what they voted for in 2016.
i) About 1% voted for other parties ii) I have assumed that labour is a remainy party. iii) I failed the stats module in my degree
If the polls continue to narrow, I predict this will happen across the country. Farage and the BXP will be hard pressed by their own angry voters. They might not be able to hold the line.
Remainy Parties: Lab: 36% of Remainers,9% of Leavers Lib: 33% of Remainers, 3% of Leavers SNP: 6% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers Plaid: 1% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers Green: 6% of remainers, 3% of Leavers Total Remainy Parties: 83% of Remainers, 17% of Leavers
Brexity Parties: Con: 17% of Remainers, 59% of Leavers BXP: 0% of Remainers, 22% of Leavers Total Brexity Parties: 17% of Remainers, 81% of Leavers
So there we have it: About 17% of both remainers and leavers are sufficiently unardent (inardent?) to vote for a party offering the opposite of what they voted for in 2016.
i) About 1% voted for other parties ii) I have assumed that labour is a remainy party. iii) I failed the stats module in my degree
Looking at those figures, I can only say.... and the Tories call Labour tribal ?
Remainy Parties: Lab: 36% of Remainers,9% of Leavers Lib: 33% of Remainers, 3% of Leavers SNP: 6% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers Plaid: 1% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers Green: 6% of remainers, 3% of Leavers Total Remainy Parties: 83% of Remainers, 17% of Leavers
Brexity Parties: Con: 17% of Remainers, 59% of Leavers BXP: 0% of Remainers, 22% of Leavers Total Brexity Parties: 17% of Remainers, 81% of Leavers
So there we have it: About 17% of both remainers and leavers are sufficiently unardent (inardent?) to vote for a party offering the opposite of what they voted for in 2016.
i) About 1% voted for other parties ii) I have assumed that labour is a remainy party. iii) I failed the stats module in my degree
I still don’t think you are a camel with all those humps.
I failed my biology CSE.
Did Boris really come out to the lectern and say he didn’t want an election?
You are having laugh Tories. Leave the world's largest free market (which your heroine was instrumental in setting up) and probably wreck the union of Britain in the process.
Leave the EU with a free trade deal and little threat to Union
If the polls continue to narrow, I predict this will happen across the country. Farage and the BXP will be hard pressed by their own angry voters. They might not be able to hold the line.
I think Farage is beginning to lose many in his party
I am sorry about this. Whilst he made mistakes in his exposures of child abuse he was the only one prepared to put his head over the parapet and without him we would not know about Thatcher being told about Morrison and then promoting him, or about ex-Chief Constable Mick Creedon being ordered not to arrest Janner and ex-DCI Clive Driscoll being removed from the Islington investigation when he wanted to interview Paul Boateng.
Is that such a MASSIVE surprise? The pedogate thing is looming. This way he ducks the worst scrutiny, and gets to damage Corbyn and McDonnell, who he hates.
You are having laugh Tories. Leave the world's largest free market (which your heroine was instrumental in setting up) and probably wreck the union of Britain in the process.
Leave the EU with a free trade deal and little threat to Union
If the polls continue to narrow, I predict this will happen across the country. Farage and the BXP will be hard pressed by their own angry voters. They might not be able to hold the line.
No they will quietly withdraw having been promised WTO brexit by 31/12/20
If Labour are scared of losing WBE they are either completely crazy or in epochal trouble. One of the first signs of hubris in the May campaign was the belief that it was in play.
I think it’s more likely there was some manoeuvring behind the scenes within Labour. That tweet can be read in a number of ways - e.g. ‘I’ll campaign for brilliant Labour candidates, which excludes all the momentum nutters and racists.’
You are having laugh Tories. Leave the world's largest free market (which your heroine was instrumental in setting up) and probably wreck the union of Britain in the process.
Leave the EU with a free trade deal and little threat to Union
Bloody new thread! It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age. We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Edit- It looks like a first by a landslide too!
I think both Lab and LD should go heavy on the Environment. The youngsters are keen, and there seem to be plenty my age and older at XR demonstrations too. Tories are weak and split on the issue.
I would be interested on your thoughts on the Grenfell fire disaster too.
Environmental policies should not involve committing economic suicide by wasting billions each year on measures which will have no discernible benefit. If we decarbonise the whole UK it will make no difference whatsoever to the climate. Natural causes and other countries are the factors beyond our control. Why should we all go back to the dark ages just to make us feel less guilty??
If the polls continue to narrow, I predict this will happen across the country. Farage and the BXP will be hard pressed by their own angry voters. They might not be able to hold the line.
I think Farage is beginning to lose many in his party
It is refreshing to see Farage be exposed for the charlatan he is.
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It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.
Edit- It looks like a first by a landslide too!
Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
No one would be left unscathed.
Unleash Britain's potential?
You are having laugh Tories. Leave the world's largest free market (which your heroine was instrumental in setting up) and probably wreck the union of Britain in the process.
I suppose there’s no chance Islington North could be vulnerable? No, I thought not *sighs heavily.*
Scotland looked dead to Labour last time but they recovered a bit, as the header notes seats like that are key.
Wales I think they have a good shot with people like Crabb. The Tories flatter to deceive there (unlike the MIdlands).
Lesley Laird is probably a gonner in Kirkcaldy, but a couple of the seats they hold in Scotland are ultra marginal, so anything could happen if current voter volatility is anything to go by.
Still feel that Ian Murray is likely to be last man standing once again.
Until then, the question isn’t meaningful.
cutting political satire KLAXON
What feels good about any of them? Nothing, that's what. Old and stale. People only vote for them because they are pretty much all we have. One good thing about Brexit is the complete shitshow that it has turned into has shown up the political parties for what they are-crap, out of touch and facing crises of their own making.
Maybe we need a few more years of political chaos to finish them off. It'll probably be better for the country in the long run.
BREAKING Truro & Falmouth Brexit Party Steps Down to Avoid Splitting Leave Vote https://t.co/WODAST80r4 https://t.co/6Tl486rY2x
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192163164701560833?s=20
The SNP vote is basically static, they take these swathes of seats on the incumbent receeding. But tactical voting could keep the incumbent in place even as the SLab national vote plummets.
Absolutely loved the grand and excited limo cam as Boris went to the palace. Very Trump. Exactly what Winston would have done if alive today.
Then in downing street, what he did promise us is probably the most key pitch in this whole election, hundreds of billions of pounds to flow into the country once we have got Brexit done.
What daft voter would turn money like that down? Look what good the hundreds of billions of Brexit bonus can do in this country, for people on the breadline, in communities the elites in parliament have forgotten about, for health service, for benefits, people with dementia where care chews up all their life savings, for people going hungry, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds Boris has lined up, and we can do all that good work and all of us have tax cuts too and be richer in our pockets. Its insane there are actual people blocking Brexit when our country can be hundreds of billions of pounds richer.
He stood there, he launched his campaign with this promise. What sort of person wouldn’t take Boris up on such a promise?
Game set match Before the archaic Stalinist has even creaked out of bed ? 🆘
https://twitter.com/aldotcom/status/1192152133174468609?s=19
Oh, wait.
I would be interested on your thoughts on the Grenfell fire disaster too.
Actually, my lads will mostly be drinking beer, advocating a 3 day week so they can play more Modern Warfare and advocating the use of skateboards as public transport, so perhaps some other kids can step up.
They are squabbling over a tiny slice of the vote now, with a poor position on Brexit in a Remain voting country, whilst alienating potentially indy curious voters.
But tactical voting is huge in Scotland, and all I can safely predict is a highly entertaining night for the armchair psephologists.
Boris said it. Boris launched his campaign saying it. Did he not?
Tom Watson to quit as Labour deputy leader and stand down as MP
Exclusive: move will reopen debate about party’s direction under Jeremy Corbyn
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/06/tom-watson-to-quit-as-labour-deputy-leader-and-stand-down-as-mp?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Oh wait...
That is a major surprise.
https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1192169894479122433
There is no evidence of very much at all, for now.
Remainers vs. Leavers: Who are the most ardent?
From the YouGov / The Times / Sky Survey Results
Remainy Parties:
Lab: 36% of Remainers,9% of Leavers
Lib: 33% of Remainers, 3% of Leavers
SNP: 6% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers
Plaid: 1% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers
Green: 6% of remainers, 3% of Leavers
Total Remainy Parties: 83% of Remainers, 17% of Leavers
Brexity Parties:
Con: 17% of Remainers, 59% of Leavers
BXP: 0% of Remainers, 22% of Leavers
Total Brexity Parties: 17% of Remainers, 81% of Leavers
So there we have it: About 17% of both remainers and leavers are sufficiently unardent (inardent?) to vote for a party offering the opposite of what they voted for in 2016.
i) About 1% voted for other parties
ii) I have assumed that labour is a remainy party.
iii) I failed the stats module in my degree
Will we ever get back to the days when everything isn't turned up to eleventy stupid?
Which means I think that the NEC would appoint a caretaker.
Is this how Macdonnell wins the prize?
Has he seen the polling in his seat
I failed my biology CSE.
Did Boris really come out to the lectern and say he didn’t want an election?
Will he repeat that again?
https://order-order.com/2019/11/06/truro-falmouth-brexit-party-steps-avoid-splitting-leave-vote/
Whoever wins Portsmouth South has had a good election. Labour hold for value, surely?
I think it’s more likely there was some manoeuvring behind the scenes within Labour. That tweet can be read in a number of ways - e.g. ‘I’ll campaign for brilliant Labour candidates, which excludes all the momentum nutters and racists.’