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Labour will overtake the SNP within 12 months if @LabourRichard wins. Remember this tweet. https://t.co/pnrPdAoAwB

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    twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,077
    edited November 2019
    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Edit- It looks like a first by a landslide too!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    We’ve got that this time. It’s just that instead of new, radical parties we’ve got the old parties having gone completely batshit crazy.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081
    edited November 2019
    Re Glasgow Central, I think Alison Thewliss has been one of the more quietly impressive SNP performers and I think she'll definitely be one benefitting from an incumbency bonus.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Andrew Neil tucks into an Andy MacDonald souffle to follow his Zadawi sandwich
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    Definitely looking forward to Casino Royale "holding me responsible" after the GE
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    Andrew Neil tucks into an Andy MacDonald souffle to follow his Zadawi sandwich

    Perhaps Neil could interview every Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet member over consecutive nights.

    No one would be left unscathed.
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    Boris about to go live on Sky
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    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1192160424806027264

    Unleash Britain's potential?

    You are having laugh Tories. Leave the world's largest free market (which your heroine was instrumental in setting up) and probably wreck the union of Britain in the process.

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    On topic, Interesting list. Thanks Alistair.

    I suppose there’s no chance Islington North could be vulnerable? No, I thought not *sighs heavily.*
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Nigelb said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
    No they morphed into gammons
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    Andrew Neil tucks into an Andy MacDonald souffle to follow his Zadawi sandwich

    Perhaps Neil could interview every Cabinet and Shadow Cabinet member over consecutive nights.

    No one would be left unscathed.
    I agree 100% - The finest in the business
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    Father of the House is not even a formal title, Skinner's disdain for it seems like being a pouty child to me. I feel like Tories are really pumped for Bolsover.

    Scotland looked dead to Labour last time but they recovered a bit, as the header notes seats like that are key.

    Wales I think they have a good shot with people like Crabb. The Tories flatter to deceive there (unlike the MIdlands).
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    NooNoo Posts: 2,380

    Definitely looking forward to Casino Royale "holding me responsible" after the GE

    He has a "moron list" and we're all on it :D
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    That Aaron Bastani tweet is a classic of the 'crap predictions' genre. Scottish Political Twitter wheels it out regularly to laugh at it.

    Lesley Laird is probably a gonner in Kirkcaldy, but a couple of the seats they hold in Scotland are ultra marginal, so anything could happen if current voter volatility is anything to go by.

    Still feel that Ian Murray is likely to be last man standing once again.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    edited November 2019
    kle4 said:

    Father of the House is not even a formal title, Skinner's disdain for it seems like being a pouty child to me. I feel like Tories are really pumped for Bolsover.

    Scotland looked dead to Labour last time but they recovered a bit, as the header notes seats like that are key.

    Wales I think they have a good shot with people like Crabb. The Tories flatter to deceive there (unlike the MIdlands).

    I wonder if the egregious Dr Peters is regretting telling people they should ‘remember this Tweet?’
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    Nigelb said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
    Yes, if all XR want is Green policies or even radical societal change, if enough want that one of the bigger parties will go for it. Not sure if the Greens will be th receptical, all the parties are much greener than they used to be and the Greens are not really any more likely to get more than 1-2 seats at best.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    That Aaron Bastani tweet is a classic of the 'crap predictions' genre. Scottish Political Twitter wheels it out regularly to laugh at it.

    Lesley Laird is probably a gonner in Kirkcaldy, but a couple of the seats they hold in Scotland are ultra marginal, so anything could happen if current voter volatility is anything to go by.

    Still feel that Ian Murray is likely to be last man standing once again.

    Could have been worse. At least he didn’t talk about shattering cyclical paradigms.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,006
    On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    EPG said:

    On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.

    Is there any evidence that they are?

    Until then, the question isn’t meaningful.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    EPG said:

    On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.

    Too early to call it clear evidence that is the direction, but if stays that way much longer it looks pretty possible. I do think they'll get up to around 30 seats though.
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    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
    No they morphed into gammons
    ^^^^^^^^^


    cutting political satire KLAXON
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Boris about to go live on Sky

    Time to go to anything else as I don’t want to bring my dinner up
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    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
    No they morphed into gammons
    Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)?
    What feels good about any of them? Nothing, that's what. Old and stale. People only vote for them because they are pretty much all we have. One good thing about Brexit is the complete shitshow that it has turned into has shown up the political parties for what they are-crap, out of touch and facing crises of their own making.
    Maybe we need a few more years of political chaos to finish them off. It'll probably be better for the country in the long run.
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    Definitely looking forward to Casino Royale "holding me responsible" after the GE

    He's a baw hair away from offering to meet up with folk in pub car parks.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
    No they morphed into gammons
    Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)?
    You seem to have a beef both with our major parties and the language used to describe them.
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    NooNoo Posts: 2,380
    EPG said:

    On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.

    Is there any evidence that recent trends in polling can be reliably projected forwards? Serious question by the way. I don't think you can draw a line on a graph and say "here's where will be in a month" without it being basically a total guess.
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    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
    No they morphed into gammons
    Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)?
    You seem to have a beef both with our major parties and the language used to describe them.
    You're bovine a laff, ain't ya?
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    Another standing down by TBP

    BREAKING Truro & Falmouth Brexit Party Steps Down to Avoid Splitting Leave Vote https://t.co/WODAST80r4 https://t.co/6Tl486rY2x
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    ydoethur said:

    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
    No they morphed into gammons
    Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)?
    You seem to have a beef both with our major parties and the language used to describe them.
    You're bovine a laff, ain't ya?
    Surely ewe can’t have thought that was a good pun? It ducks he main point.
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    EPG said:

    On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.

    Not yet, but if you want to put up some dosh that says they are you'll have no shortage of takers.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Really interesting thread by @lewis_goodall on Workington. It's worth reading all 10 observations.

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192163164701560833?s=20

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744

    Really interesting thread by @lewis_goodall on Workington. It's worth reading all 10 observations.

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192163164701560833?s=20

    I believe it, but I detest the idea of party bloodlines being the reason somewhere votes a certain way, even metaphorically.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    nichomar said:

    Boris about to go live on Sky

    Time to go to anything else as I don’t want to bring my dinner up
    On a roll tonight, aren't you?
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    Really interesting thread by @lewis_goodall on Workington. It's worth reading all 10 observations.

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192163164701560833?s=20

    Lewes Goodall has strong labour credentials and his reporting needs to be seen in that light
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    Is Skinner definitely standing? Wiki seems to think he is.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    That Aaron Bastani tweet is a classic of the 'crap predictions' genre. Scottish Political Twitter wheels it out regularly to laugh at it.

    Lesley Laird is probably a gonner in Kirkcaldy, but a couple of the seats they hold in Scotland are ultra marginal, so anything could happen if current voter volatility is anything to go by.

    Still feel that Ian Murray is likely to be last man standing once again.

    On current polls (and the complete lack of a recent Scotland only poll is making me wonder if we should all chip together to commission one) suggests that indeed only Murray survives. But the possibility of Unionist tactical voting is always there to save Labour in these ultra marginals.

    The SNP vote is basically static, they take these swathes of seats on the incumbent receeding. But tactical voting could keep the incumbent in place even as the SLab national vote plummets.
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    nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453

    Really interesting thread by @lewis_goodall on Workington. It's worth reading all 10 observations.

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192163164701560833?s=20

    People are looking at this election through the lenses of the last election far too much.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
    No they morphed into gammons
    Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)?
    What feels good about any of them? Nothing, that's what. Old and stale. People only vote for them because they are pretty much all we have. One good thing about Brexit is the complete shitshow that it has turned into has shown up the political parties for what they are-crap, out of touch and facing crises of their own making.
    Maybe we need a few more years of political chaos to finish them off. It'll probably be better for the country in the long run.
    It may be but what will emerge from the chaos? I see my generation, the 60+ people who have, in many ways for the fortunate have had it on a plate having no regard for who comes after them, even if it’s their own family. They are the entitled ‘I know best’ generation unable to appreciate that that they grew up in the ‘middle class elite’ with jobs for life, company pensions and the ability to own property. They are destroying the future by their selfishness and small mindedness but will never have to pay the price or even see the results of their views.
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    Definitely looking forward to Casino Royale "holding me responsible" after the GE

    He's a baw hair away from offering to meet up with folk in pub car parks.
    Fighting or dogging?
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    DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093

    Really interesting thread by @lewis_goodall on Workington. It's worth reading all 10 observations.

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192163164701560833?s=20

    Lewes Goodall has strong labour credentials and his reporting needs to be seen in that light
    Lewes Goodall is from a lot further south than Workington
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749
    caught up with all the pictures to the events you have kindly been describing on PB for us in work we don’t get to see. Thank you. 👍🏻
    Absolutely loved the grand and excited limo cam as Boris went to the palace. Very Trump. Exactly what Winston would have done if alive today.

    Then in downing street, what he did promise us is probably the most key pitch in this whole election, hundreds of billions of pounds to flow into the country once we have got Brexit done.

    What daft voter would turn money like that down? Look what good the hundreds of billions of Brexit bonus can do in this country, for people on the breadline, in communities the elites in parliament have forgotten about, for health service, for benefits, people with dementia where care chews up all their life savings, for people going hungry, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds Boris has lined up, and we can do all that good work and all of us have tax cuts too and be richer in our pockets. Its insane there are actual people blocking Brexit when our country can be hundreds of billions of pounds richer.

    He stood there, he launched his campaign with this promise. What sort of person wouldn’t take Boris up on such a promise?

    Game set match Before the archaic Stalinist has even creaked out of bed ? 🆘
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Ah. I see the left is threatening free speech at a university again

    https://twitter.com/aldotcom/status/1192152133174468609?s=19

    Oh, wait.
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    nunu2 said:

    Really interesting thread by @lewis_goodall on Workington. It's worth reading all 10 observations.

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1192163164701560833?s=20

    People are looking at this election through the lenses of the last election far too much.
    It's a real danger, I think. On the other hand, the last election was only 2.5 years ago, and unlike in 2017 there was no earth-shatterimg referendum in between. So perhaps there are more reasons to think there will be similarities with the previous election than usual?
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    egg said:

    caught up with all the pictures to the events you have kindly been describing on PB for us in work we don’t get to see. Thank you. 👍🏻
    Absolutely loved the grand and excited limo cam as Boris went to the palace. Very Trump. Exactly what Winston would have done if alive today.

    Then in downing street, what he did promise us is probably the most key pitch in this whole election, hundreds of billions of pounds to flow into the country once we have got Brexit done.

    What daft voter would turn money like that down? Look what good the hundreds of billions of Brexit bonus can do in this country, for people on the breadline, in communities the elites in parliament have forgotten about, for health service, for benefits, people with dementia where care chews up all their life savings, for people going hungry, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds Boris has lined up, and we can do all that good work and all of us have tax cuts too and be richer in our pockets. Its insane there are actual people blocking Brexit when our country can be hundreds of billions of pounds richer.

    He stood there, he launched his campaign with this promise. What sort of person wouldn’t take Boris up on such a promise?

    Game set match Before the archaic Stalinist has even creaked out of bed ? 🆘

    What the fuck are you smoking, what brexit bonus that must be the ultimate troll post that I have just fallen for
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,612

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Edit- It looks like a first by a landslide too!

    I think both Lab and LD should go heavy on the Environment. The youngsters are keen, and there seem to be plenty my age and older at XR demonstrations too. Tories are weak and split on the issue.

    I would be interested on your thoughts on the Grenfell fire disaster too.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,006
    Noo said:

    EPG said:

    On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.

    Is there any evidence that recent trends in polling can be reliably projected forwards? Serious question by the way. I don't think you can draw a line on a graph and say "here's where will be in a month" without it being basically a total guess.
    No, it's not possible or at least unwise. I think you can sometimes do it on the way up - I am pretty sure professional marketers will tell you that a bandwagon effect does exist. You had it with Corbyn or Trudeau where it was clear that they were going to out-perform. But I think it is impossible on the way down. I meant compared to every previous election. The same thing seems to be happening now. I was just checking if I had missed anything to cause a polling drop before I bet.
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    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Or parties will adopt new policies,

    Don’t forget the dinosaurs outlasted us by several hundred million years - and are still with us.
    No they morphed into gammons
    Be honest, don't you feel that all 3 main political parties are full of "gammons" (that's a really wanky turn of phrase, by the way)?
    What feels good about any of them? Nothing, that's what. Old and stale. People only vote for them because they are pretty much all we have. One good thing about Brexit is the complete shitshow that it has turned into has shown up the political parties for what they are-crap, out of touch and facing crises of their own making.
    Maybe we need a few more years of political chaos to finish them off. It'll probably be better for the country in the long run.
    It may be but what will emerge from the chaos? I see my generation, the 60+ people who have, in many ways for the fortunate have had it on a plate having no regard for who comes after them, even if it’s their own family. They are the entitled ‘I know best’ generation unable to appreciate that that they grew up in the ‘middle class elite’ with jobs for life, company pensions and the ability to own property. They are destroying the future by their selfishness and small mindedness but will never have to pay the price or even see the results of their views.
    Who knows what will rise from the chaos? Brexit is a sideshow in the grand scheme of things. The planet faces huge challenges over the next decades. It ain't gonna be saved by the likes of Johnson, Corbyn or Swinson, let alone by the likes of Trump, Macron and Xi Jinping. XR and other radical movements like it will gain traction as us oldies die off. The future belongs to my lads, let them shape it.
    Actually, my lads will mostly be drinking beer, advocating a 3 day week so they can play more Modern Warfare and advocating the use of skateboards as public transport, so perhaps some other kids can step up.
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    Alistair said:

    That Aaron Bastani tweet is a classic of the 'crap predictions' genre. Scottish Political Twitter wheels it out regularly to laugh at it.

    Lesley Laird is probably a gonner in Kirkcaldy, but a couple of the seats they hold in Scotland are ultra marginal, so anything could happen if current voter volatility is anything to go by.

    Still feel that Ian Murray is likely to be last man standing once again.

    On current polls (and the complete lack of a recent Scotland only poll is making me wonder if we should all chip together to commission one) suggests that indeed only Murray survives. But the possibility of Unionist tactical voting is always there to save Labour in these ultra marginals.

    The SNP vote is basically static, they take these swathes of seats on the incumbent receeding. But tactical voting could keep the incumbent in place even as the SLab national vote plummets.
    It's a tough one to call. The Euros saw Lab in fifth nationally (didn't they finish sixth behind the Greens in Edinburgh?).

    They are squabbling over a tiny slice of the vote now, with a poor position on Brexit in a Remain voting country, whilst alienating potentially indy curious voters.

    But tactical voting is huge in Scotland, and all I can safely predict is a highly entertaining night for the armchair psephologists.
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749
    nichomar said:

    egg said:

    caught up with all the pictures to the events you have kindly been describing on PB for us in work we don’t get to see. Thank you. 👍🏻
    Absolutely loved the grand and excited limo cam as Boris went to the palace. Very Trump. Exactly what Winston would have done if alive today.

    Then in downing street, what he did promise us is probably the most key pitch in this whole election, hundreds of billions of pounds to flow into the country once we have got Brexit done.

    What daft voter would turn money like that down? Look what good the hundreds of billions of Brexit bonus can do in this country, for people on the breadline, in communities the elites in parliament have forgotten about, for health service, for benefits, people with dementia where care chews up all their life savings, for people going hungry, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds Boris has lined up, and we can do all that good work and all of us have tax cuts too and be richer in our pockets. Its insane there are actual people blocking Brexit when our country can be hundreds of billions of pounds richer.

    He stood there, he launched his campaign with this promise. What sort of person wouldn’t take Boris up on such a promise?

    Game set match Before the archaic Stalinist has even creaked out of bed ? 🆘

    What the fuck are you smoking, what brexit bonus that must be the ultimate troll post that I have just fallen for
    You saying I running through a field of wheat in my budgie smugglers trolling Boris like he done trolling May?

    Boris said it. Boris launched his campaign saying it. Did he not?
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    TOM WATSON HAS QUIT!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    advocating the use of skateboards as public transport.

    Innovative zero carbon solution?
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    alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    Labour have already given up on Wimbledon and are diverting resource elsewhere. I would put LD chances here at least as good as Portsmouth or Leeds NW, both of which I think are much tougher for them than indicated by the markets.
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    Tom Watson gone
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    edited November 2019
    Wow

    Tom Watson to quit as Labour deputy leader and stand down as MP

    Exclusive: move will reopen debate about party’s direction under Jeremy Corbyn

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/06/tom-watson-to-quit-as-labour-deputy-leader-and-stand-down-as-mp?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    Preseli sounds like it should be a shoo-in for the Bus Pass Elvis Party.


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    StreeterStreeter Posts: 684
    nichomar said:

    egg said:

    caught up with all the pictures to the events you have kindly been describing on PB for us in work we don’t get to see. Thank you. 👍🏻
    Absolutely loved the grand and excited limo cam as Boris went to the palace. Very Trump. Exactly what Winston would have done if alive today.

    Then in downing street, what he did promise us is probably the most key pitch in this whole election, hundreds of billions of pounds to flow into the country once we have got Brexit done.

    What daft voter would turn money like that down? Look what good the hundreds of billions of Brexit bonus can do in this country, for people on the breadline, in communities the elites in parliament have forgotten about, for health service, for benefits, people with dementia where care chews up all their life savings, for people going hungry, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds Boris has lined up, and we can do all that good work and all of us have tax cuts too and be richer in our pockets. Its insane there are actual people blocking Brexit when our country can be hundreds of billions of pounds richer.

    He stood there, he launched his campaign with this promise. What sort of person wouldn’t take Boris up on such a promise?

    Game set match Before the archaic Stalinist has even creaked out of bed ? 🆘

    What the fuck are you smoking, what brexit bonus that must be the ultimate troll post that I have just fallen for
    The Brexit bonus Northern Ireland is getting by staying in the EU Customs Union.

    Oh wait...
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    DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093
    shit the bed Watson isn't standing
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    edited November 2019

    TOM WATSON HAS QUIT!

    Wow.

    That is a major surprise.

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1192169894479122433
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586
    ydoethur said:

    EPG said:

    On betting. Is there any evidence that the Lib Dems are not heading for a tactical squeeze and vote share collapse to maybe 10%. Even if they win 20 seats, that seems to be the direction of motion over the last week.

    Is there any evidence that they are?

    Until then, the question isn’t meaningful.
    Agreed. We’re at the stage of the campaign where anything is possible.

    There is no evidence of very much at all, for now.

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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    off topic

    Remainers vs. Leavers: Who are the most ardent?

    From the YouGov / The Times / Sky Survey Results

    Remainy Parties:
    Lab: 36% of Remainers,9% of Leavers
    Lib: 33% of Remainers, 3% of Leavers
    SNP: 6% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers
    Plaid: 1% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers
    Green: 6% of remainers, 3% of Leavers
    Total Remainy Parties: 83% of Remainers, 17% of Leavers

    Brexity Parties:
    Con: 17% of Remainers, 59% of Leavers
    BXP: 0% of Remainers, 22% of Leavers
    Total Brexity Parties: 17% of Remainers, 81% of Leavers

    So there we have it: About 17% of both remainers and leavers are sufficiently unardent (inardent?) to vote for a party offering the opposite of what they voted for in 2016.

    i) About 1% voted for other parties
    ii) I have assumed that labour is a remainy party.
    iii) I failed the stats module in my degree
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    Today feels like about a year's worth of politics.

    Will we ever get back to the days when everything isn't turned up to eleventy stupid?
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    I very nearly wrote about West Bromwich East. Glad I didn’t now.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    TOM WATSON HAS QUIT!

    So itseems
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    ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Another standing down by TBP

    BREAKING Truro & Falmouth Brexit Party Steps Down to Avoid Splitting Leave Vote https://t.co/WODAST80r4 https://t.co/6Tl486rY2x

    If the polls continue to narrow, I predict this will happen across the country. Farage and the BXP will be hard pressed by their own angry voters. They might not be able to hold the line.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,760

    TOM WATSON HAS QUIT!

    Good grief. Why?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Drutt said:

    shit the bed Watson isn't standing

    Wow - the moderates really have lost the party
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586
    camel said:

    off topic

    Remainers vs. Leavers: Who are the most ardent?

    From the YouGov / The Times / Sky Survey Results

    Remainy Parties:
    Lab: 36% of Remainers,9% of Leavers
    Lib: 33% of Remainers, 3% of Leavers
    SNP: 6% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers
    Plaid: 1% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers
    Green: 6% of remainers, 3% of Leavers
    Total Remainy Parties: 83% of Remainers, 17% of Leavers

    Brexity Parties:
    Con: 17% of Remainers, 59% of Leavers
    BXP: 0% of Remainers, 22% of Leavers
    Total Brexity Parties: 17% of Remainers, 81% of Leavers

    So there we have it: About 17% of both remainers and leavers are sufficiently unardent (inardent?) to vote for a party offering the opposite of what they voted for in 2016.

    i) About 1% voted for other parties
    ii) I have assumed that labour is a remainy party.
    iii) I failed the stats module in my degree

    Looking at those figures, I can only say.... and the Tories call Labour tribal ?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    This also means that should Corbyn lose and resign, the Labour Party will have no leader.

    Which means I think that the NEC would appoint a caretaker.

    Is this how Macdonnell wins the prize?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Tom Watson gone

    Great timing - thanks Tom!!!!!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    ydoethur said:

    TOM WATSON HAS QUIT!

    Wow.

    That is a major surprise.

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1192169894479122433
    Tory gain West Bromwich East
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,291
    edited November 2019
    Watson going is huge

    Has he seen the polling in his seat
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    eggegg Posts: 1,749
    camel said:

    off topic

    Remainers vs. Leavers: Who are the most ardent?

    From the YouGov / The Times / Sky Survey Results

    Remainy Parties:
    Lab: 36% of Remainers,9% of Leavers
    Lib: 33% of Remainers, 3% of Leavers
    SNP: 6% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers
    Plaid: 1% of Remainers, 1% of Leavers
    Green: 6% of remainers, 3% of Leavers
    Total Remainy Parties: 83% of Remainers, 17% of Leavers

    Brexity Parties:
    Con: 17% of Remainers, 59% of Leavers
    BXP: 0% of Remainers, 22% of Leavers
    Total Brexity Parties: 17% of Remainers, 81% of Leavers

    So there we have it: About 17% of both remainers and leavers are sufficiently unardent (inardent?) to vote for a party offering the opposite of what they voted for in 2016.

    i) About 1% voted for other parties
    ii) I have assumed that labour is a remainy party.
    iii) I failed the stats module in my degree

    I still don’t think you are a camel with all those humps.

    I failed my biology CSE.

    Did Boris really come out to the lectern and say he didn’t want an election?

    Will he repeat that again?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    Floater said:

    Drutt said:

    shit the bed Watson isn't standing

    Wow - the moderates really have lost the party
    It’s come to quite something when Watson is a ‘moderate.’
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    Boris launches Conservative campaign with a Trump style rally in Birmingham
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586
    ydoethur said:

    This also means that should Corbyn lose and resign, the Labour Party will have no leader...

    Does it have a leader now ?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1192160424806027264

    Unleash Britain's potential?

    You are having laugh Tories. Leave the world's largest free market (which your heroine was instrumental in setting up) and probably wreck the union of Britain in the process.

    Leave the EU with a free trade deal and little threat to Union
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Rees mogg, bridgen and cairns send their thanks Tom
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    ydoethur said:

    Floater said:

    Drutt said:

    shit the bed Watson isn't standing

    Wow - the moderates really have lost the party
    It’s come to quite something when Watson is a ‘moderate.’
    It’s come to quite something when Conservatives can post without intended irony about the moderates really having lost the party.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    Bozo has just given a speech - and Sky are talking about Tom Watson.
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    Byronic said:

    Another standing down by TBP

    BREAKING Truro & Falmouth Brexit Party Steps Down to Avoid Splitting Leave Vote https://t.co/WODAST80r4 https://t.co/6Tl486rY2x

    If the polls continue to narrow, I predict this will happen across the country. Farage and the BXP will be hard pressed by their own angry voters. They might not be able to hold the line.
    I think Farage is beginning to lose many in his party
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    alb1onalb1on Posts: 698

    Wow

    Tom Watson to quit as Labour deputy leader and stand down as MP

    Exclusive: move will reopen debate about party’s direction under Jeremy Corbyn

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/06/tom-watson-to-quit-as-labour-deputy-leader-and-stand-down-as-mp?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    I am sorry about this. Whilst he made mistakes in his exposures of child abuse he was the only one prepared to put his head over the parapet and without him we would not know about Thatcher being told about Morrison and then promoting him, or about ex-Chief Constable Mick Creedon being ordered not to arrest Janner and ex-DCI Clive Driscoll being removed from the Islington investigation when he wanted to interview Paul Boateng.
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    Fantastic Article Alastair.

    Whoever wins Portsmouth South has had a good election. Labour hold for value, surely?
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    ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Wow

    Tom Watson to quit as Labour deputy leader and stand down as MP

    Exclusive: move will reopen debate about party’s direction under Jeremy Corbyn

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/06/tom-watson-to-quit-as-labour-deputy-leader-and-stand-down-as-mp?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Is that such a MASSIVE surprise? The pedogate thing is looming. This way he ducks the worst scrutiny, and gets to damage Corbyn and McDonnell, who he hates.
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    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1192160424806027264

    Unleash Britain's potential?

    You are having laugh Tories. Leave the world's largest free market (which your heroine was instrumental in setting up) and probably wreck the union of Britain in the process.

    Leave the EU with a free trade deal and little threat to Union
    Negotiated in 11 months? Yeah right.
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    viewcode said:

    TOM WATSON HAS QUIT!

    Good grief. Why?
    Yadda yadda 35 years in politics, time for a new challenge.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Byronic said:

    Another standing down by TBP

    BREAKING Truro & Falmouth Brexit Party Steps Down to Avoid Splitting Leave Vote https://t.co/WODAST80r4 https://t.co/6Tl486rY2x

    If the polls continue to narrow, I predict this will happen across the country. Farage and the BXP will be hard pressed by their own angry voters. They might not be able to hold the line.
    No they will quietly withdraw having been promised WTO brexit by 31/12/20
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    Watson going is huge

    Has he seen the polling in his seat

    If Labour are scared of losing WBE they are either completely crazy or in epochal trouble. One of the first signs of hubris in the May campaign was the belief that it was in play.

    I think it’s more likely there was some manoeuvring behind the scenes within Labour. That tweet can be read in a number of ways - e.g. ‘I’ll campaign for brilliant Labour candidates, which excludes all the momentum nutters and racists.’
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    ydoethur said:

    Floater said:

    Drutt said:

    shit the bed Watson isn't standing

    Wow - the moderates really have lost the party
    It’s come to quite something when Watson is a ‘moderate.’
    Yes it does - but there you have it
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    Bozo has just given a speech - and Sky are talking about Tom Watson.

    I like to think Watson's staff were sitting in front of Sky News - 'Right, he's started speaking' *hits send*
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    Maybe nothing will happen for the next five weeks?
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/1192160424806027264

    Unleash Britain's potential?

    You are having laugh Tories. Leave the world's largest free market (which your heroine was instrumental in setting up) and probably wreck the union of Britain in the process.

    Leave the EU with a free trade deal and little threat to Union
    Negotiated in 11 months? Yeah right.
    No by 30/6 when extend needs to be implemented
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    I very nearly wrote about West Bromwich East. Glad I didn’t now.

    Half an hour is a long time in politics.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586

    ydoethur said:

    Floater said:

    Drutt said:

    shit the bed Watson isn't standing

    Wow - the moderates really have lost the party
    It’s come to quite something when Watson is a ‘moderate.’
    It’s come to quite something when Conservatives can post without intended irony about the moderates really having lost the party.
    Mirror images.
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    How long until the blame game starts for Labour?
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Rees mogg, bridgen and cairns send their thanks Tom

    Dead cats being dead catted. The theme of the next few weeks.
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    Foxy said:

    Bloody new thread!
    It won't be at this GE but over the next few, I think we will begin to see a rise of far more radical parties. It won't be Left vs Right. The likes of the Tories ,Lib Dems and Labour will be going backwards. I'm going to predict that XR will become a political party, and the Greens will gain more traction. Young people are becoming more politically aware, Greta Thunberg has become a role model for the youn'g 'uns and there will be wave upon wave of them reaching voting age.
    We're dinosaurs on PB, either got our head down eating grass or in petty squabbles with other raptors. That comet is on it's way, we just can't see it in the glare of the sun.

    Edit- It looks like a first by a landslide too!

    I think both Lab and LD should go heavy on the Environment. The youngsters are keen, and there seem to be plenty my age and older at XR demonstrations too. Tories are weak and split on the issue.

    I would be interested on your thoughts on the Grenfell fire disaster too.
    Environmental policies should not involve committing economic suicide by wasting billions each year on measures which will have no discernible benefit. If we decarbonise the whole UK it will make no difference whatsoever to the climate. Natural causes and other countries are the factors beyond our control. Why should we all go back to the dark ages just to make us feel less guilty??
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    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    TOM WATSON HAS QUIT!

    Wow.

    That is a major surprise.

    https://twitter.com/tom_watson/status/1192169894479122433
    Tory gain West Bromwich East
    Watson had an 8,000 majority. Seems a bit steep for the Tories to take.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,945

    Byronic said:

    Another standing down by TBP

    BREAKING Truro & Falmouth Brexit Party Steps Down to Avoid Splitting Leave Vote https://t.co/WODAST80r4 https://t.co/6Tl486rY2x

    If the polls continue to narrow, I predict this will happen across the country. Farage and the BXP will be hard pressed by their own angry voters. They might not be able to hold the line.
    I think Farage is beginning to lose many in his party
    It is refreshing to see Farage be exposed for the charlatan he is.
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