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Curious that the majority in favour of the 2nd reading and the majority against the programme motion were both larger than the expected range.1
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It’s only just over two years since the last one. And the next one is due in just over two years.FrancisUrquhart said:And back to silly buggery....Lets just have a f##king election otherwise this will still be going on in 2119.
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Oh, and I can't emphasise this enough, fuck off, Ian Blackford0
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Time for No Deal.0
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He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?0
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Why pause debate? If he intends it to pass at some point why not have them debating it a lot - making progress on that might show the EU that a short extension is all that is needed.HYUFD said:Boris says he will accelerate preparations for No Deal and discuss with the EU tgeir response to the extension request of Parliament, glad the House has voted for the Withdrawal Agreement Bill but will pause debate on it due to losing the timetable programme vote
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Hows that going to work mate? Extension is incoming.nunuone said:Time for No Deal.
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Do it Blackford!!!!!!!!!!!!0
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@OblitusSumMe , I didn't get a chance to thank you for your trilemma article over the weekend. I recommended it to an American friend and she thought it was better than CNN.OblitusSumMe said:Labour whip on wrong side of table to have won...
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Can anyone explain why, if he doesn't want any more delay, Boris is delaying this bill?0
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That would have been a very working class sort of death.Gallowgate said:So much for ‘die in a ditch’.
Luxury four poster is what Johnson goes for.0 -
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Can’t its 31/1 or its up to the commons unless EU refusekle4 said:
Just ask for 2 weeks. Then if they vote that down ask for 3 weeks - make it clear whether they are actually seeking time to scrutinise or just don't want to accept any time.williamglenn said:0 -
The second reading was like the Malthouse Compromise: essentially cost-free to vote for.Richard_Nabavi said:Curious that the majority in favour of the 2nd reading and the majority against the programme motion were both larger than the expected range.
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Do points of order actually mean anything? It's not an unreasoned statement really, but a point of order?
Jeremy Corbyn makes a point of order.
"Tonight the House has refused to be bounced into debating a hugely significant bil with barely any notice," he says.
"The PM is the author of his own misfortune.
"So I make this offer tonight
"Work with us to agree a reasonable timetable and I suspect this House will vote to debate this bill.
"That would be the sensible way forward."0 -
Ken seeking 3 or 4 more days
Boris needs to go with it0 -
Ken Clarke asks the prime minister to reconsider pausing the deal, saying he cannot see the logic of pausing progress on it when the Commons is looking for time to debate it
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"We want this Brexit bill to pass into law. But not yet" is what the voters will get out of this.
Wankers! Do it NOW, they scream at their tellies in unison....0 -
There was no chance of it Cumming off.Scott_P said:0 -
Well Ken Clarke doesn't understand it so what chance do we have?Richard_Nabavi said:Can anyone explain why, if he doesn't want any more delay, Boris is delaying this bill?
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Still my favourite Ludlum novel.AlastairMeeks said:
The second reading was like the Malthouse Compromise: essentially cost-free to vote for.Richard_Nabavi said:Curious that the majority in favour of the 2nd reading and the majority against the programme motion were both larger than the expected range.
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308 appears to be the guaranteed vote for the deal then, with the other 10-12 going to need careful handling/incentives to see it through/see off any amendments, when the bill gets going again.AlastairMeeks said:
The second reading was like the Malthouse Compromise: essentially cost-free to vote for.Richard_Nabavi said:Curious that the majority in favour of the 2nd reading and the majority against the programme motion were both larger than the expected range.
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Who’s they?MarqueeMark said:"We want this Brexit bill to pass into law. But not yet" is what the voters will get out of this.
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especially once it was clear the DUP were going to sink the programme voteAlastairMeeks said:
The second reading was like the Malthouse Compromise: essentially cost-free to vote for.Richard_Nabavi said:Curious that the majority in favour of the 2nd reading and the majority against the programme motion were both larger than the expected range.
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It's because he knows that this Remainer Parliament will not allow the UK to leave the EU unless the EU points the gun by refusing an extension. The Parliament will use whatever reason or device or procedure to make sure Brexit does not happen. It's pointless continuing with the WAB. It just won't happen.Richard_Nabavi said:Can anyone explain why, if he doesn't want any more delay, Boris is delaying this bill?
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To an extent, but this time there is at least a real deal acceptable to the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
The second reading was like the Malthouse Compromise: essentially cost-free to vote for.Richard_Nabavi said:Curious that the majority in favour of the 2nd reading and the majority against the programme motion were both larger than the expected range.
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Now I guess we're waiting on whether the EU can stomach a short extension, since the HoC seems to have a comfortable deal majority (even if that's a bit of a mirage, and will likely be chipped away at).
Supposedly the French aren't keen.0 -
No you must be wrong. Boris said we’d definitely leave by 31st October no ifs or buts.humbugger said:
It's because he knows that this Remainer Parliament will not allow the UK to leave the EU unless the EU points the gun by refusing an extension. The Parliament will use whatever reason or device or procedure to make sure Brexit does not happen. It's pointless continuing with the WAB. It just won't happen.Richard_Nabavi said:Can anyone explain why, if he doesn't want any more delay, Boris is delaying this bill?
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LOL at this Tory MP accidentally blowing up Boris's "brand new deal" spin - she said three days were enough for the debate, because "90%" of this deal is the same as the last one...0
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His date? It is the EU's date, pillock. Boris has been simply working to the deadline he inherited.nichomar said:He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?
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I mean Boris ask the Commons for 2 weeks to debate. Then 3, etc. Whatever they agree can be a signal to the EU, who could (I don't think will) offer a date other than 31/1 on the basis that they know how long it will take to pass the legislation now.nichomar said:
Can’t its 31/1 or its up to the commons unless EU refusekle4 said:
Just ask for 2 weeks. Then if they vote that down ask for 3 weeks - make it clear whether they are actually seeking time to scrutinise or just don't want to accept any time.williamglenn said:0 -
That’s a very sharp point.kle4 said:
308 appears to be the guaranteed vote for the deal then, with the other 10-12 needed going to need careful handling/incentives to see it through/see off any amendments, when the bill gets going again.AlastairMeeks said:
The second reading was like the Malthouse Compromise: essentially cost-free to vote for.Richard_Nabavi said:Curious that the majority in favour of the 2nd reading and the majority against the programme motion were both larger than the expected range.
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Boris should have pulled the bill immediately but it is obviously a considered delay, to what end I am not sure other than for public consumption.
The deal will never get through so an extension just long enough for a GE would force Labour to the ballot box.0 -
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Giving us not very much time, then discovering that majority is not as strong as it seemed, would result in them facing another emergency request for an extension or accidentally seeing us no deal. Far safer to stick with 31/1 rather than force any other options.Andrew said:Now I guess we're waiting on whether the EU can stomach a short extension, since the HoC seems to have a comfortable deal majority (even if there's a bit of a mirage, and will likely be chipped away at).
Supposedly the French aren't keen.0 -
Actually the date was chosen by the EU. Whether they are willing to change it is not certain. It is not in our gift. Working towards it makes some sense.nichomar said:He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?
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Just remeber to turn the film off when it obviously ends and don't watch the mad last few minutes that ruin the movie.Scott_P said:
Source CodeTOPPING said:Ok team 10 minutes to suggest a good film for me to watch tonight. Minus points for anyone who suggests BBC Parliament.
Edit: have I ever said one of my favourite films is Four Lions...0 -
Literally everything you have said has been wrong so don’t mind me in simply ignoring all of your predictions.SunnyJim said:Boris should have pulled the bill immediately but it is obviously a considered delay, to what end I am not sure other than for public consumption.
The deal will never get through so an extension just long enough for a GE would force Labour to the ballot box.0 -
The voters who are going to disembowel Labour at the GE.Gallowgate said:
Who’s they?0 -
What, 35% of them?SunnyJim said:
The voters who are going to disembowel Labour at the GE.Gallowgate said:
Who’s they?
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Well, pausing the bill is not working towards 31/10... or any other date for that matter.DavidL said:
Actually the date was chosen by the EU. Whether they are willing to change it is not certain. It is not in our gift. Working towards it makes some sense.nichomar said:He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?
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The 10% is the important difference.Danny565 said:LOL at this Tory MP accidentally blowing up Boris's "brand new deal" spin - she said three days were enough for the debate, because "90%" of this deal is the same as the last one...
We share 96% of our DNA with a chimpanzee.0 -
They are watching a range of other programmers including east Enders, the one show or Netflix waiting for the football only a few, maybe more than usual, are actually watching this blow by blow.MarqueeMark said:"We want this Brexit bill to pass into law. But not yet" is what the voters will get out of this.
Wankers! Do it NOW, they scream at their tellies in unison....0 -
Ian Blackford: "It is the law of the land on the basis of not agreeing a deal that the prime minister is instructed to seek an extension.
Go to Brussels and do as you have been instructed."
Eh? He already has. hasn't he?0 -
Cummings has apparently only ever had a limited grasp of reality. It was a constant running sore at education that he simply didn’t know what was going on, and is presumably one of the reasons his commentaries on it are so inaccurate. I can imagine it would make him a journalist’s nightmare.Scott_P said:
There does seem to be a darkening mood amongst Journalists about Cummings briefing them things that BoZo then doesn't follow throughydoethur said:There was no chance of it Cumming off.
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GetBrexitDone
We will now pause this legislation...
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Nah, the 75% plus who are lining up to smash Corbyn in to dust.Gallowgate said:
What, 35% of them?0 -
Sigh. Give us time, and we'll use it. But at least we have the dates for the next crunch votes which won't approve it for future meetings.williamglenn said:0 -
If they don't get that unanimity, then Parliament has, er, 3 days to pass the laws....williamglenn said:0 -
I think you need a lie down.SunnyJim said:
Nah, the 75% plus who are lining up to smash Corbyn in to dust.Gallowgate said:
What, 35% of them?0 -
They are indeed wankers - if they are screaming that at their telly.MarqueeMark said:"We want this Brexit bill to pass into law. But not yet" is what the voters will get out of this.
Wankers! Do it NOW, they scream at their tellies in unison....
Should such people have a vote that counts the same as mine, do we think?0 -
And the 28% voting LibDem.....Gallowgate said:
What, 35% of them?SunnyJim said:
The voters who are going to disembowel Labour at the GE.Gallowgate said:
Who’s they?0 -
SunnyJim said:
Bill pulled and VoNC by the SNP it is then.
Letwin has blown both his feet off lol.</blockquote
Still want that to become a new word. "You've really Letwined that." meaning done something superficially clever but actually fundamentally stupid and counterproductive.0 -
Is that the best you've got?Gallowgate said:
I think you need a lie down.0 -
Same as 2017SunnyJim said:
Nah, the 75% plus who are lining up to smash Corbyn in to dust.Gallowgate said:
What, 35% of them?0 -
I really don't understand it.Benpointer said:
Well, pausing the bill is not working towards 31/10... or any other date for that matter.DavidL said:
Actually the date was chosen by the EU. Whether they are willing to change it is not certain. It is not in our gift. Working towards it makes some sense.nichomar said:He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?
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Bozo only has himself to blame .
His unhinged obsession with October 31st is getting ridiculous.0 -
Okay, every time he stands up he makes the same tedious 'union delenda est' speech, in the same excruciatingly self-satisfied way, and egregiously turns it into a point of order by asking the Speaker what he needs to do to get Scottish independence. It's a reflection of the utter contempt with which Parliament and doubtless the bulk of the viewers of it hold his interjections that the famously shy and retiring Speaker John Bercow seems fed up with telling him about s30 Scotland Act 1998.Carnyx said:
Come now. Either earplugs or give a rational critique.Drutt said:Oh, and I can't emphasise this enough, fuck off, Ian Blackford
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Been defeated on a programme motion
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2nd reading .... Lab 19 ayes. Ind 25 ayes, inc Hopkins, Lewis, Austin, Field, Woodcock, P Hammond, Milton in there.
No: only really interesting Greening and Hermon.
Abstain: Campbell, Fovargue, Hoey, Madders, Twigg. Also Nokes/Williamson from the Indies
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That's very kind. Thank you for passing it on. How unfortunate that you should do so in reply to a comment of mine that proved to be erroneous!viewcode said:
@OblitusSumMe , I didn't get a chance to thank you for your trilemma article over the weekend. I recommended it to an American friend and she thought it was better than CNN.OblitusSumMe said:Labour whip on wrong side of table to have won...
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