Ok team 10 minutes to suggest a good film for me to watch tonight. Minus points for anyone who suggests BBC Parliament.
Edit: have I ever said one of my favourite films is Four Lions...
12 Angry Men?
Great shout. A film worth watching several times.
It does always exasperate me though that the one person who had done the job properly and considered the evidence carefully is shown as a stubborn holdout rather than as the exemplar.
Do you mean the guy with the glasses? He comes out of it pretty well I think.
There has to be a point where remainer MPs realise they've given overturning the result a good go but the game's up.
If the government pulls the bill and we have a GE then in my view it is very unlikely the composition of the next parliament is going to be as favourable to remainers as this one.
They could vote the deal through and go in to an election on a domestic agenda that actually matters.
A GE is not in the government’s gift.
I'm just amazed people seem to have forgotten what happened literally SIX WEEKS AGO, the last time the government tried to "go for an election".
What are the opposition going to say if there is no "no deal" excuse anymore?
Turkeys don’t need an excuse not to vote for Christmas. Neither do they worry about looking scared. No rational person would, looking at the polls, call an election when they are doing so badly. The turkeys will hope that something comes up in the future. If you’re going to get cooked anyway why not postpone the inevitable.
Politicians aren't turkeys though. They do need to speak. And Labour aren't acting in isolation. The SNP and LDs will look at the polls and think "game on we will gain seats". If Labour are cowards they would be humiliated not just by the Tories but by the SNP and Lib Dems.
If Labour don't stand for having an election to get rid of the Tories then what do they stand for?
They stand for getting rid of the Tories at the first available opportunity. However, the opportunity is not currently available. Why risk giving the Tories another 5 years when for the sake of a few months or even a couple of years they might win? Why should they give battle at a time of their opponent’s choosing when they know they will be humiliated? Better to wait until a time they have the possibility of victory or, at least, there is at least a marginal uptick in the polls. That day may never come before 2022 - but no one Should fight a battle they know they will lose. Wait for the opportunity. The “coward” line is just Tory baiting.
Agreed. I am sure the Tories would want an early election , if behind in the polls.
Well, if as PM you are FINALLY going to win a vote in Parliament, then getting a majority for a Brexit deal you've negoatiated is a pretty good way to get off the mark....
Ha. Whose right?! From the speaker angle or from behind?
I assume that's a loss. Time to see if Boris throws the toys out.
The EU would be within right to offer a short extension on the basis the parliament has approved the principle, but thankfully I don't think they've got the stones for that.
Our national broadcaster says: "MPs have voted to approve the government's timetable for the remaining stages of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill that they have just backed."
Just ask for 2 weeks. Then if they vote that down ask for 3 weeks - make it clear whether they are actually seeking time to scrutinise or just don't want to accept any time.
Boris says he will accelerate preparations for No Deal and discuss with the EU tgeir response to the extension request of Parliament, glad the House has voted for the Withdrawal Agreement Bill but will pause debate on it due to losing the timetable programme vote
I can' help thinking it is a huge tactical mistake to allow Boris to go to the country with a deal that the House has voted to approve. If it had all been voted down, he could have been painted as a 100% loser....
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I am sure the Tories would want an early election , if behind in the polls.
Noes 299
Government wins, MPs vote for 2nd reading of Withdrawal Agreement
Comedy about how a son contrives to hide the fall of the Berlin Wall from his communist mother.
'Downfall' is a fantastic movie. You almost feel you are in the bunker with him.
And how the hell do they think that is going to work out on the doorstep?
Bonkers
Wouldn't surprise me, given everything else bonkers that has happened in last two years.
Second reading - agree it's worth looking at the detail.
Third reading - the issues became obvious so I voted against..
Letwin has blown both his feet off lol.
Meanwhile, the Rabble Alliance pop champagne corks on the planet of Alderaan.
Government loses this though
Ayes 308
Noes 322
I assume that's a loss. Time to see if Boris throws the toys out.
The EU would be within right to offer a short extension on the basis the parliament has approved the principle, but thankfully I don't think they've got the stones for that.
"MPs have voted to approve the government's timetable for the remaining stages of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill that they have just backed."