Our national broadcaster says: "MPs have voted to approve the government's timetable for the remaining stages of the Withdrawal Agreement Bill that they have just backed."
He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?
Boris says he will accelerate preparations for No Deal and discuss with the EU tgeir response to the extension request of Parliament, glad the House has voted for the Withdrawal Agreement Bill but will pause debate on it due to losing the timetable programme vote
Why pause debate? If he intends it to pass at some point why not have them debating it a lot - making progress on that might show the EU that a short extension is all that is needed.
@OblitusSumMe , I didn't get a chance to thank you for your trilemma article over the weekend. I recommended it to an American friend and she thought it was better than CNN.
Just ask for 2 weeks. Then if they vote that down ask for 3 weeks - make it clear whether they are actually seeking time to scrutinise or just don't want to accept any time.
Can’t its 31/1 or its up to the commons unless EU refuse
Ken Clarke asks the prime minister to reconsider pausing the deal, saying he cannot see the logic of pausing progress on it when the Commons is looking for time to debate it
Curious that the majority in favour of the 2nd reading and the majority against the programme motion were both larger than the expected range.
The second reading was like the Malthouse Compromise: essentially cost-free to vote for.
308 appears to be the guaranteed vote for the deal then, with the other 10-12 going to need careful handling/incentives to see it through/see off any amendments, when the bill gets going again.
Can anyone explain why, if he doesn't want any more delay, Boris is delaying this bill?
It's because he knows that this Remainer Parliament will not allow the UK to leave the EU unless the EU points the gun by refusing an extension. The Parliament will use whatever reason or device or procedure to make sure Brexit does not happen. It's pointless continuing with the WAB. It just won't happen.
Now I guess we're waiting on whether the EU can stomach a short extension, since the HoC seems to have a comfortable deal majority (even if that's a bit of a mirage, and will likely be chipped away at).
Can anyone explain why, if he doesn't want any more delay, Boris is delaying this bill?
It's because he knows that this Remainer Parliament will not allow the UK to leave the EU unless the EU points the gun by refusing an extension. The Parliament will use whatever reason or device or procedure to make sure Brexit does not happen. It's pointless continuing with the WAB. It just won't happen.
No you must be wrong. Boris said we’d definitely leave by 31st October no ifs or buts.
LOL at this Tory MP accidentally blowing up Boris's "brand new deal" spin - she said three days were enough for the debate, because "90%" of this deal is the same as the last one...
He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?
His date? It is the EU's date, pillock. Boris has been simply working to the deadline he inherited.
Just ask for 2 weeks. Then if they vote that down ask for 3 weeks - make it clear whether they are actually seeking time to scrutinise or just don't want to accept any time.
Can’t its 31/1 or its up to the commons unless EU refuse
I mean Boris ask the Commons for 2 weeks to debate. Then 3, etc. Whatever they agree can be a signal to the EU, who could (I don't think will) offer a date other than 31/1 on the basis that they know how long it will take to pass the legislation now.
Curious that the majority in favour of the 2nd reading and the majority against the programme motion were both larger than the expected range.
The second reading was like the Malthouse Compromise: essentially cost-free to vote for.
308 appears to be the guaranteed vote for the deal then, with the other 10-12 needed going to need careful handling/incentives to see it through/see off any amendments, when the bill gets going again.
Now I guess we're waiting on whether the EU can stomach a short extension, since the HoC seems to have a comfortable deal majority (even if there's a bit of a mirage, and will likely be chipped away at).
Supposedly the French aren't keen.
Giving us not very much time, then discovering that majority is not as strong as it seemed, would result in them facing another emergency request for an extension or accidentally seeing us no deal. Far safer to stick with 31/1 rather than force any other options.
He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?
Actually the date was chosen by the EU. Whether they are willing to change it is not certain. It is not in our gift. Working towards it makes some sense.
He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?
Actually the date was chosen by the EU. Whether they are willing to change it is not certain. It is not in our gift. Working towards it makes some sense.
Well, pausing the bill is not working towards 31/10... or any other date for that matter.
LOL at this Tory MP accidentally blowing up Boris's "brand new deal" spin - she said three days were enough for the debate, because "90%" of this deal is the same as the last one...
"We want this Brexit bill to pass into law. But not yet" is what the voters will get out of this.
Wankers! Do it NOW, they scream at their tellies in unison....
They are watching a range of other programmers including east Enders, the one show or Netflix waiting for the football only a few, maybe more than usual, are actually watching this blow by blow.
There does seem to be a darkening mood amongst Journalists about Cummings briefing them things that BoZo then doesn't follow through
Cummings has apparently only ever had a limited grasp of reality. It was a constant running sore at education that he simply didn’t know what was going on, and is presumably one of the reasons his commentaries on it are so inaccurate. I can imagine it would make him a journalist’s nightmare.
Letwin has blown both his feet off lol.</blockquote
Still want that to become a new word. "You've really Letwined that." meaning done something superficially clever but actually fundamentally stupid and counterproductive.
He is a twat, why do we have to leave on 31/10? they haven’t supported his deal they have only voted to allow them to amend the bill. It’s his problem, his date and nobody else’s. Why is is such a twat?
Actually the date was chosen by the EU. Whether they are willing to change it is not certain. It is not in our gift. Working towards it makes some sense.
Well, pausing the bill is not working towards 31/10... or any other date for that matter.
Oh, and I can't emphasise this enough, fuck off, Ian Blackford
Come now. Either earplugs or give a rational critique.
Okay, every time he stands up he makes the same tedious 'union delenda est' speech, in the same excruciatingly self-satisfied way, and egregiously turns it into a point of order by asking the Speaker what he needs to do to get Scottish independence. It's a reflection of the utter contempt with which Parliament and doubtless the bulk of the viewers of it hold his interjections that the famously shy and retiring Speaker John Bercow seems fed up with telling him about s30 Scotland Act 1998.
@OblitusSumMe , I didn't get a chance to thank you for your trilemma article over the weekend. I recommended it to an American friend and she thought it was better than CNN.
That's very kind. Thank you for passing it on. How unfortunate that you should do so in reply to a comment of mine that proved to be erroneous!
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Luxury four poster is what Johnson goes for.
Jeremy Corbyn makes a point of order.
"Tonight the House has refused to be bounced into debating a hugely significant bil with barely any notice," he says.
"The PM is the author of his own misfortune.
"So I make this offer tonight
"Work with us to agree a reasonable timetable and I suspect this House will vote to debate this bill.
"That would be the sensible way forward."
Boris needs to go with it
Well, quite!
Wankers! Do it NOW, they scream at their tellies in unison....
Supposedly the French aren't keen.
The deal will never get through so an extension just long enough for a GE would force Labour to the ballot box.
We share 96% of our DNA with a chimpanzee.
Go to Brussels and do as you have been instructed."
Eh? He already has. hasn't he?
GetBrexitDoneWe will now pause this legislation...
BoZo
Should such people have a vote that counts the same as mine, do we think?
His unhinged obsession with October 31st is getting ridiculous.
Been defeated on a programme motion
No: only really interesting Greening and Hermon.
Abstain: Campbell, Fovargue, Hoey, Madders, Twigg. Also Nokes/Williamson from the Indies
Boris has his deal. Approved by the House. The rest is Remainer roadblock.