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Change it to ‘leave voter’ and the BBC will give you a 6 show seriesMarqueeMark said:
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, a Derby County fan turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night...."Benpointer said:
You know that using an 'Irishman' as a signifier for stupidity is quite offensive @Charles?Charles said:
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, an Irishman turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night”viewcode said:
I used to steal cars from a multi-storey car park. It was wrong on so many levels.egg said:
Bring back the good old days!No_Offence_Alan said:
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.egg said:
Go on, share one of the jokes.Cyclefree said:Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents"
My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
https://inews.co.uk/light-relief/jokes/tim-vine-best-jokes-and-one-liners-495010
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What's taken you so long?Anabobazina said:With this shambles of a proposal from Boris getting laughed out in Brussels, and public opinion now swinging strongly against Brexit, maybe we should consider the possibility that Brexit will never happen?
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Yeah, Boris’s deal is a complete dud, but Dom realised he had to submit some nonsense to facilitate the ensuing blame game. Oh well.0
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February 1974: hold my beer.AndyJS said:...the BBC's iconic 1992 election night coverage, regarded by many psephological anoraks as one of the best ever election shows...
1) They still had bookies in the program then
2) They had to interrupt the program because of bombs detonated in Belfast
3) The favorite did not win
4) No David Bloody Dimbleby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRBbmeoghNI
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Smuggling across the Irish border ? Glad there is none of that now.
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I've seen exactly the same number (excluding the 2,000,150 retweets on here today).TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
A big fat zero. Not having a twitter account has many advantages.1 -
Indeed.TGOHF2 said:
Conservatives 288
DUP 10
Lib Dem 1
Former Conservatives 10-15
Labour Leavers and Deal supporters (Kinnock etc) 10-20
Total: 319 - 334
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Some good news from parliament today.
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Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.0 -
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1179483414153576453?s=19
A view from an Irish journalist reporting on discussions0 -
That will help with the minimum pricing.TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1179504972720943106?s=210 -
What’s the thinking behind your using sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:Smuggling across the Irish border ? Glad there is none of that now.
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What a ridiculous comment.Anabobazina said:
What’s the thinking behind your using sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:Smuggling across the Irish border ? Glad there is none of that now.
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The Boris admirers need to await another day. It’s still possible he could thwart Benn and leave 31 October with No Deal. Borisism isn’t dead yet!0
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There’s no doubt a majority in the Commons for the sun shining every day next summer too.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed.TGOHF2 said:
Conservatives 288
DUP 10
Lib Dem 1
Former Conservatives 10-15
Labour Leavers and Deal supporters (Kinnock etc) 10-20
Total: 319 - 334
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I think it is BoZos mate across the pond with the tariffs. No effect on prices here, at least until the EU retaliated.philiph said:
That will help with the minimum pricing.TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1179504972720943106?s=21
What the world needs now is a tariff war...0 -
A graphic guide to feminist sex!Scott_P said:0 -
You are right.Foxy said:
I think it is BoZos mate across the pond with the tariffs. No effect on prices here, at least until the EU retaliated.philiph said:
That will help with the minimum pricing.TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1179504972720943106?s=21
What the world needs now is a tariff war...0 -
The Mark Report!isam said:
Change it to ‘leave voter’ and the BBC will give you a 6 show seriesMarqueeMark said:
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, a Derby County fan turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night...."Benpointer said:
You know that using an 'Irishman' as a signifier for stupidity is quite offensive @Charles?Charles said:
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, an Irishman turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night”viewcode said:
I used to steal cars from a multi-storey car park. It was wrong on so many levels.egg said:
Bring back the good old days!No_Offence_Alan said:
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.egg said:
Go on, share one of the jokes.Cyclefree said:Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents"
My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
https://inews.co.uk/light-relief/jokes/tim-vine-best-jokes-and-one-liners-495010
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Good for cutting greenhouse gases.Foxy said:
I think it is BoZos mate across the pond with the tariffs. No effect on prices here, at least until the EU retaliated.philiph said:
That will help with the minimum pricing.TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1179504972720943106?s=21
What the world needs now is a tariff war...0 -
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.1 -
If you like tariffs, perhaps you would like to pay mine. Because I'd rather not pay them.philiph said:
Good for cutting greenhouse gases.Foxy said:
I think it is BoZos mate across the pond with the tariffs. No effect on prices here, at least until the EU retaliated.philiph said:
That will help with the minimum pricing.TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1179504972720943106?s=21
What the world needs now is a tariff war...0 -
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https://twitter.com/the_chrisshaw/status/1179420839650955266?s=21Foxy said:
I think it is BoZos mate across the pond with the tariffs. No effect on prices here, at least until the EU retaliated.philiph said:
That will help with the minimum pricing.TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1179504972720943106?s=21
What the world needs now is a tariff war...0 -
I blame the schools.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.0 -
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Boris as always looks like a drowned version of Donald Trump.MarqueeMark said:0 -
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Though in a few months the EU will be bringing in punitive tariffs because of illegal subsidies to Boeing...TGOHF2 said:
https://twitter.com/the_chrisshaw/status/1179420839650955266?s=21Foxy said:
I think it is BoZos mate across the pond with the tariffs. No effect on prices here, at least until the EU retaliated.philiph said:
That will help with the minimum pricing.TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1179504972720943106?s=21
What the world needs now is a tariff war...
https://www.ft.com/content/9a2c5af6-e51c-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc0 -
Have the Scots already made the jump? Didn't even notice.TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
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Ah. A Dick abusing a twat.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
Welcome Richard it’s pun night. This will cheer you up.
Was chatting to a lovely Blonde the other day, Ruth she said her name was.
When she asked my name I said ‘Egg, but everyone calls me Dick for short’
‘How do you get Dick from Egg’ she asked
I replied ‘just Ask nicely!’
Okay, seriously, exploring what you said there about Parliament winning, a counterfactual of what happens next if Orange lost?0 -
Gunpowder?Scott_P said:0 -
Con Hold Guildford. Possible Lib Dem target this time round ?0
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News update from the Egg desk.
Bernie Sanders is still alive.
“Mr Sanders had earlier announced his campaign had raised over $25m (£20m).”
What happens to all the money raised when people bow out these campaigns?0 -
It inhibits us from indulging your urge to grovel to Trump?TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1179504972720943106?s=210 -
Richard, if you think this poster is using this image to indicate “a triumph of parliamentary sovereignty” you are far more credulous than I ever took you for.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.0 -
It wasn't a case of Orange losing. He was there at the invitation of Parliament as a result of James having suspended Parliament. James basically wanted to reverse the result of the ECW and the Restoration settlement. The most likely result of William losing would have been a slide into another civil war. No Bill of Rights and eventually the sort of revolution we saw in France.egg said:
Ah. A Dick abusing a twat.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
Welcome Richard it’s pun night. This will cheer you up.
Was chatting to a lovely Blonde the other day, Ruth she said her name was.
When she asked my name I said ‘Egg, but everyone calls me Dick for short’
‘How do you get Dick from Egg’ she asked
I replied ‘just Ask nicely!’
Okay, seriously, exploring what you said there about Parliament winning, a counterfactual of what happens next if Orange lost?0 -
1/10 It's a mess. Must do betterTGOHF2 said:0 -
I have no idea whether the DUP had a hand in the actual formulation of this plan but it looks like something Nigel Dodds would have come up with.
If he did have a role in it, it certainly gives credence to the claim that all politics is local.0 -
That avatar is a deliberate piece of sectarian iconography, as you know full well. If you spent less time exhibiting bigoted anti-Irish, anti-catholic views, I’d be more inclined to accept you were just stupid.TGOHF2 said:
I blame the schools.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
But, you know what you are doing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=king+billy+mural&client=safari&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikjdCHy_7kAhXHSxUIHc60AaUQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=414&bih=613&dpr=30 -
The WTO has already decided that the US has also illegally subsidised Boeing, and in January will announce how much the EU can retaliate.TGOHF2 said:
https://twitter.com/the_chrisshaw/status/1179420839650955266?s=21Foxy said:
I think it is BoZos mate across the pond with the tariffs. No effect on prices here, at least until the EU retaliated.philiph said:
That will help with the minimum pricing.TGOHF2 said:Benefits of EU membership..
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1179504972720943106?s=21
What the world needs now is a tariff war...
The EU, the US, the Canadians, the Russians, the South Koreans, the Chinese, the Japanese and oh yes, the British government, all subsidise aircraft manufacture in one way or another.
For a long time, there was this general view that - as everyone was doing it - it was best ignored. But President Trump has changed that. On the one hand, he believes it is the US's duty to have procurement rules designed to funnel cash to Boeing. But if Canada or the EU does the same, then that's illegal subsidies.
During the financial crisis, there was a huge amount of pressure put on state owned banks (in both the US and the EU) to only lend for new planes if they were "local". It was an insane, ridiculous subsidy that distorted the market. But they both did it.
And don't think we're immune. That lovely factory making wings in Wales. That had a bunch of regional development susbidies attached to it.
So, we're going to see a trade war. And we're all going to lose.0 -
The leader of the Glorious Revolution, celebrated as the birth of parliamentary sovereignty, is now off limits? That is like callling the Union Jack a racist avatar because it was used by the BNP.Anabobazina said:
That avatar is a deliberate piece of sectarian iconography, as you know full well. If you spent less time exhibiting bigoted anti-Irish, anti-catholic views, I’d be more inclined to accept you were just stupid.TGOHF2 said:
I blame the schools.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
But, you know what you are doing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=king+billy+mural&client=safari&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikjdCHy_7kAhXHSxUIHc60AaUQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=414&bih=613&dpr=30 -
You really do come over as a complete lunatic.Anabobazina said:
That avatar is a deliberate piece of sectarian iconography, as you know full well. If you spent less time exhibiting bigoted anti-Irish, anti-catholic views, I’d be more inclined to accept you were just stupid.TGOHF2 said:
I blame the schools.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
But, you know what you are doing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=king+billy+mural&client=safari&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikjdCHy_7kAhXHSxUIHc60AaUQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=414&bih=613&dpr=30 -
Calm down dear.Anabobazina said:
That avatar is a deliberate piece of sectarian iconography, as you know full well. If you spent less time exhibiting bigoted anti-Irish, anti-catholic views, I’d be more inclined to accept you were just stupid.TGOHF2 said:
I blame the schools.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
But, you know what you are doing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=king+billy+mural&client=safari&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikjdCHy_7kAhXHSxUIHc60AaUQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=414&bih=613&dpr=30 -
It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.0
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I think you, @Richard_Tyndall, and @Gabs2 are all just hoping for a continental intervention to back our parliament against the dark forces ranged against it.TGOHF2 said:
Calm down dear.Anabobazina said:
That avatar is a deliberate piece of sectarian iconography, as you know full well. If you spent less time exhibiting bigoted anti-Irish, anti-catholic views, I’d be more inclined to accept you were just stupid.TGOHF2 said:
I blame the schools.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
But, you know what you are doing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=king+billy+mural&client=safari&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikjdCHy_7kAhXHSxUIHc60AaUQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=414&bih=613&dpr=30 -
Pity you're negotiating with the EU not parliament.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed.TGOHF2 said:
Conservatives 288
DUP 10
Lib Dem 1
Former Conservatives 10-15
Labour Leavers and Deal supporters (Kinnock etc) 10-20
Total: 319 - 334
Should be enough.0 -
Really? Why?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
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That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.0 -
Very good.williamglenn said:
I think you, @Richard_Tyndall, and @Gabs2 are all just hoping for a continental intervention to back our parliament against the dark forces ranged against it.TGOHF2 said:
Calm down dear.Anabobazina said:
That avatar is a deliberate piece of sectarian iconography, as you know full well. If you spent less time exhibiting bigoted anti-Irish, anti-catholic views, I’d be more inclined to accept you were just stupid.TGOHF2 said:
I blame the schools.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
But, you know what you are doing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=king+billy+mural&client=safari&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikjdCHy_7kAhXHSxUIHc60AaUQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=414&bih=613&dpr=30 -
YouGov finds 58% of voters support restoring the death penalty for murder as part of a terrorist act, 57% for multiple murders and 53% for murder of a child.
Though only 34% support restoring the death penalty in all cases of murder
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/legal/articles-reports/2019/10/01/brits-want-harsher-punishments-criminals0 -
It’s a shame you think that Richard as I respect you as a poster. You don’t denote any sectarian dog whistling on here from certain posters? None at all?Richard_Tyndall said:
You really do come over as a complete lunatic.Anabobazina said:
That avatar is a deliberate piece of sectarian iconography, as you know full well. If you spent less time exhibiting bigoted anti-Irish, anti-catholic views, I’d be more inclined to accept you were just stupid.TGOHF2 said:
I blame the schools.Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't. William of Orange is a symbol of the triumph of Parliamentary sovereignty. Stop being a twat. .Anabobazina said:
Why do you use sectarian iconography in your avatar?TGOHF2 said:
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..dyedwoolie said:I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co....
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
But, you know what you are doing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=king+billy+mural&client=safari&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikjdCHy_7kAhXHSxUIHc60AaUQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=414&bih=613&dpr=30 -
There is no deal Johnson can put in front of the Commons that the ERG will vote for. Therein lies the problem.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed.TGOHF2 said:
Conservatives 288
DUP 10
Lib Dem 1
Former Conservatives 10-15
Labour Leavers and Deal supporters (Kinnock etc) 10-20
Total: 319 - 334
Should be enough.
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They've run out of bowler hatsBeibheirli_C said:
Really? Why?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
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Actually, the Ulster flag has no official status. The correct flag is the Union Flag aka The Union JackY0kel said:
That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.0 -
Well its King William isnt it, anything to do with him is automatically sectarian which means Protestants who in anyway see any association between them and this historical figure are also sectarian.Beibheirli_C said:
Really? Why?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
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The EU are quaking in their boots....More tales from the Telegraph tomorrow night.TGOHF2 said:0 -
There you fail to understand that flags are associated to by people. Those who claim it as theirs and their nation's flag are no less legitimate than those who claim another flag which has official status or not.Beibheirli_C said:
Actually, the Ulster flag has no official status. The correct flag is the Union Flag aka The Union JackY0kel said:
That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.
I associate with it, plenty of others do. So its ours and we use it and no official status makes one ounce of difference.0 -
Pictures of ‘King Billy’ are classic sectarian iconography, as you know full well. Are you actually denying this?Y0kel said:
Well its King William isnt it, anything to do with him is automatically sectarian which means Protestants who in anyway see any association between them and this historical figure are also sectarian.Beibheirli_C said:
Really? Why?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
https://www.google.com/search?q=king+billy+mural&client=safari&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikjdCHy_7kAhXHSxUIHc60AaUQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=414&bih=613&dpr=30 -
Well, it probably does nnot help when the Orange Lodges go charging through Short Strand with large banners of King Billy riding a white horse across the Boyne and waving a sword in the air.Y0kel said:
Well its King William isnt it, anything to do with him is automatically sectarian which means Protestants who in anyway see any association between them and this historical figure are also sectarian.Beibheirli_C said:
Really? Why?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
That sort of thing makes an impression....0 -
Do you identify as Northern Irish first, British second?Y0kel said:
There you fail to understand that flags are associated to by people. Those who claim it as theirs and their nation's flag are no less legitimate than those who claim another flag which has official status or not.Beibheirli_C said:
Actually, the Ulster flag has no official status. The correct flag is the Union Flag aka The Union JackY0kel said:
That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.
I associate with it, plenty of others do. So its ours and we use it and no official status makes one ounce of difference.0 -
Nothing to see here...Beibheirli_C said:
Well, it probably does nnot help when the Orange Lodges go charging through Short Strand with large banners of King Billy riding a white horse across the Boyne and waving a sword in the air.Y0kel said:
Well its King William isnt it, anything to do with him is automatically sectarian which means Protestants who in anyway see any association between them and this historical figure are also sectarian.Beibheirli_C said:
Really? Why?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
That sort of thing makes an impression....0 -
Who? Me or Yokel?williamglenn said:
Do you identify as Northern Irish first, British second?Y0kel said:
There you fail to understand that flags are associated to by people. Those who claim it as theirs and their nation's flag are no less legitimate than those who claim another flag which has official status or not.Beibheirli_C said:
Actually, the Ulster flag has no official status. The correct flag is the Union Flag aka The Union JackY0kel said:
That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.
I associate with it, plenty of others do. So its ours and we use it and no official status makes one ounce of difference.0 -
She's Onn boardTGOHF2 said:0 -
Actually it's not. It was only ever the flag of the *government* of Northern Ireland and was never officially adopted as the flag of Northern Ireland itself.Y0kel said:
That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.0 -
Yokel. I'm just curious as he described Northern Ireland as a nation.Beibheirli_C said:
Who? Me or Yokel?williamglenn said:
Do you identify as Northern Irish first, British second?Y0kel said:
There you fail to understand that flags are associated to by people. Those who claim it as theirs and their nation's flag are no less legitimate than those who claim another flag which has official status or not.Beibheirli_C said:
Actually, the Ulster flag has no official status. The correct flag is the Union Flag aka The Union JackY0kel said:
That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.
I associate with it, plenty of others do. So its ours and we use it and no official status makes one ounce of difference.0 -
As do sectarian actions the other way. It works both sides and the only way things will work is accept that people have their icons and thats all there is to it.Anabobazina said:
Nothing to see here...Beibheirli_C said:
Well, it probably does nnot help when the Orange Lodges go charging through Short Strand with large banners of King Billy riding a white horse across the Boyne and waving a sword in the air.Y0kel said:
Well its King William isnt it, anything to do with him is automatically sectarian which means Protestants who in anyway see any association between them and this historical figure are also sectarian.Beibheirli_C said:
Really? Why?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
That sort of thing makes an impression....0 -
Progress. At least you accept it is a sectarian icon.Y0kel said:
As do sectarian actions the other way. It works both sides and the only way things will work is accept that people have their icons and thats all there is to it.Anabobazina said:
Nothing to see here...Beibheirli_C said:
Well, it probably does nnot help when the Orange Lodges go charging through Short Strand with large banners of King Billy riding a white horse across the Boyne and waving a sword in the air.Y0kel said:
Well its King William isnt it, anything to do with him is automatically sectarian which means Protestants who in anyway see any association between them and this historical figure are also sectarian.Beibheirli_C said:
Really? Why?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
That sort of thing makes an impression....0 -
My statehood is British my nationality is Northern Irish. Which comes first depends on the situation. Its one of the glorious delights that I can claim, according to the census, to be a bit of anything I want.williamglenn said:
Do you identify as Northern Irish first, British second?Y0kel said:
There you fail to understand that flags are associated to by people. Those who claim it as theirs and their nation's flag are no less legitimate than those who claim another flag which has official status or not.Beibheirli_C said:
Actually, the Ulster flag has no official status. The correct flag is the Union Flag aka The Union JackY0kel said:
That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.
I associate with it, plenty of others do. So its ours and we use it and no official status makes one ounce of difference.0 -
Well, it is legally a country, although many who live there call it "The Province"williamglenn said:
Yokel. I'm just curious as he described Northern Ireland as a nation.Beibheirli_C said:
Who? Me or Yokel?williamglenn said:
Do you identify as Northern Irish first, British second?Y0kel said:
There you fail to understand that flags are associated to by people. Those who claim it as theirs and their nation's flag are no less legitimate than those who claim another flag which has official status or not.Beibheirli_C said:
Actually, the Ulster flag has no official status. The correct flag is the Union Flag aka The Union JackY0kel said:
That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.
I associate with it, plenty of others do. So its ours and we use it and no official status makes one ounce of difference.0 -
I’m reminded of a previous does of the vapours - from Lady Nugee
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In a united Ireland, would you still say your nationality was Northern Irish, or something else?Y0kel said:
My statehood is British my nationality is Northern Irish. Which comes first depends on the situation. Its one the glorious delights that I can claim, according to the census, to a bit of anything I want.williamglenn said:
Do you identify as Northern Irish first, British second?Y0kel said:
There you fail to understand that flags are associated to by people. Those who claim it as theirs and their nation's flag are no less legitimate than those who claim another flag which has official status or not.Beibheirli_C said:
Actually, the Ulster flag has no official status. The correct flag is the Union Flag aka The Union JackY0kel said:
That's my nation's flag, you know like the Welsh have a flag and the Scots have a flag. Even the English have one but apparently its bad form to show it for some reason.viewcode said:
And I assume your choice of avatar is also coincidental?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
I believe my nation's right to exist as an entity and choose what state it wishes to attach itself to is actually explicit in something called the Good Friday Agreement which an awful of people seem to be going on about at the moment.
I associate with it, plenty of others do. So its ours and we use it and no official status makes one ounce of difference.0 -
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According to some people, not others. Its called tolerance, not creating hierarchies or one sided victimhood or offense. History exists, leave at the door or keep rehashing it and trawling it up as a political weapon. Trawling it up does fuck all in this place that I live, just resentment on resentment.Anabobazina said:
Progress. At least you accept it is a sectarian icon.Y0kel said:
As do sectarian actions the other way. It works both sides and the only way things will work is accept that people have their icons and thats all there is to it.Anabobazina said:
Nothing to see here...Beibheirli_C said:
Well, it probably does nnot help when the Orange Lodges go charging through Short Strand with large banners of King Billy riding a white horse across the Boyne and waving a sword in the air.Y0kel said:
Well its King William isnt it, anything to do with him is automatically sectarian which means Protestants who in anyway see any association between them and this historical figure are also sectarian.Beibheirli_C said:
Really? Why?Y0kel said:It appears being a Protestant is now a problem.
That sort of thing makes an impression....
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The EU will never reject Johnson’s proposal outright and will say let’s keep talking, so at some point in the Blame Game game Johnson will have to walk away to No Deal. That will be an interesting moment.0
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wE wiLL NevEr ReoPen ThE WitHdrAWal AgReEmenTHYUFD said:2 -
Particularly if he walks away while writing a letter asking for an extension.SouthamObserver said:The EU will never reject Johnson’s proposal outright and will say let’s keep talking, so at some point in the Blame Game game Johnson will have to walk away to No Deal. That will be an interesting moment.
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@williamglenn
Northern Irish, but I'd not live in the Republic of Ireland anyway, my entire, cultural, political, and whatever you care to mention, immersion as a person is in a Northern Irish and British context. Thats my association by both choice and wish.
There is something that the simplification types elsewhere in the UK and in the Republic of Ireland have missed about this place and its the idea of Northern Irishness. Its a thing.
2011 census
• 40% of usual residents had a British only national identity
• 25% had Irish only national identity
• 21% had Northern Irish only national identity
• 48% of people included British as a national identity
• 29% included Northern Irish as a national identity
• 28 % included Irish as a national identity
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Walking away when the EU is saying a deal is not dead would be a thing. Presumably Cummings has wargamed it.Chris said:
Particularly if he walks away while writing a letter asking for an extension.SouthamObserver said:The EU will never reject Johnson’s proposal outright and will say let’s keep talking, so at some point in the Blame Game game Johnson will have to walk away to No Deal. That will be an interesting moment.
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What should i use? Most countries use a neighbouring province or country (and I’m Irish myself)Benpointer said:
You know that using an 'Irishman' as a signifier for stupidity is quite offensive @Charles?Charles said:
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, an Irishman turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night”viewcode said:
I used to steal cars from a multi-storey car park. It was wrong on so many levels.egg said:
Bring back the good old days!No_Offence_Alan said:
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.egg said:
Go on, share one of the jokes.Cyclefree said:Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents"
My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
https://inews.co.uk/light-relief/jokes/tim-vine-best-jokes-and-one-liners-4950100 -
It's ONN!!!TGOHF2 said:0 -
Except he can't without a Tory majority, if Boris gets that Tory majority then a Deal can be done if the EU dither for nowSouthamObserver said:The EU will never reject Johnson’s proposal outright and will say let’s keep talking, so at some point in the Blame Game game Johnson will have to walk away to No Deal. That will be an interesting moment.
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Yes. They could have had a fabulous outcome and there’s a decent chance they will end up with No Deal.TGOHF2 said:
And they have blown it - got too greedy.anothernick said:
One of the many ironies of the Brexit debacle is the fact that the support of the EU enables the Irish to dictate terms to the British. For the past 1000 years or so the British have had the whip hand in that relationship - you can hardly blame the Irish for taking advantage of the position that the Tories have so foolishly gifted them.Charles said:
Varadkar bears much of the blame for the last 2 years.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Pardon?Charles said:
Varadkar.matthiasfromhamburg said:
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.rcs1000 said:
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.nico67 said:
.rcs1000 said:Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
and by the way, well saidCharles said:
Sounds like a description of the Brexit negotiationsCyclefree said:They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
I was in Dublin today - a lot of people are pissed at Varadkar but not saying so publicly. They are also deeply worried about access to the U.K. land bridge being cut off.0 -
Quite mixed, in fact. I'm not sure what conclusions you draw from these figures? You'd get the same sort of variation in England (are you English, British, a Yorkshireman, a European, a citizen of nowhere, whatever).Y0kel said:
@williamglenn
Northern Irish, but I'd not live in the Republic of Ireland anyway, my entire, cultural, political, and whatever you care to mention, immersion as a person is in a Northern Irish and British context. Thats my association by both choice and wish.
There is something that the simplification types elsewhere in the UK and in the Republic of Ireland have missed about this place and its the idea of Northern Irishness. Its a thing.
2011 census
• 40% of usual residents had a British only national identity
• 25% had Irish only national identity
• 21% had Northern Irish only national identity
• 48% of people included British as a national identity
• 29% included Northern Irish as a national identity
• 28 % included Irish as a national identity0 -
What if there were no longer a British state and England, Scotland and Wales were independent. How do you think British/unionist identity would find expression?Y0kel said:
@williamglenn
Northern Irish, but I'd not live in the Republic of Ireland anyway, my entire, cultural, political, and whatever you care to mention, immersion as a person is in a Northern Irish and British context. Thats my association by both choice and wish.
There is something that the simplification types elsewhere in the UK and in the Republic of Ireland have missed about this place and its the idea of Northern Irishness. Its a thing.
2011 census
• 40% of usual residents had a British only national identity
• 25% had Irish only national identity
• 21% had Northern Irish only national identity
• 48% of people included British as a national identity
• 29% included Northern Irish as a national identity
• 28 % included Irish as a national identity0 -
Irish business people who spoke to me were certainly not happy with the EUCharles said:
Yes. They could have had a fabulous outcome and there’s a decent chance they will end up with No Deal.TGOHF2 said:
And they have blown it - got too greedy.anothernick said:
One of the many ironies of the Brexit debacle is the fact that the support of the EU enables the Irish to dictate terms to the British. For the past 1000 years or so the British have had the whip hand in that relationship - you can hardly blame the Irish for taking advantage of the position that the Tories have so foolishly gifted them.Charles said:
Varadkar bears much of the blame for the last 2 years.matthiasfromhamburg said:
Pardon?Charles said:
Varadkar.matthiasfromhamburg said:
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.rcs1000 said:
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.nico67 said:
.rcs1000 said:Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
and by the way, well saidCharles said:
Sounds like a description of the Brexit negotiationsCyclefree said:They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
I was in Dublin today - a lot of people are pissed at Varadkar but not saying so publicly. They are also deeply worried about access to the U.K. land bridge being cut off.0 -
Surely it won't be too long before the president of the USA is placed in psychiatric care?0
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