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CONFIRMED: Sam Gyimah is defecting to the Lib Dems
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A big gain for the Yellows, but one with zero chance of holding his seat at a general election. You could put a donkey up in that seat and if it wore a blue rosette it would win. Heck, even Dominic Cummings would probably just scrape home.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Sam G now confirmed.El_Capitano said:
Sam Gyimah and Rosie Duffield both heavily rumoured, but no announcement yet.bigjohnowls said:Who defected??
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FPT - The City of Manchester ( one borough ) had a referendum on whether to have a directly elected mayor run its council services. It was a binding referendum, they voted No and they didn't get a mayor. Andy Burnham is the Mayor of Greater Manchester ( ten boroughs ) and runs strategic services not mentropolitan borough ones. The ' they ignored the Manchester referendum result ' is a common misconception but it's basically untrue. Andy Burnham covers a vastly larger geographic area and has a completely different set of powers than the proposition on the referendum ballot paper.0
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No surprise, he should have gone earlier now we can finally select a pro Brexit Tory candidate in East Surrey to replace him.
Gyimah voted against the Withdrawal Agreement and to extend over the risk of No Deal, TSE take note being a diehard Remainer is not and never will be the definition of a 'One Nation Tory'0 -
Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP1
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Permission to speak, sir!AlastairMeeks said:
Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..Foxy said:Good side the Canaries reserves...
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Errrrrr...HYUFD said:Does at least give the LDs their first Black MP
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Granted!Foxy said:
Permission to speak, sir!AlastairMeeks said:
Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..Foxy said:Good side the Canaries reserves...
OTBC!0 -
Yellows. Winning everywhere!0
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Decent Saturday night news.
What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???0 -
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A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSEJBriskinindyref2 said:Decent Saturday night news.
What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???0 -
I had layed the Man City win, but bottled it and cashed outAlastairMeeks said:
Granted!Foxy said:
Permission to speak, sir!AlastairMeeks said:
Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..Foxy said:Good side the Canaries reserves...
OTBC!
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There was short-term guy somewhere in Leicestershire IIRC. Dr F will know.0
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I am with sam politically!
We seem to be on course for one hell of a political bust up!
Minus 3 is the govt majority before factoring in the whipless...0 -
Stop lying.HYUFD said:
A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSEJBriskinindyref2 said:Decent Saturday night news.
What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???0 -
How can he be "defecting" when he's already been thrown out?
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Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.0
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Will you be giving him the Mark Reckless treatment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Stop lying.HYUFD said:
A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSEJBriskinindyref2 said:Decent Saturday night news.
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Minus 1 given that Elphicke is really still a Tory.The_Taxman said:I am with sam politically!
We seem to be on course for one hell of a political bust up!
Minus 3 is the govt majority before factoring in the whipless...0 -
BJ is f*cked! No viable majority even illness is not going to stop him...GIN1138 said:How can he be "defecting" when he's already been thrown out?
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Wow - go Sam!
Is there a Labour defector as well?0 -
Gill was a Sikh, and took Leics South in a byelection.OldKingCole said:There was short-term guy somewhere in Leicestershire IIRC. Dr F will know.
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Unclear. It ranges from the 'just not a Boris fan' to 'actually a LD'.JBriskinindyref2 said:Decent Saturday night news.
What the hell is a One Nation Conservative anyway???0 -
No, because he didn't defect at the start of the Tory conference and tried to get others to join him during David Cameron's speech a few days later.GIN1138 said:
Will you be giving him the Mark Reckless treatment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Stop lying.HYUFD said:
A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSEJBriskinindyref2 said:Decent Saturday night news.
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It would be funny if the Lib Dems overtake the SNP.0
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I couldn't be less bothered if I tried.0
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Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!0
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The political party realignment continues0
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TheScreamingEagles said:
No, because he didn't defect at the start of the Tory conference and tried to get others to join him during David Cameron's speech a few days later.GIN1138 said:
Will you be giving him the Mark Reckless treatment?TheScreamingEagles said:
Stop lying.HYUFD said:
A diehard EUphile apparently according to TSEJBriskinindyref2 said:Decent Saturday night news.
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So that's 3 former Labour MPs and 3 former Con MPs joined? Good balance, best hold off another Labour defector until another Tory one is lined up.0
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I'm not a Thatcherite, but boy has she been proved right in her claim that those self-defining as "One Nation Conservatives" in the modern era are more properly described as "No Nation Conservatives". Time to reform the Pro Euro Conservative Party, lads.0
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There was short-term guy somewhere in Leicestershire IIRC. Dr F will know.
When is he going to Crown Court?justin124 said:
Minus 1 given that Elphicke is really still a Tory.The_Taxman said:I am with sam politically!
We seem to be on course for one hell of a political bust up!
Minus 3 is the govt majority before factoring in the whipless...
And I’m losing count/the will to live. How many Tory MP’s are either up before the beak or thrown out of the Party. Or both!
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Canaries reserves......you mean the libdem defectors?Foxy said:
Permission to speak, sir!AlastairMeeks said:
Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..Foxy said:Good side the Canaries reserves...
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I remember the term being bandied about in the time of Major; so it's been around for a while. I just wondered if anyone had a working definition, it is a Saturday night after all.kle4 said:
Unclear. It ranges from the 'just not a Boris fan' to 'actually a LD'.JBriskinindyref2 said:Decent Saturday night news.
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No need, the LDs already do the job for themoldpolitics said:I'm not a Thatcherite, but boy has she been proved right in her claim that those self-defining as "One Nation Conservatives" in the modern era are more properly described as "No Nation Conservatives". Time to reform the Pro Euro Conservative Party, lads.
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You are rather a sad individual who supports the destruction of the party you joined and worked to get elected. The modern day party is not even brexit party liteHYUFD said:Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!
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Can't accuse all the defectors for trying to make easier for themselves to keep a seat, given how large their former party majorities are.0
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And another banter fail.
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1172925320988647424?s=20
Narrator: yes reader, he deleted that tweet.0 -
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His seat looks somewhat safe for the Tories. There are going to be a lot of interesting races at the next election.0
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I did mean the footy, but it does fit for our fifth column toonunuone said:
Canaries reserves......you mean the libdem defectors?Foxy said:
Permission to speak, sir!AlastairMeeks said:
Shutupshutupshutupshutupshutup..Foxy said:Good side the Canaries reserves...
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The One Nation group had about a third of the Parliamentary Conservative Party. Not that all are still in it, but it is a big pool to fish in.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I remember the term being bandied about in the time of Major; so it's been around for a while. I just wondered if anyone had a working definition, it is a Saturday night after all.kle4 said:
Unclear. It ranges from the 'just not a Boris fan' to 'actually a LD'.JBriskinindyref2 said:Decent Saturday night news.
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The other useful thing about council Mayoral referendums is their maximum frequency is set in law. You have to wait seven years before calling another mayoral referendum to reverse the result of the last one. If that was the case with EUref2 and Indyref2 things would be much clearer. Seven years is also the maximum frequency for border polls in the GFA.0
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Maybe Gyimah has been promised an inner London seat.0
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Gyimah, Gyimah, Gyimah a man after midnight!1
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That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core votersnichomar said:0 -
Yes, but what the fuck does it mean? Is it like interchangeable with Wet?Foxy said:
The One Nation group had about a third of the Parliamentary Conservative Party. Not that all are still in it, but it is a big pool to fish in.JBriskinindyref2 said:
I remember the term being bandied about in the time of Major; so it's been around for a while. I just wondered if anyone had a working definition, it is a Saturday night after all.kle4 said:
Unclear. It ranges from the 'just not a Boris fan' to 'actually a LD'.JBriskinindyref2 said:Decent Saturday night news.
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Interesting niche fact - Jo Johnson and Sam Gyimah both held the IP Minister portfolio. With that in mind, keep an eye on Chris Skidmore, who got the job earlier this week.0
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Surprised you bothered to tell us that.oxfordsimon said:I couldn't be less bothered if I tried.
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surbiton19 said:
11% of Liberal Democrat MPs are black. And people used to say barely a month ago they had no MPs from the ethnic minorities. That's a rapid improvement. How did they do it ?
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You want a government full of thickos?HYUFD said:
That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core votersnichomar said:0 -
No, those who want to destroy the party were those like Gyimah and Grieve who voted against May's agreement and forced her to extend Article 50 leading to the loss of over 1000 Tory councillors in the local elections and the Tories falling to just 9% of the vote in the European elections in Maynichomar said:
You are rather a sad individual who supports the destruction of the party you joined and worked to get elected. The modern day party is not even brexit party liteHYUFD said:Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!
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Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
HYUFD now supports the LibDems .... 1 -
I thought I was beyond being shocked, but I am still amazed that you decided to respond to a crack about the intelligence of Tory MPs not by disputing it, but by accepting the premise of the insult and turning it into a positive. Bravo, indeed.HYUFD said:
That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core votersnichomar said:
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The Tories really are managing to palm off the dross in the party to the LD's.
Come on Grieve...off you trot to obscurity.0 -
Only loyal thickos!Gallowgate said:
You want a government full of thickos?HYUFD said:
That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core votersnichomar said:
Are the intelligentsia already a part of the enemy of the people along with judges?0 -
I believe Gill later switched to Labour.0
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And Johnson?HYUFD said:
No, those who want to destroy the party were those like Gyimah and Grieve who voted against May's agreement and forced her to extend Article 50 leading to the loss of over 1000 Tory councillors in the local elections and the Tories falling to just 9% of the vote in the European elections in Maynichomar said:
You are rather a sad individual who supports the destruction of the party you joined and worked to get elected. The modern day party is not even brexit party liteHYUFD said:Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!
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Best not, I would think paying for a LD membership, even if not for yourself, is grounds for expulsion from the Conservative Party.HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
Edit: I see JackW had the same thought.0 -
I want a government full of those who actually prefer to respect what the party's voters want and the Leave vote 17 million voted for.Gallowgate said:
You want a government full of thickos?HYUFD said:
That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core votersnichomar said:
I would obviously prefer a Cabinet full of Oxbridge double first Boris loyalists but to be honest any Boris loyalists would be better than a diehard Remainer no matter how high their IQ0 -
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Exciting time to be a Liberal Democrat.0
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Who is the third Labour defector? Chuka - Smith - and ?0
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Nevertheless a narrowing of the Tory tent of potential significanceCaptainBuzzkill said:The Tories really are managing to palm off the dross in the party to the LD's.
Come on Grieve...off you trot to obscurity.0 -
Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think notJackW said:
Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
HYUFD now supports the LibDems ....0 -
There were rumours yesterday that he might stand against Michael Gove in Surrey Heath.0
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One Johnson joined the TIGs. Didn't she ? So it is a matter of time.FF43 said:
And Johnson?HYUFD said:
No, those who want to destroy the party were those like Gyimah and Grieve who voted against May's agreement and forced her to extend Article 50 leading to the loss of over 1000 Tory councillors in the local elections and the Tories falling to just 9% of the vote in the European elections in Maynichomar said:
You are rather a sad individual who supports the destruction of the party you joined and worked to get elected. The modern day party is not even brexit party liteHYUFD said:Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!
The serious question is where will Alexander Johnson stand in the elections from ?
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Very unlikely that Bebb returns to Tory ranks - which effectively would make it minus 3.0
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You'd still be paying money into the LD coffers, thus helping them fight the Tories nationally!HYUFD said:
Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think notJackW said:
Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
HYUFD now supports the LibDems ....0 -
"Hey, babe, I negotiate million dollar deals for breakfast! I think I can handle this Eurotrash!"HYUFD said:diehard Remainer
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Glad to see HYUFD has also drunk the Momentum Kool-Aid. Clearly fucking off a good chunk of your sitting MPs and the people who support them and the entire long standing ethos behind them is a winning strategy.
A world where the old Tory and Labour parties self expel the sane one and leave the dying embers to the batshit crazies. Fun times under FPTP0 -
HYUFD is a modern Tory. He prefers to use cash for such transactions.kle4 said:
Best not, I would think paying for a LD membership, even if not for yourself, is grounds for expulsion from the Conservative Party.HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
Edit: I see JackW had the same thought.
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I believe it was the conservative author and commentator William F Buckley Jnr who said "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."kle4 said:
I thought I was beyond being shocked, but I am still amazed that you decided to respond to a crack about the intelligence of Tory MPs not by disputing it, but by accepting the premise of the insult and turning it into a positive. Bravo, indeed.HYUFD said:
That is not that far from the average IQ of the average voter so no harm electorally there, better a Leaver Tory MP of average intelligence who respects democracy and the party's core vote than a diehard Remainer Tory MP like Grieve of high intelligence who has contempt for a democratic vote and the party's core votersnichomar said:0 -
I doubt 1 voter in 10 in Gyimah own constituency would know who he is never mind the wider public.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless a narrowing of the Tory tent of potential significance
He was part of Camerons failed experiment which has brought nothing but discord to the party.
The LD's will find out soon enough just what sort of politicians they are collecting once the likes of Gymiah, Soubry, Grieve etc arrive on their doorstep.0 -
Chuka may yet be the next LD leader insteadTheValiant said:0 -
Nobody wants that...why do you think Labour's polling is so low.Gallowgate said:
You want a government full of thickos?0 -
What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?HYUFD said:
Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think notJackW said:
Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
HYUFD now supports the LibDems ....0 -
After PM Swinson?HYUFD said:
Chuka may yet be the next LD leader insteadTheValiant said:0 -
After PM Boris, it maybe First Minister Swinsonkle4 said:
After PM Swinson?HYUFD said:
Chuka may yet be the next LD leader insteadTheValiant said:0 -
Just like he was going to stand in twickenhamHYUFD said:
Chuka may yet be the next LD leader insteadTheValiant said:0 -
One who will deliver Brexit, Deal or No Dealnichomar said:
What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?HYUFD said:
Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think notJackW said:
Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
HYUFD now supports the LibDems ....0 -
Supports Boris (it's not about loyalty to the party given the history JRM, Baker and, well, Boris. Oh wait I forget, their rebellions aren't as bad). Adopts the same policy as the Brexit Party (nothing more Tory than voting Brexit Party).nichomar said:
What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?HYUFD said:
Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think notJackW said:
Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
HYUFD now supports the LibDems ....0 -
It's a pity Lord Ashcroft isn't doing his constituency polls because it would be interesting to see polling in the seats of these defecting MPs.0
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Grieve will not defect. He is a Tory. And he will stand as an Independent Tory. So might Soubry.CaptainBuzzkill said:
I doubt 1 voter in 10 in Gyimah own constituency would know who he is never mind the wider public.IanB2 said:
Nevertheless a narrowing of the Tory tent of potential significance
He was part of Camerons failed experiment which has brought nothing but discord to the party.
The LD's will find out soon enough just what sort of politicians they are collecting once the likes of Gymiah, Soubry, Grieve etc arrive on their doorstep.
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Shires, backs Boris; something about taxnichomar said:
What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?HYUFD said:
Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think notJackW said:
Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
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One who supports policies which are neither Conservative nor Unionist of coursenichomar said:
What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?HYUFD said:
Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think notJackW said:
Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
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Do you not ever get bored of this rubbish?HYUFD said:
One who will deliver Brexit, Deal or No Dealnichomar said:
What is the definition of a proper Tory MP ?HYUFD said:
Given it would ensure a proper Tory MP replaces him I think notJackW said:
Surely paying money to another political party and the implicit support it infers is grounds for your expulsion from the Conservative party !!HYUFD said:
I would personally pay for Grieve's LD Membership fee myselfkle4 said:Will any of the Grievers not defect to the LDs? Besides Grieve himself I assume.
HYUFD now supports the LibDems ....0 -
He is standing in Westminster I believe, which the LDs also won in the European electionsnichomar said:
Just like he was going to stand in twickenhamHYUFD said:
Chuka may yet be the next LD leader insteadTheValiant said:0 -
Soon your colleagues will be sending you the Black Spot as the only remainer left in the village...HYUFD said:Wollaston and Lee and Gyimah now gone (with Soubry and Allen in CUK), just got Grieve, Greening and Bebb to go LD and the Tories will finally be diehard Remainer free! Hooray!
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I’ve got a defection, ho ho ho.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Hey, babe, I negotiate million dollar deals for breakfast! I think I can handle this Eurotrash!"HYUFD said:diehard Remainer
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