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TheScreamingEagles said:

iii)Then there was, I say, Priti Patel, now our home secretary. He levers his eyes heavenward. “I remember her attack that wealthy people didn’t understand the problems of immigration. It felt very like she was put on point to do some attacking of the government and its record. I suppose some people would say all is fair in love and war and political campaigns. I thought there were places Conservatives wouldn’t go against each other. And they did.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's rewind to a previous referendum organised by Mr Cameron, shall we? The one about AV, obviously close to the hearts of everyone on here. Did Dave himself behave in the gentlemanly fashion he latterly expected of Gove and Patel?

BBC: "Lib Dem minister Mr Huhne accused the Conservatives of "trashing" his party and Mr Cameron of doing nothing to stop personal attacks on Mr Clegg by the No campaign."

Guardian: "Cameron threw both the Tory machine and the considerable Tory bankbook at the operation."

That'll be a no then.

You stupid, stupid, bastard, Dave. You really are a quite phenomenally stupid bastard. Really, stunningly, brazenly stupid.

El_Capitano said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

iii)Then there was, I say, Priti Patel, now our home secretary. He levers his eyes heavenward. “I remember her attack that wealthy people didn’t understand the problems of immigration. It felt very like she was put on point to do some attacking of the government and its record. I suppose some people would say all is fair in love and war and political campaigns. I thought there were places Conservatives wouldn’t go against each other. And they did.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Let's rewind to a previous referendum organised by Mr Cameron, shall we? The one about AV, obviously close to the hearts of everyone on here. Did Dave himself behave in the gentlemanly fashion he latterly expected of Gove and Patel?

BBC: "Lib Dem minister Mr Huhne accused the Conservatives of "trashing" his party and Mr Cameron of doing nothing to stop personal attacks on Mr Clegg by the No campaign."

Guardian: "Cameron threw both the Tory machine and the considerable Tory bankbook at the operation."

That'll be a no then.

You stupid, stupid, bastard, Dave. You really are a quite phenomenally stupid bastard. Really, stunningly, brazenly stupid.

That's the convicted criminal Chris Huhne eh?

The Lib Dems are not a part of the Tory party anyway.

Dave hasn’t held back then.

I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.

Anabobazina said:

GIN1138 said:

Anabobazina said:

GIN1138 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1172556106788462593

If we've left the EU by 4th November I wouldn't rule out the Commons doing something crazy like electing Grieve as Speaker just as an act of defiance...

Would be excellent to see Harriet get the nod. She will be fantastic and do a great job. 👍

I'm hoping it's Lindsay.

The Commons needs someone pleasant, sensible, down to earth and non-partisan if its to start recovering its reputation from the ridiculous Speaker Bercow.

Bercow has been brilliant at stopping the government getting away with blue murder. He was a man for his time.

It is surely possible to get a Speaker who does not have Bercow's weaknesses while possessing his strengths, we don't have to pretend he must have been all great or all terrible, or that the good erases the bad and vice versa.

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1172556106788462593

Makes a November election almost impossible and a December election extremely tight for Thurs 12th Dec.

So Boris should be sage to beat the record for shortest serving PM unless he chooses to resign, even though he cannot do anything.

nico67 said:

I’m surely not the only one really excited about the Supreme Court case next week . The proceedings start at 10.30 am next Tuesday .

The Gina Miller case was excellent in terms of seeing how the judges dissected the QCs questions . I’m sure this case won’t disappoint .

It’s being live streamed which is good news .

I'm excited for the spectacle but not for the result. I think it's virtually certain they will find for the government. The consequences of not doing so will be baulked at.

Yet they will have to look at compelling evidence that the PM lied about his reason for the shutdown.

How they finesse the judgement will be fascinating.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Dave hasn’t held back then.

I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.

He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.

But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit

I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.

He won a majority and then created this mess.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Dave hasn’t held back then.

I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.

He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.

But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit

I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.

If he hadn't waited to make his contempt for Johnson public until now, but done it at the time , maybe Remain would have won. But of course, like all Tories, he put Party before Country.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation

As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng

In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris

I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo

And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment

Will catch up in early October

Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!

I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal

We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).

Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.

MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Dave hasn’t held back then.

I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.

He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.

But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit

I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.

I guessed as much.

But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.

If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.

I think he wants to correct the record, he's tired of the meme that he panicked in calling the referendum because UKIP won the 2014 Euros, but he planned a referendum well before.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Dave hasn’t held back then.

I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.

He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.

But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit

I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.

I guessed as much.

But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.

If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.

I think he wants to correct the record, he's tired of the meme that he panicked in calling the referendum because UKIP won the 2014 Euros, but he planned a referendum well before.

That makes him look even more incompetent.

No_Offence_Alan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Dave hasn’t held back then.

I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.

He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.

But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit

I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.

If he hadn't waited to make his contempt for Johnson public until now, but done it at the time , maybe Remain would have won. But of course, like all Tories, he put Party before Country.

And that's another one checked off - as predicted, we've already had criticism that he is saying something at all, and now criticism he didn't say something sooner.

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Dave hasn’t held back then.

I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.

He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.

But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit

I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.

I guessed as much.

But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.

If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.

No, but if it is just an apologism that will tell us a lot about him, and so still worthwhile. I suspect, unfortunately, it is still too recent and live an issue to be anything but an apologist case. But given the ego of Johnson his response should be interesting - both main parties have very little respect or love for their former leaders, more than that they seem to hold them in utter contempt most of the time, and it flows from top all the way to the bottom as well.

BoJo and Corbyn should take note - one day, sooner than they will like, their party memberships will despise them.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

I presume that interview is in the Saturday Times tomorrow?

Yes, and the first part of serialisation of the book, which continues into the Sunday Times.

Thanks. That’s my weekend reading material decided then.

rural_voter said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation

As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng

In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris

I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo

And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment

Will catch up in early October

Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!

I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal

We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).

Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.

MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.

Still spouting the same old Remoaner bullshit I see. The vote was not fraudulent and you are another sad sack who only likes democracy when you are winning.

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/HouseofCommons/status/1172556106788462593

Makes a November election almost impossible and a December election extremely tight for Thurs 12th Dec.

If the Commons decided it wanted a November election when it returns on 14th October the election of the new speaker could always be put back until the new Parliament convene's.

That said I can't see an election until next Spring at the earliest now.

Evening all

It'll be interesting to see what Cameron made of 2015 but the Conservative Party is a ruthless election machine and shows no mercy to any weakened opponent.

I suspect the LD brand was so toxic by 2015 nothing would have made any difference. The scale of the disaster, though well forecast by some on here, was a deep shock to the party and to be honest that party, the party I joined as a Liberal in 1980, died in 2015.

A new party has emerged, especially since 23/6/16, fiercely internationalist in outlook in a way the old party wan't yet most of the MPs are still from that old party.

Is it liberal? As I've said before, everyone has their own definition of liberal and far more people call themselves liberal than ever vote liberal. Boris Johnson calls himself "a massive liberal" - well, as Mr Meatloaf once opined, "two out of three ain't bad".

The_Taxman said:

rural_voter said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation

As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng

In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris

I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo

And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment

Will catch up in early October

Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!

I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal

We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).

Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.

MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.

+1 I agree.

+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas

Richard_Tyndall said:

rural_voter said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation

As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng

In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris

I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo

And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment

Will catch up in early October

Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!

I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal

We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).

Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.

MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.

Still spouting the same old Remoaner bullshit I see. The vote was not fraudulent and you are another sad sack who only likes democracy when you are winning.

B******s. If I'm a Remoaner, you're a Brexshit but I'm sad that you resort to insulting people who hold different views. It's usually an act of weakness ...

FWIW I agree with three past PMs who all said that referendums were an abomination. They clash with the UK's type of representative democracy. These people were Clem Attlee, Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher.

I now understand why they held this view, after a 2016 PM was so stupid as to call a referendum which might clash with a sovereign parliament. It was and is a continuing disaster. Over and out.

nichomar said:

The_Taxman said:

rural_voter said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation

As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng

In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris

I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo

And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment

Will catch up in early October

Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!

I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal

We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).

Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.

MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.

+1 I agree.

+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas

Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.

That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.

What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.

But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.

nichomar said:

SouthamObserver said:

Hilariously, Tim Martin is blaming the establishment for a 19% drop in profits at Wetherspoons. Wonderful stuff!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/wetherspoons-profits-drop-19-boss-blaming-remainers-8911577/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter

i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .

Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.

kle4 said:

nichomar said:

SouthamObserver said:

Hilariously, Tim Martin is blaming the establishment for a 19% drop in profits at Wetherspoons. Wonderful stuff!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/wetherspoons-profits-drop-19-boss-blaming-remainers-8911577/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter

i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .

Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.

Well he did have all his pint glasses marked with leave.eu so they should have a good idea

Margot James tomorrow maybe?

another_richard said:

nichomar said:

The_Taxman said:

rural_voter said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation

As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng

In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris

I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo

And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment

Will catch up in early October

Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!

I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal

We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).

Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.

MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.

+1 I agree.

+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas

Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.

That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.

What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.

But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.

So how is leaving going to benefit them?

If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote

Labour's Chief Whip says hello

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1172577457096089601

SouthamObserver said:

Hilariously, Tim Martin is blaming the establishment for a 19% drop in profits at Wetherspoons. Wonderful stuff!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/wetherspoons-profits-drop-19-boss-blaming-remainers-8911577/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter

He made a visit to a local pub in the area I live and the local press featured it before the event. I thought about going along to put him right on a few things he said on a Channel 4 interview a few days before. But to be honest I think my personal safety is more important than trying to put someone right. He does not like University educated people anyway, he forgets how much custom students put his way!

rural_voter said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

rural_voter said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

The_Taxman said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation

As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng

In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris

I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo

And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment

Will catch up in early October

Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!

I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal

We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).

Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.

MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.

Still spouting the same old Remoaner bullshit I see. The vote was not fraudulent and you are another sad sack who only likes democracy when you are winning.

B******s. If I'm a Remoaner, you're a Brexshit but I'm sad that you resort to insulting people who hold different views. It's usually an act of weakness ...

FWIW I agree with three past PMs who all said that referendums were an abomination. They clash with the UK's type of representative democracy. These people were Clem Attlee, Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher.

I now understand why they held this view, after a 2016 PM was so stupid as to call a referendum which might clash with a sovereign parliament. It was and is a continuing disaster. Over and out.

I liked your comment, to paraphrase "Tough on Brexit, Tough on the causes of Brexit"

rural_voter said:

Alistair said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Dave hasn’t held back then.

I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.

He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.

But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit

I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.

I guessed as much.

But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.

If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.

I think he wants to correct the record, he's tired of the meme that he panicked in calling the referendum because UKIP won the 2014 Euros, but he planned a referendum well before.

That makes him look even more incompetent.

I think that in my lifetime most of our brightest politicians went to grammar school not private school; I'm thinking of people like Harold Wilson, Roy Jenkins or Enoch Powell. Eton gives budding politicians a born to rule attitude but if they don't have the intellect to match, oh dear me ... they make elementary mistakes like calling a referendum which they're not 99.9% sure to win.

Harold Wilson was sure that the population would support his side in the 1975 vote, after Benn suggested it to him, and duly won by 67-33%. Cameron either didn't check what the chances were, or else he was so out of touch with Scunthorpe, Stoke, Cleethorpes et al that he didn't deserve to be PM.

Dominic Grieve is the apparent exception to the rule. It appears that he went to Westminster.

Even the Scottish referendum - only about 25% for Yes to begin with - gave Mr Cameron a very bad fright - he and his chums had to breach purdah in their panic. One might have thought he'd learnt his lesson.

NickPalmer said:

On topic: Bonkers idea - it'd simply further split the anti-Johnson vote. The seat is a good example of the problems of anti-Tory tactical voting. The seat is one where the winner will obviously be Johnson or Labour (who got 40% last time, while the LibDems got 3.9%). Ladbrokes suggesting that Labour might step aside suggests that the well-informed Shadsy is taking a well-earned holiday.

Did you see the paper on information gerrymandering? It includes a discussion of skewing information on how other people will vote, which is of course important for tactical voting.

Information gerrymandering in social networks skews collective decision-making
An analysis shows that information flow between individuals in a social network can be ‘gerrymandered’ to skew perceptions of how others in the community will vote — which can alter the outcomes of elections.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02562-z

TheScreamingEagles said:

A former Labour MP tweets

https://twitter.com/MikeFoster1403/status/1172574005209051136

Blair?

Will Cameron's memoirs reveal once and for all just what he actually did to that pig?

nichomar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

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kle4 said:

nichomar said:

SouthamObserver said:

Hilariously, Tim Martin is blaming the establishment for a 19% drop in profits at Wetherspoons. Wonderful stuff!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/wetherspoons-profits-drop-19-boss-blaming-remainers-8911577/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter

i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .

Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.

To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.

You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......

I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.

The_Taxman said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

nichomar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

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kle4 said:

nichomar said:

SouthamObserver said:

Hilariously, Tim Martin is blaming the establishment for a 19% drop in profits at Wetherspoons. Wonderful stuff!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/wetherspoons-profits-drop-19-boss-blaming-remainers-8911577/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter

i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .

Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.

To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.

You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......

I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.

Do you wear shell suits?

No!

Genuine Hackett and Burberry stuff that day.

DecrepitJohnL said:

NickPalmer said:

On topic: Bonkers idea - it'd simply further split the anti-Johnson vote. The seat is a good example of the problems of anti-Tory tactical voting. The seat is one where the winner will obviously be Johnson or Labour (who got 40% last time, while the LibDems got 3.9%). Ladbrokes suggesting that Labour might step aside suggests that the well-informed Shadsy is taking a well-earned holiday.

Did you see the paper on information gerrymandering? It includes a discussion of skewing information on how other people will vote, which is of course important for tactical voting.

Information gerrymandering in social networks skews collective decision-making
An analysis shows that information flow between individuals in a social network can be ‘gerrymandered’ to skew perceptions of how others in the community will vote — which can alter the outcomes of elections.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02562-z

Interesting. I've no doubt we'll see that in action.

The_Taxman said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Labour's Chief Whip says hello

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1172577457096089601

That's interesting he represents a Northeast seat. The sort of place abundant with Brexiteers...

He represents Newcastle. Which narrowly voted Remain.

TheScreamingEagles said:

nichomar said:

Margot James tomorrow maybe?

Heidi Allen.

I'm speaking there tomorrow (at the animal welfare fringe event) - will look out for familiar faces!

TheScreamingEagles said:

The_Taxman said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

nichomar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

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kle4 said:

nichomar said:

SouthamObserver said:

Hilariously, Tim Martin is blaming the establishment for a 19% drop in profits at Wetherspoons. Wonderful stuff!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/wetherspoons-profits-drop-19-boss-blaming-remainers-8911577/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter

i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .

Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.

To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.

You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......

I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.

Do you wear shell suits?

No!

Genuine Hackett and Burberry stuff that day.

Good British brands! Somebody once offered me some 'space gear' in a Wetherspoons. I just said no as I have no idea what he was referring too. I presumed it was drugs, so I surreptitiously had a word in the staffs ear and they barred him!

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A former Labour MP tweets

https://twitter.com/MikeFoster1403/status/1172574005209051136

Blair?

Don't be daft it's clearly Bercow.

Those who've backed him in Betfair's next Labour leader market will be mortified.

nichomar said:

The_Taxman said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

nichomar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

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kle4 said:

nichomar said:

SouthamObserver said:

Hilariously, Tim Martin is blaming the establishment for a 19% drop in profits at Wetherspoons. Wonderful stuff!

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/wetherspoons-profits-drop-19-boss-blaming-remainers-8911577/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter

i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .

Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.

To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.

You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......

I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.

Do you wear shell suits?

They have a Witherspoon’s in wilmslow no shell suits allowed.

No perms or moustaches either!

HYUFD said:

If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote

Are you really so bone-headedly stupid that you can't understand the difference between (1) people who don't want to plunge the country into the lunacy of a No Deal Brexit and (2) "diehard remainers"?

Chris said:

HYUFD said:

If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote

Are you really so bone-headedly stupid that you can't understand the difference between (1) people who don't want to plunge the country into the lunacy of a No Deal Brexit and (2) "diehard remainers"?

A QTWTAIY

dyedwoolie said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A former Labour MP tweets

https://twitter.com/MikeFoster1403/status/1172574005209051136

Blair?

I'm thinking Streeting or Hodge, it sounds anti-s based from the tweet

Won't be either of those.

How about Diana Johnson? On the way to being deselected. Doesn't like Corbyn. Labour friends of Israel. LDs quite strong in her patch

IanB2 said:

dyedwoolie said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A former Labour MP tweets

https://twitter.com/MikeFoster1403/status/1172574005209051136

Blair?

I'm thinking Streeting or Hodge, it sounds anti-s based from the tweet

Won't be either of those.

I think Ian is in the know😁😉

nichomar said:

IanB2 said:

dyedwoolie said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A former Labour MP tweets

https://twitter.com/MikeFoster1403/status/1172574005209051136

Blair?

I'm thinking Streeting or Hodge, it sounds anti-s based from the tweet

Won't be either of those.

I think Ian is in the know😁😉

I am not getting much LibDem gossip here in the Chicago sunshine.

dyedwoolie said:

The_Taxman said:

IanB2 said:

dyedwoolie said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A former Labour MP tweets

https://twitter.com/MikeFoster1403/status/1172574005209051136

Blair?

I'm thinking Streeting or Hodge, it sounds anti-s based from the tweet

Won't be either of those.

It could be Alistair Campbell?

Hes not in the labour party any more is he?

17 going on 18 and 21 today by the end of next week (maybe)

IanB2 said:

nichomar said:

IanB2 said:

dyedwoolie said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A former Labour MP tweets

https://twitter.com/MikeFoster1403/status/1172574005209051136

Blair?

I'm thinking Streeting or Hodge, it sounds anti-s based from the tweet

Won't be either of those.

I think Ian is in the know😁😉

I am not getting much LibDem gossip here in the Chicago sunshine.

Well you did think we would lose the Rushmoor by election🤣

justin124 said:

dyedwoolie said:

justin124 said:

IanB2 said:

dyedwoolie said:

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

A former Labour MP tweets

https://twitter.com/MikeFoster1403/status/1172574005209051136

Blair?

I'm thinking Streeting or Hodge, it sounds anti-s based from the tweet

Won't be either of those.

Gavin Shuker?

Hes not labour

He was until late February. It would seem a bit odd for a Labour MP to jump now having failed to do so earlier in the year - particularly as the party has now moved to backing a Referendum. Labour also leads the LDs in all the polls - in some cases by big margins.

Sure but the rumour is from labour to Lib dem