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The situation will never arise, we're not going to be leaving at all.TheScreamingEagles said:After reading the Yellowhammer assumptions No Deal is going to be so awesome we'll have rejoined the EU by 2021.
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I've never forgiven Grieve for his ludicrous behaviour in trying to stop the Guardian from publishing Prince Charles' letters to ministers. He spent millions of our money in the courts because they were so sensitive it would threaten Charles' future as king. The letter were published and can anyone remember anything that was in them.
Something about helping farmers?0 -
Doubt @GeoffM cares lolTheScreamingEagles said:
Plenty of leavers and Tories are prepared too. Boris Johnson I don't think is amongst that number.kle4 said:
They are prepared to risk it.Pulpstar said:
Sounds like Ireland needs a dealEl_Capitano said:"The agri-food sector [in Ireland] will be hardest hit... disruption to key sectors and job losses are likely to result in protests and direct action with road blockages."
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What commercial sensitivity?Benpointer said:
Gove's letter to Benn says it has been redacted on grounds of 'commercial sensitivity'.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:No sunlit uplands in Gibraltar.
I'm assuming para 15 relates to NI, and has been redacted on security grounds.0 -
That OE insouciance.ThomasNashe said:
Thing is he's been one of the very few ministers who's been prepared to face the media over the last week. Obviously this evening has been something of a car crash, but up until now I'd felt he'd been doing a relatively good job of defending the indefensible.dyedwoolie said:
What a twatTheScreamingEagles said:Many people are saying Kwasi Kwarteng is as dumb as a box of rocks.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1171850211590901760
Had been miles better than Nigel Evans, whose the other one who's been sent out to bat on this seam-friendly wicket.0 -
I think it's a lot worse than that.El_Capitano said:Quick conclusions after a first skim through:
1. No single smoking gun here but a lot of smouldering ones.
2. If we do end up with No Deal, it's going to be very hard now for the Government to plead innocence.
3. The disruption/civil unrest stuff is worrying. If you were the Real IRA or the Revolutionary Trots of Sydenham or whoever, I imagine it must be quite useful to have the Government enumerate its vulnerabilities like this.
4. There's a lot of "life will get a bit worse" in here. It only takes one of those to flare up. Britain collectively lost its shit a few years ago when petrol prices went up a bit... this envisages situations worse than that.
Just to pick a couple of examples, look at the parts about medicines for veterinary use, and about adult social care.
Both of those imply there could be major problems, and don't appear to suggest any kind of strategy for dealing with them.0 -
She was an industrial chemistnichomar said:0 -
That's where we disagree - I don't think he wants it, but I think he has gone too far down that route to pull back, and is too cowardly to do so in the face of BXP and ERG fury.Pulpstar said:
Doubt @GeoffM cares lolTheScreamingEagles said:
Plenty of leavers and Tories are prepared too. Boris Johnson I don't think is amongst that number.kle4 said:
They are prepared to risk it.Pulpstar said:
Sounds like Ireland needs a dealEl_Capitano said:"The agri-food sector [in Ireland] will be hardest hit... disruption to key sectors and job losses are likely to result in protests and direct action with road blockages."
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So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.0 -
So the government has a policy whereby it must publish a document which explains the "worst case" outcomes.
If only Jezza would do that for some of his policies.0 -
I don't know... it's been redacted!Sunil_Prasannan said:
What commercial sensitivity?Benpointer said:
Gove's letter to Benn says it has been redacted on grounds of 'commercial sensitivity'.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:No sunlit uplands in Gibraltar.
I'm assuming para 15 relates to NI, and has been redacted on security grounds.0 -
I think its nailed on some sort of WA will be presented after the QS and the PD will be removed and left to the next government to sort. The WA will pass imo.0
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"... there will likely be significant electricity price increases for consumers (business and domestic), with associated wider economic and political impacts."Pulpstar said:
Far more serious than anything NI related that one. Opinion will turn very very quickly against Brexit if fuel shoots up to £1.50 a litre or more.El_Capitano said:Britain collectively lost its shit a few years ago when petrol prices went up a bit... this envisages situations worse than that.
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The right-wing, Leaver, Press will assert, LOUDLY, that it’s all the fault of the EU.El_Capitano said:Quick conclusions after a first skim through:
1. No single smoking gun here but a lot of smouldering ones.
2. If we do end up with No Deal, it's going to be very hard now for the Government to plead innocence.
3. The disruption/civil unrest stuff is worrying. If you were the Real IRA or the Revolutionary Trots of Sydenham or whoever, I imagine it must be quite useful to have the Government enumerate its vulnerabilities like this.
4. There's a lot of "life will get a bit worse" in here. It only takes one of those to flare up. Britain collectively lost its shit a few years ago when petrol prices went up a bit... this envisages situations worse than that.0 -
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Was the government also required to provide the legal advice they received on prorogation?0
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I thought Tories admired people who work hard and accrue wealth?Alanbrooke said:
and in this instance that law is only accessible from the size of her bank balance.williamglenn said:
She’s a citizen of a democracy that supposedly operates under the rule of law.Alanbrooke said:
what business is it of hers ?Scott_P said:0 -
Yes, she worked as research chemist for a few years, famously got knocked back for a post at ICI for being too opinionated.not_on_fire said:
She was an industrial chemistnichomar said:0 -
Worth every penny:TOPPING said:
That OE insouciance.ThomasNashe said:
Thing is he's been one of the very few ministers who's been prepared to face the media over the last week. Obviously this evening has been something of a car crash, but up until now I'd felt he'd been doing a relatively good job of defending the indefensible.dyedwoolie said:
What a twatTheScreamingEagles said:Many people are saying Kwasi Kwarteng is as dumb as a box of rocks.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1171850211590901760
Had been miles better than Nigel Evans, whose the other one who's been sent out to bat on this seam-friendly wicket.
https://www.etoncollege.com/currentfees.aspx0 -
Cyclefree said:
So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
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There's a bit on what it calls the agri-food industry: paras 7i and 18 (in NI).Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.0 -
I concur.Recidivist said:
It would need a lot of tactical voting on the remain side and totally clueless voting on the Brexit side, but I think 10 to 1 on Labour is getting close to good value.StuartDickson said:Best prices - Outcome next UK GE
NOM 5/7
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They wont have received any legal advice, it's a standard procedure. The question is whether they fibbed about the reasonsBenpointer said:Was the government also required to provide the legal advice they received on prorogation?
Ergo any legal advice would be about 'lying to hmq' - you dont take that sort of legal advice0 -
The real stupidity about all this is the EU has constantly asked us to come up with solutions to the problems our decision to leave would cause. We have clearly identified the problems but seem devoid of any meaningful solutions after two and a half years.Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
What have we been doing? Spending all the time shouting from the rooftops that the result "must be respected" but doing nothing to mitigate the consequences of our own actions.0 -
Boris is a liar and owes Phil Hammond an apology
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With the backstop still in the WA? No chance. And no chance the EU will agree to remove it. Still stalemate.dyedwoolie said:I think its nailed on some sort of WA will be presented after the QS and the PD will be removed and left to the next government to sort. The WA will pass imo.
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Aye. Opinionated. That was Maggie right enough.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yes, she worked as research chemist for a few years, famously got knocked back for a post at ICI for being too opinionated.not_on_fire said:
She was an industrial chemistnichomar said:0 -
Sshhh .. we can't tell you, it's sensitive ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
What commercial sensitivity?Benpointer said:
Gove's letter to Benn says it has been redacted on grounds of 'commercial sensitivity'.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:No sunlit uplands in Gibraltar.
I'm assuming para 15 relates to NI, and has been redacted on security grounds.0 -
What is their Brexit policy?dyedwoolie said:Water vapour detected in the atmosphere of a 'super earth' 110 light years away that is in the habitable zone.
Let's all emigrate!1 -
This is great, this is when both my PB job and my paid employment sees me covering the same topic.0
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Is that it? All the 'sensible' people have been telling us it's going to be a disaster, a calamity that cannot be countenanced.Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
I often chat politics with a civil servant friend. He's a brexiteer (so make of that what you want) but he's fairly relaxed about it all, isn't too alarmed by no deal. He works with people who've worked for 30-40 years and their attitude is we've seen it all before.
I am a little nervous and it should be remembered that a single match can cause a house fire. But I'm more inclined to see no deal as a potentially long term chronic condition than a cardiac arrest.0 -
Out of interest why do you think that? It needs enough Labour MPs to counter the ERG spartans and the Griever gang, possibly the DUP, and adding up all the other opposition MPs bar a few handful of independents. Even with the PD removed and left to the next government, whoever that is, so enough Labour MPs really want to see Brexit done? Under Boris? Especially as Labour policy is deliberately designed to keep Labour leavers onside by promising them that a better deal than May or Boris will come and be able to be voted on in a referendum, meaning only anti-referendum MPs can be tempted.dyedwoolie said:I think its nailed on some sort of WA will be presented after the QS and the PD will be removed and left to the next government to sort. The WA will pass imo.
I'm curious at such continued optimism over a WA. The number of Tories opposed seems to go up the more the EU say they thing it is ok, and the more Labour MPs who say they might consider it - because that means it must be terrible.0 -
They believe firmly in the heptarchyNickPalmer said:
What is their Brexit policy?dyedwoolie said:Water vapour detected in the atmosphere of a 'super earth' 110 light years away that is in the habitable zone.
Let's all emigrate!0 -
Doubt it. There might be a few more Labour votes, but even fewer Tories.dyedwoolie said:I think its nailed on some sort of WA will be presented after the QS and the PD will be removed and left to the next government to sort. The WA will pass imo.
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I was about to say that means no one at work yells at you for logging onto PB too much, but I presume you are too important to be yelled at anyway.TheScreamingEagles said:This is great, this is when both my PB job and my paid employment sees me covering the same topic.
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Wasn’t she responsible for the consistency, and hence the saleability, of Mr Whippy Ice cream?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yes, she worked as research chemist for a few years, famously got knocked back for a post at ICI for being too opinionated.not_on_fire said:
She was an industrial chemistnichomar said:0 -
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Needs maybe 30 labour. He'd get them. Secure Brexit avoid no deal cliff edge.kle4 said:
Out of interest why do you think that? It needs enough Labour MPs to counter the ERG spartans and the Griever gang, possibly the DUP, and adding up all the other opposition MPs bar a few handful of independents. Even with the PD removed and left to the next government, whoever that is, so enough Labour MPs really want to see Brexit done? Under Boris? Especially as Labour policy is deliberately designed to keep Labour leavers onside by promising them that a better deal than May or Boris will come and be able to be voted on in a referendum, meaning only anti-referendum MPs can be tempted.dyedwoolie said:I think its nailed on some sort of WA will be presented after the QS and the PD will be removed and left to the next government to sort. The WA will pass imo.
I'm curious at such continued optimism over a WA.
Itll be a WA with 'something' to sticking plaster NI0 -
Five sides of A4 ?!
No one's going to convince me that there aren't filing cabinets worth of detail behind this that has not been shared.0 -
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.0 -
I did get yelled at yesterday morning by my staff.kle4 said:
I was about to say that means no one at work yells at you for logging onto PB too much, but I presume you are too important to be yelled at anyway.TheScreamingEagles said:This is great, this is when both my PB job and my paid employment sees me covering the same topic.
I said an external supplier was a 'cock juggling thunder c***' which apparently just sounds so wrong when I say it.0 -
"He was deceived by a lie! We all were!"TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
oh no how we survive!!!SandyRentool said:
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
I do note that the water scare has now been debunked.0 -
30 would not be enough (as 5 voted with it before), it would still need maybe another 10, and that assuming no more Tories vote against, which is improbable especially the ones who have subcontracted their vote to the DUP.dyedwoolie said:
Needs maybe 30 labour. He'd get them. Secure Brexit avoid no deal cliff edge.kle4 said:
Out of interest why do you think that? It needs enough Labour MPs to counter the ERG spartans and the Griever gang, possibly the DUP, and adding up all the other opposition MPs bar a few handful of independents. Even with the PD removed and left to the next government, whoever that is, so enough Labour MPs really want to see Brexit done? Under Boris? Especially as Labour policy is deliberately designed to keep Labour leavers onside by promising them that a better deal than May or Boris will come and be able to be voted on in a referendum, meaning only anti-referendum MPs can be tempted.dyedwoolie said:I think its nailed on some sort of WA will be presented after the QS and the PD will be removed and left to the next government to sort. The WA will pass imo.
I'm curious at such continued optimism over a WA.
Itll be a WA with 'something' to sticking plaster NI0 -
Have you actually read paragraph 6 on medical supplies? Don't you think it's a cause for concern? (That is a problem that will start on Day 1, and continue for at least 3 months, according to the document.)FrankBooth said:
Is that it? All the 'sensible' people have been telling us it's going to be a disaster, a calamity that cannot be countenanced.Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
I often chat politics with a civil servant friend. He's a brexiteer (so make of that what you want) but he's fairly relaxed about it all, isn't too alarmed by no deal. He works with people who've worked for 30-40 years and their attitude is we've seen it all before.
I am a little nervous and it should be remembered that a single match can cause a house fire. But I'm more inclined to see no deal as a potentially long term chronic condition than a cardiac arrest.0 -
She worked for Lyons at one point, I am unclear as to her role in the development of Mr. Whippy.OldKingCole said:
Wasn’t she responsible for the consistency, and hence the saleability, of Mr Whippy Ice cream?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yes, she worked as research chemist for a few years, famously got knocked back for a post at ICI for being too opinionated.not_on_fire said:
She was an industrial chemistnichomar said:
She'd probably have taken the Flake out of a 99, to reduce overheads, if she could.0 -
Is the redacted bit about refineries? Gilts? Forex?0
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ok thanksdyedwoolie said:
They wont have received any legal advice, it's a standard procedure. The question is whether they fibbed about the reasonsBenpointer said:Was the government also required to provide the legal advice they received on prorogation?
Ergo any legal advice would be about 'lying to hmq' - you dont take that sort of legal advice0 -
The Dover bloke said there will be good brie here but no English cheeses on the continent.SandyRentool said:
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
1-0 to EU farmers.0 -
Agriculture?Drutt said:Is the redacted bit about refineries? Gilts? Forex?
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I don't. But I do recall Michael Gove on Marr the other day saying that everyone would get "the food that they need".Chris said:Does anyone remember an interview in which Boris Johnson said he could guarantee that supplies of medicines would not be disrupted?
That was a game-changer for me. Because he is very able and I believed him. And if we can eat we can survive and prosper.
Gove. Head of No Deal Planning. He has our backs.0 -
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Amusingly - the effect of some of his plans would be far, far worse than Brexit - but hey Corbyn is the absolute boy.TOPPING said:So the government has a policy whereby it must publish a document which explains the "worst case" outcomes.
If only Jezza would do that for some of his policies.0 -
Not a problem; Somerset Brie is a more than adequate substitute.SandyRentool said:
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.0 -
The fact you continually moan about Brexit and cite the damage to vulnerable people whilst spending six years slavishly supporting Cameron and Osborne - now even calling leave voters suckers - you're beyond parody my friend.TheScreamingEagles said:1 -
It is surprising that a room full of people had to be working so hard to produce a six-page document with one paragrph redacted.Benpointer said:Five sides of A4 ?!
No one's going to convince me that there aren't filing cabinets worth of detail behind this that has not been shared.0 -
They might have seen it all before, but not all at the same time.FrankBooth said:I often chat politics with a civil servant friend. He's a brexiteer (so make of that what you want) but he's fairly relaxed about it all, isn't too alarmed by no deal. He works with people who've worked for 30-40 years and their attitude is we've seen it all before.
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Oh behave.FrankBooth said:
The fact you continually moan about Brexit and cite the damage to vulnerable people whilst spending six years slavishly supporting Cameron and Osborne - now even calling leave voters suckers - you're beyond parody my friend.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
As someone who has drafted many documents, albeit not so important, that rings very true as the one request that someone in authority will have made.Stuartinromford said:Oh, for pity's sake...
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Seeing as this is confirmed will we get to see the Operation Black Swan document as well?TheScreamingEagles said:Boris is a liar and owes Phil Hammond an apology
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My son couldn't get his meds today and my wife had to wait days last month for her meds - despite me ringing half the pharmacists in North Essex.Chris said:
Have you actually read paragraph 6 on medical supplies? Don't you think it's a cause for concern? (That is a problem that will start on Day 1, and continue for at least 3 months, according to the document.)FrankBooth said:
Is that it? All the 'sensible' people have been telling us it's going to be a disaster, a calamity that cannot be countenanced.Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
I often chat politics with a civil servant friend. He's a brexiteer (so make of that what you want) but he's fairly relaxed about it all, isn't too alarmed by no deal. He works with people who've worked for 30-40 years and their attitude is we've seen it all before.
I am a little nervous and it should be remembered that a single match can cause a house fire. But I'm more inclined to see no deal as a potentially long term chronic condition than a cardiac arrest.
Fecking Brexit eh?
oh wait - only a problem if Brexit can be blamed.0 -
Her finest achievement.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
She worked for Lyons at one point, I am unclear as to her role in the development of Mr. Whippy.OldKingCole said:
Wasn’t she responsible for the consistency, and hence the saleability, of Mr Whippy Ice cream?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yes, she worked as research chemist for a few years, famously got knocked back for a post at ICI for being too opinionated.not_on_fire said:
She was an industrial chemistnichomar said:
She'd probably have taken the Flake out of a 99, to reduce overheads, if she could.0 -
Somerset Brie is very good tbf. But there's no Somerset Gorgonzola, which could be a disaster.ThomasNashe said:
Not a problem; Somerset Brie is a more than adequate substitute.SandyRentool said:
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.0 -
After Yellowhammer:
What are the odds that the UK WILL NOT leave the EU at all ?0 -
I once did a 48 sheet poster for ICI. A simple concept. A can of tartan paint with the headline "When It Happens We'll Be There First'. The management decided this was too risky for a company like ICI because they might not be so after much soul searching it became " If it happens we'll be there". The exasperated agency tried to explain that such a change lost the point of the ad and lost the account shortly after.StuartDickson said:
Aye. Opinionated. That was Maggie right enough.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yes, she worked as research chemist for a few years, famously got knocked back for a post at ICI for being too opinionated.not_on_fire said:
She was an industrial chemistnichomar said:
ICI chemicals division is not a good idea for those with an opinion!0 -
Agri is in para 7Benpointer said:
Agriculture?Drutt said:Is the redacted bit about refineries? Gilts? Forex?
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My reports are named in escalating scalekle4 said:
As someone who has drafted many documents, albeit not so important, that rings very true as the one request that someone in authority will have made.Stuartinromford said:Oh, for pity's sake...
https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171864228879372289?s=19
1) Draft
2) Provisional
3) Please check for typos
4) Pending review0 -
I discovered Scottish Brie last week. However that will soon be subject to import restrictions in England too.ThomasNashe said:
Not a problem; Somerset Brie is a more than adequate substitute.SandyRentool said:
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.0 -
Another day with the same old shit
https://order-order.com/2019/09/11/top-labour-figures-attend-rally-stuffed-anti-semites/0 -
I had to go twice to get my monthly repeat prescription medicine. No convincing reason was given. Is shortage already developing ?Floater said:
My son couldn't get his meds today and my wife had to wait days last month for her meds - despite me ringing half the pharmacists in North Essex.Chris said:
Have you actually read paragraph 6 on medical supplies? Don't you think it's a cause for concern? (That is a problem that will start on Day 1, and continue for at least 3 months, according to the document.)FrankBooth said:
Is that it? All the 'sensible' people have been telling us it's going to be a disaster, a calamity that cannot be countenanced.Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
I often chat politics with a civil servant friend. He's a brexiteer (so make of that what you want) but he's fairly relaxed about it all, isn't too alarmed by no deal. He works with people who've worked for 30-40 years and their attitude is we've seen it all before.
I am a little nervous and it should be remembered that a single match can cause a house fire. But I'm more inclined to see no deal as a potentially long term chronic condition than a cardiac arrest.
Fecking Brexit eh?
oh wait - only a problem if Brexit can be blamed.
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Was it deepfried?SandyRentool said:
I discovered Scottish Brie last week. However that will soon be subject to import restrictions in England too.ThomasNashe said:
Not a problem; Somerset Brie is a more than adequate substitute.SandyRentool said:
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
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75:25. It's under assault from so many fronts, and its best chance now is either a clever remain plan backfires, or the Tories win a comfortable majority in an election. But the remainer plans have worked reasonably well so far, and the Tories and BXP could easily cock things up even if percentage wise they should succeed.surbiton19 said:After Yellowhammer:
What are the odds that the UK WILL NOT leave the EU at all ?0 -
No, that's food supply.Drutt said:
Agri is in para 7Benpointer said:
Agriculture?Drutt said:Is the redacted bit about refineries? Gilts? Forex?
Where's the impact on UK farming and fishing industries?0 -
Availability of petrol and diesel is something to which Governments are hypersensitive since the events of 2000 illustrated how quickly disruption in supply can cause huge problems.
I suspect we will see huge efforts by the Government to keep petrol and diesel supplies moving but the slightest hint of problems will cause panic buying which in turn will lead to shortages.
I well remember after 2000 people get their fuel tanks full for months after the protests ended fearing more disruption.0 -
Just remember how bad Brexit would be if we didn't hold all the cards?0
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Cenarth Brie is better. https://www.cawscenarth.co.uk/product-page/cenarth-brieThomasNashe said:
Not a problem; Somerset Brie is a more than adequate substitute.SandyRentool said:
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
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And if this was the plan - gosh that 'Dom and BoJo' combo!dyedwoolie said:I think its nailed on some sort of WA will be presented after the QS and the PD will be removed and left to the next government to sort. The WA will pass imo.
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Roger and Maggie: both too good for state-owned conglomerate.Roger said:
I once did a 48 sheet poster for ICI. A simple concept. A can of tartan paint with the headline "When It Happens We'll Be There First'. The management decided this was too risky for a company like ICI because they might not be so after much soul searching it became " If it happens we'll be there". The exasperated agency tried to explain that such a change lost the point of the ad and lost the account shortly after.StuartDickson said:
Aye. Opinionated. That was Maggie right enough.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yes, she worked as research chemist for a few years, famously got knocked back for a post at ICI for being too opinionated.not_on_fire said:
She was an industrial chemistnichomar said:
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Is that it? 5 sides of A4? My son's school report is longer.0
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Well yes if that is the extent of our no deal planning then five pages is pretty damning. But it really doesn’t matter because no deal will bring the Eu into line because it’s so terrible but will cause us only bumps in the road. Wake up Britain you’re led by a lying bastard who hasn’t got a clue what he is doing.Chris said:
It is surprising that a room full of people had to be working so hard to produce a six-page document with one paragrph redacted.Benpointer said:Five sides of A4 ?!
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Not a civil contingency matter, surely?Benpointer said:
No, that's food supply.Drutt said:
Agri is in para 7Benpointer said:
Agriculture?Drutt said:Is the redacted bit about refineries? Gilts? Forex?
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Suspect it's not stocked by Tesco though ...El_Capitano said:
Cenarth Brie is better. https://www.cawscenarth.co.uk/product-page/cenarth-brieThomasNashe said:
Not a problem; Somerset Brie is a more than adequate substitute.SandyRentool said:
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.0 -
I've unleashed a monster. And I don't eat bloody Brie!0
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What's your username on Guido? Do you leave your brain at the door?Floater said:Another day with the same old shit
https://order-order.com/2019/09/11/top-labour-figures-attend-rally-stuffed-anti-semites/0 -
Remember the sectoral impact reports?dixiedean said:Is that it? 5 sides of A4? My son's school report is longer.
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Probably not! But they do a similar cheese (Perl Wen) which has fairly widespread distribution... certainly Waitrose, I think I've seen it in regional Co-ops too.ThomasNashe said:
Suspect it's not stocked by Tesco though ...El_Capitano said:
Cenarth Brie is better. https://www.cawscenarth.co.uk/product-page/cenarth-brieThomasNashe said:
Not a problem; Somerset Brie is a more than adequate substitute.SandyRentool said:
It's official - no Good Brie!TheScreamingEagles said:Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.0 -
His username there isRoger said:
What's your username on Guido? Do you leave your brain at the door?Floater said:Another day with the same old shit
https://order-order.com/2019/09/11/top-labour-figures-attend-rally-stuffed-anti-semites/
'IHateAntiSemitesButIWillVoteForABrexiteerWhoRepeatedAWellKnownAntiSemiticTrope'1 -
Be fair, they've only been working on it for a year.dixiedean said:Is that it? 5 sides of A4? My son's school report is longer.
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You're right. Perhaps the redacted part is a projection for bulk foodstuff prices, which is redacted because of its impact on the futures market for those commodities.Benpointer said:
No, that's food supply.Drutt said:
Agri is in para 7Benpointer said:
Agriculture?Drutt said:Is the redacted bit about refineries? Gilts? Forex?
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Call me old-fashioned, but I think that brie should come from France, whisky should come from Scotland and London gin should come from London.0
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I thought the Brexit vote split 50/50 amongst the low income. It was the old who voted for Brexit in numbers.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Speculation on Twitter is that the redacted para 15 is the Times story about two oil refineries going bust.
https://twitter.com/_Andalucia_/status/11718708510268825610 -
Which is bloody daft. One side A4 is more than enough for a school report.dixiedean said:Is that it? 5 sides of A4? My son's school report is longer.
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All whisky comes from the good place surely? If it's not Scots its whiskeyStuartDickson said:Call me old-fashioned, but I think that brie should come from France, whisky should come from Scotland and London gin should come from London.
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The poorest households, with incomes of less than £20,000 per year, were much more likely to support leaving the EU than the wealthiest households, as were the unemployed, people in low-skilled and manual occupations, people who feel that their financial situation has worsened, and those with no qualifications.Alistair said:
I thought the Brexit vote split 50/50 amongst the low income. It was the old who voted for Brexit in numbers.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Agreed.StuartDickson said:Call me old-fashioned, but I think that brie should come from France, whisky should come from Scotland and London gin should come from London.
On the plus side, the delays at coastal ports should mean proper Brie is already nice and ripe by the time it gets to the supermarkets.
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It will be. Everything from a bad olympics, floods, listeria outbreak, hysteria outbreaks, power cuts, libor rate misspelling, earthquakes, meteorites, stalactites and stalagmites* And you know, when they bring the tea in on a tray, knock a door and drop it, brexit will be blamed.Floater said:
My son couldn't get his meds today and my wife had to wait days last month for her meds - despite me ringing half the pharmacists in North Essex.Chris said:
Have you actually read paragraph 6 on medical supplies? Don't you think it's a cause for concern? (That is a problem that will start on Day 1, and continue for at least 3 months, according to the document.)FrankBooth said:
Is that it? All the 'sensible' people have been telling us it's going to be a disaster, a calamity that cannot be countenanced.Cyclefree said:So reduced choice of food and prices up, increased petrol and electricity prices.
Vulnerable groups ie the poor hit hardest
Marvellous.
Meanwhile Boris’s mates who have shorted the pound will make a killing.
What was that about Brexit being revenge against the elite?
Document does not seem to mention agriculture, unless I’ve missed it.
I often chat politics with a civil servant friend. He's a brexiteer (so make of that what you want) but he's fairly relaxed about it all, isn't too alarmed by no deal. He works with people who've worked for 30-40 years and their attitude is we've seen it all before.
I am a little nervous and it should be remembered that a single match can cause a house fire. But I'm more inclined to see no deal as a potentially long term chronic condition than a cardiac arrest.
Fecking Brexit eh?
oh wait - only a problem if Brexit can be blamed.
And quite rightly too. No problem with any of that.
*yes has been going on that long.0
