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Kinnock was a tutor for the WEA, he will have made a real difference to some too0
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If they downgrade the to-be-released version to Operation Greenhammer we might learn a lot0
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It is the media stoking all of this. Especially the Brexit supporting media. They perhaps need to ratchet up before finally walking away from supporting the biggest non-war destruction on an advanced economy, I can think policymakers have proactively implemented? No Deal Brexit will wreck the economy.AndyJS said:The tribalism of Remainers and Leavers is getting a bit tiresome now. We know they're never going to agree on anything.
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Agreed. And whilst I'd wish to remain in the EU, I thought Ken Clarke the other night stood out like a beacon in the darkness. A man prepared to compromise on his own views in order to land a soft Brexit.AndyJS said:The tribalism of Remainers and Leavers is getting a bit tiresome now. We know they're never going to agree on anything.
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He's on a hiding to nothing. Pity that the PM isn't sat there.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Kwasi Kwarteng drowning on the Andrew Neil Show. Eton really is quite the waste of money, isn't it?
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Yes, driving through Ohio today, some pro-Trump talk station was making a lot of this.AndyJS said:The New York Times has deleted a tweet they posted earlier today about 9/11 and replaced it with another one. The original tweet said the following:
"18 years have passed since airplanes took aim and brought down the World Trade Center... where more than 2000 people died".
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Though he did say that his one contribution to rock music was deciding to give it up.not_on_fire said:
Tony Blair was in a banddyedwoolie said:
Paddy ashdownnichomar said:Name me one party leader in the last thirty years who has done anything with their life outside of politics that was any use to anyone but themselves?
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It was an attempt to talk about something different and to a degree has succeeded 😊dyedwoolie said:Kinnock was a tutor for the WEA, he will have made a real difference to some too
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nichomar said:
It was an attempt to talk about something different and to a degree has succeeded 😊dyedwoolie said:Kinnock was a tutor for the WEA, he will have made a real difference to some too
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Spare a thought for her majesty.0
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So far:SandyRentool said:
He's on a hiding to nothing. Pity that the PM isn't sat there.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Kwasi Kwarteng drowning on the Andrew Neil Show. Eton really is quite the waste of money, isn't it?
Judges might not be impartial
Boris doesn't have to obey the law
Stellar performance.
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Depends what you want if for I guess. Apparently it is not making bright people out of dullards, but it does seem to provide boundless self confidence that, along with a bit of cash, helps propel such people to very high positions indeed. Money well spent for the families I guess.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Kwasi Kwarteng drowning on the Andrew Neil Show. Eton really is quite the waste of money, isn't it?
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Yes it does and it will - in fact it is - but the nightmare would be that he nevertheless manages to ride a softhead populist wave to an overall majority. Let us pray that he doesn't.Stuartinromford said:It makes more sense of that bizarre speech in front of the police last week.
The schtick is going to wear thin pretty quickly.
If he lasts that long.
We're getting the worst of both worlds in a sense. Like any comedian he is losing it as he ages. He's trying to secure that last big tour before he gets rumbled - which would be fine if the 'tour' was not 5 years running the country.
If we HAD to have had Freddie Starr as PM it would have been preferable to have had him when he was slaying the palladium rather than when he was reduced to pretending to have eaten a hamster.1 -
"We is not amused!"FrankBooth said:Spare a thought for her majesty.
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The usual suspects will soon be along to defend Eton for being “aspirational”kle4 said:
Depends what you want if for I guess. Apparently it is not making bright people out of dullards, but it does seem to provide boundless self confidence that, along with a bit of cash, helps propel such people to very high positions indeed. Money well spent for the families I guess.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Kwasi Kwarteng drowning on the Andrew Neil Show. Eton really is quite the waste of money, isn't it?
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She must have been reading your posts...Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
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What's the name of the school that adequately prepares you for a Brillo grilling?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Kwasi Kwarteng drowning on the Andrew Neil Show. Eton really is quite the waste of money, isn't it?
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How does this work? Who chooses the questions Boris gets to answer?Scott_P said:0 -
Kwarteng imploding on the AN Show.
Utterly disgraceful attempt to stir up more division but trying to avoid saying it himself by some desperate attempt to say the public thinks that.
Then moaning about lawyers but ignoring the fact that the government will try and take the Benn Bill to Court .
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Lord Justice Sumption says; "As the Tories don't have a majority they can't exercise the Royal perogative" Sounds like a reasonable 'sumption0
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I'm sure she likes travelling by trainSandyRentool said:
She must have been reading your posts...Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
BoZo chooses themBenpointer said:How does this work? Who chooses the questions Boris gets to answer?
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HardknocksDrutt said:
What's the name of the school that adequately prepares you for a Brillo grilling?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Kwasi Kwarteng drowning on the Andrew Neil Show. Eton really is quite the waste of money, isn't it?
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Well looks like we’re going to experience a gota fria it may well be quite an experience0
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Not sure how he works that out, the legislature can vote to do what it wants but the RP isn't dependent on a majorityRoger said:Lord Justice Sumption says; "As the Tories don't have a majority they can't exercise the Royal perogative" Sounds like a reasonable 'sumption
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Seriously? Why is any serious news outlet (especially the Guardian) covering it then?Scott_P said:
BoZo chooses themBenpointer said:How does this work? Who chooses the questions Boris gets to answer?
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“He wants to drag me down from Balmoral to read out a load of old bollocks wearing a crown that weighs a tonne. What a fucking liberty!”dyedwoolie said:0 -
Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!0
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Dom on manouveres?!SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
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Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
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Not only that, but they will want to see what the government doesn't want them to see. It's only human nature.OllyT said:0 -
I think his 'crime' was to be wearing a T-shirt with an anti-racism slogan on it, but I couldn't read it properly.Benpointer said:
Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
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Dominic Cummings?Benpointer said:
How does this work? Who chooses the questions Boris gets to answer?Scott_P said:0 -
Lord Sutch too.not_on_fire said:
Tony Blair was in a banddyedwoolie said:
Paddy ashdownnichomar said:Name me one party leader in the last thirty years who has done anything with their life outside of politics that was any use to anyone but themselves?
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He appeared behind Farage during his Andrew Neil interview.Benpointer said:
Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
Wearing a t shirt 'KEEP IMMIGRANTS, Deport The Racists'0 -
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Yippee-ki-yay!Benpointer said:
Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
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I thought he asked them and Boris chose which to answer.OblitusSumMe said:
Dominic Cummings?Benpointer said:
How does this work? Who chooses the questions Boris gets to answer?Scott_P said:
Or is it the other way round?0 -
That is surely the point. If the legislature doesn't represent a majority in parliament it has no authority to permit the executive to exercise the Royal perogative.dyedwoolie said:
Not sure how he works that out, the legislature can vote to do what it wants but the RP isn't dependent on a majorityRoger said:Lord Justice Sumption says; "As the Tories don't have a majority they can't exercise the Royal perogative" Sounds like a reasonable 'sumption
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'Keep the immigrants, deport the racists'SandyRentool said:
I think his 'crime' was to be wearing a T-shirt with an anti-racism slogan on it, but I couldn't read it properly.Benpointer said:
Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
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Absent the prerogative power HMG couldn't declare war. If that view is the correct one then a minority government would be unable to adequately control the armed forces.Roger said:Lord Justice Sumption says; "As the Tories don't have a majority they can't exercise the Royal perogative" Sounds like a reasonable 'sumption
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That poses a problem with racist immigrants.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He appeared behind Farage during his Andrew Neil interview.Benpointer said:
Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
Wearing a t shirt 'KEEP IMMIGRANTS, Deport The Racists'2 -
HYUFD?Benpointer said:
Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
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It would not surprise me if it was staged to get attention. I always remember Trump had similar incident's with several themes. One was a man who Trump ordered his protection detail to remove, another was a baby who Trump ordered to "get the baby out". They showed the clips on the news. I forget the other incidents but who wants to pay attention to that sort on rubbish.SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
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Here you go.
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Of whom were you thinking?SandyRentool said:
That poses a problem with racist immigrants.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He appeared behind Farage during his Andrew Neil interview.Benpointer said:
Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
Wearing a t shirt 'KEEP IMMIGRANTS, Deport The Racists'0 -
Over in America North Carolina Republicans look to win battles and lose wars
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Haha - well done that man!TheScreamingEagles said:Here you go.
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IIRC she helped create Instant Whippy ice cream.not_on_fire said:1 -
Hasn’t that been essentially codified by the votes on Syria?Drutt said:
Absent the prerogative power HMG couldn't declare war. If that view is the correct one then a minority government would be usnable to adequately control the armed forces.Roger said:Lord Justice Sumption says; "As the Tories don't have a majority they can't exercise the Royal perogative" Sounds like a reasonable 'sumption
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The legislature IS parliament. It must pass a VONC to remove the executive, in which the powers of the RP lie. It doesn't 'permit' use of RP, RP is an executive power regardless of parliamentRoger said:
That is surely the point. If the legislature doesn't represent a majority in parliament it has no authority to permit the executive to exercise the Royal perogative.dyedwoolie said:
Not sure how he works that out, the legislature can vote to do what it wants but the RP isn't dependent on a majorityRoger said:Lord Justice Sumption says; "As the Tories don't have a majority they can't exercise the Royal perogative" Sounds like a reasonable 'sumption
Sounds like the mad old coot made a good decision to retire0 -
UNS would give 29 Tory gains from Labour offset by 13 losses to LDs and circa 10 to SNP - a total of 323. Labour would win circa 225 with LDs on circa 30.HYUFD said:
Electoral Calculus gives a Tory majority of 56.TheScreamingEagles said:Latest YouGov poll
Con 32 (-3)
Lab 23 (+2)
LD 19 (nc)
Brexit 14 (+2)
Green 7 (nc)
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/11/voting-intention-con-32-lab-23-lib-dem-19-brex-14-
Tories 353, Labour 195, LDs 40
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?CON=32&LAB=23&LIB=19&Brexit=14&Green=7&UKIP=1&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTBrexit=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2017base0 -
Many people are saying Kwasi Kwarteng is as dumb as a box of rocks.
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What a twatTheScreamingEagles said:Many people are saying Kwasi Kwarteng is as dumb as a box of rocks.
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"Any disuption would reduce our ability to prevent and control disease outbreaks... industry stockpiling will not be able to match the 4-12 weeks worth of stockpiling which took place in March 2019"
Jeepers.0 -
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"The agri-food sector [in Ireland] will be hardest hit... disruption to key sectors and job losses are likely to result in protests and direct action with road blockages."
"Up to 282 EU/EEA fishing vessels could enter illegally... this is likely to cause anger and frustration in the UK catching sector, which could lead to both clashes between fishing vessels and an increase in non-compliance in the domestic fleet."0 -
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"In a reasonable worst case scenario, HGVs could face maximum delays of 1.5-2.5 days before being able to cross the [UK/France] border... significant disruption lasting up to six months. Unmitigated, this will have an impact on the supply of medicines and medical supplies... three-quarters of medicines come via the short straits... it will not be practical to stockpile products to cover expected delays of up to six months."0
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It increasingly seems that Jeremy Corbyn is the adult in the room.
Disappointing both to his supporters and his opponents.2 -
Her degree was but I don’t think she used it before doing a law degreenot_on_fire said:
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Guardian - serious news outlet?Benpointer said:
Seriously? Why is any serious news outlet (especially the Guardian) covering it then?Scott_P said:
BoZo chooses themBenpointer said:How does this work? Who chooses the questions Boris gets to answer?
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Yes, thank-you, so I see.Cyclefree said:
They are refusing to provide that information.Benpointer said:Edit: Deleted due to my infallible timing
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Have the last three years been in part a failure of the Monarchy?FrankBooth said:Spare a thought for her majesty.
I know she told us at Christmas to be nice to each other, and understand each other, but I can't help but feel that if she's been providing words of wisdom to her ministers they haven't been wise or persuasive enough.0 -
No sunlit uplands in Gibraltar.
I'm assuming para 15 relates to NI, and has been redacted on security grounds.0 -
"Member States do not agree to extend the current healthcare arrangements for UK state pensioners [abroad] and tourists beyond 31 October... there is a risk of disruption for patients and a minority could face substantial costs."
"Protests and counter-protests will take place across the UK and may absorb significant amounts of police resource. There may be a rise in public disorder and community tensions."
"Border delays could affect fuel distribution... in London and the South-East. Customer behaviour could lead to local shortages in other parts of the country. Low income groups will be disproportionately affected by any price rises in food and fuel."0 -
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"Price and other differentials [in NI] are likely to lead to the growth of the illegitimate economy. This will be particularly severe in border communities where both criminal and dissident groups already operate with greater threat and impunity."0
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In much more important news than Brexit, why is this the first time I am hearing about an adaptation of the Watch group of characters from Discworld?!
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2479518/game-of-thrones-richard-dormer-set-to-lead-another-giant-fantasy-tv-show
Never been convinced TV is a good medium for Discworld, but this is still stop the presses news.2 -
Only a worst case scenarioEl_Capitano said:"In a reasonable worst case scenario, HGVs could face maximum delays of 1.5-2.5 days before being able to cross the [UK/France] border... significant disruption lasting up to six months. Unmitigated, this will have an impact on the supply of medicines and medical supplies... three-quarters of medicines come via the short straits... it will not be practical to stockpile products to cover expected delays of up to six months."
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Strange question, however...nichomar said:Name me one party leader in the last thirty years who has done anything with their life outside of politics that was any use to anyone but themselves?
Mr Cleggover put a smile on the faces of at least 30 ladies. We trust.
John Major and Surrey CC.
Paddy Ashdown and the Balkans.
And pretty much all of them have done worthwhile stuff around causes they support.0 -
Sounds like Ireland needs a dealEl_Capitano said:"The agri-food sector [in Ireland] will be hardest hit... disruption to key sectors and job losses are likely to result in protests and direct action with road blockages."
El_Capitano said:
"Up to 282 EU/EEA fishing vessels could enter illegally... this is likely to cause anger and frustration in the UK catching sector, which could lead to both clashes between fishing vessels and an increase in non-compliance in the domestic fleet."Sink emNorway owns its waters. Do they have frequent violations ?0 -
After reading the Yellowhammer assumptions No Deal is going to be so awesome we'll have rejoined the EU by 2021.2
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"I'm just saying what people are saying". Even as dumb as he must be to say that, surely he still knows how dumb it is?TheScreamingEagles said:Many people are saying Kwasi Kwarteng is as dumb as a box of rocks.
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No one in particular. Just a wonky thought experiment.OldKingCole said:
Of whom were you thinking?SandyRentool said:
That poses a problem with racist immigrants.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He appeared behind Farage during his Andrew Neil interview.Benpointer said:
Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
Wearing a t shirt 'KEEP IMMIGRANTS, Deport The Racists'0 -
That’s a rubbish reason. These people are employees of the government. As such, their work material belongs to the government and the government has the right to deal with the material as it sees fit. Employees generally don’t have the right to stop their employers doing what they want with their own property.Scott_P said:
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Shh, we're not supposed to think about that.SandyRentool said:
That poses a problem with racist immigrants.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He appeared behind Farage during his Andrew Neil interview.Benpointer said:
Is he a Diehard Remainer?SandyRentool said:Bloke just been ejected from the Farage rally!
Wearing a t shirt 'KEEP IMMIGRANTS, Deport The Racists'0 -
'Some cross-border UK financial services will be disrupted'
Not to worry lads, the financial services industry is only the largest contributor to the Exchequer.1 -
Thing is he's been one of the very few ministers who's been prepared to face the media over the last week. Obviously this evening has been something of a car crash, but up until now I'd felt he'd been doing a relatively good job of defending the indefensible.dyedwoolie said:
What a twatTheScreamingEagles said:Many people are saying Kwasi Kwarteng is as dumb as a box of rocks.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1171850211590901760
Had been miles better than Nigel Evans, whose the other one who's been sent out to bat on this seam-friendly wicket.0 -
Gove's letter to Benn says it has been redacted on grounds of 'commercial sensitivity'.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:No sunlit uplands in Gibraltar.
I'm assuming para 15 relates to NI, and has been redacted on security grounds.1 -
Quick conclusions after a first skim through:
1. No single smoking gun here but a lot of smouldering ones.
2. If we do end up with No Deal, it's going to be very hard now for the Government to plead innocence.
3. The disruption/civil unrest stuff is worrying. If you were the Real IRA or the Revolutionary Trots of Sydenham or whoever, I imagine it must be quite useful to have the Government enumerate its vulnerabilities like this.
4. There's a lot of "life will get a bit worse" in here. It only takes one of those to flare up. Britain collectively lost its shit a few years ago when petrol prices went up a bit... this envisages situations worse than that.1 -
Do you think that statement is a smoking gun? They might as well tell us the Pope's a ....TheScreamingEagles said:'Some cross-border UK financial services will be disrupted'
Not to worry lads, the financial services industry is only the largest contributor to the Exchequer.0 -
Looks like the courts are going to be busy again!Cyclefree said:
That’s a rubbish reason. These people are employees of the government. As such, their work material belongs to the government and the government has the right to deal with the material as it sees fit. Employees generally don’t have the right to stop their employers doing what they want with their own property.Scott_P said:0 -
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They are prepared to risk it.Pulpstar said:
Sounds like Ireland needs a dealEl_Capitano said:"The agri-food sector [in Ireland] will be hardest hit... disruption to key sectors and job losses are likely to result in protests and direct action with road blockages."
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Far more serious than anything NI related that one. Opinion will turn very very quickly against Brexit if fuel shoots up to £1.50 a litre or more.El_Capitano said:Britain collectively lost its shit a few years ago when petrol prices went up a bit... this envisages situations worse than that.
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Does anyone remember an interview in which Boris Johnson said he could guarantee that supplies of medicines would not be disrupted?El_Capitano said:"In a reasonable worst case scenario, HGVs could face maximum delays of 1.5-2.5 days before being able to cross the [UK/France] border... significant disruption lasting up to six months. Unmitigated, this will have an impact on the supply of medicines and medical supplies... three-quarters of medicines come via the short straits... it will not be practical to stockpile products to cover expected delays of up to six months."
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We're going to sell NI to the Republic? Will they pay in Euro?Benpointer said:
Gove's letter to Benn says it has been redacted on grounds of 'commercial sensitivity'.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:No sunlit uplands in Gibraltar.
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Whatever happened to the poster called Geoff from Gibraltar?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Yeah, you're almost certainly right.Pulpstar said:
Far more serious than anything NI related that one. Opinion will turn very very quickly against Brexit if fuel shoots up to £1.50 a litre or more.El_Capitano said:Britain collectively lost its shit a few years ago when petrol prices went up a bit... this envisages situations worse than that.
A highways engineer made the observation on Twitter the other day that "Any effort to restrict car use in the UK has a similar backlash to any effort to restrict gun use in the USA". I'd not thought of the comparison before but he has a point.0