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These Brexiteers want No Deal or nothing. They have gone mad. They are willing to inflict economic catastrophe on 100,000s of people across the UK for a stupid fantasy. And a fantasy that was not even mentioned during the campaign.
The most dangerous people to have served as MPs in generations.
It is not holds bar now. These people must be stopped no matter what cost to the Tory party.
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NE of Scotland, home of UK fishing, one of the worst hit places? Surely not?Scott_P said:0 -
He was trying to say cricket used to be bollocks ?ydoethur said:
To give him his Jew, I think it was just a typo.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Antisemitism alert!rottenborough said:Crowd at Birmingham sound like they've been drinking all day. But is only 11am.
I am old enough to remember cricket being gentile.
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I fervently hope that Hammond, Letwin and co are spending August plotting to bring this government down before it destroys the UK economy for a generation.0
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Could I respectfully query your thinking (and that of Richard Nabavi and others) about resigning from the party. If ProjectBoris crashes there will be a huge and urgent need to pick up the pieces. This will need good and sane people to do the picking up and to find a viable way forward. To put oneself in a position of having neither vote nor influence will not, I think, help.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the dayGardenwalker said:How many hospitals does £6bn buy?
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party0 -
Utter madness. This is a potential economic policy crime. There is no other word. Those about to inflict on the UK should be charged with malfeasance and misconduct in public office.Theuniondivvie said:
NE of Scotland, home of UK fishing, one of the worst hit places? Surely not?Scott_P said:0 -
The problem is the alternative is Corbyn who would do far more damage.rottenborough said:I fervently hope that Hammond, Letwin and co are spending August plotting to bring this government down before it destroys the UK economy for a generation.
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Or he doesn't know how to spell genteel?ydoethur said:
To give him his Jew, I think it was just a typo.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Antisemitism alert!rottenborough said:Crowd at Birmingham sound like they've been drinking all day. But is only 11am.
I am old enough to remember cricket being gentile.0 -
We should be circumspect in our appraisal of the match.Nigelb said:
He was trying to say cricket used to be bollocks ?ydoethur said:
To give him his Jew, I think it was just a typo.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Antisemitism alert!rottenborough said:Crowd at Birmingham sound like they've been drinking all day. But is only 11am.
I am old enough to remember cricket being gentile.0 -
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I do accept your argument and that is why I remain a member.PeterC said:
Could I respectfully query your thinking (and that of Richard Nabavi and others) about resigning from the party. If ProjectBoris crashes there will be a huge and urgent need to pick up the pieces. This will need good and sane people to do the picking up and to find a viable way forward. To put oneself in a position of having neither vote nor influence will not, I think, help.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the dayGardenwalker said:How many hospitals does £6bn buy?
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
However if the Francois Baker lot prevail I could not remain0 -
They must not prevail. They must be stopped. Our country is in grave peril.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do accept your argument and that is why I remain a member.PeterC said:
Could I respectfully query your thinking (and that of Richard Nabavi and others) about resigning from the party. If ProjectBoris crashes there will be a huge and urgent need to pick up the pieces. This will need good and sane people to do the picking up and to find a viable way forward. To put oneself in a position of having neither vote nor influence will not, I think, help.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the dayGardenwalker said:How many hospitals does £6bn buy?
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
However if the Francois Baker lot prevail I could not remain0 -
The idea of the SCons having a load of MPs in play as an enduring element in UK political arithmetic is on a par with moving about Army Detachment Steiner on the map.williamglenn said:This is a new one. A separate SCon party would allow the Conservatives to bring in the DUP on the same terms as a unionist alliance.
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Boris doing well because there are some many loons who want to self-inflect the economic devastation of No Deal.Scott_P said:0 -
And then what.rottenborough said:I fervently hope that Hammond, Letwin and co are spending August plotting to bring this government down before it destroys the UK economy for a generation.
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You know the Aussies have problems when even Ian Bell starts trolling them: https://twitter.com/Ian_Bell/status/11568776600370339841
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Mr Johnson starts with worse satisfaction ratings than Theresa May, Gordon Brown and John Major in their first month after entering office mid-Parliament.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-crisis-as-voters-say-party-should-dump-jeremy-corbyn-before-the-next-general-election-a4203251.html0 -
I wonder if Johnson struggles to understand the dynamics of Northern Ireland beyond his own personal advantage. If he does have a handle on the situation and he is brave enough to snub the Nationalists openly, he must be expecting the GFA to unravel and have a plan to deal with the consequences.williamglenn said:This is a new one. A separate SCon party would allow the Conservatives to bring in the DUP on the same terms as a unionist alliance.
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We are heading to constitutional warfare this early Autumn:
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Boris and his advisers are the Establishment. They became so in 2016. May was trying to rein in, and talk some sense into the new Establishment, with little success.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the dayGardenwalker said:How many hospitals does £6bn buy?
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
The band of Brexiters don't seem to have twigged yet. They are in control. They took it back. It is theirs for good or ill.0 -
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When You've got a ruined building, sometimes it's jus better to build a new one from scratch, possibly in a different location, than try and repair the old one.PeterC said:
Could I respectfully query your thinking (and that of Richard Nabavi and others) about resigning from the party. If ProjectBoris crashes there will be a huge and urgent need to pick up the pieces. This will need good and sane people to do the picking up and to find a viable way forward. To put oneself in a position of having neither vote nor influence will not, I think, help.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the dayGardenwalker said:How many hospitals does £6bn buy?
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
I think this applies to all the main parties, which are all damaged to a greater and lesser degree.
Realignment time.0 -
He probably will against useless Corbyn, but what alternative is there to trying?Big_G_NorthWales said:
And then what.rottenborough said:I fervently hope that Hammond, Letwin and co are spending August plotting to bring this government down before it destroys the UK economy for a generation.
Boris could win
I don't believe Boris can be blocked from No Deal any other way. Hope I am wrong.0 -
No it isn't. I f Parliament asserts itself, there are any number of reasonable options that exclude the extremist headbangers of both sides.ydoethur said:
The problem is the alternative is Corbyn who would do far more damage.rottenborough said:I fervently hope that Hammond, Letwin and co are spending August plotting to bring this government down before it destroys the UK economy for a generation.
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Peaked at 34 would you believe. And troughed at 6.Pulpstar said:You can "cash out" by laying the Tories at a lower price than your back. Indeed spread betting you're often locked in as Sporting Index often "suspend" the markets.
Betfair has the annoying premium charge but 25-1 would never have been offered at a regular bookies on the Tories so backing on Betfair does allow you to quite literally "cash in".
Back at 34 and (over) lay at 6 would have been great.
Course, nobody ever quite manages that.0 -
Rubbish David, the man is just a bombastic snake oil salesman. Everything he has promised so far is pure lies and can only beggar everyone but him and his chums.DavidL said:
I think that pretty much sums it up. He just might surprise us on the competence thing, There is a ruthlessness in him which not only drives his self indulgence and narcissism but also means he tends to get what he wants.ydoethur said:
Yes. I think, as with Palmerston or Eden or Wilson, this would be much less of an issue if it wasn't part of the wider problem that he's treacherous, dishonest, self-indulgent and incompetent.DavidL said:
Does it make me think less of him as a man? Undoubtedly. Does it make him less trustworthy? Is that even possible, I mean, really. Will it influence my vote? Absolutely no chance. I think that the vast majority are much more interested in how he does the day job and that is problematic enough.SouthamObserver said:I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
The reason Lloyd George's infidelities eventually became an issue is because they were linked to his corruption and greed for power. On their own, they might have been brushed under the carpet, as Asquith's were.
He is an empty lying suit.0 -
And we are well last the point where remaining a member of the Tory party would allow anyone to make any difference. There is little that members can do inside the party now, and the only influence left is to walk away.rottenborough said:
They must not prevail. They must be stopped. Our country is in grave peril.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do accept your argument and that is why I remain a member.PeterC said:
Could I respectfully query your thinking (and that of Richard Nabavi and others) about resigning from the party. If ProjectBoris crashes there will be a huge and urgent need to pick up the pieces. This will need good and sane people to do the picking up and to find a viable way forward. To put oneself in a position of having neither vote nor influence will not, I think, help.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the dayGardenwalker said:How many hospitals does £6bn buy?
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
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I don't think the bussing thing is necessarily prohibitive; It's normal and expected that candidates fight in the primaries, and it helps that there wasn't really an identifiable policy difference there. Although she's not great at defence Kamala is reasonably sure-footed, it's hard to see her bollocksing it up, and she's good at at offense provided it's scripted in advance, which is possible if you want the VP in an attack dog role. And she ticks lots of boxes. So she's definitely a strong possibility, I'd say.148grss said:
I think Biden wants a WoC, that could have been Kamala before the attack on bussing but I think not afterwards. Abrams was touted by Biden folks before he even entered the race (she denied being asked and seemed to be upset by the presumption, but she would be a good pick). Maybe Julian Castro, but I do think the ticket will have a woman on it.
Warren, I dunno, probs a white dude. I'm thinking Mayor Pete; he's trying to straddle the left v centre and is young and enthusiastic and able to talk god and local areas etc. I think he'd be willing to be Warren's Veep and it could create a "unity" ticket. It would also rake in the cash (Buttigeig hasn't polled or performed well, but he is raising a lot of money).
The downside to Kamala is that there's no home-state benefit, since if the Dems are losing California they're probably having a bad day elsewhere. I don't know if Beto would put Texas in play but maybe it's worth a shot. Or double down on the mid-west with KLOBUCHAR.0 -
That's about the size of it. They never really cared about the backstop - they just don't want any link with the EU at all.rottenborough said:These Brexiteers want No Deal or nothing.
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Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
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The Armitage tweet backs up my view that rebels have to bring the government down in September.0
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Seems JRM infamous directive on written English was kinda of fake news...It was a style guide for letters that are written in his name.
“My Parliamentary team had drawn up a list of words that, when they were in letters, tended to get crossed out.”0 -
Certainly very thick and looks like the donkey in Shrek for sureMysticrose said:
Isn't he, erm, extremely large?Cyclefree said:
Boris’s behaviour is par for the course. The mystery is why Carrie should want to shack up with him, knowing his history of serial unfaithfulness to every woman he has ever been with.SouthamObserver said:I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
But, yes, I concur.0 -
IIRC he himself used "banned" words 700 times in speeches thoughFrancisUrquhart said:Seems JRM infamous directive on written English was kinda of fake news...It was a style guide for letters that are written in his name.
“My Parliamentary team had drawn up a list of words that, when they were in letters, tended to get crossed out.”0 -
TUD, no hope , this whole lot are just empty vessels, soundbites and bombast. It will end in tears for the plebs.Theuniondivvie said:
Hopefully he'll do better than that.rottenborough said:Morning all,
Off topic, but I thought George Clarke's programme last night on social housing and the start of his new campaign was excellent.
The material about Vienna and social housing there (all classes, 1st class, low rent, even swimming pools, play areas etc) was really interesting.
The minister, Brokenshire (departed a week before programme aired) came across as utterly useless, just wibberling about change being important and aware of the issues etc etc.
Can Clarke do a Jamie Oliver on housing?0 -
Obviously if Boris does attempt to prorogue or otherwise subvert Parliament, the correct response is civil insurrection.0
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We've been waiting for that since 1679. What makes you think it will change now?Tabman said:
No it isn't. I f Parliament asserts itself, there are any number of reasonable options that exclude the extremist headbangers of both sides.ydoethur said:
The problem is the alternative is Corbyn who would do far more damage.rottenborough said:I fervently hope that Hammond, Letwin and co are spending August plotting to bring this government down before it destroys the UK economy for a generation.
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From remainers? A severe ticking off, surely.Gardenwalker said:Obviously if Boris does attempt to prorogue or otherwise subvert Parliament, the correct response is civil insurrection.
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Swinson is a harpie and crap to boot, an overbearing middle class twunt.The_Taxman said:
True but I think Kier Starmer would be better than Corbyn.IanB2 said:
They dont have a dynamic fresh leader in waiting and, as is evident from NPs posts, both the members and the leadership want to hang onto the purported purity.The_Taxman said:
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...Sandpit said:
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.The_Taxman said:
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...anothernick said:
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.SouthamObserver said:I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
I think Swinson is fresh and dynamic by the way. She is likeable IMO and her TV appearences connect to me as a viewer in a way her rival did not.0 -
It was drawn up by his staff for LETTERS, which it appears that if you write those when he reviews them he crosses them out (so use another one).Scott_P said:
IIRC he himself used "banned" words 700 times in speeches thoughFrancisUrquhart said:Seems JRM infamous directive on written English was kinda of fake news...It was a style guide for letters that are written in his name.
“My Parliamentary team had drawn up a list of words that, when they were in letters, tended to get crossed out.”
I think Mr Meeks stated at the time his minions have a similar list for similar reasons.0 -
35 for 3-1
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My powers are waning.
Khawaja goes, but Smith's still there to torment us for two days.
And the umpires have had a dismal morning, haven't they?0 -
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
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3 down!-1
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No, the beauty of Betfair with its bet/lay options and markets that allow you to net successive bets off against each other is that you can play the odds like this. I put a few £ on the Tories at 30, following the PB lead, and laid them off again at 8. I went further than most who simply backed the LibDems back to zero, and stand to make a few £ profit if and when they win.Mysticrose said:
Yeah but we're not just talking about spread betting where people can cash out. The Tories are drifting on fixed odds.IanB2 said:
Betting markets like financial ones tend to overshoot then correct. Hence the £ this week (tho it's now sinking again). TSE spotted that the Tories have a greater than 3% chance as the BXP Ltd. balloon deflates, especially with the geography of the seat making it hard to call. Thus punters lumped on until the implied 20% chance seemed too high, and people who backed at long odds cashed inMysticrose said:Conservatives drifting in the betting on B&R.
Might just be today's mood on here
I don't doubt that TSE was right that the implied 3% chance was 'value' but that doesn't mean it will win anything. Personally I think if you took that bet on fixed odds you were chucking money down the drain. We shall see.
You could do the same in a conventional bookmaker - go down and back the Tories at 30/1 and then return and back the LibDems at 1/5 when the odds have changed - but it’s a whole lot easier using BFE. Not least because you don’t have to do all the maths yourself.0 -
That sounds to me as if they are more than willing to suspend democracy to get their own way.rottenborough said:We are heading to constitutional warfare this early Autumn:
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1156875230855475200
Grave times.0 -
Good job Australia bat deep.....0
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https://twitter.com/imbeccable/status/1156759071002963969
@rottenborough , this is the only candidate who can beat Trump?0 -
Because he is not popular , that is just bought media. He is booed almost everywhere and they cannot trust having him speak to a real person as he may get a question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If he is so popular it does not matter then.Scott_P said:0 -
Andrew said:
That's about the size of it. They never really cared about the backstop - they just don't want any link with the EU at all.rottenborough said:These Brexiteers want No Deal or nothing.
That was always obvious. The backstop was and is a pretext.
So no FTA either. How the hell do they think that anything is going to work if they won't come to any agreement with the EU?0 -
Must be confusing it with the effect of HS2.Theuniondivvie said:
NE of Scotland, home of UK fishing, one of the worst hit places? Surely not?Scott_P said:0 -
Haven't they justydoethur said:My powers are waning.
Khawaja goes, but Smith's still there to torment us for two days.
And the umpires have had a dismal morning, haven't they?0 -
rottenborough said:
Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
A Lords filibuster up against a determined Lords majority is a difficult act to pull off. Meddling with Royal Assent would be a powderkeg moment, as would proroguing even once0 -
At which point, Parliament would reconvene next door, and VONC him.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/11568804906847150090 -
Is that allowed?Nigelb said:
At which point, Parliament would reconvene next door, and VONC him.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/11568804906847150090 -
Realignment is a compelling theory. But in practice it has yielded a thin harvest. ChangeUK is but its latest manefistation which is destined for oblivion.Tabman said:
When You've got a ruined building, sometimes it's jus better to build a new one from scratch, possibly in a different location, than try and repair the old one.PeterC said:
Could I respectfully query your thinking (and that of Richard Nabavi and others) about resigning from the party. If ProjectBoris crashes there will be a huge and urgent need to pick up the pieces. This will need good and sane people to do the picking up and to find a viable way forward. To put oneself in a position of having neither vote nor influence will not, I think, help.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the dayGardenwalker said:How many hospitals does £6bn buy?
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
I think this applies to all the main parties, which are all damaged to a greater and lesser degree.
Realignment time.0 -
G you can deal with a thief but never with a liarBig_G_NorthWales said:
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the dayGardenwalker said:How many hospitals does £6bn buy?
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party0 -
And yet he leads the polls and seems to be extending the leadmalcolmg said:
Because he is not popular , that is just bought media. He is booed almost everywhere and they cannot trust having him speak to a real person as he may get a question.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If he is so popular it does not matter then.Scott_P said:
It could all go the other way but with Corbyn around he is gifting this to Boris0 -
All they are worried about is burning bridges and doubtless cashing in on the positions they have already taken selling our national currency.Cyclefree said:Andrew said:
That's about the size of it. They never really cared about the backstop - they just don't want any link with the EU at all.rottenborough said:These Brexiteers want No Deal or nothing.
That was always obvious. The backstop was and is a pretext.
So no FTA either. How the hell do they think that anything is going to work if they won't come to any agreement with the EU?0 -
Yes, you might be right on that.NickPalmer said:While politics nerds like us know that the Greens are essentially Corbynite in policy terms (to the point that I don't get why they split the vote in Labour marginals), I know quite a few Tories who are willing to vote Green but not LibDem. In non-urban seats they see the LibDems as the arch-rivals, but the Greens as harmless anti-Brexit tree-huggers. It'd be interesting to see some polling on this for supporters of the main parties - "Would you consider voting for LibDems? For Greens?" I suspect the Greens may be surprisingly transfer-friendly.
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Highly articulate observations once again from our resident grunting chippy Scottish Nationalistmalcolmg said:
Swinson is a harpie and crap to boot, an overbearing middle class twunt.The_Taxman said:
True but I think Kier Starmer would be better than Corbyn.IanB2 said:
They dont have a dynamic fresh leader in waiting and, as is evident from NPs posts, both the members and the leadership want to hang onto the purported purity.The_Taxman said:
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...Sandpit said:
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.The_Taxman said:
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...anothernick said:
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.SouthamObserver said:I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
I think Swinson is fresh and dynamic by the way. She is likeable IMO and her TV appearences connect to me as a viewer in a way her rival did not.0 -
ydoethur said:
You know the Aussies have problems when even Ian Bell starts trolling them: https://twitter.com/Ian_Bell/status/1156877660037033984
They just got Sherminated.0 -
Parliament is sovereign - it gets to make its own rules.Gallowgate said:
Is that allowed?Nigelb said:
At which point, Parliament would reconvene next door, and VONC him.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/11568804906847150090 -
Good to see that she’s made it at least to above the median for politicians that you likemalcolmg said:
Swinson is a harpie and crap to boot, an overbearing middle class twunt.The_Taxman said:
True but I think Kier Starmer would be better than Corbyn.IanB2 said:
They dont have a dynamic fresh leader in waiting and, as is evident from NPs posts, both the members and the leadership want to hang onto the purported purity.The_Taxman said:
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...Sandpit said:
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.The_Taxman said:
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...anothernick said:
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.SouthamObserver said:I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
I think Swinson is fresh and dynamic by the way. She is likeable IMO and her TV appearences connect to me as a viewer in a way her rival did not. 0 -
I am very surprised Australia haven't picked Starc. He always seems to have the hoodoo over England.-1
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That shouldn't be an enormous surprise. The PMIs point to high risks of recessions in both the Eurozone and the UK.Scott_P said:
In the US, the PMIs are the merest smidgen above 50. More worryingly, the yield curve has properly inverted. Out of the six recessions in the post WW2 era, this has only happened on seven occasions. On all but one of those, it was followed within six months by a recession.
What should scare policymakers in both Europe and the US is that monetary policy cannot easily be used to boost demand. Interest rates in the US are a mere 2%. In the UK they're are... ummm... 0.75%. The Eurozone is - what - 0.25%.
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I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.0 -
Biden is the only shot the Dems have got of beating Trump.Stereotomy said:https://twitter.com/imbeccable/status/1156759071002963969
@rottenborough , this is the only candidate who can beat Trump?0 -
I had to deal with both in my years running my business !!!!malcolmg said:
G you can deal with a thief but never with a liarBig_G_NorthWales said:
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the dayGardenwalker said:How many hospitals does £6bn buy?
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party0 -
More like the size of his Domeydoethur said:
Are you sure it was due to his penis size and not a reference to his intellectual capacity?DecrepitJohnL said:
Michael Gove was nicknamed Donkey, according to the new biography. He should have leaked that part instead of the cocaine story.Mysticrose said:
Isn't he, erm, extremely large?Cyclefree said:
Boris’s behaviour is par for the course. The mystery is why Carrie should want to shack up with him, knowing his history of serial unfaithfulness to every woman he has ever been with.SouthamObserver said:I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
But, yes, I concur.0 -
Don't think he's 100% fit.FrancisUrquhart said:I am very surprised Australia haven't picked Starc. He always seems to have the hoodoo over England.
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He's an enormous ass.malcolmg said:
More like the size of his Domeydoethur said:
Are you sure it was due to his penis size and not a reference to his intellectual capacity?DecrepitJohnL said:
Michael Gove was nicknamed Donkey, according to the new biography. He should have leaked that part instead of the cocaine story.Mysticrose said:
Isn't he, erm, extremely large?Cyclefree said:
Boris’s behaviour is par for the course. The mystery is why Carrie should want to shack up with him, knowing his history of serial unfaithfulness to every woman he has ever been with.SouthamObserver said:I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
But, yes, I concur.0 -
I think that is quite wrong.Sandpit said:
Biden is the only shot the Dems have got of beating Trump.Stereotomy said:https://twitter.com/imbeccable/status/1156759071002963969
@rottenborough , this is the only candidate who can beat Trump?0 -
There is money, lots and lots of it to be made. The really dangerous revolutionaries are the ones in government. The ones in Opposition are neutered.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.0 -
There are people who care about getting Brexit more than anything else, apparently including Parliamentary democracy. Boris, to be fair, is not one of them. He cares about being popular. The backlash after getting the Queen involved in refusing Royal Assent and proroguing Parliament wouldf be horrendous - we might be out of the EU, but Boris would be VONC'd without the slightest doubt. Which IMO is not what he wants.IanB2 said:rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
A Lords filibuster up against a determined Lords majority is a difficult act to pull off. Meddling with Royal Assent would be a powderkeg moment, as would proroguing even once0 -
I think you have nailed it. Their idea of Taking Back Control is to take it back and then hand it to our American Cousins, who really will treat us as a vassal state.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.0 -
All those idiots voting Tory to get their livliehoods ruined, will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth soon. What is the betting that it is SNPBAD.Theuniondivvie said:
NE of Scotland, home of UK fishing, one of the worst hit places? Surely not?Scott_P said:0 -
Yes. I was once berated by some on here when I suggested there's long been a hidden agenda amongst elements of the euro-sceptic right to turn Britain in the 51st state. Well, that element now runs the British government and it isn't wasting any time.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.0 -
I think he wants it by way of being stopped before the cliff, not being NC’d in freefall on the way down.NickPalmer said:
There are people who care about getting Brexit more than anything else, apparently including Parliamentary democracy. Boris, to be fair, is not one of them. He cares about being popular. The backlash after getting the Queen involved in refusing Royal Assent and proroguing Parliament wouldf be horrendous - we might be out of the EU, but Boris would be VONC'd without the slightest doubt. Which IMO is not what he wants.IanB2 said:rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
A Lords filibuster up against a determined Lords majority is a difficult act to pull off. Meddling with Royal Assent would be a powderkeg moment, as would proroguing even once0 -
More whining from our resident village idiotNigel_Foremain said:
Highly articulate observations once again from our resident grunting chippy Scottish Nationalistmalcolmg said:
Swinson is a harpie and crap to boot, an overbearing middle class twunt.The_Taxman said:
True but I think Kier Starmer would be better than Corbyn.IanB2 said:
They dont have a dynamic fresh leader in waiting and, as is evident from NPs posts, both the members and the leadership want to hang onto the purported purity.The_Taxman said:
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...Sandpit said:
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.The_Taxman said:
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...anothernick said:
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.SouthamObserver said:I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
I think Swinson is fresh and dynamic by the way. She is likeable IMO and her TV appearences connect to me as a viewer in a way her rival did not.0 -
That makes no sense, not that many voted against it when the backstop was still in it last time!Scott_P said:0 -
Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, you might be right on that.NickPalmer said:While politics nerds like us know that the Greens are essentially Corbynite in policy terms (to the point that I don't get why they split the vote in Labour marginals), I know quite a few Tories who are willing to vote Green but not LibDem. In non-urban seats they see the LibDems as the arch-rivals, but the Greens as harmless anti-Brexit tree-huggers. It'd be interesting to see some polling on this for supporters of the main parties - "Would you consider voting for LibDems? For Greens?" I suspect the Greens may be surprisingly transfer-friendly.
And when you meet Green Party activists most of them are more like the eccentric tree-huggers than the revolutionary thugs within Labour.0 -
Oh dear - how will Justin 24 cope with this news. Mori follows YG.Scott_P said:
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The point is that Parliament had the chance to pass a deal which would have been the softest of Brexit's and failed to do so. Those MPs moaning about No Deal now when they voted against a very soft Brexit deal make me sick. What did they think was going to happen? Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn are the two worst offendersStark_Dawning said:
Yes. I was once berated by some on here when I suggested there's long been a hidden agenda amongst elements of the euro-sceptic right to turn Britain in the 51st state. Well, that element now runs the British government and it isn't wasting any time.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.0 -
Yes. And it isn't hidden any more. There are plenty choosing not to see what is in plain sight.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes. I was once berated by some on here when I suggested there's long been a hidden agenda amongst elements of the euro-sceptic right to turn Britain in the 51st state. Well, that element now runs the British government and it isn't wasting any time.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.
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No, given Parliament has ignored the largest vote in post war history by refusing to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement or No Deal outside the wealthier parts of inner London I doubt there will be many protests if Boris prorogues Parliament to enforce the will of the people.Gardenwalker said:Obviously if Boris does attempt to prorogue or otherwise subvert Parliament, the correct response is civil insurrection.
Though a general election soon after may be necessary0 -
Remember that realistically half the country doesn’t really want Brexit...HYUFD said:
No, given Parliament has ignored the largest vote in post war history by refusing to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement or No Deal outside the wealthier parts of inner London I doubt there will be many protests if Boris prorogues Parliament to enforce the will of the people.Gardenwalker said:Obviously if Boris does attempt to prorogue or otherwise subvert Parliament, the correct response is civil insurrection.
Though a general election soon after may be necessary0 -
It wasn’t the softest Brexit and they aren’t the culprits. Those responsible are the Tories who refused to participate in the indicative vote process and have shied away from taking decisive action against (or to pre-empt) their new leadership whilst continuing to wring their hands about the risks of no deal.Currystardog said:
The point is that Parliament had the chance to pass a deal which would have been the softest of Brexit's and failed to do so. Those MPs moaning about No Deal now when they voted against a very soft Brexit deal make me sick. What did they think was going to happen? Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn are the two worst offendersStark_Dawning said:
Yes. I was once berated by some on here when I suggested there's long been a hidden agenda amongst elements of the euro-sceptic right to turn Britain in the 51st state. Well, that element now runs the British government and it isn't wasting any time.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.0 -
Both thick as minceCurrystardog said:
The point is that Parliament had the chance to pass a deal which would have been the softest of Brexit's and failed to do so. Those MPs moaning about No Deal now when they voted against a very soft Brexit deal make me sick. What did they think was going to happen? Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn are the two worst offendersStark_Dawning said:
Yes. I was once berated by some on here when I suggested there's long been a hidden agenda amongst elements of the euro-sceptic right to turn Britain in the 51st state. Well, that element now runs the British government and it isn't wasting any time.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.0 -
Yet that new Mori poll gives Boris a huge 54% to 27% lead over Corbyn as best PM and an election winning 34% to 24% lead for the Tories over Corbyn LabourTheScreamingEagles said:Mr Johnson starts with worse satisfaction ratings than Theresa May, Gordon Brown and John Major in their first month after entering office mid-Parliament.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-crisis-as-voters-say-party-should-dump-jeremy-corbyn-before-the-next-general-election-a4203251.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-crisis-as-voters-say-party-should-dump-jeremy-corbyn-before-the-next-general-election-a4203251.html0 -
That will matter not a jot, you are mistakenly thinking we live in a democracyGallowgate said:
Remember that realistically half the country doesn’t really want Brexit...HYUFD said:
No, given Parliament has ignored the largest vote in post war history by refusing to vote for the Withdrawal Agreement or No Deal outside the wealthier parts of inner London I doubt there will be many protests if Boris prorogues Parliament to enforce the will of the people.Gardenwalker said:Obviously if Boris does attempt to prorogue or otherwise subvert Parliament, the correct response is civil insurrection.
Though a general election soon after may be necessary0 -
Labour could have voted for it, they didn't. The Tories were always going to lurch to the right if the deal failed to go through. Labour voted against the deal for electoral gain. How did that plan go?IanB2 said:
It wasn’t the softest Brexit and they aren’t the culprits. Those responsible are the Tories who refused to participate in the indicative vote process and have shied away from taking decisive action against (or to pre-empt) their new leadership whilst continuing to wring their hands on public about the risks of no deal.Currystardog said:
The point is that Parliament had the chance to pass a deal which would have been the softest of Brexit's and failed to do so. Those MPs moaning about No Deal now when they voted against a very soft Brexit deal make me sick. What did they think was going to happen? Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn are the two worst offendersStark_Dawning said:
Yes. I was once berated by some on here when I suggested there's long been a hidden agenda amongst elements of the euro-sceptic right to turn Britain in the 51st state. Well, that element now runs the British government and it isn't wasting any time.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.0 -
Not the worst but pretty high up. Self righteous and self satisfied even as their actions demonstrate they want to win to stop no deal, not simply stop no deal .Currystardog said:
The point is that Parliament had the chance to pass a deal which would have been the softest of Brexit's and failed to do so. Those MPs moaning about No Deal now when they voted against a very soft Brexit deal make me sick. What did they think was going to happen? Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn are the two worst offendersStark_Dawning said:
Yes. I was once berated by some on here when I suggested there's long been a hidden agenda amongst elements of the euro-sceptic right to turn Britain in the 51st state. Well, that element now runs the British government and it isn't wasting any time.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.0 -
Very well said and a point I have been making for weeksCurrystardog said:
The point is that Parliament had the chance to pass a deal which would have been the softest of Brexit's and failed to do so. Those MPs moaning about No Deal now when they voted against a very soft Brexit deal make me sick. What did they think was going to happen? Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn are the two worst offendersStark_Dawning said:
Yes. I was once berated by some on here when I suggested there's long been a hidden agenda amongst elements of the euro-sceptic right to turn Britain in the 51st state. Well, that element now runs the British government and it isn't wasting any time.Gardenwalker said:
I have assumed that No Deal is irrational and that the only people actively desiring it was the small group of revolutionaries around Seamus Milne.dixiedean said:
The No Deal Establishment want No Deal. How long before everybody gets the message? There is much self-deception going on amongst opponents, particularly during the leadership campaign.rottenborough said:Discussion on-going over at Rentoul twitter about how Johnson could No Deal and HoC might not be able to stop him.
Time for EU to stop assuming Parliament will definitely stop No Deal?
https://twitter.com/joe_armitage/status/1156880490684715009
However, I am beginning to think you are right, because a No Deal offers the only chance of an emergency FTA of some description with Trump, and the concomitant perma-alignment with US policy interests.
And welcome to PB0
