It is odd that the PM chooses as his catchphrase a description of a famous blunder:
Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
"Now, as the 150th anniversary of the infamous charge approaches, historians are revising their accounts of what every schoolchild knows was a famous military disaster.
Writing in the October edition of BBC History magazine, a leading academic and author says the Light Brigade helped to lay the foundations for the future success of the British Army by establishing an ideal of heroic and "unthinking obedience", with lasting benefits.
..
The charge occurred during the battle of Balaklava in the Crimean War, when 658 British cavalrymen, acting on a misinterpreted order, rode for more than a mile under heavy fire to attack Russian artillery positions, killed the gunners, then retreated, having lost 110 dead, 180 wounded or taken prisoner and 475 horses killed.
Yet the charge helped swing the campaign in favour of the British. A few days later, 10,000 British troops held fast against 40,000 Russians at the battle of Inkerman. In the longer term, the habit of obeying orders - which had not been universal in earlier periods - indicated a new ethos of professionalism in the Army."
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...
In that case you do not understand Corbyn, and probably not what his beliefs, objectives and political imperitives are.
It is why I cannot vote for him or his party. I will just vote LD and hope for an even more hung parliament! If they cannot do anything it has to be better than them doing the wrong thing!
Earlier posts have indicated Parliament is already well hung with Boris and Gove in it.
However, if true that ruins my Freudian theory about the reason they behave like utter dicks.
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...
They dont have a dynamic fresh leader in waiting and, as is evident from NPs posts, both the members and the leadership want to hang onto the purported purity.
True but I think Kier Starmer would be better than Corbyn.
I think Swinson is fresh and dynamic by the way. She is likeable IMO and her TV appearences connect to me as a viewer in a way her rival did not.
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Boris’s behaviour is par for the course. The mystery is why Carrie should want to shack up with him, knowing his history of serial unfaithfulness to every woman he has ever been with.
Isn't he, erm, extremely large?
But, yes, I concur.
Michael Gove was nicknamed Donkey, according to the new biography. He should have leaked that part instead of the cocaine story.
Are you sure it was due to his penis size and not a reference to his intellectual capacity?
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...
In that case you do not understand Corbyn, and probably not what his beliefs, objectives and political imperitives are.
It is why I cannot vote for him or his party. I will just vote LD and hope for an even more hung parliament! If they cannot do anything it has to be better than them doing the wrong thing!
Earlier posts have indicated Parliament is already well hung with Boris and Gove in it.
However, if true that ruins my Freudian theory about the reason they behave like utter dicks.
lol - Boris is only ever one step away from a massive cock-up!
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
I would agree with that sentiment. I will be voting LD rather than endorse Johnson and his band of nutters. However if Labour had a leader who was not as thick as pigshit and wanted to turn the UK into a banana republic, then I would even lend them my vote to punish the Conservative Party for becoming UKIP/BNP-lite
+100
Voted Con since first eligible election (2001). Voted LD in 2017, and at the Euros, and fully expect to do so at next election.
However, Vince Cable was useless. Do the Lib Dems actually have policies beyond Brexit?
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Boris’s behaviour is par for the course. The mystery is why Carrie should want to shack up with him, knowing his history of serial unfaithfulness to every woman he has ever been with.
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...
In that case you do not understand Corbyn, and probably not what his beliefs, objectives and political imperitives are.
It is why I cannot vote for him or his party. I will just vote LD and hope for an even more hung parliament! If they cannot do anything it has to be better than them doing the wrong thing!
Earlier posts have indicated Parliament is already well hung with Boris and Gove in it.
However, if true that ruins my Freudian theory about the reason they behave like utter dicks.
lol - Boris is only ever one step away from a massive cock-up!
This is true, but with Boris it will always be somebody else's cock up.
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
I would agree with that sentiment. I will be voting LD rather than endorse Johnson and his band of nutters. However if Labour had a leader who was not as thick as pigshit and wanted to turn the UK into a banana republic, then I would even lend them my vote to punish the Conservative Party for becoming UKIP/BNP-lite
+100
Voted Con since first eligible election (2001). Voted LD in 2017, and at the Euros, and fully expect to do so at next election.
However, Vince Cable was useless. Do the Lib Dems actually have policies beyond Brexit?
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
I would agree with that sentiment. I will be voting LD rather than endorse Johnson and his band of nutters. However if Labour had a leader who was not as thick as pigshit and wanted to turn the UK into a banana republic, then I would even lend them my vote to punish the Conservative Party for becoming UKIP/BNP-lite
+100
Voted Con since first eligible election (2001). Voted LD in 2017, and at the Euros, and fully expect to do so at next election.
However, Vince Cable was useless. Do the Lib Dems actually have policies beyond Brexit?
They have a policy on almost everything
I’m sure they do. None of it has had any media cut through.
For starters, they need to junk tertiary fees. It’s their Clause 4.
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...
They dont have a dynamic fresh leader in waiting and, as is evident from NPs posts, both the members and the leadership want to hang onto the purported purity.
True but I think Kier Starmer would be better than Corbyn.
I think Swinson is fresh and dynamic by the way. She is likeable IMO and her TV appearences connect to me as a viewer in a way her rival did not.
It is odd that the PM chooses as his catchphrase a description of a famous blunder:
Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
"Now, as the 150th anniversary of the infamous charge approaches, historians are revising their accounts of what every schoolchild knows was a famous military disaster.
Writing in the October edition of BBC History magazine, a leading academic and author says the Light Brigade helped to lay the foundations for the future success of the British Army by establishing an ideal of heroic and "unthinking obedience", with lasting benefits.
Yep the sheer lunacy of the First World War. The most unparalleled piece of pointless carnage in human history.
Academics have to point score, even when they haven't a leg left to stand on. It's the only way they can justify their existence.
It is odd that the PM chooses as his catchphrase a description of a famous blunder:
Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
"Now, as the 150th anniversary of the infamous charge approaches, historians are revising their accounts of what every schoolchild knows was a famous military disaster.
Writing in the October edition of BBC History magazine, a leading academic and author says the Light Brigade helped to lay the foundations for the future success of the British Army by establishing an ideal of heroic and "unthinking obedience", with lasting benefits.
..
The charge occurred during the battle of Balaklava in the Crimean War, when 658 British cavalrymen, acting on a misinterpreted order, rode for more than a mile under heavy fire to attack Russian artillery positions, killed the gunners, then retreated, having lost 110 dead, 180 wounded or taken prisoner and 475 horses killed.
Yet the charge helped swing the campaign in favour of the British. A few days later, 10,000 British troops held fast against 40,000 Russians at the battle of Inkerman. In the longer term, the habit of obeying orders - which had not been universal in earlier periods - indicated a new ethos of professionalism in the Army."
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...
They dont have a dynamic fresh leader in waiting and, as is evident from NPs posts, both the members and the leadership want to hang onto the purported purity.
True but I think Kier Starmer would be better than Corbyn.
I think Swinson is fresh and dynamic by the way. She is likeable IMO and her TV appearences connect to me as a viewer in a way her rival did not.
Starmer makes Vince sound interesting
A less interesting leader might be just what we need at the moment. Major was intensely boring but he did provide solid dependable leadership - something sadly lacking in Westminster today.
Voted Con since first eligible election (2001). Voted LD in 2017, and at the Euros, and fully expect to do so at next election.
However, Vince Cable was useless. Do the Lib Dems actually have policies beyond Brexit?
It's gratifying to see so many considering the LDs as a vote and as thoughtful people confronted with a choice of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn I can't say I blame them.
There will of course be a full LD manifesto with a range of policies and programmes. It's hard not to deny the dominance of Brexit as a topic but there are plenty concerned at the latest incarnation of the traditional Conservative spending splurge which will increase borrowing, the deficit and ultimately the debt. Anyone would think Johnson and his Government are trying to buy votes with promises of wheelbarrows full of cash.
I also understand for the sake of his own political self-preservation Johnson is desperate a No Deal exit from the EU doesn't lead to a full on recession. The unpalatable truth is a significant minority seem willing to eat grass rather than remain in the EU - really, the EU isn't that bad?
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...
They dont have a dynamic fresh leader in waiting and, as is evident from NPs posts, both the members and the leadership want to hang onto the purported purity.
True but I think Kier Starmer would be better than Corbyn.
I think Swinson is fresh and dynamic by the way. She is likeable IMO and her TV appearences connect to me as a viewer in a way her rival did not.
Starmer makes Vince sound interesting
A less interesting leader might be just what we need at the moment. Major was intensely boring but he did provide solid dependable leadership - something sadly lacking in Westminster today.
And he isn't seen as from the left.
Anyhow May was supposed to be dependable and boring.
Voted Con since first eligible election (2001). Voted LD in 2017, and at the Euros, and fully expect to do so at next election.
However, Vince Cable was useless. Do the Lib Dems actually have policies beyond Brexit?
It's gratifying to see so many considering the LDs as a vote and as thoughtful people confronted with a choice of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn I can't say I blame them.
There will of course be a full LD manifesto with a range of policies and programmes. It's hard not to deny the dominance of Brexit as a topic but there are plenty concerned at the latest incarnation of the traditional Conservative spending splurge which will increase borrowing, the deficit and ultimately the debt. Anyone would think Johnson and his Government are trying to buy votes with promises of wheelbarrows full of cash.
I also understand for the sake of his own political self-preservation Johnson is desperate a No Deal exit from the EU doesn't lead to a full on recession. The unpalatable truth is a significant minority seem willing to eat grass rather than remain in the EU - really, the EU isn't that bad?
You can never underestimate the intelligence of the great British public ...
It is odd that the PM chooses as his catchphrase a description of a famous blunder:
Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
"Now, as the 150th anniversary of the infamous charge approaches, historians are revising their accounts of what every schoolchild knows was a famous military disaster.
Writing in the October edition of BBC History magazine, a leading academic and author says the Light Brigade helped to lay the foundations for the future success of the British Army by establishing an ideal of heroic and "unthinking obedience", with lasting benefits.
..
The charge occurred during the battle of Balaklava in the Crimean War, when 658 British cavalrymen, acting on a misinterpreted order, rode for more than a mile under heavy fire to attack Russian artillery positions, killed the gunners, then retreated, having lost 110 dead, 180 wounded or taken prisoner and 475 horses killed.
Yet the charge helped swing the campaign in favour of the British. A few days later, 10,000 British troops held fast against 40,000 Russians at the battle of Inkerman. In the longer term, the habit of obeying orders - which had not been universal in earlier periods - indicated a new ethos of professionalism in the Army."
It is odd that the PM chooses as his catchphrase a description of a famous blunder:
Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
"Now, as the 150th anniversary of the infamous charge approaches, historians are revising their accounts of what every schoolchild knows was a famous military disaster.
Writing in the October edition of BBC History magazine, a leading academic and author says the Light Brigade helped to lay the foundations for the future success of the British Army by establishing an ideal of heroic and "unthinking obedience", with lasting benefits.
..
The charge occurred during the battle of Balaklava in the Crimean War, when 658 British cavalrymen, acting on a misinterpreted order, rode for more than a mile under heavy fire to attack Russian artillery positions, killed the gunners, then retreated, having lost 110 dead, 180 wounded or taken prisoner and 475 horses killed.
Yet the charge helped swing the campaign in favour of the British. A few days later, 10,000 British troops held fast against 40,000 Russians at the battle of Inkerman. In the longer term, the habit of obeying orders - which had not been universal in earlier periods - indicated a new ethos of professionalism in the Army."
Maths would also suggest that must be an old article if the 150th anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854 is "approaching". Surely the revisionists have been revised by now. Wasn't one of our number embarking on an MA in military history? Have they reached the Crimea yet?
Anyhow May was supposed to be dependable and boring.
It's so often the cases parties choose leaders who are the antithesis of their predecessor as though not only are they choosing a new leader they are by so doing rejecting the old leader.
For the LDs, Ashdown to Kennedy to Campbell to Clegg to Farron to Cable to Swinson represents a pendulum like swing from youth to experience and changes in leadership style.
For the Conservatives Thatcher to Major to Hague to IDS to Howard to Cameron to May to Johnson - not quite so stark, the Hague/IDS/Howard line more about continuity but in terms of personality and style the change is almost pendulum like.
For Labour Kinnock to Blair to Brown to Miliband to Corbyn is more of a journey but within that shifts of personality and style and manner.
If you want to pick the next leader of these parties look at the current leaders and seek out someone who isn't like them at all.
It is odd that the PM chooses as his catchphrase a description of a famous blunder:
Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
"Now, as the 150th anniversary of the infamous charge approaches, historians are revising their accounts of what every schoolchild knows was a famous military disaster.
Writing in the October edition of BBC History magazine, a leading academic and author says the Light Brigade helped to lay the foundations for the future success of the British Army by establishing an ideal of heroic and "unthinking obedience", with lasting benefits.
..
The charge occurred during the battle of Balaklava in the Crimean War, when 658 British cavalrymen, acting on a misinterpreted order, rode for more than a mile under heavy fire to attack Russian artillery positions, killed the gunners, then retreated, having lost 110 dead, 180 wounded or taken prisoner and 475 horses killed.
Yet the charge helped swing the campaign in favour of the British. A few days later, 10,000 British troops held fast against 40,000 Russians at the battle of Inkerman. In the longer term, the habit of obeying orders - which had not been universal in earlier periods - indicated a new ethos of professionalism in the Army."
Maths would also suggest that must be an old article if the 150th anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854 is "approaching". Surely the revisionists have been revised by now. Wasn't one of our number embarking on an MA in military history? Have they reached the Crimea yet?
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
The Tories still lead by 4% over Labour with women under Boris
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM!
David Cameron's mum was right when she told Jeremy Corbyn to wear a suit, do up his tie and sing the national anthem. It worked for Corbyn, and even Boris seems to have visited his tailor recently. Look at Michael Foot's duffle coat for another demonstration that appearances matter.
Why then does Mr Johnson deliberately engineer the appearance of Ken Dodd?
Betting markets like financial ones tend to overshoot then correct. Hence the £ this week (tho it's now sinking again). TSE spotted that the Tories have a greater than 3% chance as the BXP Ltd. balloon deflates, especially with the geography of the seat making it hard to call. Thus punters lumped on until the implied 20% chance seemed too high, and people who backed at long odds cashed in
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
Under PFI, less than 2
"The biggest PFI deal, considered widely to have been a mistake, was to build new hospitals on the sites of two old ones – the Royal London in Whitechapel, east London, and St Bartholomew’s two miles away. The rebuild cost £1.1 billion but, under the terms of the PFI, the final cost will be more than £7 billion with the Barts Health NHS Trust making payments until 2049."
Now Norman has moved on, they may well be right. The Greens don't have too many good prospects and I would hope the LDs are generous enough to give them a free run in many of them. The IOW is another example.
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
Under PFI, less than 2
"The biggest PFI deal, considered widely to have been a mistake, was to build new hospitals on the sites of two old ones – the Royal London in Whitechapel, east London, and St Bartholomew’s two miles away. The rebuild cost £1.1 billion but, under the terms of the PFI, the final cost will be more than £7 billion with the Barts Health NHS Trust making payments until 2049."
Yes, unfortunately. Some of us might be forced to vote LibDem despite that.
Your seat couldn't really be won by Labour unless they were on track for ~ 500+ seats iirc. OTOH Mine won't be won by the Tories unless they're on for a big majority - I think in either case the argument to vote Tory to keep Labour out is lessened.. I know you're still likely undecided, but assuming Boris' pitch is "no deal" would you be more likely to vote Tory if you were in a key Lab-Tory marginal in order to keep Corbyn out or not ?
Now Norman has moved on, they may well be right. The Greens don't have too many good prospects and I would hope the LDs are generous enough to give them a free run in many of them. The IOW is another example.
I'd have thought that the LibDems would have a much better chance there. Yes, there's a Greenish-type of vote in Lewes itself, and some university-employed voters, but there's also a rural and retiree hinterland where I'd have thought the Greens would be a step too far but the LibDems could do OK.
I don't have a problem with an unmarried couple living in Downing Street. Who on earth would? However, a married man in his 50s with at least five kids walking out on his family to live with a woman over 20 years younger than him is going to raise a few eyebrows even in this most liberal of ages. I guess members of the establishment elite have been doing it since time immemorial, though. They get away with stuff others can't.
Exactly. This will damage Boris with women voters particularly. My wife, who is not very interested in politics and thought Theresa May was trying to make the best of a difficult situation, thinks Boris is a disgusting individual not fit to be PM because of his attitude to women. And I doubt she is alone in taking that view.
I do think Boris has a poor reception amoung some women voters i know. One of which called him a "scruffy bastard" on he day he became PM! It made me laugh that reaction! This person has until this year voted Tory in every election. I dont think they will vote Tory again whilst Boris is PM! The LD are going to pick up some serious votes from people like this who cannot stand Johnson and I cannot see Labour voters suddenly voting Tory to replace these losses from the Tory ranks...
It’s why Labour need to ditch Corbyn ASAP. Many people don’t like Boris Johnson, but consider him by far the lesser of two evils.
What I cannot understand about Corbyn is his stubbornness in carrying on and letting the Tories off the hook, when a dynamic fresh Labour leader could wipe the floor with Johnson. Someone else may not have the ideological purity of Corbyn. But they would have the power to make changes that would improve the lives of the many not the few...
Controlling the Labour party is the far left's priority. Defeating the Tories is a secondary concern.
Your seat couldn't really be won by Labour unless they were on track for ~ 500+ seats iirc. OTOH Mine won't be won by the Tories unless they're on for a big majority - I think in either case the argument to vote Tory to keep Labour out is lessened.. I know you're still likely undecided, but assuming Boris' pitch is "no deal" would you be more likely to vote Tory if you were in a key Lab-Tory marginal in order to keep Corbyn out or not ?
I think it's unlikely that I'd vote Tory in any election where the deliberate policy was to crash us out. I wouldn't want the (hopefully metaphorical) blood on my hands. It would, however, depend on the individual candidate's position, and on the attractions of otherwise of the alternatives.
Now Norman has moved on, they may well be right. The Greens don't have too many good prospects and I would hope the LDs are generous enough to give them a free run in many of them. The IOW is another example.
I'd have thought that the LibDems would have a much better chance there. Yes, there's a Greenish-type of vote in Lewes itself, and some university-employed voters, but there's also a rural and retiree hinterland where I'd have thought the Greens would be a step too far but the LibDems could do OK.
Nevertheless as an LD myself I can see that they need to be offered more than a clear run in Brighton.
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the day
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
It is odd that the PM chooses as his catchphrase a description of a famous blunder:
Forward, the Light Brigade!” Was there a man dismayed? Not though the soldier knew Someone had blundered. Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die. Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred.
"Now, as the 150th anniversary of the infamous charge approaches, historians are revising their accounts of what every schoolchild knows was a famous military disaster.
Writing in the October edition of BBC History magazine, a leading academic and author says the Light Brigade helped to lay the foundations for the future success of the British Army by establishing an ideal of heroic and "unthinking obedience", with lasting benefits.
..
The charge occurred during the battle of Balaklava in the Crimean War, when 658 British cavalrymen, acting on a misinterpreted order, rode for more than a mile under heavy fire to attack Russian artillery positions, killed the gunners, then retreated, having lost 110 dead, 180 wounded or taken prisoner and 475 horses killed.
Yet the charge helped swing the campaign in favour of the British. A few days later, 10,000 British troops held fast against 40,000 Russians at the battle of Inkerman. In the longer term, the habit of obeying orders - which had not been universal in earlier periods - indicated a new ethos of professionalism in the Army."
Maths would also suggest that must be an old article if the 150th anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854 is "approaching". Surely the revisionists have been revised by now. Wasn't one of our number embarking on an MA in military history? Have they reached the Crimea yet?
Probably detained in Turkey for looking a bit terroristy. Can't be too careful with Brits turning up in hot spots.
Veepstakes - if we think it is Biden v Warren, what do we think Veep picks are?
I think Biden wants a WoC, that could have been Kamala before the attack on bussing but I think not afterwards. Abrams was touted by Biden folks before he even entered the race (she denied being asked and seemed to be upset by the presumption, but she would be a good pick). Maybe Julian Castro, but I do think the ticket will have a woman on it.
Warren, I dunno, probs a white dude. I'm thinking Mayor Pete; he's trying to straddle the left v centre and is young and enthusiastic and able to talk god and local areas etc. I think he'd be willing to be Warren's Veep and it could create a "unity" ticket. It would also rake in the cash (Buttigeig hasn't polled or performed well, but he is raising a lot of money).
There is still a part of me that thinks Pence is going to be off the ticket; Trump has shored up the evangelical base, he doesn't need to reassure them anymore. He needs to appeal to white suburban women, and there is a person very close to his heart that would be great at capturing them. I would not be surprised to see Trump / Trump 2020 ticket.
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the day
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
The PM is the political establishment. The political establishment wants a No Deal Brexit.
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the day
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
The PM is the political establishment. The political establishment wants a No Deal Brexit.
Half of the establishment. The libertarian side with considerable stocks of non-pound assets.
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the day
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
The PM is the political establishment. The political establishment wants a No Deal Brexit.
75% of mps want remain as does the media and vested interests.
That is the establishment but do not misunderstand me, I want a fair deal as per TM deal.
Now Norman has moved on, they may well be right. The Greens don't have too many good prospects and I would hope the LDs are generous enough to give them a free run in many of them. The IOW is another example.
I'd have thought that the LibDems would have a much better chance there. Yes, there's a Greenish-type of vote in Lewes itself, and some university-employed voters, but there's also a rural and retiree hinterland where I'd have thought the Greens would be a step too far but the LibDems could do OK.
While politics nerds like us know that the Greens are essentially Corbynite in policy terms (to the point that I don't get why they split the vote in Labour marginals), I know quite a few Tories who are willing to vote Green but not LibDem. In non-urban seats they see the LibDems as the arch-rivals, but the Greens as harmless anti-Brexit tree-huggers. It'd be interesting to see some polling on this for supporters of the main parties - "Would you consider voting for LibDems? For Greens?" I suspect the Greens may be surprisingly transfer-friendly.
Veepstakes - if we think it is Biden v Warren, what do we think Veep picks are?
I think Biden wants a WoC, that could have been Kamala before the attack on bussing but I think not afterwards. Abrams was touted by Biden folks before he even entered the race (she denied being asked and seemed to be upset by the presumption, but she would be a good pick). Maybe Julian Castro, but I do think the ticket will have a woman on it.
Warren, I dunno, probs a white dude. I'm thinking Mayor Pete; he's trying to straddle the left v centre and is young and enthusiastic and able to talk god and local areas etc. I think he'd be willing to be Warren's Veep and it could create a "unity" ticket. It would also rake in the cash (Buttigeig hasn't polled or performed well, but he is raising a lot of money).
There is still a part of me that thinks Pence is going to be off the ticket; Trump has shored up the evangelical base, he doesn't need to reassure them anymore. He needs to appeal to white suburban women, and there is a person very close to his heart that would be great at capturing them. I would not be surprised to see Trump / Trump 2020 ticket.
Could either Mr or Mrs Obama be a viable Biden VP candidate, Barrack is held in high regard still and isn't constitutionally barred from being VP aiui. Michelle might also potentially be an option. A ticket with Obama and Biden on has won before !
As for Warren, she'd want a moderate I assume. Mayor Pete may well make sense.
Lewes is interesting and will be a real test of any "progressive alliance". As we all know, it was an LD seat held by Norman Baker from 1997 to 2015 and he only lost it by a thousand votes or so to Maria Caulfield - an interesting counterfactual would have been, had Baker survived, whether he would have stood for the LD leadership against Tim Farron.
The local elections for Lewes Council this May were much better for the Greens who won 6 seats and Labour who won 3 and poor for the LDs who lost 4. I don't know the local circumstances or personalities - the Greens stood aside in 2017 but the LDs lost ground to Caulfield but she's far from secure.
The Greens have a point on current polling. - perhaps they could offer to stand aside in Eastbourne.
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the day
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
The PM is the political establishment. The political establishment wants a No Deal Brexit.
75% of mps want remain as does the media and vested interests.
That is the establishment but do not misunderstand me, I want a fair deal as per TM deal.
I totally reject no deal
I’d argue that the media are pro-Brexit. Only the Guardian and the FT are anti-Brexit.
The BBC (in terms of broadcast output) is neither pro or remain, but because it provides balanced “space” to utter conmen and charlatans, tends to be pro-Brexit in its effect.
Veepstakes - if we think it is Biden v Warren, what do we think Veep picks are?
I think Biden wants a WoC, that could have been Kamala before the attack on bussing but I think not afterwards. Abrams was touted by Biden folks before he even entered the race (she denied being asked and seemed to be upset by the presumption, but she would be a good pick). Maybe Julian Castro, but I do think the ticket will have a woman on it.
Warren, I dunno, probs a white dude. I'm thinking Mayor Pete; he's trying to straddle the left v centre and is young and enthusiastic and able to talk god and local areas etc. I think he'd be willing to be Warren's Veep and it could create a "unity" ticket. It would also rake in the cash (Buttigeig hasn't polled or performed well, but he is raising a lot of money).
There is still a part of me that thinks Pence is going to be off the ticket; Trump has shored up the evangelical base, he doesn't need to reassure them anymore. He needs to appeal to white suburban women, and there is a person very close to his heart that would be great at capturing them. I would not be surprised to see Trump / Trump 2020 ticket.
Could either Mr or Mrs Obama be a viable Biden VP candidate, Barrack is held in high regard still and isn't constitutionally barred from being VP aiui. Michelle might also potentially be an option. A ticket with Obama and Biden on has won before !
As for Warren, she'd want a moderate I assume. Mayor Pete may well make sense.
Neither Obama seem particularly interested in high office again. If Michelle wanted that life she could be winning the primary now, practically unopposed.
Betting markets like financial ones tend to overshoot then correct. Hence the £ this week (tho it's now sinking again). TSE spotted that the Tories have a greater than 3% chance as the BXP Ltd. balloon deflates, especially with the geography of the seat making it hard to call. Thus punters lumped on until the implied 20% chance seemed too high, and people who backed at long odds cashed in
Yeah but we're not just talking about spread betting where people can cash out. The Tories are drifting on fixed odds.
I don't doubt that TSE was right that the implied 3% chance was 'value' but that doesn't mean it will win anything. Personally I think if you took that bet on fixed odds you were chucking money down the drain. We shall see.
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the day
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
The PM is the political establishment. The political establishment wants a No Deal Brexit.
75% of mps want remain as does the media and vested interests.
That is the establishment but do not misunderstand me, I want a fair deal as per TM deal.
I totally reject no deal
I’d argue that the media are pro-Brexit. Only the Guardian and the FT are anti-Brexit.
The BBC (in terms of broadcast output) is neither pro or remain, but because it provides balanced “space” to utter conmen and charlatans, tends to be pro-Brexit in its effect.
I don't agree but then we come from different viewpoints
Though I think you agree with me that Corbyn and his associates are an utter disaster for brexit and labour. To be fair if labour were led by anyone reasonably sensible it would change the political climate in an instant
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the day
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
The PM is the political establishment. The political establishment wants a No Deal Brexit.
75% of mps want remain as does the media and vested interests.
That is the establishment but do not misunderstand me, I want a fair deal as per TM deal.
I totally reject no deal
Does the media include Sun, Mail, and Express? Because they are hiding their Remainery very skilfully.
The Greens need to be reasonable. They should limit their price to less than 10 free runs (someone once identified 6 winnable seats - Lewes was not one of them), and the promise of PR.
Betting markets like financial ones tend to overshoot then correct. Hence the £ this week (tho it's now sinking again). TSE spotted that the Tories have a greater than 3% chance as the BXP Ltd. balloon deflates, especially with the geography of the seat making it hard to call. Thus punters lumped on until the implied 20% chance seemed too high, and people who backed at long odds cashed in
Yeah but we're not just talking about spread betting where people can cash out. The Tories are drifting on fixed odds.
I don't doubt that TSE was right that the implied 3% chance was 'value' but that doesn't mean it will win anything. Personally I think if you took that bet on fixed odds you were chucking money down the drain. We shall see.
You're wrong about this, and here's why
You can "cash out" by laying the Tories at a lower price than your back. Indeed spread betting you're often locked in as Sporting Index often "suspend" the markets. Betfair has the annoying premium charge but 25-1 would never have been offered at a regular bookies on the Tories so backing on Betfair does allow you to quite literally "cash in".
How many hospitals does £6bn buy? How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
It all seems so crazy and the chasm between leave and remain is deepening by the day
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
The PM is the political establishment. The political establishment wants a No Deal Brexit.
75% of mps want remain as does the media and vested interests.
That is the establishment but do not misunderstand me, I want a fair deal as per TM deal.
I totally reject no deal
Does the media include Sun, Mail, and Express? Because they are hiding their Remainery very skilfully.
These days it is the broadcast media who have a predominant role though the mail is successful on line
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However, if true that ruins my Freudian theory about the reason they behave like utter dicks.
I think Swinson is fresh and dynamic by the way. She is likeable IMO and her TV appearences connect to me as a viewer in a way her rival did not.
Because every time she divorced, she kept the house.
Voted Con since first eligible election (2001).
Voted LD in 2017, and at the Euros, and fully expect to do so at next election.
However, Vince Cable was useless. Do the Lib Dems actually have policies beyond Brexit?
None of it has had any media cut through.
For starters, they need to junk tertiary fees.
It’s their Clause 4.
There will of course be a full LD manifesto with a range of policies and programmes. It's hard not to deny the dominance of Brexit as a topic but there are plenty concerned at the latest incarnation of the traditional Conservative spending splurge which will increase borrowing, the deficit and ultimately the debt. Anyone would think Johnson and his Government are trying to buy votes with promises of wheelbarrows full of cash.
I also understand for the sake of his own political self-preservation Johnson is desperate a No Deal exit from the EU doesn't lead to a full on recession. The unpalatable truth is a significant minority seem willing to eat grass rather than remain in the EU - really, the EU isn't that bad?
How are you, sir?
Anyhow May was supposed to be dependable and boring.
Early September. Time to bring them down Sam.
For the LDs, Ashdown to Kennedy to Campbell to Clegg to Farron to Cable to Swinson represents a pendulum like swing from youth to experience and changes in leadership style.
For the Conservatives Thatcher to Major to Hague to IDS to Howard to Cameron to May to Johnson - not quite so stark, the Hague/IDS/Howard line more about continuity but in terms of personality and style the change is almost pendulum like.
For Labour Kinnock to Blair to Brown to Miliband to Corbyn is more of a journey but within that shifts of personality and style and manner.
If you want to pick the next leader of these parties look at the current leaders and seek out someone who isn't like them at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/01/government-refuses-to-rule-out-emergency-no-deal-brexit-budget
The autumn GE will be known by historians as the Burning Lamb Election.
Might just be today's mood on here
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/10/man-behind-dickens-dostoevsky-hoax
How many nurses? How many school places? How many council houses? How many bridges? How many traffic easing schemes?
https://twitter.com/CllrJohnnyDenis/status/1156572390614327301
"The biggest PFI deal, considered widely to have been a mistake, was to build new hospitals on the sites of two old ones – the Royal London in Whitechapel, east London, and St Bartholomew’s two miles away.
The rebuild cost £1.1 billion but, under the terms of the PFI, the final cost will be more than £7 billion with the Barts Health NHS Trust making payments until 2049."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11748960/The-PFI-hospitals-costing-NHS-2bn-every-year.html
The Ponzi scheme of public sector financing.
I know you're still likely undecided, but assuming Boris' pitch is "no deal" would you be more likely to vote Tory if you were in a key Lab-Tory marginal in order to keep Corbyn out or not ?
I am old enough to remember cricket being gentile.
I read a report that Boris meeting his opponents in Sturgeon and Drakeford plus NI is only serving to entrench his opposition but that they were not going to be responsive to anything he said anyway.
Boris and his advisers see this as a fight against the establishment and we can see on this forum how much anger he is attracting but when considered that anger has always been there over leaving the EU
I have little doubt the Lib Dems will win B & R and a lot will be made of it by the political establishment but the political polling and trends over the next few weeks should reveal if all the anger and negative news on no deal planning and falling currency is actually having an effect or does the public want Boris just to get out on the 31st October and his support continues or even improves.
There is no doubt at all that those who want to remain must be furious with Corbyn who in a large part has aided and abetted the no deal scenario by not backing remain from the beginning
As far as losing a majority I think Boris is well aware that September and October will be very rocky and he is ready to call a GE and challenge Corbyn to vote for it. Indeed I think that many mps may be threatening all kinds of things in the Autumn but are they willing to lose their careers as many would
And before anyone says I am a cheerleader for Boris, he scares the socks off me and as I have repeatedly said on a no deal outcome I resign from the party
Do it!!!!!!
I think Biden wants a WoC, that could have been Kamala before the attack on bussing but I think not afterwards. Abrams was touted by Biden folks before he even entered the race (she denied being asked and seemed to be upset by the presumption, but she would be a good pick). Maybe Julian Castro, but I do think the ticket will have a woman on it.
Warren, I dunno, probs a white dude. I'm thinking Mayor Pete; he's trying to straddle the left v centre and is young and enthusiastic and able to talk god and local areas etc. I think he'd be willing to be Warren's Veep and it could create a "unity" ticket. It would also rake in the cash (Buttigeig hasn't polled or performed well, but he is raising a lot of money).
There is still a part of me that thinks Pence is going to be off the ticket; Trump has shored up the evangelical base, he doesn't need to reassure them anymore. He needs to appeal to white suburban women, and there is a person very close to his heart that would be great at capturing them. I would not be surprised to see Trump / Trump 2020 ticket.
Warner true to form
The libertarian side with considerable stocks of non-pound assets.
That is the establishment but do not misunderstand me, I want a fair deal as per TM deal.
I totally reject no deal
A ticket with Obama and Biden on has won before !
As for Warren, she'd want a moderate I assume. Mayor Pete may well make sense.
The local elections for Lewes Council this May were much better for the Greens who won 6 seats and Labour who won 3 and poor for the LDs who lost 4. I don't know the local circumstances or personalities - the Greens stood aside in 2017 but the LDs lost ground to Caulfield but she's far from secure.
The Greens have a point on current polling. - perhaps they could offer to stand aside in Eastbourne.
Only the Guardian and the FT are anti-Brexit.
The BBC (in terms of broadcast output) is neither pro or remain, but because it provides balanced “space” to utter conmen and charlatans, tends to be pro-Brexit in its effect.
I don't doubt that TSE was right that the implied 3% chance was 'value' but that doesn't mean it will win anything. Personally I think if you took that bet on fixed odds you were chucking money down the drain. We shall see.
Though I think you agree with me that Corbyn and his associates are an utter disaster for brexit and labour. To be fair if labour were led by anyone reasonably sensible it would change the political climate in an instant
They should limit their price to less than 10 free runs (someone once identified 6 winnable seats - Lewes was not one of them), and the promise of PR.
Well, Paine was.
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/edgbaston-holds-on-fear-for-ashes-rivals-england-australia-first-test-joe-root-tim-paine/2019-08-01
...Paine does not rate Edgbaston anywhere near the top of his list of the most threatening venues around the world.
"I could name you 15," Paine told reporters on Wednesday when asked if there is a more ground intimidating in world cricket.
"England haven't lost here in how long? I don’t even know, I haven't looked at it, it doesn't concern us at all.
"I know a lot of the times when teams come to Australia and they have to go to the Gabba or the WACA it plays on their mind.
"I've seen it work in reverse. It doesn't affect us....
https://twitter.com/conhome/status/1156580476590706692?s=21
You can "cash out" by laying the Tories at a lower price than your back. Indeed spread betting you're often locked in as Sporting Index often "suspend" the markets.
Betfair has the annoying premium charge but 25-1 would never have been offered at a regular bookies on the Tories so backing on Betfair does allow you to quite literally "cash in".
'The noise is ramping up around Edgbaston, it's a Bears pit out there.'