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car I enjoyed most was a FocusTheScreamingEagles said:
My best ever vehicle was the Porsche Cayenne Turbo.Alanbrooke said:
Mercedes are for old blokes too, BMWs are for sales rep twats and Audi are for people who dont realise they;re diving a VW PoloTheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.
seriously.0 -
emigrate quick, pretty pleasenico67 said:Oh yippee so the list of benefits from Leaving the EU with no deal is as follows .
A crashing pound , so more expensive holidays .
Losing my EHIC.
An international driving permit needed now .
The return of roaming charges .
So that’s the holiday Brexit package sorted .
Onto what I might like to do in the future .
I lose my automatic right to live, work or study in the EU . If I manage to somehow escape and decide to retire my healthcare won’t be covered , my pension isn’t guaranteed to be index linked .
And for all this I get , absolutely fuck all that improves my life in any way .
So sorry but Brexit can go fuck itself !0 -
So you're saying the vote has had no impact on sterling, yet we should be worried about it? What!?Chris said:
Who knows - perhaps it's something to do with the fact that that 10% fall in the pound in 2016 was followed by a 10% rise in the pound over the following couple of years.Philip_Thompson said:
Inflation was below target before the referendum and dangerously close to deflation.
Frankly - without wishing to be rude - the handful of extreme Brexiteers here are so obsessive and delusional as to be beyond rational discussion. You'd swear white was black, or vice versa, if your devotion to this suicidal insanity dictated it.
For as long as inflation is 2.0% I am not panicking about inflation. If inflation was 5% you'd have a point.0 -
I note he's trundled into 6-1ish for next labour leader. That's a clear lay.HYUFD said:
I think the LDs would only prop up a Labour minority government if Corbyn was replaced by say Keir StarmerPulpstar said:
It should broadly correlate with labour most seats (3.55 currently) I think.AlastairMeeks said:I see Betfair have opened their Next Prime Minister market. I guess the first question is what is the fair price for Jeremy Corbyn.
There are a couple of caveats mind - Corbyn can become PM on less than Labour most seats as when push and shove come the SNP will support a Labour administration - the Lib Dems are a little more coy but I think if the arithmetic is tight they'll offer c&s to Labour ahead of a Boris Johnson led Tory party. It'll be a severly restrained (Good !) Labour Gov't that won't be able to move radically to the left too far but it will be a Corbyn Gov't I think
At the same time he might be replaced before an election.
Next GE
2019 1.9
2020 3.55
2021 21.5
2022 6.8
Corbyn Exit 2020 or later 1.44
No markets for 2021 Exit or 2022 specifically.
The market says there's a chance he'll be ousted but its tough to quantify.
There is also the possibility we have some sort of grandee PM after Boris before Corbyn.
It's a slim chance but it's there.
Are we looking around a fair price of 7-2/2-7 (To lay) maybe ?
It's not a particularly tempting back at that price but it might be fair value for both sides.0 -
I don't see why it couldn't have been Bob on Facebook? Why the need to give positive experts as men and negative as Karen. Simple everyday sexism it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
Only if you're a snowflake.Philip_Thompson said:
Somewhat sexist.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sad but trueAlanbrooke said:
yes economics is just guessworkDougSeal said:
Economics is a social science, it’s not physics. You may as well talk about “laws” of geography or anthropology.Philip_Thompson said:
The biggest change in exchange rates was 3 years ago, so how much longer is it going to lag?Chris said:
Inflation lags changes in exchange rates?Philip_Thompson said:
You tell me.williamglenn said:
How can a collapsing currency and wage inflation coexist with low inflation?Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
It wouldn't happen but that's another matter.
We have low inflation, we have wage inflation and you allege we have a collapsing currency. Check, check and check. So what's going on?
But No! You tempted me into doubt for a moment then.
We must stay strong. Belief. Liberty. A Rock Standing Alone In The Atlantic Swell.
The Laws Of Economics Will Not Apply To Us If We BELIEVE.
You haven't quoted an actual law of economics.
which is why the experts arent very good at it
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Typical Leave response ! Yawn !ReggieCide said:
emigrate quick, pretty pleasenico67 said:Oh yippee so the list of benefits from Leaving the EU with no deal is as follows .
A crashing pound , so more expensive holidays .
Losing my EHIC.
An international driving permit needed now .
The return of roaming charges .
So that’s the holiday Brexit package sorted .
Onto what I might like to do in the future .
I lose my automatic right to live, work or study in the EU . If I manage to somehow escape and decide to retire my healthcare won’t be covered , my pension isn’t guaranteed to be index linked .
And for all this I get , absolutely fuck all that improves my life in any way .
So sorry but Brexit can go fuck itself !
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Boris Johnson helped lead the country to Leave not because he believed in but he thought it would help him become Prime Minister.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, what do you make of where we're heading?
I'm leaning towards the notion the idiot Boris and macho bullshit/fear of losing face from both sides means no compromise whatsoever and no deal, despite neither side actually wanting it.
I expect he'll lead the country to Leave with No Deal not because he believes in but he thinks it would help him become Prime Minister and win an election.
My holiday took me to Europe, they are sick of us, they want to move on to other issues.
They gave us a deal that they wouldn't give anyone else, tariff free access to the single market and customs union and we threw it back in their face.
I'm looking forward to no deal, the likes of Casino Royale, principled and pragmatic Leavers have come to my view, sustained No Deal sees us rejoin the EU by mid 2025, replete with member of the Euro et al. That will be a glorious day.0 -
It's how you feel that matters. I need to do it with the lights on now (feeling that is) which doesn't helpTheScreamingEagles said:
I'm not old. I'm a mere pup in young to middle age bracket.ReggieCide said:
On that basis I would have thought a Jag might do you nicely?TheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.0 -
"Of the very many ironies of the Brexit experience, perhaps the greatest is that, in terms of grounding ideology, its leader does not represent any sort of radical break with the past. He, like most of his top team, is a liberal in every sense of the word; a cheerleader for globalisation whose definition of the Good is centred on maximising economic growth to improve public services, and steering well clear of awkward conversations about “values”. His economic plan is essentially George Osborne without the straitjacket of fiscal prudence; it is also Tony Blair in his grander moments (indeed both Osborne and Blair’s former speechwriter both tweeted their support for it within moments)."
https://unherd.com/2019/07/who-wants-to-be-boosted-by-boris/0 -
We don't really have a collapsing currency. We have a mildly depreciated one. If GBPUSD were to fall below parity, then I think that might reasonably count as a collapse.Philip_Thompson said:
You tell me.williamglenn said:
How can a collapsing currency and wage inflation coexist with low inflation?Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
It wouldn't happen but that's another matter.
We have low inflation, we have wage inflation and you allege we have a collapsing currency. Check, check and check. So what's going on?0 -
Now that he's discovered a magic money forest of Amazonian proportions, no doubt he'll fund the biggest advertising campaign since World War Two to tell us it's arrived.OllyT said:
Will we know when the "new Golden age" has arrived or will Boris have to send us another leaflet to tell us how to deal with it?Chris said:
Perhaps if you Believed In Britain. I'm shocked - truly shocked - that you of all people are spreading alarm and despondency, just when we need it most. And Just When Boris Needs It.Philip_Thompson said:
If you can demonstrate a method of exploding a thermonuclear device in central London without hurting anybody or causing any damage then yes you would have a point.Chris said:
Wise words indeed.Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
If only people would have more Belief in Britain there would be less needless worry.
Even if a thermonuclear device exploded in central London, it wouldn't matter at all if nobody was hurt and no damage was done.
Perhaps if you detonated the device in a secure testing facility which contained the impact?
Probably that will happen every week, regardless of reality.
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They are very careful about IP and control every critical step. FoxComm just assembles boxesReggieCide said:
Christ, you should warn AppleTabman said:
Except you lose the "know how" when you buy in, and it takes a very long time to reacquire it.Alanbrooke said:
Only because we encouraged off shoring. If we on shore the numbers change, Nothing is fixed forever,Tabman said:
The majority of the components will come from overseas. "make" means assemble.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at homeeek said:
A weak currency isn't inflationary if you substitute expensive goods for cheaper variations. So no Mars bars, buy Heron Foods' own brand and No VW / Audi / BMW / Merc replace with Dacia ...Chris said:
That's more like it. A weak currency won't be inflationary just so long as we Believe. That's better. Keep IT Up.Philip_Thompson said:
The biggest change in exchange rates was 3 years ago, so how much longer is it going to lag?Chris said:
Inflation lags changes in exchange rates?Philip_Thompson said:
You tell me.williamglenn said:
How can a collapsing currency and wage inflation coexist with low inflation?Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
It wouldn't happen but that's another matter.
We have low inflation, we have wage inflation and you allege we have a collapsing currency. Check, check and check. So what's going on?
But No! You tempted me into doubt for a moment then.
We must stay strong. Belief. Liberty. A Rock Standing Alone In The Atlantic Swell.
The Laws Of Economics Will Not Apply To Us If We BELIEVE.
You haven't quoted an actual law of economics.
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Looks like the LDs have completed their takeover of CUK, first Chuka, now Anna going yellowwilliamglenn said:Anna Soubry campaigning for the Lib Dems.
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If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc0 -
Not necessarily!Alanbrooke said:
Well not if you believe in global warming.OllyT said:
Quite. There is a reason we leg it to the continent as fast as our legs can carry us whenever the opportunity for a vacation arises!williamglenn said:
Think of all the Spaniards who'll be able to afford a dream retirement home in Skegness.OllyT said:
I doubt that many Brexiteers would see "foreigners" coming to the UK for a cheap holiday as a Brexit bonus!AndyJS said:
It must be nice for tourists to visit the UK and have an expensive meal for half the price for instance. As for British tourists, there are plenty of places to go to in the UK.HYUFD said:A falling £ boosts the domestic British tourist industry and British exports, especially outside the EU where tariffs will be unchanged even with a No Deal Brexit.
Despite diehard Remainer whinging it is not all negative and if a technical solution can be agreed to prevent a hard border in Ireland No Deal can still be avoided.
Respect the will of the people and believe in Britain!
The British Isles will be one of the best places to live and will produce the finest wines.
Climate change may well weaken the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and push it further south as a result of the melting Greenland icecap. We may well be spared the worst climate effects, just getting higher instability. Don't plant your vinyard yet, our damp grey country may not be ready yet.0 -
I must have missed Casino saying that. No chance that's going to happen, the British public are far too stubborn. If you believe it I'm happy to bet you £100 at evens that Britain will not be a member of the Euro by mid 2025, bet void if there's a deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris Johnson helped lead the country to Leave not because he believed in but he thought it would help him become Prime Minister.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, what do you make of where we're heading?
I'm leaning towards the notion the idiot Boris and macho bullshit/fear of losing face from both sides means no compromise whatsoever and no deal, despite neither side actually wanting it.
I expect he'll lead the country to Leave with No Deal not because he believes in but he thinks it would help him become Prime Minister and win an election.
My holiday took me to Europe, they are sick of us, they want to move on to other issues.
They gave us a deal that they wouldn't give anyone else, tariff free access to the single market and customs union and we threw it back in their face.
I'm looking forward to no deal, the likes of Casino Royale, principled and pragmatic Leavers have come to my view, sustained No Deal sees us rejoin the EU by mid 2025, replete with member of the Euro et al. That will be a glorious day.0 -
He whinesMarqueeMark said:
Mr. Dancer, you don't have a whining bone in your body.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, Miss JGP.
Mr. T, bitching about a 900 year old grudge is ridiculous. By that metric, I could whine about the Normans for genocide against Yorkshire.
Grumbling, on the hand.....
You grumble
I express my opinion.
It's one of those irregular verbs.0 -
Obviously since 2016 we have a slight rise.rcs1000 said:
We don't really have a collapsing currency. We have a mildly depreciated one. If GBPUSD were to fall below parity, then I think that might reasonably count as a collapse.Philip_Thompson said:
You tell me.williamglenn said:
How can a collapsing currency and wage inflation coexist with low inflation?Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
It wouldn't happen but that's another matter.
We have low inflation, we have wage inflation and you allege we have a collapsing currency. Check, check and check. So what's going on?0 -
Brexit has been fantastic, the fact of we got rid of Osborne has made it all worth while.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris Johnson helped lead the country to Leave not because he believed in but he thought it would help him become Prime Minister.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, what do you make of where we're heading?
I'm leaning towards the notion the idiot Boris and macho bullshit/fear of losing face from both sides means no compromise whatsoever and no deal, despite neither side actually wanting it.
I expect he'll lead the country to Leave with No Deal not because he believes in but he thinks it would help him become Prime Minister and win an election.
My holiday took me to Europe, they are sick of us, they want to move on to other issues.
They gave us a deal that they wouldn't give anyone else, tariff free access to the single market and customs union and we threw it back in their face.
I'm looking forward to no deal, the likes of Casino Royale, principled and pragmatic Leavers have come to my view, sustained No Deal sees us rejoin the EU by mid 2025, replete with member of the Euro et al. That will be a glorious day.0 -
Iy wasn't meant to be taken quite that literally but I am sure you get the gistAlanbrooke said:0 -
Agreed hence my use of the word "allege" in the post you were replying to, and my use of "apparent" earlier that got picked up on.rcs1000 said:
We don't really have a collapsing currency. We have a mildly depreciated one. If GBPUSD were to fall below parity, then I think that might reasonably count as a collapse.Philip_Thompson said:
You tell me.williamglenn said:
How can a collapsing currency and wage inflation coexist with low inflation?Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
It wouldn't happen but that's another matter.
We have low inflation, we have wage inflation and you allege we have a collapsing currency. Check, check and check. So what's going on?Ishmael_Z said:
I am loving that "apparent."Philip_Thompson said:
Despite the apparent crash in the pound I'm not paying even a penny a litre more than I was for fuel priced in $'s years a couple of years before the referendum. In real terms, fuel is cheaper now than it was years ago.kjh said:I really do think HYFUD and Phillip could put a spin on anything re Brexit:
How about burning pyres of free sheep to keep us warm to replace the oil priced in $s.
Currency is not the only thing that matters.0 -
lolFoxy said:
Not necessarily!Alanbrooke said:
Well not if you believe in global warming.OllyT said:
Quite. There is a reason we leg it to the continent as fast as our legs can carry us whenever the opportunity for a vacation arises!williamglenn said:
Think of all the Spaniards who'll be able to afford a dream retirement home in Skegness.OllyT said:
I doubt that many Brexiteers would see "foreigners" coming to the UK for a cheap holiday as a Brexit bonus!AndyJS said:
It must be nice for tourists to visit the UK and have an expensive meal for half the price for instance. As for British tourists, there are plenty of places to go to in the UK.HYUFD said:A falling £ boosts the domestic British tourist industry and British exports, especially outside the EU where tariffs will be unchanged even with a No Deal Brexit.
Despite diehard Remainer whinging it is not all negative and if a technical solution can be agreed to prevent a hard border in Ireland No Deal can still be avoided.
Respect the will of the people and believe in Britain!
The British Isles will be one of the best places to live and will produce the finest wines.
Climate change may well weaken the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and push it further south as a result of the melting Greenland icecap. We may well be spared the worst climate effects, just getting higher instability. Don't plant your vinyard yet, our damp grey country may not be ready yet.
I was told to plant an olive grove in the 1990s
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Why do people get a hard on over pedestrian cars?TheScreamingEagles said:
My best ever vehicle was the Porsche Cayenne Turbo.Alanbrooke said:
Mercedes are for old blokes too, BMWs are for sales rep twats and Audi are for people who dont realise they;re diving a VW PoloTheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.
I’m driving a 16 year old second hand 3 series and it gets me where I want to go reliably and comfortably0 -
The 1980s bloke was passingly positive but it's all downhill from there. So I suppose you're right but I do suspect that women are more gullible than men - I'm going, I'm goingPhilip_Thompson said:
I don't see why it couldn't have been Bob on Facebook? Why the need to give positive experts as men and negative as Karen. Simple everyday sexism it seems.TheScreamingEagles said:
Only if you're a snowflake.Philip_Thompson said:
Somewhat sexist.TheScreamingEagles said:
Sad but trueAlanbrooke said:
yes economics is just guessworkDougSeal said:
Economics is a social science, it’s not physics. You may as well talk about “laws” of geography or anthropology.Philip_Thompson said:
The biggest change in exchange rates was 3 years ago, so how much longer is it going to lag?Chris said:
Inflation lags changes in exchange rates?Philip_Thompson said:
You tell me.williamglenn said:
How can a collapsing currency and wage inflation coexist with low inflation?Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
It wouldn't happen but that's another matter.
We have low inflation, we have wage inflation and you allege we have a collapsing currency. Check, check and check. So what's going on?
But No! You tempted me into doubt for a moment then.
We must stay strong. Belief. Liberty. A Rock Standing Alone In The Atlantic Swell.
The Laws Of Economics Will Not Apply To Us If We BELIEVE.
You haven't quoted an actual law of economics.
which is why the experts arent very good at it
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This is what he wrote yesterdayPhilip_Thompson said:
I must have missed Casino saying that. No chance that's going to happen, the British public are far too stubborn. If you believe it I'm happy to bet you £100 at evens that Britain will not be a member of the Euro by mid 2025, bet void if there's a deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris Johnson helped lead the country to Leave not because he believed in but he thought it would help him become Prime Minister.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, what do you make of where we're heading?
I'm leaning towards the notion the idiot Boris and macho bullshit/fear of losing face from both sides means no compromise whatsoever and no deal, despite neither side actually wanting it.
I expect he'll lead the country to Leave with No Deal not because he believes in but he thinks it would help him become Prime Minister and win an election.
My holiday took me to Europe, they are sick of us, they want to move on to other issues.
They gave us a deal that they wouldn't give anyone else, tariff free access to the single market and customs union and we threw it back in their face.
I'm looking forward to no deal, the likes of Casino Royale, principled and pragmatic Leavers have come to my view, sustained No Deal sees us rejoin the EU by mid 2025, replete with member of the Euro et al. That will be a glorious day.
No Deal will lead to a collapse of his Government followed by an election by February 2021 with an administration committed to taking us back into the EU ASAP, at any price.
It will lead to us rejoining before 2025 and committed, this time, to the Euro, Schengen, common tax, asylum and defence, and any future federalisation on top.
There’s a small chance (20%?) that it proves decisive in changing public opinion, and goes ok, leading to the UK permanently charting its own course. But that’s very optimistic.
Otherwise a vote for No Deal is a vote for a Federal Europe and not something sensible eurosceptics should be tempted by.
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All luxury brand cars are just people spending on image, completely fine, but deluded if they think it is to do with quality that justifies the price differentials.Alanbrooke said:
Mercedes are for old blokes too, BMWs are for sales rep twats and Audi are for people who dont realise they;re diving a VW PoloTheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.0 -
Of course that's not what I said.Philip_Thompson said:
So you're saying the vote has had no impact on sterling, yet we should be worried about it? What!?Chris said:
Who knows - perhaps it's something to do with the fact that that 10% fall in the pound in 2016 was followed by a 10% rise in the pound over the following couple of years.Philip_Thompson said:
Inflation was below target before the referendum and dangerously close to deflation.
Frankly - without wishing to be rude - the handful of extreme Brexiteers here are so obsessive and delusional as to be beyond rational discussion. You'd swear white was black, or vice versa, if your devotion to this suicidal insanity dictated it.
Shut up for a bit and go and look at a chart of the exchange rate if you don't know what's happened.0 -
You're staying then, regardless.nico67 said:
Typical Leave response ! Yawn !ReggieCide said:
emigrate quick, pretty pleasenico67 said:Oh yippee so the list of benefits from Leaving the EU with no deal is as follows .
A crashing pound , so more expensive holidays .
Losing my EHIC.
An international driving permit needed now .
The return of roaming charges .
So that’s the holiday Brexit package sorted .
Onto what I might like to do in the future .
I lose my automatic right to live, work or study in the EU . If I manage to somehow escape and decide to retire my healthcare won’t be covered , my pension isn’t guaranteed to be index linked .
And for all this I get , absolutely fuck all that improves my life in any way .
So sorry but Brexit can go fuck itself !0 -
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc0 -
Suicidal is right. And its also the justification for seeking to reverse Brexit - if you see someone on a bridge threatening to jump the obvious response is to hold them back, even though they might have set their mind on jumping and believe that it is the best thing for them. You stop them, if you can, because you know they are set on doing something that will prove disastrous.Chris said:
Who knows - perhaps it's something to do with the fact that that 10% fall in the pound in 2016 was followed by a 10% rise in the pound over the following couple of years.Philip_Thompson said:
Inflation was below target before the referendum and dangerously close to deflation. The target rate of inflation is 2.0%
Our current inflation rate is 2.0% - which is 0.0% above target.
If Brexit is the cause of inflation being 0.0% above target then I can live with that.
Frankly - without wishing to be rude - the handful of extreme Brexiteers here are so obsessive and delusional as to be beyond rational discussion. You'd swear white was black, or vice versa, if your devotion to this suicidal insanity dictated it.
Brexit, especially no deal Brexit, is national suicide - the fact that many people have set their mind on it and believe that it is the best thing for them does not alter the fact that it will prove disastrous. And therefore everything possible needs to be done to prevent it.0 -
As a child I spent many holiday on Gower and Pembrokeshire. My abiding memory is sitting inside all day watching the rain pouring down and inedible restaurant meals. I grant you that the food may have improvedHYUFD said:
Having a holiday in Pembrokeshire and dining on plenty of tasty Welsh lamb will be something we can all look forward to post BrexitAnorak said:Loving the "making you too poor to afford a holiday abroad is actually a good thing" takes from the more monomaniacal leavers.
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Did you invest in alpaca farming?Alanbrooke said:
lolFoxy said:
Not necessarily!Alanbrooke said:
Well not if you believe in global warming.OllyT said:
Quite. There is a reason we leg it to the continent as fast as our legs can carry us whenever the opportunity for a vacation arises!williamglenn said:
Think of all the Spaniards who'll be able to afford a dream retirement home in Skegness.OllyT said:
I doubt that many Brexiteers would see "foreigners" coming to the UK for a cheap holiday as a Brexit bonus!AndyJS said:
It must be nice for tourists to visit the UK and have an expensive meal for half the price for instance. As for British tourists, there are plenty of places to go to in the UK.HYUFD said:A falling £ boosts the domestic British tourist industry and British exports, especially outside the EU where tariffs will be unchanged even with a No Deal Brexit.
Despite diehard Remainer whinging it is not all negative and if a technical solution can be agreed to prevent a hard border in Ireland No Deal can still be avoided.
Respect the will of the people and believe in Britain!
The British Isles will be one of the best places to live and will produce the finest wines.
Climate change may well weaken the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and push it further south as a result of the melting Greenland icecap. We may well be spared the worst climate effects, just getting higher instability. Don't plant your vinyard yet, our damp grey country may not be ready yet.
I was told to plant an olive grove in the 1990s
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really just piss off, Ive worked in the car manufacturing sector most of my life. most of what has been posted since brexit has been total bollocks spun with a political angle. If we want a car industry we have to work for it and not just indulge in the me ne freggo of the Blair years. Those shedding crocdile tears for car plants now are the same lot who told us all it wasnt important in the noughties as we had the "new economy"FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
turns out they were wrong0 -
Particularly having just made emigrating harder both legally and financially...nico67 said:
Typical Leave response ! Yawn !ReggieCide said:
emigrate quick, pretty pleasenico67 said:Oh yippee so the list of benefits from Leaving the EU with no deal is as follows .
A crashing pound , so more expensive holidays .
Losing my EHIC.
An international driving permit needed now .
The return of roaming charges .
So that’s the holiday Brexit package sorted .
Onto what I might like to do in the future .
I lose my automatic right to live, work or study in the EU . If I manage to somehow escape and decide to retire my healthcare won’t be covered , my pension isn’t guaranteed to be index linked .
And for all this I get , absolutely fuck all that improves my life in any way .
So sorry but Brexit can go fuck itself !0 -
This is not apposite to previous exchangesCharles said:
They are very careful about IP and control every critical step. FoxComm just assembles boxesReggieCide said:
Christ, you should warn AppleTabman said:
Except you lose the "know how" when you buy in, and it takes a very long time to reacquire it.Alanbrooke said:
Only because we encouraged off shoring. If we on shore the numbers change, Nothing is fixed forever,Tabman said:
The majority of the components will come from overseas. "make" means assemble.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at homeeek said:
A weak currency isn't inflationary if you substitute expensive goods for cheaper variations. So no Mars bars, buy Heron Foods' own brand and No VW / Audi / BMW / Merc replace with Dacia ...Chris said:
That's more like it. A weak currency won't be inflationary just so long as we Believe. That's better. Keep IT Up.Philip_Thompson said:
The biggest change in exchange rates was 3 years ago, so how much longer is it going to lag?Chris said:
Inflation lags changes in exchange rates?Philip_Thompson said:
You tell me.williamglenn said:
How can a collapsing currency and wage inflation coexist with low inflation?Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
It wouldn't happen but that's another matter.
We have low inflation, we have wage inflation and you allege we have a collapsing currency. Check, check and check. So what's going on?
But No! You tempted me into doubt for a moment then.
We must stay strong. Belief. Liberty. A Rock Standing Alone In The Atlantic Swell.
The Laws Of Economics Will Not Apply To Us If We BELIEVE.
You haven't quoted an actual law of economics.
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I doubt it, the Tories will never take us back into the EU and if they have not negotiated a FTA with the EU in 10 years the most I can see Labour and the LDs doing is taking us back into the EEA and single market.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is what he wrote yesterdayPhilip_Thompson said:
I must have missed Casino saying that. No chance that's going to happen, the British public are far too stubborn. If you believe it I'm happy to bet you £100 at evens that Britain will not be a member of the Euro by mid 2025, bet void if there's a deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris Johnson helped lead the country to Leave not because he believed in but he thought it would help him become Prime Minister.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, what do you make of where we're heading?
I'm leaning towards the notion the idiot Boris and macho bullshit/fear of losing face from both sides means no compromise whatsoever and no deal, despite neither side actually wanting it.
I expect he'll lead the country to Leave with No Deal not because he believes in but he thinks it would help him become Prime Minister and win an election.
My holiday took me to Europe, they are sick of us, they want to move on to other issues.
They gave us a deal that they wouldn't give anyone else, tariff free access to the single market and customs union and we threw it back in their face.
I'm looking forward to no deal, the likes of Casino Royale, principled and pragmatic Leavers have come to my view, sustained No Deal sees us rejoin the EU by mid 2025, replete with member of the Euro et al. That will be a glorious day.
No Deal will lead to a collapse of his Government followed by an election by February 2021 with an administration committed to taking us back into the EU ASAP, at any price.
It will lead to us rejoining before 2025 and committed, this time, to the Euro, Schengen, common tax, asylum and defence, and any future federalisation on top.
There’s a small chance (20%?) that it proves decisive in changing public opinion, and goes ok, leading to the UK permanently charting its own course. But that’s very optimistic.
Otherwise a vote for No Deal is a vote for a Federal Europe and not something sensible eurosceptics should be tempted by.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/2417694/#Comment_2417694
There will never be a majority in the UK for joining the Euro and by then Salvini's Italy may have restored the lira anyway0 -
No, but the farmer about half a mile away has just opened hisCharles said:
Did you invest in alpaca farming?Alanbrooke said:
lolFoxy said:
Not necessarily!Alanbrooke said:
Well not if you believe in global warming.OllyT said:
Quite. There is a reason we leg it to the continent as fast as our legs can carry us whenever the opportunity for a vacation arises!williamglenn said:
Think of all the Spaniards who'll be able to afford a dream retirement home in Skegness.OllyT said:
I doubt that many Brexiteers would see "foreigners" coming to the UK for a cheap holiday as a Brexit bonus!AndyJS said:
It must be nice for tourists to visit the UK and have an expensive meal for half the price for instance. As for British tourists, there are plenty of places to go to in the UK.HYUFD said:A falling £ boosts the domestic British tourist industry and British exports, especially outside the EU where tariffs will be unchanged even with a No Deal Brexit.
Despite diehard Remainer whinging it is not all negative and if a technical solution can be agreed to prevent a hard border in Ireland No Deal can still be avoided.
Respect the will of the people and believe in Britain!
The British Isles will be one of the best places to live and will produce the finest wines.
Climate change may well weaken the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and push it further south as a result of the melting Greenland icecap. We may well be spared the worst climate effects, just getting higher instability. Don't plant your vinyard yet, our damp grey country may not be ready yet.
I was told to plant an olive grove in the 1990s
just as well I didnt0 -
There's been swings and roundaboutss, ups and downs, but more downs overall. As you could have written for the last 70 years roughly.Chris said:
Of course that's not what I said.Philip_Thompson said:
So you're saying the vote has had no impact on sterling, yet we should be worried about it? What!?Chris said:
Who knows - perhaps it's something to do with the fact that that 10% fall in the pound in 2016 was followed by a 10% rise in the pound over the following couple of years.Philip_Thompson said:
Inflation was below target before the referendum and dangerously close to deflation.
Frankly - without wishing to be rude - the handful of extreme Brexiteers here are so obsessive and delusional as to be beyond rational discussion. You'd swear white was black, or vice versa, if your devotion to this suicidal insanity dictated it.
Shut up for a bit and go and look at a chart of the exchange rate if you don't know what's happened.
There's no real difference between now and 2 years ago despite Boris, despite the rejection of the deal, despite the very real chance of no deal which simply wasn't believed 2 years ago.
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The day of the referendum GBP briefly touched 1.50 USD. A drop to 0.2 USD is a decrease to 0.2/1.5 which is approx 13%. But that's awks so let's go with 0.2/1.3, the day May announced the deal. That's 15%.Philip_Thompson said:
I don't believe it will. Considering our currency has fallen by 80% to the dollar over decades why doesn't your laptop already cost 5x what it does in the USA In real terms?viewcode said:
At £1=0.2 USD my laptop would cost me £5000. I think I would notice that.Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
Some things you can't get in the UK and for which there is no local substitute. We don't have any uranium or coltan mines, for example.
Ok, so what is the number that gives you 15% = 1.3? It's 1.3/0.15, which is 8.66. GBP has not been as high as 8.66USD for centuries: American Civil War? War of Independence? Not in the 20th century IIRC. So the laptop i could have bought with that money in the 19th Century would be extremely crude, with valves, Ada Lovelace writing the software, and - knowing my luck - running Vista
(Hint: percentages are multiplicative, not additive. If something drops by 20%, and then increases by 20%, it doesn't get back to the same number)
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He got to ask a question but couldn’t get his mug on TV?williamglenn said:Fearless Boris.
https://twitter.com/itvwales/status/1156204777941950465?s=21
So he stropped?0 -
How many "Comings" is that now? Are you trying for a deification?anothernick said:
Suicidal is right. And its also the justification for seeking to reverse Brexit - if you see someone on a bridge threatening to jump the obvious response is to hold them back, even though they might have set their mind on jumping and believe that it is the best thing for them. You stop them, if you can, because you know they are set on doing something that will prove disastrous.Chris said:
Who knows - perhaps it's something to do with the fact that that 10% fall in the pound in 2016 was followed by a 10% rise in the pound over the following couple of years.Philip_Thompson said:
Inflation was below target before the referendum and dangerously close to deflation. The target rate of inflation is 2.0%
Our current inflation rate is 2.0% - which is 0.0% above target.
If Brexit is the cause of inflation being 0.0% above target then I can live with that.
Frankly - without wishing to be rude - the handful of extreme Brexiteers here are so obsessive and delusional as to be beyond rational discussion. You'd swear white was black, or vice versa, if your devotion to this suicidal insanity dictated it.
Brexit, especially no deal Brexit, is national suicide - the fact that many people have set their mind on it and believe that it is the best thing for them does not alter the fact that it will prove disastrous. And therefore everything possible needs to be done to prevent it.0 -
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.0 -
Boris will campaign like May in a general election, flitting between safe spaces, and avoiding the press and debates.williamglenn said:Fearless Boris.
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No visual record of the question being answered - hence when Boris takes to disliking his own answer it becomes "Fake News"...Charles said:
He got to ask a question but couldn’t get his mug on TV?williamglenn said:Fearless Boris.
https://twitter.com/itvwales/status/1156204777941950465?s=21
So he stropped?0 -
Only skimmed but thought you were talking about the downsides of offshoring? Apple has acknowledged thoses and is very careful about the value added aspects of its work. It isn’t losing meaningful know howReggieCide said:
This is not apposite to previous exchangesCharles said:
They are very careful about IP and control every critical step. FoxComm just assembles boxesReggieCide said:
Christ, you should warn AppleTabman said:
Except you lose the "know how" when you buy in, and it takes a very long time to reacquire it.Alanbrooke said:
Only because we encouraged off shoring. If we on shore the numbers change, Nothing is fixed forever,Tabman said:
The majority of the components will come from overseas. "make" means assemble.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at homeeek said:
A weak currency isn't inflationary if you substitute expensive goods for cheaper variations. So no Mars bars, buy Heron Foods' own brand and No VW / Audi / BMW / Merc replace with Dacia ...Chris said:
That's more like it. A weak currency won't be inflationary just so long as we Believe. That's better. Keep IT Up.Philip_Thompson said:
The biggest change in exchange rates was 3 years ago, so how much longer is it going to lag?Chris said:
Inflation lags changes in exchange rates?Philip_Thompson said:
You tell me.williamglenn said:
How can a collapsing currency and wage inflation coexist with low inflation?Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answefor everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
It wouldn't happen but that's another matter.
We have low inflation, we have wage inflation and you allege we have a collapsing currency. Check, check and check. So what's going on?
But No! You tempted me into doubt for a moment then.
We must stay strong. Belief. Liberty. A Rock Standing Alone In The Atlantic Swell.
The Laws Of Economics Will Not Apply To Us If We BELIEVE.
You haven't quoted an actual law of economics.
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Are people still doing that 😂Alanbrooke said:
No, but the farmer about half a mile away has just opened hisCharles said:
Did you invest in alpaca farming?Alanbrooke said:
lolFoxy said:
Not necessarily!Alanbrooke said:
Well not if you believe in global warming.OllyT said:
Quite. There is a reason we leg it to the continent as fast as our legs can carry us whenever the opportunity for a vacation arises!williamglenn said:
Think of all the Spaniards who'll be able to afford a dream retirement home in Skegness.OllyT said:
I doubt that many Brexiteers would see "foreigners" coming to the UK for a cheap holiday as a Brexit bonus!AndyJS said:
It must be nice for tourists to visit the UK and have an expensive meal for half the price for instance. As for British tourists, there are plenty of places to go to in the UK.HYUFD said:A falling £ boosts the domestic British tourist industry and British exports, especially outside the EU where tariffs will be unchanged even with a No Deal Brexit.
Despite diehard Remainer whinging it is not all negative and if a technical solution can be agreed to prevent a hard border in Ireland No Deal can still be avoided.
Respect the will of the people and believe in Britain!
The British Isles will be one of the best places to live and will produce the finest wines.
Climate change may well weaken the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and push it further south as a result of the melting Greenland icecap. We may well be spared the worst climate effects, just getting higher instability. Don't plant your vinyard yet, our damp grey country may not be ready yet.
I was told to plant an olive grove in the 1990s
just as well I didnt0 -
how so?Foxy said:
Particularly having just made emigrating harder both legally and financially...nico67 said:
Typical Leave response ! Yawn !ReggieCide said:
emigrate quick, pretty pleasenico67 said:Oh yippee so the list of benefits from Leaving the EU with no deal is as follows .
A crashing pound , so more expensive holidays .
Losing my EHIC.
An international driving permit needed now .
The return of roaming charges .
So that’s the holiday Brexit package sorted .
Onto what I might like to do in the future .
I lose my automatic right to live, work or study in the EU . If I manage to somehow escape and decide to retire my healthcare won’t be covered , my pension isn’t guaranteed to be index linked .
And for all this I get , absolutely fuck all that improves my life in any way .
So sorry but Brexit can go fuck itself !0 -
I didn't say "the pound has fallen dramatically repeatedly for each of the last 6 to 12 months" I said we go thru the same 6-12 month cycle of arguing about the pound and me having to post the figures to settle it.Philip_Thompson said:
If the pound has fallen dramatically repeatedly for each of the last 6 to 12 month periods then it will be considerably lower now.viewcode said:
Please don't make me post the figures again. Every few years or months, somebody on PB (it might be you: apologies if it isn't) says that the pound has not fallen in value, I go to the bother of actually posting the figures, then there is silence, then 6-12 months later we do it all over again.Philip_Thompson said:
The pound has "crashed" by a basically margin of error change that it has been trending within in recent years. Some "crash".Ishmael_Z said:
I am loving that "apparent."Philip_Thompson said:
Despite the apparent crash in the pound I'm not paying even a penny a litre more than I was for fuel priced in $'s years a couple of years before the referendum. In real terms, fuel is cheaper now than it was years ago.kjh said:I really do think HYFUD and Phillip could put a spin on anything re Brexit:
How about burning pyres of free sheep to keep us warm to replace the oil priced in $s.
Currency is not the only thing that matters.
Hence apparent.
So compared to 1 September 2017 which is nearly 24 months ago or time for nearly 4x 6 month worth of falls ... so how much lower is the pound to the Euro now than 1 September 2017?0 -
Boris did debates in the leadership election and referendum and has been campaigning across the UK since. He is a far better campaigner than May but it was the dementia tax that cost May her majority, which Boris opposed, not stage managed appearancesglw said:
Boris will campaign like May in a general election, flitting between safe spaces, and avoiding the press and debates.williamglenn said:Fearless Boris.
https://twitter.com/itvwales/status/1156204777941950465?s=210 -
yes though mostly for alapca trekkingCharles said:
Are people still doing that 😂Alanbrooke said:
No, but the farmer about half a mile away has just opened hisCharles said:
Did you invest in alpaca farming?Alanbrooke said:
lolFoxy said:
Not necessarily!Alanbrooke said:
Well not if you believe in global warming.OllyT said:
Quite. There is a reason we leg it to the continent as fast as our legs can carry us whenever the opportunity for a vacation arises!williamglenn said:
Think of all the Spaniards who'll be able to afford a dream retirement home in Skegness.OllyT said:
I doubt that many Brexiteers would see "foreigners" coming to the UK for a cheap holiday as a Brexit bonus!AndyJS said:
It must be nice for tourists to visit the UK and have an expensive meal for half the price for instance. As for British tourists, there are plenty of places to go to in the UK.HYUFD said:A falling £ boosts the domestic British tourist industry and British exports, especially outside the EU where tariffs will be unchanged even with a No Deal Brexit.
Despite diehard Remainer whinging it is not all negative and if a technical solution can be agreed to prevent a hard border in Ireland No Deal can still be avoided.
Respect the will of the people and believe in Britain!
The British Isles will be one of the best places to live and will produce the finest wines.
Climate change may well weaken the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and push it further south as a result of the melting Greenland icecap. We may well be spared the worst climate effects, just getting higher instability. Don't plant your vinyard yet, our damp grey country may not be ready yet.
I was told to plant an olive grove in the 1990s
just as well I didnt
my sons girlfriend wants to open one in her place in France. Shes hoping it will scare the boar and the coypus,
dont rate her chances much
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There are some excellent pubs and restaurants in Pembrokeshire and as the heatwave last week showed even some sunshine.OllyT said:
As a child I spent many holiday on Gower and Pembrokeshire. My abiding memory is sitting inside all day watching the rain pouring down and inedible restaurant meals. I grant you that the food may have improvedHYUFD said:
Having a holiday in Pembrokeshire and dining on plenty of tasty Welsh lamb will be something we can all look forward to post BrexitAnorak said:Loving the "making you too poor to afford a holiday abroad is actually a good thing" takes from the more monomaniacal leavers.
No Deal Brexit will offer us all the chance to discover again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dine on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine0 -
2018Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
US - 137K
China - 114K
UK - 116K
EU27 - 127K
RoW - 96K
China down from 147K in 2017 rest stableish,0 -
So go on, settle it please. Because to me it looks like the exchange rate is identical to what it was roughly 2 years ago.viewcode said:
I didn't say "the pound has fallen dramatically repeatedly for each of the last 6 to 12 months" I said we go thru the same 6-12 month cycle of arguing about the pound and me having to post the figures to settle it.Philip_Thompson said:
If the pound has fallen dramatically repeatedly for each of the last 6 to 12 month periods then it will be considerably lower now.viewcode said:
Please don't make me post the figures again. Every few years or months, somebody on PB (it might be you: apologies if it isn't) says that the pound has not fallen in value, I go to the bother of actually posting the figures, then there is silence, then 6-12 months later we do it all over again.Philip_Thompson said:
The pound has "crashed" by a basically margin of error change that it has been trending within in recent years. Some "crash".Ishmael_Z said:
I am loving that "apparent."Philip_Thompson said:
Despite the apparent crash in the pound I'm not paying even a penny a litre more than I was for fuel priced in $'s years a couple of years before the referendum. In real terms, fuel is cheaper now than it was years ago.kjh said:I really do think HYFUD and Phillip could put a spin on anything re Brexit:
How about burning pyres of free sheep to keep us warm to replace the oil priced in $s.
Currency is not the only thing that matters.
Hence apparent.
So compared to 1 September 2017 which is nearly 24 months ago or time for nearly 4x 6 month worth of falls ... so how much lower is the pound to the Euro now than 1 September 2017?
To me inflation also looks to be identical to our target.0 -
Honda yes Astra maybe Nissan noCasino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.
HMG should just tell PSA if they close Ellesmer Port theyll never sell another car in this country.0 -
Audi drivers are the worst people on the road. Actually just the worst human beings full stop.noneoftheabove said:
All luxury brand cars are just people spending on image, completely fine, but deluded if they think it is to do with quality that justifies the price differentials.Alanbrooke said:
Mercedes are for old blokes too, BMWs are for sales rep twats and Audi are for people who dont realise they;re diving a VW PoloTheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.0 -
If things continue as they are ac£100 bet payable in 2025 will be worth 78p in today’s money.Philip_Thompson said:
I must have missed Casino saying that. No chance that's going to happen, the British public are far too stubborn. If you believe it I'm happy to bet you £100 at evens that Britain will not be a member of the Euro by mid 2025, bet void if there's a deal.TheScreamingEagles said:
Boris Johnson helped lead the country to Leave not because he believed in but he thought it would help him become Prime Minister.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, what do you make of where we're heading?
I'm leaning towards the notion the idiot Boris and macho bullshit/fear of losing face from both sides means no compromise whatsoever and no deal, despite neither side actually wanting it.
I expect he'll lead the country to Leave with No Deal not because he believes in but he thinks it would help him become Prime Minister and win an election.
My holiday took me to Europe, they are sick of us, they want to move on to other issues.
They gave us a deal that they wouldn't give anyone else, tariff free access to the single market and customs union and we threw it back in their face.
I'm looking forward to no deal, the likes of Casino Royale, principled and pragmatic Leavers have come to my view, sustained No Deal sees us rejoin the EU by mid 2025, replete with member of the Euro et al. That will be a glorious day.
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Mini also the market research says the customer like the made in Britain. It is why Frans Timmermans drives around Brussels in a Mini with Union Jack on the roof.Alanbrooke said:
Honda yesm Astra maybe Nissan noCasino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.
HMG should just tell PSA if they close Ellesmer Port theyll never sell another car in this country.0 -
Somebody (Doug DeMuro?) once did a video about how bangers are great fun because you don't give a shit about them. Handbrake turns, drifting, driving on the beach, is all more fun because if the car is damaged or written off it's not a problem.Alanbrooke said:
car I enjoyed most was a FocusTheScreamingEagles said:
My best ever vehicle was the Porsche Cayenne Turbo.Alanbrooke said:
Mercedes are for old blokes too, BMWs are for sales rep twats and Audi are for people who dont realise they;re diving a VW PoloTheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.
seriously.0 -
Global Britain eh?Alanbrooke said:
Honda yes Astra maybe Nissan noCasino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.
HMG should just tell PSA if they close Ellesmer Port theyll never sell another car in this country.0 -
yes all of that, and Im shit a parking so I could fit in to tight spots and if I got a dent well I had others, But it was really relible and a drivers carviewcode said:
Somebody (Doug DeMuro?) once did a video about how bangers are great fun because you don't give a shit about them. Handbrake turns, drifting, driving on the beach, is all more fun because if the car is damaged or written off it's not a problem.Alanbrooke said:
car I enjoyed most was a FocusTheScreamingEagles said:
My best ever vehicle was the Porsche Cayenne Turbo.Alanbrooke said:
Mercedes are for old blokes too, BMWs are for sales rep twats and Audi are for people who dont realise they;re diving a VW PoloTheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.
seriously.0 -
Oh at last, a threshold. Thank you....rcs1000 said:
We don't really have a collapsing currency. We have a mildly depreciated one. If GBPUSD were to fall below parity, then I think that might reasonably count as a collapse.Philip_Thompson said:
You tell me.williamglenn said:
How can a collapsing currency and wage inflation coexist with low inflation?Philip_Thompson said:
The pound could hit 20 cents and it wouldn't matter if inflation was low and real wages were rising.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
It wouldn't happen but that's another matter.
We have low inflation, we have wage inflation and you allege we have a collapsing currency. Check, check and check. So what's going on? 0 -
Global Little Britain or more accurately Global Greater Royston VaseyTheScreamingEagles said:
Global Britain eh?Alanbrooke said:
Honda yes Astra maybe Nissan noCasino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.
HMG should just tell PSA if they close Ellesmer Port theyll never sell another car in this country.
Although Global Greater Grimsby / Hartlepool / Leyland work just as well...0 -
Errrrm, you do realize that JLR are building the most fundamentally iconically iconic British vehicle evah, the new Defender, in Slovakia?Casino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.0 -
Im still waiting toi see if anything comes of BMW loooking at the Swindon plant, given they are totally land locked in Cowley it would be a good move for them.ralphmalph said:
Mini also the market research says the customer like the made in Britain. It is why Frans Timmermans drives around Brussels in a Mini with Union Jack on the roof.Alanbrooke said:
Honda yesm Astra maybe Nissan noCasino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.
HMG should just tell PSA if they close Ellesmer Port theyll never sell another car in this country.0 -
I though you worked in a shower factory (possibly owned it?) Am I mixing you up with somebody else?Alanbrooke said:
really just piss off, Ive worked in the car manufacturing sector most of my life. most of what has been posted since brexit has been total bollocks spun with a political angle. If we want a car industry we have to work for it and not just indulge in the me ne freggo of the Blair years. Those shedding crocdile tears for car plants now are the same lot who told us all it wasnt important in the noughties as we had the "new economy"FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
turns out they were wrong0 -
In what way were we prevented from discovering again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dining on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine, prior to Brexit?HYUFD said:
There are some excellent pubs and restaurants in Pembrokeshire and as the heatwave last week showed even some sunshine.OllyT said:
As a child I spent many holiday on Gower and Pembrokeshire. My abiding memory is sitting inside all day watching the rain pouring down and inedible restaurant meals. I grant you that the food may have improvedHYUFD said:
Having a holiday in Pembrokeshire and dining on plenty of tasty Welsh lamb will be something we can all look forward to post BrexitAnorak said:Loving the "making you too poor to afford a holiday abroad is actually a good thing" takes from the more monomaniacal leavers.
No Deal Brexit will offer us all the chance to discover again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dine on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine2 -
lol, car companies are the scumbags of the world, Their executives carry their balls around in wheelbarrows and shouting in your face is just basic communication. They love to blackmail governments so frankly if you aint offering them some pain they dont respect you.TheScreamingEagles said:
Global Britain eh?Alanbrooke said:
Honda yes Astra maybe Nissan noCasino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.
HMG should just tell PSA if they close Ellesmer Port theyll never sell another car in this country.0 -
There is some serious building work going on at the pressing plant in Swindon, it looks like it is a very big building going up. They may finally be renewing the pressing machines that My father had a big hand in making when it was BAE.Alanbrooke said:
Im still waiting toi see if anything comes of BMW loooking at the Swindon plant, given they are totally land locked in Cowley it would be a good move for them.ralphmalph said:
Mini also the market research says the customer like the made in Britain. It is why Frans Timmermans drives around Brussels in a Mini with Union Jack on the roof.Alanbrooke said:
Honda yesm Astra maybe Nissan noCasino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.
HMG should just tell PSA if they close Ellesmer Port theyll never sell another car in this country.0 -
If they haven't closed...HYUFD said:
There are some excellent pubs and restaurants in Pembrokeshire and as the heatwave last week showed even some sunshine.OllyT said:
As a child I spent many holiday on Gower and Pembrokeshire. My abiding memory is sitting inside all day watching the rain pouring down and inedible restaurant meals. I grant you that the food may have improvedHYUFD said:
Having a holiday in Pembrokeshire and dining on plenty of tasty Welsh lamb will be something we can all look forward to post BrexitAnorak said:Loving the "making you too poor to afford a holiday abroad is actually a good thing" takes from the more monomaniacal leavers.
No Deal Brexit will offer us all the chance to discover again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dine on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine0 -
Losing FoM to 27 countries and the drop in Sterling making it less affordable.ReggieCide said:
how so?Foxy said:
Particularly having just made emigrating harder both legally and financially...nico67 said:
Typical Leave response ! Yawn !ReggieCide said:
emigrate quick, pretty pleasenico67 said:Oh yippee so the list of benefits from Leaving the EU with no deal is as follows .
A crashing pound , so more expensive holidays .
Losing my EHIC.
An international driving permit needed now .
The return of roaming charges .
So that’s the holiday Brexit package sorted .
Onto what I might like to do in the future .
I lose my automatic right to live, work or study in the EU . If I manage to somehow escape and decide to retire my healthcare won’t be covered , my pension isn’t guaranteed to be index linked .
And for all this I get , absolutely fuck all that improves my life in any way .
So sorry but Brexit can go fuck itself !0 -
One no longer has the freedom to reside in the EU 27 and the money one has to facilitate the relocation is now inadequate given its fall in relative value. Hence the term "harder".ReggieCide said:
how so?Foxy said:
Particularly having just made emigrating harder both legally and financially...nico67 said:
Typical Leave response ! Yawn !ReggieCide said:
emigrate quick, pretty pleasenico67 said:Oh yippee so the list of benefits from Leaving the EU with no deal is as follows .
A crashing pound , so more expensive holidays .
Losing my EHIC.
An international driving permit needed now .
The return of roaming charges .
So that’s the holiday Brexit package sorted .
Onto what I might like to do in the future .
I lose my automatic right to live, work or study in the EU . If I manage to somehow escape and decide to retire my healthcare won’t be covered , my pension isn’t guaranteed to be index linked .
And for all this I get , absolutely fuck all that improves my life in any way .
So sorry but Brexit can go fuck itself !
(This is the second time this has cropped up. @Andy_JS , who is not stupid, was surprised when I pointed out we no longer have the right to live in France. Do people genuinely not get this? Signed, puzzled of viewcode)0 -
Alpacas can beat the shit out of dogs and foxesAlanbrooke said:
yes though mostly for alapca trekkingCharles said:
Are people still doing that 😂Alanbrooke said:
No, but the farmer about half a mile away has just opened hisCharles said:
Did you invest in alpaca farming?Alanbrooke said:
lolFoxy said:
Not necessarily!Alanbrooke said:
Well not if you believe in global warming.OllyT said:
Quite. There is a reason we leg it to the continent as fast as our legs can carry us whenever the opportunity for a vacation arises!williamglenn said:
Think of all the Spaniards who'll be able to afford a dream retirement home in Skegness.OllyT said:
I doubt that many Brexiteers would see "foreigners" coming to the UK for a cheap holiday as a Brexit bonus!AndyJS said:
It must be nice for tourists to visit the UK and have an expensive meal for half the price for instance. As for British tourists, there are plenty of places to go to in the UK.HYUFD said:A falling £ boosts the domestic British tourist industry and British exports, especially outside the EU where tariffs will be unchanged even with a No Deal Brexit.
Despite diehard Remainer whinging it is not all negative and if a technical solution can be agreed to prevent a hard border in Ireland No Deal can still be avoided.
Respect the will of the people and believe in Britain!
The British Isles will be one of the best places to live and will produce the finest wines.
Climate change may well weaken the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and push it further south as a result of the melting Greenland icecap. We may well be spared the worst climate effects, just getting higher instability. Don't plant your vinyard yet, our damp grey country may not be ready yet.
I was told to plant an olive grove in the 1990s
just as well I didnt
my sons girlfriend wants to open one in her place in France. Shes hoping it will scare the boar and the coypus,
dont rate her chances much0 -
FPT:
I don't disagree that people can find it embarrassing, I just think the level to which people allow that embarrassment to be at the forefront of concerns is misguided.Gardenwalker said:Liz Truss with an empty red binder sums up Brexit, the current state of Anglo-US relations, and indeed Liz Truss herself.
Mind you, didn’t she say there was a fortune to be made in literally bottling air?
Or was that Andrea Leadsom?
I know @kle4 disagrees, but it’s embarassing to see these no-marks out and about.0 -
It really has become about any chance to bash the UK for a lot of people here. I wish you a speedy recovery.0
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fraid soviewcode said:
I though you worked in a shower factory (possibly owned it?) Am I mixing you up with somebody else?Alanbrooke said:
really just piss off, Ive worked in the car manufacturing sector most of my life. most of what has been posted since brexit has been total bollocks spun with a political angle. If we want a car industry we have to work for it and not just indulge in the me ne freggo of the Blair years. Those shedding crocdile tears for car plants now are the same lot who told us all it wasnt important in the noughties as we had the "new economy"FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
turns out they were wrong
but I have worked in numerous sectors in manufacturing0 -
I agree. It sounds delightful and I would rather visit by choice than be forced to because I couldn't afford to go abroad.Streeter said:
In what way were we prevented from discovering again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dining on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine, prior to Brexit?HYUFD said:
There are some excellent pubs and restaurants in Pembrokeshire and as the heatwave last week showed even some sunshine.OllyT said:
As a child I spent many holiday on Gower and Pembrokeshire. My abiding memory is sitting inside all day watching the rain pouring down and inedible restaurant meals. I grant you that the food may have improvedHYUFD said:
Having a holiday in Pembrokeshire and dining on plenty of tasty Welsh lamb will be something we can all look forward to post BrexitAnorak said:Loving the "making you too poor to afford a holiday abroad is actually a good thing" takes from the more monomaniacal leavers.
No Deal Brexit will offer us all the chance to discover again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dine on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine0 -
Have they successfully rebranded Blackbird Leys as “Cowley” now? 😂Alanbrooke said:
Im still waiting toi see if anything comes of BMW loooking at the Swindon plant, given they are totally land locked in Cowley it would be a good move for them.ralphmalph said:
Mini also the market research says the customer like the made in Britain. It is why Frans Timmermans drives around Brussels in a Mini with Union Jack on the roof.Alanbrooke said:
Honda yesm Astra maybe Nissan noCasino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.
HMG should just tell PSA if they close Ellesmer Port theyll never sell another car in this country.0 -
yes but Im not sure how they would fare against a family of wild boar.Charles said:
Alpacas can beat the shit out of dogs and foxesAlanbrooke said:
yes though mostly for alapca trekkingCharles said:
Are people still doing that 😂Alanbrooke said:
No, but the farmer about half a mile away has just opened hisCharles said:
Did you invest in alpaca farming?Alanbrooke said:
lolFoxy said:
Not necessarily!Alanbrooke said:
Well not if you believe in global warming.OllyT said:
Quite. There is a reason we leg it to the continent as fast as our legs can carry us whenever the opportunity for a vacation arises!williamglenn said:
Think of all the Spaniards who'll be able to afford a dream retirement home in Skegness.OllyT said:
I doubt that many Brexiteers would see "foreigners" coming to the UK for a cheap holiday as a Brexit bonus!AndyJS said:
It must be nice for tourists to visit the UK and have an expensive meal for half the price for instance. As for British tourists, there are plenty of places to go to in the UK.HYUFD said:A falling £ boosts the domestic British tourist industry and British exports, especially outside the EU where tariffs will be unchanged even with a No Deal Brexit.
Despite diehard Remainer whinging it is not all negative and if a technical solution can be agreed to prevent a hard border in Ireland No Deal can still be avoided.
Respect the will of the people and believe in Britain!
The British Isles will be one of the best places to live and will produce the finest wines.
Climate change may well weaken the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and push it further south as a result of the melting Greenland icecap. We may well be spared the worst climate effects, just getting higher instability. Don't plant your vinyard yet, our damp grey country may not be ready yet.
I was told to plant an olive grove in the 1990s
just as well I didnt
my sons girlfriend wants to open one in her place in France. Shes hoping it will scare the boar and the coypus,
dont rate her chances much0 -
I doubt the EU would have opened discussions before A50 was triggered, and in any case a lot of the arguments are pretty manufactured as much of the logic against the WA was really either against any deal (for leavers) or against leaving at all (for remainers) which is why we have slightly more honesty now the focus is more on no deal or revoke(via referendum or not).TheKrakenAwakes said:Can someone explain why it is that we agreed a deal with the EU BEFORE we had agreed what it was the UK Parlaiment would accept.? Would it not have been better for Parliament to agree the terms on which we wanted to leave the EU before heading off to Brussels to negotiate. That way we could have delayed triggering Article 50 until that point and avoided the need for all this mess.
But it was all done pretty badly.0 -
German cars are efficient, well constructed and comfortable, but they are soulless and unattractive. Jags are made out of rust and exposed wiring, but they are (usually) pretty and occasionally beautiful.TheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.0 -
Absolute bollocks from you.Alanbrooke said:
lol, car companies are the scumbags of the world, Their executives carry their balls around in wheelbarrows and shouting in your face is just basic communication. They love to blackmail governments so frankly if you aint offering them some pain they dont respect you.
In a world with solicitors and bankers there is no way car companies are scumbags of the world.0 -
In fact any flexibility we may have shown is now countered as we are seeking to be less flexible.TheScreamingEagles said:BTW - This will be the tweet that will go atop all future Raab related and No Deal threads
https://twitter.com/fleetstreetfox/status/11557697401257123910 -
Could be fun to watchAlanbrooke said:
yes but Im not sure how they would fare against a family of wild boar.Charles said:
Alpacas can beat the shit out of dogs and foxesAlanbrooke said:
yes though mostly for alapca trekkingCharles said:
Are people still doing that 😂Alanbrooke said:
No, but the farmer about half a mile away has just opened hisCharles said:
Did you invest in alpaca farming?Alanbrooke said:
lolFoxy said:
Not necessarily!Alanbrooke said:
Well not if you believe in global warming.OllyT said:
Quite. There is a reason we leg it to the continent as fast as our legs can carry us whenever the opportunity for a vacation arises!williamglenn said:
Think of all the Spaniards who'll be able to afford a dream retirement home in Skegness.OllyT said:
I doubt that many Brexiteers would see "foreigners" coming to the UK for a cheap holiday as a Brexit bonus!AndyJS said:
It must be nice for tourists to visit the UK and have an expensive meal for half the price for instance. As for British tourists, there are plenty of places to go to in the UK.HYUFD said:A falling £ boosts the domestic British tourist industry and British exports, especially outside the EU where tariffs will be unchanged even with a No Deal Brexit.
Despite diehard Remainer whinging it is not all negative and if a technical solution can be agreed to prevent a hard border in Ireland No Deal can still be avoided.
Respect the will of the people and believe in Britain!
The British Isles will be one of the best places to live and will produce the finest wines.
Climate change may well weaken the Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Drift, and push it further south as a result of the melting Greenland icecap. We may well be spared the worst climate effects, just getting higher instability. Don't plant your vinyard yet, our damp grey country may not be ready yet.
I was told to plant an olive grove in the 1990s
just as well I didnt
my sons girlfriend wants to open one in her place in France. Shes hoping it will scare the boar and the coypus,
dont rate her chances much0 -
I think most would agree, but the history of the early development of British tourism in the late-Georgian period was related to one of the wars with France (100 years?) meaning travel to the continent was difficult. It lead to people discovering what was in their back yard.kjh said:
I agree. It sounds delightful and I would rather visit by choice than be forced to because I couldn't afford to go abroad.Streeter said:
In what way were we prevented from discovering again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dining on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine, prior to Brexit?HYUFD said:
There are some excellent pubs and restaurants in Pembrokeshire and as the heatwave last week showed even some sunshine.OllyT said:
As a child I spent many holiday on Gower and Pembrokeshire. My abiding memory is sitting inside all day watching the rain pouring down and inedible restaurant meals. I grant you that the food may have improvedHYUFD said:
Having a holiday in Pembrokeshire and dining on plenty of tasty Welsh lamb will be something we can all look forward to post BrexitAnorak said:Loving the "making you too poor to afford a holiday abroad is actually a good thing" takes from the more monomaniacal leavers.
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my daughter used to teach in one of the local schools.Charles said:
Have they successfully rebranded Blackbird Leys as “Cowley” now? 😂Alanbrooke said:
Im still waiting toi see if anything comes of BMW loooking at the Swindon plant, given they are totally land locked in Cowley it would be a good move for them.ralphmalph said:
Mini also the market research says the customer like the made in Britain. It is why Frans Timmermans drives around Brussels in a Mini with Union Jack on the roof.Alanbrooke said:
Honda yesm Astra maybe Nissan noCasino_Royale said:
Jaguar is one of the few that’ll be ok as its Britishness is a fundamental part of its brand.Charles said:
I thought the US and Asia were Jaguar’s biggest markets?FF43 said:
If Jaguars are still made in the UK, you can. But there's a high chance they won't be in the medium term. Cars have economy of scale. Factories generally need to turn out hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year to be competitive. So you cover several markets with one factory, exporting the bulk. If you are hit by a 10% import tariff in your biggest markets you will want to move production to a place where you aren't.Alanbrooke said:
or you could just make the products at home
buy a Jaguiar
If the UK also imposes a similar tariff on cars, companies need to decide whether to run a smaller less efficient factory just to address UK needs or whether to take the tariff hit, as cars in the UK become more expensive.
JLR is constrained to the UK by having almost all its operations here, but would seem to be ripe for a takeover target by a company that has facilities elsewhere. It's badly losing money and the buyer can rationalise needed investment in electric propulsion etc
I can see a far bigger problem for Astra, Honda and Nissan.
HMG should just tell PSA if they close Ellesmer Port theyll never sell another car in this country.
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If the Boris honeymoon bounce canhave a real effect they should do better than anticipated, to the poin tthat selecting a crook to have an excuse to blame the defeat on someone may not have been such a good idea after all.TheScreamingEagles said:O/T - Am going to stick so money on the Tories winning Brecon & Radnorshire.
At 26s I reckon it is value.
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Tastes better even if unseasonedChris said:
The Final Answer is Freedom.nico67 said:The pound could hit just one Euro or even less and Leavers will just peddle the same guff . Just holiday in the UK.
So not only are we to lose freedom of movement we’re also now told to just suck it up and be forced to holiday in the UK.
Leavers have an answer for everything in their desperate attempts to keep polishing the Brexit turd!
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Brexit gives us freedom. The freedom from having to choose.kjh said:
I agree. It sounds delightful and I would rather visit by choice than be forced to because I couldn't afford to go abroad.Streeter said:
In what way were we prevented from discovering again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dining on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine, prior to Brexit?HYUFD said:
There are some excellent pubs and restaurants in Pembrokeshire and as the heatwave last week showed even some sunshine.OllyT said:
As a child I spent many holiday on Gower and Pembrokeshire. My abiding memory is sitting inside all day watching the rain pouring down and inedible restaurant meals. I grant you that the food may have improvedHYUFD said:
Having a holiday in Pembrokeshire and dining on plenty of tasty Welsh lamb will be something we can all look forward to post BrexitAnorak said:Loving the "making you too poor to afford a holiday abroad is actually a good thing" takes from the more monomaniacal leavers.
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Mine is a big Polo AlanAlanbrooke said:
Mercedes are for old blokes too, BMWs are for sales rep twats and Audi are for people who dont realise they;re diving a VW PoloTheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.0 -
you have a pointTheScreamingEagles said:
Absolute bollocks from you.Alanbrooke said:
lol, car companies are the scumbags of the world, Their executives carry their balls around in wheelbarrows and shouting in your face is just basic communication. They love to blackmail governments so frankly if you aint offering them some pain they dont respect you.
In a world with solicitors and bankers there is no way car companies are scumbags of the world.
could we agree on the formula "the scumbags of the manufacturing world" ?
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It clearly did transfer the power, since before they could just do it whereas now they have to ask the Commons. I don't get the quibbling over whether that is really 'meaningful' since why would they ask if the Commons would say no, what opposition would say no etc, but fact is they cannot just call one so that part looks effective.rottenborough said:
Five years seems reasonable to me. What is superior about other lengths? I recall arguments at the time about lack of work and winding up in the last year, but that's a matter of culture.
I doubt it.
In theory.
MPs being cowards has caused problems, refusing to act as their other votes clearly indicate they wish to, because it cannot be 'made' a confidence issue.
Given all the arguments over what would happen in this period, yes definitely a risk.
One for the lawyers.
All in all, I cannot see that it has been an expecially effective piece of legislation, but that just means that repealing it or revising it probably won't make much difference.0 -
Bit like buying wine , beer or anything else , you get better quality to a certain point and then it is just because you can. Anyone who cannot tell the difference in quality of cars is talking merde.noneoftheabove said:
All luxury brand cars are just people spending on image, completely fine, but deluded if they think it is to do with quality that justifies the price differentials.Alanbrooke said:
Mercedes are for old blokes too, BMWs are for sales rep twats and Audi are for people who dont realise they;re diving a VW PoloTheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
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Last week I pointed out that the logical end point of Brexit was me eating warm piss sandwiches in the rain at the top of Helvellyn whilst a rich Leaver lectured me on patriotism from a laptop in their Aspen/Alpine holiday home.HYUFD said:
There are some excellent pubs and restaurants in Pembrokeshire and as the heatwave last week showed even some sunshine.OllyT said:
As a child I spent many holiday on Gower and Pembrokeshire. My abiding memory is sitting inside all day watching the rain pouring down and inedible restaurant meals. I grant you that the food may have improvedHYUFD said:
Having a holiday in Pembrokeshire and dining on plenty of tasty Welsh lamb will be something we can all look forward to post BrexitAnorak said:Loving the "making you too poor to afford a holiday abroad is actually a good thing" takes from the more monomaniacal leavers.
No Deal Brexit will offer us all the chance to discover again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dine on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine
I really didn't expect you to get out and push...
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BBC News at Six might just as well have been a party political broadcast for the B&R LibDems and the yellow peril didn't even get a mention !!0
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It was a combination of factors. Labour support went up by 2% a week for six weeks. May's poor performance was the big issue in two of those weeks.HYUFD said:
Boris did debates in the leadership election and referendum and has been campaigning across the UK since. He is a far better campaigner than May but it was the dementia tax that cost May her majority, which Boris opposed, not stage managed appearancesglw said:
Boris will campaign like May in a general election, flitting between safe spaces, and avoiding the press and debates.williamglenn said:Fearless Boris.
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Fine if that's your choice, it's not mineHYUFD said:
There are some excellent pubs and restaurants in Pembrokeshire and as the heatwave last week showed even some sunshine.OllyT said:
As a child I spent many holiday on Gower and Pembrokeshire. My abiding memory is sitting inside all day watching the rain pouring down and inedible restaurant meals. I grant you that the food may have improvedHYUFD said:
Having a holiday in Pembrokeshire and dining on plenty of tasty Welsh lamb will be something we can all look forward to post BrexitAnorak said:Loving the "making you too poor to afford a holiday abroad is actually a good thing" takes from the more monomaniacal leavers.
No Deal Brexit will offer us all the chance to discover again the delightful British seaside resorts and countryside and dine on tasty British beef, pork and lamb maybe washed down with an English sparkling wine0 -
I don't doubt there's truth to such criticisms, but part of me wonders what exactly people are looking for people to do. Rory style walkabouts and nothing else? Only visiting places where they are hated? I genuinely am not sure where people want the line between getting out there in a real way, and rallying known supporters.glw said:
Boris will campaign like May in a general election, flitting between safe spaces, and avoiding the press and debates.williamglenn said:Fearless Boris.
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you are single handedly polluting scotland malcmalcolmg said:
Mine is a big Polo AlanAlanbrooke said:
Mercedes are for old blokes too, BMWs are for sales rep twats and Audi are for people who dont realise they;re diving a VW PoloTheScreamingEagles said:Jaguars are cars for old men.
German vehicles for me all the way, though I did have a brief fling with an Italian that I gave me fond memories.0
