I say Good luck to Jo Swindon. I like her a lot. I have seen her pop up on News programmes, being interviewed in a street somewhere unrecognisable, like a member of the public, but talking a lot of harmless sense. I can put a name to the face now. She is much like the Jeb Bush of British politics, a darn sight more palatable than the toxic options isn’t she?
Take that trolls!
Jo Swinson is of course Britain's answer to Jacinda Ardern except she had the baby before becoming prime minister whereas Jacinda became PM and then had the baby.
Though the New Zealand Conservatives, the Nationals, won more seats than Ardern's Labour Party in the last election but as they failed to win a majority Ardern ended up doing a Deal with New Zealand First, the New Zealand version of the Brexit Party.
Wow reading through some of the comments about the new Lib Dem leader it looks as if she has already ruffled feathers and produced serious anxiety into the SNP and right wing of the Blue ranks.
Yep, #Jomentum is on the roll...
Jo Swinson CV
• Warned against rises in Minimum Wage • Called for a statue to pay Tribute to Thatcher • Defended Tory Tribunal Fees • Scrapped EMA • Cut Disability Payments • Backed Bedroom Tax • Tripled Tuition Fees • Voted to bomb several Muslim Countries • Backed Austerity
Just your regular Liberal Democrat, really
Isn’t that pretty much the same list thrown at Labour's own MPs by their friends on the left?
Well it is certainly the CV of a willing Tory Little Helper! I am sure Labour will make good use of it.
No danger of it happening again, the LDs would run a mile from helping the Tories in any capacity ever again in living memory.
Whatever the truth of that , many will not be inclined to believe it!
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
I see we're at that the tiresome honeymoon stage of proclaiming that anyone who does not genuflect to the all round wonderfulness of the new leader must be running scared. Of course we've had that tedious auld bollox on PB before: Jim Murphy, Kezia Dugdale, Alistair Carmichael, Ruth Davidson, even Wullie Rennie!
At least we should be spared that with BJ since almost everyone is well aware of his manifest failings and general crapness.
Lol poor UnionDiv is getting a bit confused he mentions a string on non-entities who were elected in Holyrood; Apparently not understanding that Swinson is being elected to be UK Westminster leader.
It shouldn't be that difficult for someone apparently interested in Scottish politics - but yes I guess it is maybe a bit "complex" for you nationalist morons
Morons? Who put a feather up your no doubt ample arse?
Time for your cocoa and sedatives.
LOL - yes you are morons. And you really should know better than to mix Holyrood leaders (who nobody on PB gives a flying f about) with Westminster leaders
What's your excuse?
Yeah, right, after PB Unionists frotting themselves senseless over Ruth Davidson for the last 3 years, nobody on PB gives a flying fuck.
Away and practice your boorish inanity on someone else.
Ruth Davidson? She's the lesbo Scottish tory woman right.
I don't watch FMQs, you'll have to try your moronic schtick with someone else.
You need to calm down.
As a pro Union supporter with a large Scottish Family in the North East of Scotland you are doing the cause of the Union no good at all
I see we're at that the tiresome honeymoon stage of proclaiming that anyone who does not genuflect to the all round wonderfulness of the new leader must be running scared. Of course we've had that tedious auld bollox on PB before: Jim Murphy, Kezia Dugdale, Alistair Carmichael, Ruth Davidson, even Wullie Rennie!
At least we should be spared that with BJ since almost everyone is well aware of his manifest failings and general crapness.
Lol poor UnionDiv is getting a bit confused he mentions a string on non-entities who were elected in Holyrood; Apparently not understanding that Swinson is being elected to be UK Westminster leader.
It shouldn't be that difficult for someone apparently interested in Scottish politics - but yes I guess it is maybe a bit "complex" for you nationalist morons
Morons? Who put a feather up your no doubt ample arse?
Time for your cocoa and sedatives.
LOL - yes you are morons. And you really should know better than to mix Holyrood leaders (who nobody on PB gives a flying f about) with Westminster leaders
What's your excuse?
Yeah, right, after PB Unionists frotting themselves senseless over Ruth Davidson for the last 3 years, nobody on PB gives a flying fuck.
Away and practice your boorish inanity on someone else.
Ruth Davidson? She's the lesbo Scottish tory woman right.
I don't watch FMQs, you'll have to try your moronic schtick with someone else.
You need to calm down.
As a pro Union supporter with a large Scottish Family in the North East of Scotland you are doing the cause of the Union no good at all
Ooooooh, someone been doing their research.
Given I'm pretty much disowned by my family I would thank you not to mention them again.
If you opposed the Withdrawal Agreement and oppose No Deal you are a diehard Remainer
Nope. If you voted remain and supported the WA you are a diehard remainer.
Nope, as the Withdrawal Agreement by definition took us out of the EU as does No Deal
The ERG opposed the WA. They know what's what leaver-wise. You are a diehard remainer. Deal with it.
The ERG did not oppose the WA, not in the end. The majority of the ERG voted for the WA. We know this because while the numbers are not precise there are generally said to be around 70+ MPs in the ERG, and far fewer than that opposed it at MV3, and some of those opposed to the WA were the Grievers.
So even if the ERG know what is what, leaver-wise, I am afraid you do not. They are not monolithic in view either, and the majority do not take the view you ascribe to them.
Yeah they do. They are the leaver experts. They opposed the WA. Or did I miss its passing successfully?
Did you just ignore the entire post? The ERG is comprised of more than those who opposed the WA.
Unless you are trying to say only those who opposed the WA are true ERGers, which is nonsense, it is simple fact that plenty of ERGers, nay the majority, voted for the WA. There's no getting around that the spartans do not outnumber the rest of the ERG.
And yet here we are on the brink of an entirely ERG-defined Brexit. So the chaff and diehard remainers fell by the wayside. Great good riddance. We are on the verge of a total victory of the ERG vision.
It's good to see that the Chairman of the ERG, who voted for the WA, is either chaff or a diehard remainer.
I do not dispute that the hardest of the hardliners are in the ascendency, nor even that they are likely the most popular faction in the party, but the ERG they provably ain't. It cannot be an ERG defined Brexit when the ERG includes a majority who were content (albeit not happy) to accept a backstop including deal.
Don't fall off the head of that pin.
We are at the hardest of hard Brexits. Which was the aim of the ERG all along. Anything else is a compromise from what they really wanted which is what we have now.
Didn't you repeatedly tell us that May's deal was going to pass ?
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Hillingdon containing Uxbridge voted Leave and unless Corbyn wins an overall majority which he is miles from at the moment Boris will hold his seat.
Swinson's seat though is largely reliant on Tories tactically voting LD to stop the SNP though so much more vulnerable at the moment
I see we're at that the tiresome honeymoon stage of proclaiming that anyone who does not genuflect to the all round wonderfulness of the new leader must be running scared. Of course we've had that tedious auld bollox on PB before: Jim Murphy, Kezia Dugdale, Alistair Carmichael, Ruth Davidson, even Wullie Rennie!
At least we should be spared that with BJ since almost everyone is well aware of his manifest failings and general crapness.
Lol poor UnionDiv is getting a bit confused he mentions a string on non-entities who were elected in Holyrood; Apparently not understanding that Swinson is being elected to be UK Westminster leader.
It shouldn't be that difficult for someone apparently interested in Scottish politics - but yes I guess it is maybe a bit "complex" for you nationalist morons
Morons? Who put a feather up your no doubt ample arse?
Time for your cocoa and sedatives.
LOL - yes you are morons. And you really should know better than to mix Holyrood leaders (who nobody on PB gives a flying f about) with Westminster leaders
What's your excuse?
Yeah, right, after PB Unionists frotting themselves senseless over Ruth Davidson for the last 3 years, nobody on PB gives a flying fuck.
Away and practice your boorish inanity on someone else.
Ruth Davidson? She's the lesbo Scottish tory woman right.
I don't watch FMQs, you'll have to try your moronic schtick with someone else.
You need to calm down.
As a pro Union supporter with a large Scottish Family in the North East of Scotland you are doing the cause of the Union no good at all
Ooooooh, someone been doing their research.
Given I'm pretty much disowned by my family I would thank you not to mention them again.
I do not need to do research on all things Scots.
I was in Edinburgh City Police in 1964, got married to a Lossiemouth quine that year, have had a lifetime connection with NE Scots Fishermen and love the Scots with a passion no matter that they divide over Independence
I suggest you need to show more respect to the Scots
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Swinson’s stand on brexit will go down well with her constituency. I would also suggest that bj at much more risk which may be why he will not go for an early election.
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Swinson’s stand on brexit will go down well with her constituency. I would also suggest that bj at much more risk which may be why he will not go for an early election.
It was Tory pro Brexit voters tactically voting LD in 2017 which saw Swinson gain the seat from the SNP, if there is tactical unwind as is likely as Tories to not want to vote for a diehard Remainer party leader then Swinson may well lose to the SNP.
Given current polling Boris will hold his seat and even more so as leader when many Brexit Party voters return to the Tories
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Hillingdon containing Uxbridge voted Leave and unless Corbyn wins an overall majority which he is miles from at the moment Boris will hold his seat.
Swinson's seat though is largely reliant on Tories tactically voting LD to stop the SNP though so much more vulnerable at the moment
But the scottish tories still have their 'anti-snp' asset of Ruth Davidson. They did significantly better in scotland because of her and the anti SNP vote will still break for the LibDems in her seat.
I see we're at that the tiresome honeymoon stage of proclaiming that anyone who does not genuflect to the all round wonderfulness of the new leader must be running scared. Of course we've had that tedious auld bollox on PB before: Jim Murphy, Kezia Dugdale, Alistair Carmichael, Ruth Davidson, even Wullie Rennie!
At least we should be spared that with BJ since almost everyone is well aware of his manifest failings and general crapness.
Lol poor UnionDiv is getting a bit confused he mentions a string on non-entities who were elected in Holyrood; Apparently not understanding that Swinson is being elected to be UK Westminster leader.
It shouldn't be that difficult for someone apparently interested in Scottish politics - but yes I guess it is maybe a bit "complex" for you nationalist morons
Morons? Who put a feather up your no doubt ample arse?
Time for your cocoa and sedatives.
LOL - yes you are morons. And you really should know better than to mix Holyrood leaders (who nobody on PB gives a flying f about) with Westminster leaders
What's your excuse?
Yeah, right, after PB Unionists frotting themselves senseless over Ruth Davidson for the last 3 years, nobody on PB gives a flying fuck.
Away and practice your boorish inanity on someone else.
Ruth Davidson? She's the lesbo Scottish tory woman right.
I don't watch FMQs, you'll have to try your moronic schtick with someone else.
You need to calm down.
As a pro Union supporter with a large Scottish Family in the North East of Scotland you are doing the cause of the Union no good at all
Ooooooh, someone been doing their research.
Given I'm pretty much disowned by my family I would thank you not to mention them again.
I do not need to do research on all things Scots.
I was in Edinburgh City Police in 1964, got married to a Lossiemouth quine that year, have had a lifetime connection with NE Scots Fishermen and love the Scots with a passion no matter that they divide over Independence
I suggest you need to show more respect to the Scots
Sorry my bad - it's you with the big north east family? I think
Regardless I do indeed have a lot of respect for the Scots - being one myself; it would be a little weird if I didn't
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Swinson’s stand on brexit will go down well with her constituency. I would also suggest that bj at much more risk which may be why he will not go for an early election.
I suspect BJ will hold on. The anti-Boris vote will split between Labour and a resurgent LD (who will do particularly well in London next time out). That same resurgence will see Jo Swinson comfortably hold her seat, btw - LDs are quite as capable of taking votes from Tory remainers as they are from Labour remainers.
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
No we believe in a sovereign Britain as the majority voted for and respecting the Leave victory unlike you
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Swinson’s stand on brexit will go down well with her constituency. I would also suggest that bj at much more risk which may be why he will not go for an early election.
I suspect BJ will hold on. The anti-Boris vote will split between Labour and a resurgent LD (who will do particularly well in London next time out). That same resurgence will see Jo Swinson comfortably hold her seat, btw - LDs are quite as capable of taking votes from Tory remainers as they are from Labour remainers.
All it'd take is the brexit party to take a couple of thousand votes from him and for the lib dems allow the labour party to squeeze them in the seat. (it'd be funny if it was with a libdem style graph!)
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Hillingdon containing Uxbridge voted Leave and unless Corbyn wins an overall majority which he is miles from at the moment Boris will hold his seat.
Swinson's seat though is largely reliant on Tories tactically voting LD to stop the SNP though so much more vulnerable at the moment
But the scottish tories still have their 'anti-snp' asset of Ruth Davidson. They did significantly better in scotland because of her and the anti SNP vote will still break for the LibDems in her seat.
In 2017 the Tories vote was up 14% across Scotland on 2015 but only 6% in East Dunbartonshire due to Tories tactically voting for Swinson
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
"...But several Conservative MPs said they will regard Johnson’s first speech to the nation and cabinet appointments as a test of whether he is capable of reaching out across parliament to find a majority for a plan to leave the EU that can find approval from Eurosceptics and more moderate Brexit supporters.
If he does not, then organisation will start again in earnest to prevent him pursuing a no-deal Brexit, with some senior Tories already sending out feelers about the possibility of a “national unity” government with opposition MPs.
The rebels are prepared to give Johnson the summer to see if he can make headway towards coming to a fresh agreement with the EU that avoids no deal but will make their moves against him after that if he takes the government full tilt towards a no-deal Brexit.
One former minister said a “sizeable chunk” of the 42 Tories who voted against a no-deal Brexit last week are prepared to put their own careers on the line to stop Johnson pursuing that path – either through a legislative block on leaving the EU without a deal or a confidence vote if that proves impossible.
He said what Johnson says on the steps of Downing Street on Wednesday will be crucial as his critics within the party will be infuriated and galvanised to action if he “tries to act like he has a majority of 150” or goes down the path of “Trumpian rhetoric” that forgets the country is split on Brexit."
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Hillingdon containing Uxbridge voted Leave and unless Corbyn wins an overall majority which he is miles from at the moment Boris will hold his seat.
Swinson's seat though is largely reliant on Tories tactically voting LD to stop the SNP though so much more vulnerable at the moment
But the scottish tories still have their 'anti-snp' asset of Ruth Davidson. They did significantly better in scotland because of her and the anti SNP vote will still break for the LibDems in her seat.
In 2017 the Tories vote was up 14% across Scotland on 2015 but only 6% in East Dunbartonshire due to Tories tactically voting for Swinson
You do know things have changed dramatically since 2017
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Swinson’s stand on brexit will go down well with her constituency. I would also suggest that bj at much more risk which may be why he will not go for an early election.
I suspect BJ will hold on. The anti-Boris vote will split between Labour and a resurgent LD (who will do particularly well in London next time out). That same resurgence will see Jo Swinson comfortably hold her seat, btw - LDs are quite as capable of taking votes from Tory remainers as they are from Labour remainers.
All it'd take is the brexit party to take a couple of thousand votes from him and for the lib dems allow the labour party to squeeze them in the seat. (it'd be funny if it was with a libdem style graph!)
Can't see the LDs soft-peddling anywhere in London. It'd be very foolish if they did. They've got a real chance of capitalising big on the palpable anger at both main parties over Brexit, as the London Euro results showed..
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
This is cloud cuckooland stuff. I assume you don't run a business? As I posted several days ago I recently retired but my company was only deregistered in June and only shortly before that did I deregister for VAT. So the Govt did not know I was going to cease trading yet in the last 3 years I have received not one word on what I am supposed to do re Brexit yet it would have impacted me considerably.
"...But several Conservative MPs said they will regard Johnson’s first speech to the nation and cabinet appointments as a test of whether he is capable of reaching out across parliament to find a majority for a plan to leave the EU that can find approval from Eurosceptics and more moderate Brexit supporters.
If he does not, then organisation will start again in earnest to prevent him pursuing a no-deal Brexit, with some senior Tories already sending out feelers about the possibility of a “national unity” government with opposition MPs.
The rebels are prepared to give Johnson the summer to see if he can make headway towards coming to a fresh agreement with the EU that avoids no deal but will make their moves against him after that if he takes the government full tilt towards a no-deal Brexit.
One former minister said a “sizeable chunk” of the 42 Tories who voted against a no-deal Brexit last week are prepared to put their own careers on the line to stop Johnson pursuing that path – either through a legislative block on leaving the EU without a deal or a confidence vote if that proves impossible.
He said what Johnson says on the steps of Downing Street on Wednesday will be crucial as his critics within the party will be infuriated and galvanised to action if he “tries to act like he has a majority of 150” or goes down the path of “Trumpian rhetoric” that forgets the country is split on Brexit."
John Major and Tony Blair voting LD at the next general election?
It'd tell you all you need to know about the state of both so-called main parties if they're not even broad enough coalitions to attract the votes of their former PMs.
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
No we believe in a sovereign Britain as the majority voted for and respecting the Leave victory unlike you
It's an interesting quirk of the English language these days that when your interlocutor uses the word "respect," whether as noun or verb, it's odds on that you are dealing with a semiliterate arsehole.
Apparently HMG turned down the opportunity to join Op Sentinel with the US Navy to protect shipping in the Gulf and is instead looking to establish a European reaction force.
I don't have a take on that, but any mention of European military prompts me to segue into this footage of Belgian cadets marching.
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Hillingdon containing Uxbridge voted Leave and unless Corbyn wins an overall majority which he is miles from at the moment Boris will hold his seat.
Swinson's seat though is largely reliant on Tories tactically voting LD to stop the SNP though so much more vulnerable at the moment
But the scottish tories still have their 'anti-snp' asset of Ruth Davidson. They did significantly better in scotland because of her and the anti SNP vote will still break for the LibDems in her seat.
In 2017 the Tories vote was up 14% across Scotland on 2015 but only 6% in East Dunbartonshire due to Tories tactically voting for Swinson
You do know things have changed dramatically since 2017
Yes, the Brexit Party has taken Tory votes (the Brexit Party beat the Tories in Scotland in the European Parliament elections) and many of those voters may return to voting for a Boris led Tory Party, they will not be tactically voting for Swinson again
If you opposed the Withdrawal Agreement and oppose No Deal you are a diehard Remainer
Nope. If you voted remain and supported the WA you are a diehard remainer.
Nope, as the Withdrawal Agreement by definition took us out of the EU as does No Deal
The ERG opposed the WA. They know what's what leaver-wise. You are a diehard remainer. Deal with it.
The ERG did not oppose the WA, not in the end. The majority of the ERG voted for the WA. We know this because while the numbers are not precise there are generally said to be around 70+ MPs in the ERG, and far fewer than that opposed it at MV3, and some of those opposed to the WA were the Grievers.
So even if the ERG know what is what, leaver-wise, I am afraid you do not. They are not monolithic in view either, and the majority do not take the view you ascribe to them.
Yeah they do. They are the leaver experts. They opposed the WA. Or did I miss its passing successfully?
Did you just ignore the entire post? The ERG is comprised of more than those who opposed the WA.
Unless you are trying to say only those who opposed the WA are true ERGers, which is nonsense, it is simple fact that plenty of ERGers, nay the majority, voted for the WA. There's no getting around that the spartans do not outnumber the rest of the ERG.
And yet here we are on the brink of an entirely ERG-defined Brexit. So the chaff and diehard remainers fell by the wayside. Great good riddance. We are on the verge of a total victory of the ERG vision.
It's good to see that the Chairman of the ERG, who voted for the WA, is either chaff or a diehard remainer.
I do not dispute that the hardest of the hardliners are in the ascendency, nor even that they are likely the most popular faction in the party, but the ERG they provably ain't. It cannot be an ERG defined Brexit when the ERG includes a majority who were content (albeit not happy) to accept a backstop including deal.
Don't fall off the head of that pin.
We are at the hardest of hard Brexits. Which was the aim of the ERG all along. Anything else is a compromise from what they really wanted which is what we have now.
Didn't you repeatedly tell us that May's deal was going to pass ?
John Major and Tony Blair voting LD at the next general election?
It'd tell you all you need to know about the state of both so-called main parties if they're not even broad enough coalitions to attract the votes of their former PMs.
Mind you Bush Snr voted for Hillary in 2016 so it is not unheard of
John Major and Tony Blair voting LD at the next general election?
It'd tell you all you need to know about the state of both so-called main parties if they're not even broad enough coalitions to attract the votes of their former PMs.
Mind you Bush Snr voted for Hillary in 2016 so it is not unheard of
If you opposed the Withdrawal Agreement and oppose No Deal you are a diehard Remainer
Nope. If you voted remain and supported the WA you are a diehard remainer.
Nope, as the Withdrawal Agreement by definition took us out of the EU as does No Deal
The ERG opposed the WA. They know what's what leaver-wise. You are a diehard remainer. Deal with it.
The ERG did not oppose the WA, not in the end. The majority of the ERG voted for the WA. We know this because while the numbers are not precise there are generally said to be around 70+ MPs in the ERG, and far fewer than that opposed it at MV3, and some of those opposed to the WA were the Grievers.
So even if the ERG know what is what, leaver-wise, I am afraid you do not. They are not monolithic in view either, and the majority do not take the view you ascribe to them.
Yeah they do. They are the leaver experts. They opposed the WA. Or did I miss its passing successfully?
Did you just ignore the entire post? The ERG is comprised of more than those who opposed the WA.
Unless you are trying to say only those who opposed the WA are true ERGers, which is nonsense, it is simple fact that plenty of ERGers, nay the majority, voted for the WA. There's no getting around that the spartans do not outnumber the rest of the ERG.
And yet here we are on the brink of an entirely ERG-defined Brexit. So the chaff and diehard remainers fell by the wayside. Great good riddance. We are on the verge of a total victory of the ERG vision.
It's good to see that the Chairman of the ERG, who voted for the WA, is either chaff or a diehard remainer.
I do not dispute that the hardest of the hardliners are in the ascendency, nor even that they are likely the most popular faction in the party, but the ERG they provably ain't. It cannot be an ERG defined Brexit when the ERG includes a majority who were content (albeit not happy) to accept a backstop including deal.
Don't fall off the head of that pin.
We are at the hardest of hard Brexits. Which was the aim of the ERG all along. Anything else is a compromise from what they really wanted which is what we have now.
Didn't you repeatedly tell us that May's deal was going to pass ?
Yep. It still probably will.
Well I hope it does but if so then we will not be getting the 'hardest of hard Brexits'.
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
You have a touching belief that democratically elected political parties will prioritise the political interests of sister parties in other countries (which delivers no votes) above the political interests of their own parties in their own countries. Canada has refused to “roll over” CETA because they think they will get a much better deal with the Uk in a bilaterally negotiated treaty. And don’t even start on what America will agree to...
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Hillingdon containing Uxbridge voted Leave and unless Corbyn wins an overall majority which he is miles from at the moment Boris will hold his seat.
Swinson's seat though is largely reliant on Tories tactically voting LD to stop the SNP though so much more vulnerable at the moment
But the scottish tories still have their 'anti-snp' asset of Ruth Davidson. They did significantly better in scotland because of her and the anti SNP vote will still break for the LibDems in her seat.
In 2017 the Tories vote was up 14% across Scotland on 2015 but only 6% in East Dunbartonshire due to Tories tactically voting for Swinson
You do know things have changed dramatically since 2017
Yes, the Brexit Party has taken Tory votes (the Brexit Party beat the Tories in Scotland in the European Parliament elections) and many of those voters may return to voting for a Boris led Tory Party, they will not be tactically voting for Swinson again
You are not quoting the latest Scottish polling on the matter, for some mysterious reason?
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
This is cloud cuckooland stuff. I assume you don't run a business? As I posted several days ago I recently retired but my company was only deregistered in June and only shortly before that did I deregister for VAT. So the Govt did not know I was going to cease trading yet in the last 3 years I have received not one word on what I am supposed to do re Brexit yet it would have impacted me considerably.
I'll give you another real life example of the damage this will cause. In 1993 I was taken on to project manager a bid in Cyprus. It was the final stage head to head for 2 large US companies with European headquarters in UK. It was 3 month project in which each bidder had to build a dummy 3 office branch network and also carry out a large number of technical tests. The demonstration lasted 3 weeks at the end of the development. We won the bid. The initial deal was worth $10m with considerable add on business over the years. The maintenance contract was worth $1m / annum.
The project was a nightmare and during it we needed specialist equipment to be flown out from the UK. It got held up in customs for weeks. I know our opposition had the same issue because I chased customs everyday and on one occasion Cyprus customs got us mixed up (Unusual identical equipment at the same time so an obvious mistake).
Jump forward to now where no such customs problems exist in the EU. You now lose that business to a company located in the EU or you move your European operation to the EU. I can tell you we would have lost because we were on the edge of failure as it was.
Often, I hear the LDs scorned by tories and laborites for being uncommitted opportunists and generally wishy-washy. But, unlike the aforementioned, the LDs stance on brexit has been clear from the start. I'd like to see the Greens and LDs take over, starting with this country.
John Major and Tony Blair voting LD at the next general election?
It'd tell you all you need to know about the state of both so-called main parties if they're not even broad enough coalitions to attract the votes of their former PMs.
Mind you Bush Snr voted for Hillary in 2016 so it is not unheard of
I think you mean Bush junior (actually I think he abstained) and it makes the point beautifully
If you opposed the Withdrawal Agreement and oppose No Deal you are a diehard Remainer
Nope. If you voted remain and supported the WA you are a diehard remainer.
Nope, as the Withdrawal Agreement by definition took us out of the EU as does No Deal
The ERG opposed the WA. They know what's what leaver-wise. You are a diehard remainer. Deal with it.
even if the ERG know what is what, leaver-wise, I am afraid you do not. They are not monolithic in view either, and the majority do not take the view you ascribe to them.
Yeah they do. They are the leaver experts. They opposed the WA. Or did I miss its passing successfully?
Did you just ignore the entire post? The ERG is comprised of more than those who opposed the WA.
Unless you are trying to say only those who opposed the WA are true ERGers, which is nonsense, it is simple fact that plenty of ERGers, nay the majority, voted for the WA. There's no getting around that the spartans do not outnumber the rest of the ERG.
And yet here we are on the brink of an entirely ERG-defined Brexit. So the chaff and diehard remainers fell by the wayside. Great good riddance. We are on the verge of a total victory of the ERG vision.
It's good to see that the Chairman of the ERG, who voted for the WA, is either chaff or a diehard remainer.
I do not dispute that the hardest of the hardliners are in the ascendency, nor even that they are likely the most popular faction in the party, but the ERG they provably ain't. It cannot be an ERG defined Brexit when the ERG includes a majority who were content (albeit not happy) to accept a backstop including deal.
Don't fall off the head of that pin.
We are at the hardest of hard Brexits. Which was the aim of the ERG all along. Anything else is a compromise from what they really wanted which is what we have now.
Didn't you repeatedly tell us that May's deal was going to pass ?
Yep. It still probably will.
Well I hope it does but if so then we will not be getting the 'hardest of hard Brexits'.
Absolutely. A mere hard brexit is now the warm and cuddly escapes from a no deal brexit.
Often, I hear the LDs scorned by tories and laborites for being uncommitted opportunists and generally wishy-washy. But, unlike the aforementioned, the LDs stance on brexit has been clear from the start. I'd like to see the Greens and LDs take over, starting with this country.
‘Opportunists’... an interesting argument from a party about to select Johnson as their next leader.
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
No we believe in a sovereign Britain as the majority voted for and respecting the Leave victory unlike you
It's an interesting quirk of the English language these days that when your interlocutor uses the word "respect," whether as noun or verb, it's odds on that you are dealing with a semiliterate arsehole.
I have decided that there is no point dealing with HYUFD since he is, at least as far as I'm concerned, incapable of understanding plain English words.
These days if I have to deal with "semiliterate arseholes" I tend to ask for a lot of money to do so.
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
Interesting - the text of the Guardian article below seems suddenly to have gained a new paragraph right after the mention of tory opponents talking of a "national unity" government if he goes for no deal.
"One senior source on Johnson’s transition team said that, as the new Tory leader, he would immediately emphasise “unity” and the need to bring the party and the country back together."
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
I’m still yet to hear the reasons why HYUFD voted remain in 2016 since he seems to reject absolutely many of the main arguments put forward by the Remain campaign. I understand that he is a Tory loyalist, and even thinks that the vote must be followed through, but what does he actually believe would be best for the country?
Anyone else feeling their first tinge of political optimism, in about three years?
OK, it's just me then. But fuck it. Even if Boris is a disaster he will be amusing (and we are in a disastrous position, anyhow). Also he is smart. He will probably be the smartest, best educated leader in the western world. Which comes as a relief after the national humiliation that was Theresa May, grimacing her awkward way across the world stage, like a mildly electrocuted praying mantis.
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
You have joined the Brexit Party?
Not in a million years
Then I doubt you and he are in the same party. Mentally, he appears to have moved considerably towards the fringe
Often, I hear the LDs scorned by tories and laborites for being uncommitted opportunists and generally wishy-washy. But, unlike the aforementioned, the LDs stance on brexit has been clear from the start. I'd like to see the Greens and LDs take over, starting with this country.
Problem with the Libdems is that they’ve so much seen their salvation coming from Brexit that they are in danger of being defined as a single issue party.
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
You have joined the Brexit Party?
Not in a million years
Then I doubt you and he are in the same party. Mentally, he appears to have moved considerably towards the fringe
He has but there are many of us defending the moderate approach. (TM deal was ok)
There has to be a good chance that Jo Swinson's successor is not even in the Commons yet. Lib Dems don't usually let little matters such as losing elections affect the standing of their leaders. She may well be there for over a decade.
Swinson may well lose her seat to the SNP at the next general election, especially if Tories stop tactically voting for her, in which case the LDs will be looking for a new leader even if they make gains in England
The same could be said of BJ. if the new boundaries had been in place he'd have a seat where he didn't have a majority. He could easily lose the seat with a concerted effort by Labour
Hillingdon containing Uxbridge voted Leave and unless Corbyn wins an overall majority which he is miles from at the moment Boris will hold his seat.
Swinson's seat though is largely reliant on Tories tactically voting LD to stop the SNP though so much more vulnerable at the moment
But the scottish tories still have their 'anti-snp' asset of Ruth Davidson. They did significantly better in scotland because of her and the anti SNP vote will still break for the LibDems in her seat.
In 2017 the Tories vote was up 14% across Scotland on 2015 but only 6% in East Dunbartonshire due to Tories tactically voting for Swinson
How do you know that they were tactically voting, rather than pro-Remain, pro-Union converts to the Lib Dem cause? Is the view from Essex that clear?
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
You have joined the Brexit Party?
Not in a million years
Then I doubt you and he are in the same party. Mentally, he appears to have moved considerably towards the fringe
Anyone else feeling their first tinge of political optimism, in about three years?
OK, it's just me then. But fuck it. Even if Boris is a disaster he will be amusing (and we are in a disastrous position, anyhow). Also he is smart. He will probably be the smartest, best educated leader in the western world. Which comes as a relief after the national humiliation that was Theresa May, grimacing her awkward way across the world stage, like a mildly electrocuted praying mantis.
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
You have joined the Brexit Party?
Not in a million years
Then I doubt you and he are in the same party. Mentally, he appears to have moved considerably towards the fringe
He has but there are many of us defending the moderate approach. (TM deal was ok)
A no deal exit cuts that umbilical cord
Odd analogy.
I cut the umbilical cord for both of my daughters at their birth. No regrets.
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
You have joined the Brexit Party?
Not in a million years
Then I doubt you and he are in the same party. Mentally, he appears to have moved considerably towards the fringe
He has but there are many of us defending the moderate approach. (TM deal was ok)
A no deal exit cuts that umbilical cord
But it doesn’t stay no deal does it? It moves on from no deal to a deal not dissimilar to hard brexit, surely? So the main difference between no deal and hard brexit is a couple of months extra chaos (to a degree to be argued over) before both options result in pretty much the same destination?
Explain why I have this wrong, because all those, and I can name you, who big up no deal are in fact making hard brexit deal sound like a compromise, when actually the destination is the same.
Often, I hear the LDs scorned by tories and laborites for being uncommitted opportunists and generally wishy-washy. But, unlike the aforementioned, the LDs stance on brexit has been clear from the start. I'd like to see the Greens and LDs take over, starting with this country.
Problem with the Libdems is that they’ve so much seen their salvation coming from Brexit that they are in danger of being defined as a single issue party.
Unlike, say, The Brexit Party. Or the Tory Party even.
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
You don't get it do you. That's a real business employing people which is facing real problems which will affect their profits and those people's jobs and lives because of the insouciant indifference of the people you support who couldn't give a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
No, we give a shot about regaining sovereignty, controlling our borders and ultimately doing our own trade deals as 17 million people voted for but I know you have no interest in respecting the biggest vote in post war UK history.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
What? When the Canadians are sitting sweet like that? Able to export tariff free and slap a lucrative tax on imports? You need to listen to the increasingly ranged Liam Fox, who made the exact point today. As Trade Secretary, he is beginning to learn. How long for everyone else?
I’m still yet to hear the reasons why HYUFD voted remain in 2016 since he seems to reject absolutely many of the main arguments put forward by the Remain campaign. I understand that he is a Tory loyalist, and even thinks that the vote must be followed through, but what does he actually believe would be best for the country?
Are you wholly discounting the notion that he might be getting paid?
I vote for a set of policies not a person to be The Victor.
This is not Love Island.
'Stop Brexit': it's enough to secure my vote.
Why vote for the Lib Dems then? They're the ones who wanted a leave or remain referendum before even Cameron.
It's 2019.
Yes, less than a decade since the Lib Dems were campaigning on a manifesto of holding an EU referendum and banging on about tuition fees.
Less than a decade since the Tories were campaigning on a manifesto of “the big society” and wanting to stop banging on about Europe.
Once we've exited we can put the EU behind us in the rear view mirror and stop banging on about Europe.
Europe will remain important to us and we will eventually get a trade deal, but it will be a much smaller part of our life.
Even my most Remoanery friends have reached this stage. Acceptance and resignation, and a desire to Move On beyond Brexit (once it is done).
This is wishful thinking, among the population at large, and the polls don't support it.
What they do show is an increasingly polarised desire either to cancel, or to exit with no-deal, in order to get to the aforementioned "getting over it".
Of course the pro Brexit Conservative Party of Canada is neck and neck with Trudeau's Liberals in the polls and if their leader Andrew Scheer becomes Canadian PM that likely change a things.
Though even Trudeau has not ruled out a FTA with the UK eventually
ve a shit about the lives of ordinary people.
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
This is cloud cuckooland stuff. I assume you don't run a business? As I posted several days ago I recently retired but my company was only deregistered in June and only shortly before that did I deregister for VAT. So the Govt did not know I was going to cease trading yet in the last 3 years I have received not one word on what I am supposed to do re Brexit yet it would have impacted me considerably.
I'll give you another real life example of the damage this will cause. In 1993 I was taken on to project manager a bid in Cyprus. It was the final stage head to head for 2 large US companies with European headquarters in UK. It was 3 month project in which each bidder had to build a dummy 3 office branch network and also carry out a large number of technical tests. The demonstration lasted 3 weeks at the end of the development. We won the bid. The initial deal was worth $10m with considerable add on business over the years. The maintenance contract was worth $1m / annum.
The project was a nightmare and during it we needed specialist equipment to be flown out from the UK. It got held up in customs for weeks. I know our opposition had the same issue because I chased customs everyday and on one occasion Cyprus customs got us mixed up (Unusual identical equipment at the same time so an obvious mistake).
Jump forward to now where no such customs problems exist in the EU. You now lose that business to a company located in the EU or you move your European operation to the EU. I can tell you we would have lost because we were on the edge of failure as it was.
Since 1993 customs procedures have been liberalised dramatically and IT systems have done more to speed up the process.
Cyprus was not in the EU in 1993 so it did not have to follow harmonised EU procedures. Nowadays if they had rubbish procedures for customs you could import to another EU country first and then send on to Cyprus.
i thought it was brexiteers that lived in the past.
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
You have joined the Brexit Party?
Not in a million years
Then I doubt you and he are in the same party. Mentally, he appears to have moved considerably towards the fringe
He has but there are many of us defending the moderate approach. (TM deal was ok)
A no deal exit cuts that umbilical cord
Odd analogy.
I cut the umbilical cord for both of my daughters at their birth. No regrets.
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
You have joined the Brexit Party?
Not in a million years
Then I doubt you and he are in the same party. Mentally, he appears to have moved considerably towards the fringe
He has but there are many of us defending the moderate approach. (TM deal was ok)
A no deal exit cuts that umbilical cord
But it doesn’t stay no deal does it? It moves on from no deal to a deal not dissimilar to hard brexit, surely? So the main difference between no deal and hard brexit is a couple of months extra chaos (to a degree to be argued over) before both options result in pretty much the same destination?
Explain why I have this wrong, because all those, and I can name you, who big up no deal are in fact making hard brexit deal sound like a compromise, when actually the destination is the same.
Hang on.
I do not big up no deal, I am appalled at the economic armageddon it would cause
I’m still yet to hear the reasons why HYUFD voted remain in 2016 since he seems to reject absolutely many of the main arguments put forward by the Remain campaign. I understand that he is a Tory loyalist, and even thinks that the vote must be followed through, but what does he actually believe would be best for the country?
That, at all costs, and under all circumstances, the Conservative Party should be in power. If they promised to seize the commanding heights of the economy for the workers Soviet, he'd be cheering it on.
Often, I hear the LDs scorned by tories and laborites for being uncommitted opportunists and generally wishy-washy. But, unlike the aforementioned, the LDs stance on brexit has been clear from the start. I'd like to see the Greens and LDs take over, starting with this country.
Problem with the Libdems is that they’ve so much seen their salvation coming from Brexit that they are in danger of being defined as a single issue party.
I would like to know what the Lib Dems big retail offer to the electorate that is not B2B.
I’m still yet to hear the reasons why HYUFD voted remain in 2016 since he seems to reject absolutely many of the main arguments put forward by the Remain campaign. I understand that he is a Tory loyalist, and even thinks that the vote must be followed through, but what does he actually believe would be best for the country?
Are you wholly discounting the notion that he might be getting paid?
Well he certainly doesn’t have time to do any other paid work, he squats on here 24/7.
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
You have joined the Brexit Party?
Not in a million years
Then I doubt you and he are in the same party. Mentally, he appears to have moved considerably towards the fringe
Hey there! Good to see you back
Thanks. I only returned to join in the jollifications for the coronation of the Blond Buffoon. I imagine his acceptance speech will be remembered for decades ...
Often, I hear the LDs scorned by tories and laborites for being uncommitted opportunists and generally wishy-washy. But, unlike the aforementioned, the LDs stance on brexit has been clear from the start. I'd like to see the Greens and LDs take over, starting with this country.
Problem with the Libdems is that they’ve so much seen their salvation coming from Brexit that they are in danger of being defined as a single issue party.
Unlike, say, The Brexit Party. Or the Tory Party even.
I am perfectly happy to dismiss the Brexit Party as a single issue Party. And the current Tory party as a basket case that has forgotten what being a “party of government” under FPTP requires. When I am talking about the “ the danger” for the Lib Dem’s I am genuinely talking about them aspiring to be a party of Govt. why restrict your ambitions to preventing Brexit when there is such a gaping hole opening up as offering a sane alternative as a party of govt?
I’m still yet to hear the reasons why HYUFD voted remain in 2016 since he seems to reject absolutely many of the main arguments put forward by the Remain campaign. I understand that he is a Tory loyalist, and even thinks that the vote must be followed through, but what does he actually believe would be best for the country?
Are you wholly discounting the notion that he might be getting paid?
Well he certainly doesn’t have time to do any other paid work, he squats on here 24/7.
Maybe he's a lawyer and is posting here while billing his time to someone else
Since I have told you repeatedly what my views are and you insist on ignoring what I write, quite clearly, there is very little point in engaging with you.
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
And HYUFD and myself are in the same party would you believe but for how long is debatable
You have joined the Brexit Party?
Not in a million years
Then I doubt you and he are in the same party. Mentally, he appears to have moved considerably towards the fringe
He has but there are many of us defending the moderate approach. (TM deal was ok)
A no deal exit cuts that umbilical cord
But it doesn’t stay no deal does it? It moves on from no deal to a deal not dissimilar to hard brexit, surely? So the main difference between no deal and hard brexit is a couple of months extra chaos (to a degree to be argued over) before both options result in pretty much the same destination?
Explain why I have this wrong, because all those, and I can name you, who big up no deal are in fact making hard brexit deal sound like a compromise, when actually the destination is the same.
Hang on.
I do not big up no deal, I am appalled at the economic armageddon it would cause
My position has always been TM deal or similar
Armageddon - "a dramatic and catastrophic conflict, especially one seen as likely to destroy the world or the human race."
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Cannot see Swinson following suit
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As a pro Union supporter with a large Scottish Family in the North East of Scotland you are doing the cause of the Union no good at all
Given I'm pretty much disowned by my family I would thank you not to mention them again.
Swinson's seat though is largely reliant on Tories tactically voting LD to stop the SNP though so much more vulnerable at the moment
I was in Edinburgh City Police in 1964, got married to a Lossiemouth quine that year, have had a lifetime connection with NE Scots Fishermen and love the Scots with a passion no matter that they divide over Independence
I suggest you need to show more respect to the Scots
As I pointed out if the Canadian Tories win November's election and beat Trudeau's Liberals a Canada UK FTA will likely be fasttracked and CETA rolled over anyway
Swinson’s stand on brexit will go down well with her constituency. I would also suggest that bj at much more risk which may be why he will not go for an early election.
Anyway aren't we meant to be all environmental these days ?
So perhaps the UK shipping cheddar to Canada and Canada shipping cheddar to the UK might not be the most necessary of things.
(No "Moonraker" fans? Tough crowd...
Given current polling Boris will hold his seat and even more so as leader when many Brexit Party voters return to the Tories
Regardless I do indeed have a lot of respect for the Scots - being one myself; it would be a little weird if I didn't
You and those you support are quite prepared for others to suffer. It is utterly contemptible.
"...But several Conservative MPs said they will regard Johnson’s first speech to the nation and cabinet appointments as a test of whether he is capable of reaching out across parliament to find a majority for a plan to leave the EU that can find approval from Eurosceptics and more moderate Brexit supporters.
If he does not, then organisation will start again in earnest to prevent him pursuing a no-deal Brexit, with some senior Tories already sending out feelers about the possibility of a “national unity” government with opposition MPs.
The rebels are prepared to give Johnson the summer to see if he can make headway towards coming to a fresh agreement with the EU that avoids no deal but will make their moves against him after that if he takes the government full tilt towards a no-deal Brexit.
One former minister said a “sizeable chunk” of the 42 Tories who voted against a no-deal Brexit last week are prepared to put their own careers on the line to stop Johnson pursuing that path – either through a legislative block on leaving the EU without a deal or a confidence vote if that proves impossible.
He said what Johnson says on the steps of Downing Street on Wednesday will be crucial as his critics within the party will be infuriated and galvanised to action if he “tries to act like he has a majority of 150” or goes down the path of “Trumpian rhetoric” that forgets the country is split on Brexit."
No increase but no stealing from the mouths of starving children to increase our military
Can you guess which country is the biggest recipient of the UK's Foreign Aid spending ?
I don't have a take on that, but any mention of European military prompts me to segue into this footage of Belgian cadets marching.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jamesdeeganMC/status/1153289372126588933
Diverting it to weapons is just not a starter
We certainly need more funds for the navy, you can still provide overseas aid just not as much when it comes at the expense of defence
The next GE could be -son-tastic!
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-spending-foreign-aid/
We also give many millions to India.
Both Pakistan and India have their own nuclear weapons.
The project was a nightmare and during it we needed specialist equipment to be flown out from the UK. It got held up in customs for weeks. I know our opposition had the same issue because I chased customs everyday and on one occasion Cyprus customs got us mixed up (Unusual identical equipment at the same time so an obvious mistake).
Jump forward to now where no such customs problems exist in the EU. You now lose that business to a company located in the EU or you move your European operation to the EU. I can tell you we would have lost because we were on the edge of failure as it was.
Better value than 1/20th of a Type 45, I suspect.
These days if I have to deal with "semiliterate arseholes" I tend to ask for a lot of money to do so.
"One senior source on Johnson’s transition team said that, as the new Tory leader, he would immediately emphasise “unity” and the need to bring the party and the country back together."
OK, it's just me then. But fuck it. Even if Boris is a disaster he will be amusing (and we are in a disastrous position, anyhow). Also he is smart. He will probably be the smartest, best educated leader in the western world. Which comes as a relief after the national humiliation that was Theresa May, grimacing her awkward way across the world stage, like a mildly electrocuted praying mantis.
A no deal exit cuts that umbilical cord
Explain why I have this wrong, because all those, and I can name you, who big up no deal are in fact making hard brexit deal sound like a compromise, when actually the destination is the same.
What they do show is an increasingly polarised desire either to cancel, or to exit with no-deal, in order to get to the aforementioned "getting over it".
Cyprus was not in the EU in 1993 so it did not have to follow harmonised EU procedures. Nowadays if they had rubbish procedures for customs you could import to another EU country first and then send on to Cyprus.
i thought it was brexiteers that lived in the past.
You have Odd analogy.
I cut the umbilical cord for both of my daughters at their birth. No regrets.
It denotes separation and in no deal, no regrets
I do not big up no deal, I am appalled at the economic armageddon it would cause
My position has always been TM deal or similar
I do not have a clue and I follow politics.
Phwoar! Yes! Well! Blimey! Crikey! Err... Yes!!
Absolutely!!!!
Those ERGers they are the extremists.