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Well I would certainly rather have a Priti Patel than another Dominic Grieve at the momentrottenborough said:
I suspect that at the selection meeting she was the most rabid anti-eu, Brexit at all costs candidate and so the ageing faithful nationalistic members with their blazers and weird ties, voted for her.Mauve said:
I've seen that before and I'm still amazed. How on earth do these people become MPs? Is there really no one more sensible in the local Conservative Party willing to stand for election? And why do her constituents vote for her? What has she actually achieved or made a difference to, other than moronic grandstanding over Brexit?_Anazina_ said:
Patel’s problem is that she’s thick as pigshitJackW said:
Indeed so. Patel a fully paid up member of the hang em and flog em brigade ..... and that's just for non No Deal Tory MP's.HYUFD said:Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
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Is Gloria going a sign of an autumn election?0
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They don't really have a choice. It's not like they're longboats and the crew can schlep them over land.HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
Is she a "moderate" though? She's been in the Shadow Cabinet alongside Jezza all this time.FrancisUrquhart said:
And another moderate labourite bites the dust.rottenborough said:
By the time uncle thickie finally goes, the labour party take over will be complete.0 -
It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.Theuniondivvie said:
So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.
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HYUFD said:
The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept itCyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.
The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.0 -
Maybe. I wonder if her decision was connected to Labour getting about 10% of the vote in her constituency at the local elections this year.rottenborough said:Is Gloria going a sign of an autumn election?
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How else do you navigate from the Arabian Gulf to the Indian Ocean and Red Sea? Portage over the Empty Quarter?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me1 -
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended supported by fellow camp Boris member IDS Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
What would BXP campaign pitch be if we left on, say, March 31st? Traitor Boris kept us in for six months two long?0 -
A couple of comments:Richard_Nabavi said:
Blimey. He's a real nutjob.williamglenn said:
1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.
2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...
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35 degrees centigrade is forecast to welcome Boris Johnson as PM next Wednesday in London.0
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Hopefully Boris has been told to appoint some sensible people to positions where there's real power. Although I can imagine Patel as FS and Trump getting on quite well, which is quite a depressing thought.AndyJS said:
Just imagine — she could be Chancellor of the Exchequer on Wednesday. Or Foreign Secretary.Mauve said:
I've seen that before and I'm still amazed. How on earth do these people become MPs? Is there really no one more sensible in the local Conservative Party willing to stand for election? And why do her constituents vote for her? What has she actually achieved or made a difference to, other than moronic grandstanding over Brexit?_Anazina_ said:
Patel’s problem is that she’s thick as pigshitJackW said:
Indeed so. Patel a fully paid up member of the hang em and flog em brigade ..... and that's just for non No Deal Tory MP's.HYUFD said:Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
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Well, of course, that's today's Tory party for you. Better a thicko with no integrity and a capacity for telling lies than someone who knows what they're talking about.HYUFD said:
Well I would certainly rather have a Priti Patel than another Dominic Grieve at the momentrottenborough said:
I suspect that at the selection meeting she was the most rabid anti-eu, Brexit at all costs candidate and so the ageing faithful nationalistic members with their blazers and weird ties, voted for her.Mauve said:
I've seen that before and I'm still amazed. How on earth do these people become MPs? Is there really no one more sensible in the local Conservative Party willing to stand for election? And why do her constituents vote for her? What has she actually achieved or made a difference to, other than moronic grandstanding over Brexit?_Anazina_ said:
Patel’s problem is that she’s thick as pigshitJackW said:
Indeed so. Patel a fully paid up member of the hang em and flog em brigade ..... and that's just for non No Deal Tory MP's.HYUFD said:Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU0 -
Well the overton window has shifted so much now....where we have actual marxists and communists in positions of power in the shadow cabinet team...Ed miliband is now basically right wing now in comparison.dixiedean said:
Is she a "moderate" though? She's been in the Shadow Cabinet alongside Jezza all this time.FrancisUrquhart said:
And another moderate labourite bites the dust.rottenborough said:
By the time uncle thickie finally goes, the labour party take over will be complete.0 -
I saw Boris on Wednesday at the hustings anyway so twice in one week was probably being greedyalex. said:
It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.Theuniondivvie said:
So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.0 -
Have you personally spoken to Boris recently?HYUFD said:
I saw Boris on Wednesday at the hustings anyway so twice in one week was probably being greedyalex. said:
It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.Theuniondivvie said:
So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.0 -
That'll really resonate in 2022...alex. said:HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended supported by fellow camp Boris member IDS Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
What would BXP campaign pitch be if we left on, say, March 31st? Traitor Boris kept us in for six months two long?0 -
alex. said:HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended supported by fellow camp Boris member IDS Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
What would BXP campaign pitch be if we left on, say, March 31st? Traitor Boris kept us in for six months two long?
If there was a general election before March 31st certainly.
In any case either as Merkel suggested the EU removes the backstop from the WA and lets the PD determine Irish border arrangements thus enabling the WA to get a Commons majority as per the Brady arrangement or without a Tory majority No Deal on October 31st it will have to be and then we can deal with the new EU Commission having delivered Brexit not still stuck in the EU
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Indeed. File alongside economics, business, history, logic and international relations.Nigelb said:
Geography is not a Brexiteer strong point, and HYUFD is trying to fit in with the new model Tory party.dixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
Latin and Greek seem vital. They are strong on religion and Faith too. And by that alone we will be Saved.0 -
No comment!HYUFD said:
Well I would certainly rather have a Priti Patel than another Dominic Grieve at the momentrottenborough said:
I suspect that at the selection meeting she was the most rabid anti-eu, Brexit at all costs candidate and so the ageing faithful nationalistic members with their blazers and weird ties, voted for her.Mauve said:
I've seen that before and I'm still amazed. How on earth do these people become MPs? Is there really no one more sensible in the local Conservative Party willing to stand for election? And why do her constituents vote for her? What has she actually achieved or made a difference to, other than moronic grandstanding over Brexit?_Anazina_ said:
Patel’s problem is that she’s thick as pigshitJackW said:
Indeed so. Patel a fully paid up member of the hang em and flog em brigade ..... and that's just for non No Deal Tory MP's.HYUFD said:Patel as Home Secretary would make Michael Howard and David Blunkett look like wet liberals
https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU0 -
But he clearly couldn’t get enough of itHYUFD said:
I saw Boris on Wednesday at the hustings anyway so twice in one week was probably being greedyalex. said:
It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.Theuniondivvie said:
So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.
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How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.
It’s a sad spectacle.
I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.0 -
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
Unfortunately we’ll still be stuck with a buffoon as PM. I suppose the Tory Party might recognise his usefulness as having being outlasted and get rid of him...HYUFD said:alex. said:HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended supported by fellow camp Boris member IDS Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
What would BXP campaign pitch be if we left on, say, March 31st? Traitor Boris kept us in for six months two long?
If there was a general election before March 31st certainly.
In any case either as Merkel suggested the EU removes the backstop from the WA and lets the PD determine Irish border arrangements thus enabling the WA to get a Commons majority as per the Brady arrangement or without a Tory majority No Deal on October 31st it will have to be and then we can deal with the new EU Commission having delivered Brexit not still stuck in the EU
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He also proposed to have Theresa May killed and eaten. That's not typical behaviour of a central banker vis a vis their prime minister.rcs1000 said:
A couple of comments:Richard_Nabavi said:
Blimey. He's a real nutjob.williamglenn said:
1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.
2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...0 -
3. If/when a Corbynista becomes PM it makes it easier for them to make an overtly political appointment to the Bank of England, further eroding the independence of British institutions.rcs1000 said:
A couple of comments:Richard_Nabavi said:
Blimey. He's a real nutjob.williamglenn said:
1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.
2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...0 -
You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.Cyclefree said:HYUFD said:
The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept itCyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.
The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it0 -
Lol. I suppose there could be worse PMs than Johnson...HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
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We had quite a few actual Communists under Blair. John Reid and Mandelson to name but two.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the overton window has shifted so much now....where we have actual marxists and communists in positions of power in the shadow cabinet team...Ed miliband is now basically right wing now in comparison.dixiedean said:
Is she a "moderate" though? She's been in the Shadow Cabinet alongside Jezza all this time.FrancisUrquhart said:
And another moderate labourite bites the dust.rottenborough said:
By the time uncle thickie finally goes, the labour party take over will be complete.
Gloria gets a pass cos she scrubs up well, doesn't rant, and is a diehard Remainer (apols HYUFD). Appears as a Blairite. But to call her a moderate is something of a stretch. She's well to the left of Ed M.0 -
Gloria was initially controversial (seen as a glamorous choice parachuted in) but quickly lived it down by hard work. But all the four parties in Ashfield (which shared a ward with my old patch), including the Independents, were in my day noted for in-fighting - in amicable Broxtowe next door we used to listen to the stories with amazement. It wasn't a left-right thing, even between parties - just lots of people who couldn't stand each other. My guess is that Gloria just got tired of it.bookseller said:
This is also interesting for lots of reasons: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/105033/labour-frontbencher-gloria-de-pieros-formerrottenborough said:0 -
With a majority of less than 500 and Labour telling her leave backing voters to go to hell I guess she knows the games up!rottenborough said:0 -
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.
It’s a sad spectacle.
I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.0 -
Yes, that's a very apposite point.OblitusSumMe said:
3. If/when a Corbynista becomes PM it makes it easier for them to make an overtly political appointment to the Bank of England, further eroding the independence of British institutions.rcs1000 said:
A couple of comments:Richard_Nabavi said:
Blimey. He's a real nutjob.williamglenn said:
1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.
2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...0 -
By the time mandelson and darling got to government they couldnt have been much further from the far left, as mandy famously said he was very comfortable with people being filthy rich...and now is himself.dixiedean said:
We had quite a few actual Communists under Blair. John Reid and Mandelson to name but two.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the overton window has shifted so much now....where we have actual marxists and communists in positions of power in the shadow cabinet team...Ed miliband is now basically right wing now in comparison.dixiedean said:
Is she a "moderate" though? She's been in the Shadow Cabinet alongside Jezza all this time.FrancisUrquhart said:
And another moderate labourite bites the dust.rottenborough said:
By the time uncle thickie finally goes, the labour party take over will be complete.
Gloria gets a pass cos she scrubs up well, doesn't rant, and is a diehard Remainer (apols HYUFD). Appears as a Blairite. But to call her a moderate is something of a stretch. She's well to the left of Ed M.0 -
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me2 -
Is it true though? I dont think they will stick to conventions regardless of what the tories have or havent done.rcs1000 said:
Yes, that's a very apposite point.OblitusSumMe said:
3. If/when a Corbynista becomes PM it makes it easier for them to make an overtly political appointment to the Bank of England, further eroding the independence of British institutions.rcs1000 said:
A couple of comments:Richard_Nabavi said:
Blimey. He's a real nutjob.williamglenn said:
1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.
2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...0 -
Fucking LOL.dixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
You do realise the government doesn't have the power to make up laws like that on the fly, right?HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.
It’s a sad spectacle.
I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.0 -
I suspect this is one of the most bollx articles written in a very long time:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/19/david-davis-tipped-shock-cabinet-comeback-boris-johnson/0 -
No, surprisingly I am not on his speed dial.AndyJS said:
Have you personally spoken to Boris recently?HYUFD said:
I saw Boris on Wednesday at the hustings anyway so twice in one week was probably being greedyalex. said:
It was a very important alternative diary engagement he had to attend to. Good to know he might have considered rearranging if invited.Theuniondivvie said:
So Boris now puts it in his diary when he's allowed to come?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
Fair play, this is the new seriousness we expect from a pm presumptive.
I have personally spoken to Boris twice, once in 2008 when I was campaigning for him to be Mayor (when I very briefly met Cameron too) and once in 2017 at CCHQ. I have spoken to May once at the old Conservative Central Office when I was a student and I have shaken John Major's hand once at a 1992 election campaign stop and I spoke to Dennis Thatcher and was in a photo stood behind Margaret Thatcher at an International Young Democratic Union event in 2001.
That is as close as I have got to former or living PMs (I saw Blair once or twice in the 2001 campaign but not to speak to only to protest at)
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We might not have to wait long for the North-West Passage to open and then they can go that way.dixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
For somebody who bases their entire political outlook upon the fulfilment of an absolute majority vote in a referendum, you retain a strange attraction towards promoting outcomes on the basis of parties achieving pluralities, but not majorities of votes in election.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.
It’s a sad spectacle.
I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
Of course, independence secured only 45% of the vote in Scotland. Undeterred the only party backing the minority opinion subsequently grabbed 96% of parliamentary seats...
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The shipping lanes are heavily controlled, and go entirely through Iranian waters at one point.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE or Oman waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian waters
It's really shallow in a lot of parts, so a lot of what seems like open water isn't much use.
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Thnx for the local info.NickPalmer said:
Gloria was initially controversial (seen as a glamorous choice parachuted in) but quickly lived it down by hard work. But all the four parties in Ashfield (which shared a ward with my old patch), including the Independents, were in my day noted for in-fighting - in amicable Broxtowe next door we used to listen to the stories with amazement. It wasn't a left-right thing, even between parties - just lots of people who couldn't stand each other. My guess is that Gloria just got tired of it.bookseller said:
This is also interesting for lots of reasons: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/105033/labour-frontbencher-gloria-de-pieros-formerrottenborough said:0 -
The problem with you, and with many maritime captains, is that you don't believe enough. Frankly, if you stopped listening to experts, you'd realise that there were many ways to get your tanker into the Arabian Gulf without going near the Straits of Hormuz.OblitusSumMe said:
We might not have to wait long for the North-West Passage to open and then they can go that way.dixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessnessdixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.HYUFD said:
You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.Cyclefree said:HYUFD said:
The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept itCyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.
The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.
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It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union toowilliamglenn said:
The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.
It’s a sad spectacle.
I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.0 -
Which is my take. Plus she had another lucrative career before. Can have it again. Much less hassle. Also, Nick Palmer's inside info merely adds to that suspicion.GIN1138 said:
With a majority of less than 500 and Labour telling her leave backing voters to go to hell I guess she knows the games up!rottenborough said:0 -
Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?0
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Yes and we only had that referendum as Salmond was First Minister and the SNP won a majority, just as Cameron won a majority to enable the EU referendum the last NI Assembly elections still made the DUP largest party in NIalex. said:
For somebody who bases their entire political outlook upon the fulfilment of an absolute majority vote in a referendum, you retain a strange attraction towards promoting outcomes on the basis of parties achieving pluralities, but not majorities of votes in election.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.
It’s a sad spectacle.
I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
Of course, independence secured only 45% of the vote in Scotland. Undeterred the only party backing the minority opinion subsequently grabbed 96% of parliamentary seats...0 -
Agreed. But it is still easier to tear up conventions and shut down criticism for what you are doing if your opponents have helpfully salted the earth for you already.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is it true though? I dont think they will stick to conventions regardless of what the tories have or havent done.rcs1000 said:
Yes, that's a very apposite point.OblitusSumMe said:
3. If/when a Corbynista becomes PM it makes it easier for them to make an overtly political appointment to the Bank of England, further eroding the independence of British institutions.rcs1000 said:
A couple of comments:Richard_Nabavi said:
Blimey. He's a real nutjob.williamglenn said:
1. He's not a central banker, he's a generalist economist. That's usually a disqualification for these roles. (Until Christine Legarde that is, who is definitely not an economist.) The people sitting round the table with him at the MPC are going to know much more than he does about his job.
2. Having been the UK economist at a third tier investment bank is not some indication of being a brilliant economist. Wikipedia mentions that in 2010 he was mentioned in Bloomberg as one of the top UK economists. And if that's as good as it gets...
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Yes, you understand Brexit must be stopped at all costs despite 17 million people voting for it and a majority of votes in 2017 going to parties committed to Brexit, I knowCyclefree said:
Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.HYUFD said:
You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.Cyclefree said:HYUFD said:
The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept itCyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.
The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.0 -
Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.HYUFD said:
Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessnessdixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
people ridiculed Ed Miliand’s 34% strategy. HYUFD believes in a 26% strategy.
Sorry, 51% of leavers.1 -
Probably not. Seeing as he promised these plum jobs to several other people. Most notably Javid.alex. said:Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
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Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's in the wrong party. Modern Tories believe in Brexit, not the union.HYUFD said:
It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union toowilliamglenn said:
The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.
It’s a sad spectacle.
I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye0 -
Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?alex. said:Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
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I’m so glad I don’t live in a Con/Labour marginal (if such a thing still exists)The_Taxman said:
Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?alex. said:Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
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Are you sure that makes Labour third rate? If there is any truth in this. PM Boris v Corbyn. Pay your money, take your choice. Deputy. Watson v IDS. FS Davis v Thornberry. Cof E Patel v Mc Donnell.The_Taxman said:
Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?alex. said:Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
That doesn't look like an overwhelming Tory competence or intelligence win to me.0 -
It was 17.4 million to be precise! I would say 50 million British citizens did not vote for any Brexit...HYUFD said:
Yes, you understand Brexit must be stopped at all costs despite 17 million people voting for it and a majority of votes in 2017 going to parties committed to Brexit, I knowCyclefree said:
Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.HYUFD said:
You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.Cyclefree said:HYUFD said:
The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept itCyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.
The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.0 -
Over 46% and 48% of voters back No Deal Brexit in marginals in the North West and East Midlands in a poll today, more than back revoke or extend combinedalex. said:people ridiculed Ed Miliand’s 34% strategy. HYUFD believes in a 26% strategy.
Sorry, 51% of leavers.
https://www.politico.eu/article/poll-uk-brexit-divide-deepens-as-voters-move-to-the-extremes/0 -
Javid as Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary maybe Hunt Deputy and IDS Defence, otherwise plausiblealex. said:Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
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Indeed. Same problem as with Trump - almost nobody competent and/or sane wanted anything to do with his cabinet.The_Taxman said:
Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?
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I will not vote Tory or Labour at the moment: It has to be LD as a protest!alex. said:
I’m so glad I don’t live in a Con/Labour marginal (if such a thing still exists)The_Taxman said:
Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?alex. said:Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
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Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitableDura_Ace said:
Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.HYUFD said:
Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessnessdixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
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I've had enough of you. Once again you are putting words in my mouth.HYUFD said:
Yes, you understand Brexit must be stopped at all costs despite 17 million people voting for it and a majority of votes in 2017 going to parties committed to Brexit, I knowCyclefree said:
Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.HYUFD said:
You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.Cyclefree said:HYUFD said:
The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept itCyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.
The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.
Since you can't understand the plain English words I have used, you may as well stick to inventing what you think Boris will do.2 -
"Go and realise we will have to to leave with EU with no deal alongside the Brexit Party within a few months if they keep taking our voters and provoking them will make that inevitable"HYUFD said:
Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitableDura_Ace said:
Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.HYUFD said:
Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessnessdixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
I dont rate either side. It is a diabolic choice that plunges to the depths of degredation and is beset by failed dogma on both sides.dixiedean said:
Are you sure that makes Labour third rate? If there is any truth in this. PM Boris v Corbyn. Pay your money, take your choice. Deputy. Watson v IDS. FS Davis v Thornberry. Cof E Patel v Mc Donnell.The_Taxman said:
Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?alex. said:Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
That doesn't look like an overwhelming Tory competence or intelligence win to me.0 -
Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choicewilliamglenn said:
Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's in the wrong party. Modern Tories believe in Brexit, not the union.HYUFD said:
It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union toowilliamglenn said:
The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.
It’s a sad spectacle.
I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye0 -
And you wonder why you're not Boris' go to for Bof E governor?Cyclefree said:
I've had enough of you. Once again you are putting words in my mouth.HYUFD said:
Yes, you understand Brexit must be stopped at all costs despite 17 million people voting for it and a majority of votes in 2017 going to parties committed to Brexit, I knowCyclefree said:
Don't you ever dare again to tell me what my views are. Understood? I am well able to spell out what I think. I have done.HYUFD said:
You and most opposition MPs clearly do not, the Withdrawal Agreement Deal was there, Labour and LD MPs had 3 chances to vote for it, they refused when most Tory MPs did vote for it.Cyclefree said:HYUFD said:
The country voted Leave much as diehard Remainers still refuse to accept itCyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Don't be an utter dimwit. Really. Just try. I know the country voted leave. I have accepted it. I would like that leave to happen on the basis of the deal which the leavers told us repeatedly would be dead easy. The country didn't vote to leave without a deal just so that you and your party could willy-wave about a date imposed on Britain by the French.
The interests of the country are not the same as the interests of your party. In your response (and this is not the first time) you assume that they are one and the same. They are not, no matter how often diehard Boris fans like you repeat it.
So if No Deal is the only remaining way to get Brexit then so be it
I understand what a democracy is and, judging by what you write on here, rather better than you and those who think like you who are willing to upend Parliamentary democracy in order to get your way.
Since you can't understand the plain English words I have used, you may as well stick to inventing what you think Boris will do.
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You don't think a No Deal Brexit forces that choice?HYUFD said:
Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choicewilliamglenn said:
Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's in the wrong party. Modern Tories believe in Brexit, not the union.HYUFD said:
It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union toowilliamglenn said:
The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye0 -
We are provoking them by refusing to respect the Brexit votewilliamglenn said:
"Go and realise we will have to to leave with EU with no deal alongside the Brexit Party within a few months if they keep taking our voters and provoking them will make that inevitable"HYUFD said:
Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitableDura_Ace said:
Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.HYUFD said:
Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessnessdixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
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Tories want to force that choice.HYUFD said:
Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choicewilliamglenn said:
Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's he union.HYUFD said:
It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union toowilliamglenn said:
The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a time, not a million years ago, when HYUFD was a sensible, intelligent, one-nation centre-right moderate in the Richard N mould.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
Several years of electoral defeats when trying to win election from the good burghers of Epping have, inexplicably, turned him into a Trumpton-Boris apologist/fan boy.
It’s a sad spectacle.
I hope one day he’ll regain his critical capacities.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye0 -
No, not necessarily.williamglenn said:
You don't think a No Deal Brexit forces that choice?HYUFD said:
Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choicewilliamglenn said:
Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's in the wrong party. Modern Tories believe in Brexit, not the union.HYUFD said:
It doesn't, the Tory Party still believes in the Union and will support the majority of Protestant Unionists in NI and the 64% of Leave voters in Scotland who want to deliver Brexit and preserve the Union toowilliamglenn said:
The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about via a united Ireland? Then the UK wouldn't be a member state of the EU anymore, and the referendum mandate will have been discharged.HYUFD said:I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye
In Scotland the SNP may be in power but 52% of Scots still back the Union even with Brexit with No Deal on this Panelbase poll, if down from 55% in 2014.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-deal-brexit-pushes-scots-to-break-from-the-uk-shows-poll-5kkpfb2dv
Plus the DUP are still largest party in NI anyway and held the First Minister post until the executive was suspended and both Boris and Hunt have committed to avoid a hard border in Ireland0 -
4% profit if you think Boris will be next PM.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.1255750940 -
Opinion polls currently suggest that it is plausible that both the Conservatives and Labour have lost around half of their 2017 voters. Half.alex. said:
I’m so glad I don’t live in a Con/Labour marginal (if such a thing still exists)The_Taxman said:
Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?alex. said:Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
While that doesn't make the 2017GE results entirely irrelevant when trying to work out what will happen at the next GE it certainly suggests that there's no longer any such thing as a Con/Lab marginal.0 -
Pretty much. The actual figure is 45% with the latest polling average I think.OblitusSumMe said:
Opinion polls currently suggest that it is plausible that both the Conservatives and Labour have lost around half of their 2017 voters. Half.alex. said:
I’m so glad I don’t live in a Con/Labour marginal (if such a thing still exists)The_Taxman said:
Crikey that line up is frieghtening! What have we done to deserve the second rate Tories or third rate Labour led by Corbyn?alex. said:Johnson PM, IDS Deputy, Davis Foreign Secretary, Priti Patel Chancellor. Will Johnson get a majority of Tory MPs supporting him in a VoNC?
While that doesn't make the 2017GE results entirely irrelevant when trying to work out what will happen at the next GE it certainly suggests that there's no longer any such thing as a Con/Lab marginal.1 -
No, the Tories and DUP want Brexit and the Union. The SNP and Sinn Fein want neither.kle4 said:
Tories want to force that choice.HYUFD said:
Modern Tories want both Brexit and the Union, on a forced choice they prefer Brexit but only the SNP and Sinn Fein want to force that choicewilliamglenn said:
Yet more proof that you're really a diehard Remainer who's he union.HYUFD said:
It doesn't, the Tory Party stilhe Union toowilliamglenn said:
The DUP isn't the Conservative party. Just declare that policy of the Conservative party is to favour a united Ireland and indicate to unionists that you believe their long-term future lies with Ireland.HYUFD said:
The DUP is still largest party in Northern Ireland and most of their voters voted Leavewilliamglenn said:
How about d.HYUFD said:
I still largely am but I also recognise the biggest vote in postwar British history has to be respected by whatever means it takes to deliver it_Anazina_ said:
There was a timne day he’ll regain his critical capacities.Cyclefree said:
And of course for you and Boris and Raab the party is more important than the country, isn't it?HYUFD said:
The EU can offer what it wants but as Dominic Raab correctly said tonight at a dinner I attended Boris will not allow any further extension as the party will be obliterated by the Brexit Party if we do not leave on October 31stRichard_Nabavi said:I think it would be kind to make sure @HYUFD doesn't see this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/brussels-to-offer-boris-johnson-extension-on-no-deal-brexit
Or this:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/19/johnson-likely-avoid-immediate-confidence-vote-if-pm
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/18/most-conservative-members-would-see-party-destroye
According to Curtice while 51% of Remainers in Scotland now back Yes, 64% of Scottish Leavers still back No and the latter constitute the majority of Scottish Tory and Scottish Brexit Party voters.
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2019/07/could-brexit-yet-undermine-the-future-of-the-british-state/.
In Northern Ireland 7/10 DUP constituencies voted Leave
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Have you signed up yet?HYUFD said:
Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitableDura_Ace said:
Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.HYUFD said:
Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessnessdixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1152218470161031170
Not that it will happen anyway but would be happy for a leadership challenge.0 -
Cape of Good Hope? Are you Dominic Raab in disguise?HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
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If Iran is capturing tankers flying the UK flag then obviously those who have signed up for the military may well be involved at least in air strikes as a minimum on Iran, maybe with submarine launched missiles ordered by PM Boris probably aided by President Trump, especially if they have been captured in what are supposed to be international waters.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Have you signed up yet?HYUFD said:
Go and realise we will have to go to war with Iran alongside the USA within a few months if they keep taking our oil tankers and provoking them will make that inevitableDura_Ace said:
Go and look at a map. A real one, not one Grayling or Raab drew in crayon on a Little Chef menu. Then realise what absolute shit you are spouting.HYUFD said:
Well it is either that or we risk going to war with Iran within the next month or two because of their recklessnessdixiedean said:
So they avoid the Straits of Hormuz by going around the Cape of Good Hope? They could link up with the Ullapool Inverness ferry there I suppose.HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
72% of Corbyn 2016 voters and 74% of Labour members who voted Labour in the European Parliament elections are still happy with him, the party remains a Corbynite party even if 87% of Owen Smith supporters and 85% of Labour members who voted LD in the European Parliament elections think he is doing badlyTheJezziah said:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1152218470161031170
Not that it will happen anyway but would be happy for a leadership challenge.1 -
I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me
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With his party comfortably leading the polls, Salvini threatens to withdraw from the governing coalition and force an autumn general election in Italy after Five Star backed Von der Leyen as EU Commission President and unless Five Star backs tax cuts and more powers for the regions
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-19/all-of-italy-is-waiting-for-salvini-to-decide-about-snap-vote0 -
Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the StraitsDougSeal said:
I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
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Yeah. That always works.HYUFD said:
Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the StraitsDougSeal said:
I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
Or we could give them their tanker back.HYUFD said:
Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the StraitsDougSeal said:
I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
Which we will if proved it was not carrying oil to the Syrian regimeDura_Ace said:
Or we could give them their tanker back.HYUFD said:
Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the StraitsDougSeal said:
I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
Of course, as is well known, whenever you capitulate to a bully, the bullying always stops.DougSeal said:
Yeah. That always works.HYUFD said:
Well if you are insistent that is the only way to do it, war with Iran or at least air and missile strikes it will have to be to ensure free passage through the StraitsDougSeal said:
I’m guessing we’ve all been looking at this map made by Diehard Remainers peddling Project Fear and of we only had more confidence in ourselves we could jolly well drag those oil tankers across the Arabian Desert using our buccaneering spirit!HYUFD said:
If it could not go through Oman or UAE waters (which it almost certainly could) it should not go at all, assuming this tanker is ultimately released if I were Boris I would ban tankers with UK flags from going through Iranian waters in the Straits for the foreseeable future otherwise a £50 to £100 million fine from the British government for having to get their release. If they even have to go around the Cape of Good Hope so be itDura_Ace said:
The navigable section of the SoH is only 2km wide. There's no choice of passage.HYUFD said:
Not solely from Iran and the tanker should have stayed firmly in UAE waters if it had to go through the Strait of Hormuz tonight not gone anywhere near Iranian watersdixiedean said:
You are aware where oil comes from?HYUFD said:
Yes, Boris had to attend to other matters tonight, although he might have come had his diary allowed as he is almost certainly now PM elect and this time next week will likely be in No 10 if this affair continues.rottenborough said:
Though why any tankers are stupid enough to go anywhere near Iranian waters at the moment is beyond me0 -
If Boris rolls the Dice with an Out at any cost pledge and wins a General Election Corbyn is toast .If Corbyn fails to win extra seats in any general election he is toast .An Et Tu (you choose the knifeman) moment and Corbyn is toast .5/2 three chances looks a sporting wager .0
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