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Yes, you are a gentleman and generally a sensible fellow.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It wont come from this oneJosiasJessop said:I have to feel sorry for Darroch: he has been let down by his own side.
I've repeatedly said that I can't vote for a Conservative Party led by Boris, and have given a number of reasons. His handling of this situation is just another brick in a mighty wall of evidence.
I won't be alone.
(Cue so-called 'Conservatives' saying: "We don't need your vote!")
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Thank you - I do try to beJosiasJessop said:
Yes, you are a gentleman and generally a sensible fellow.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It wont come from this oneJosiasJessop said:I have to feel sorry for Darroch: he has been let down by his own side.
I've repeatedly said that I can't vote for a Conservative Party led by Boris, and have given a number of reasons. His handling of this situation is just another brick in a mighty wall of evidence.
I won't be alone.
(Cue so-called 'Conservatives' saying: "We don't need your vote!")0 -
If there was ever any doubt just how shit BoZo will be as PM, I agree with Nicola...
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Smart ideaScott_P said:0 -
Craig Murray would dispute your first statement:TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/07/kim-darroch-the-simple-explanation/0 -
Salisbury was an ultra and won more elections than Heath, even Stanley won most seats in 1847 and 1852.Charles said:
So they were in power for 40% of that time?HYUFD said:
From 1965 to 1975 Heathites lost 3 out of 4 general elections, it took Thatcher to win the next 3 on the trot.Charles said:
But you are trying to slam the door behind himHYUFD said:
Richard Navabi has already said he will vote LD if Boris does No Deal as a last resort to.implement Brexit, I did not open the way to leaving the party, he didCharles said:
Stop this BS @HYUFDHYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look as though a couple of tweets from Trump are enough to cause the UK to jump to attention and do whatever he says - is the fault of Boris Johnson.
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
A prospective candidate should not be spending their time trying to chase voters away from the party
The essence of the Tory Party is that it embraces three tribes. That’s why it has been successful in the past. Every 80 years or so the zealots (usually the Ditchers) try to take over and there is a lengthy period in opposition
Don’t be part of that mistake
Given the majority of the country's voters and the vast majority of Tories voted Leave it is failing to respect that decision and implement it Deal or No Deal that will really cost the Tories
And from 1951-1964. Shall we agree that 17/24 years is not that bad a result?
Thatcher was a Radical, not an Ultra. The support of the likes of Whitelaw and Hailsham was a key part of her coalition.
The 2 worst defeats for the Tories since the 1832 Great Reform Act came in 1906 under Balfour and 1997 under Major came under non ultra leaders0 -
Gove doesn't back a No Deal Brexit.HYUFD said:
Both opposed Boris, neither will play a big part in his Government.williamglenn said:
What do you think about Michael Gove's, and now Liam Fox's, less 'optimistic' views about Brexit?HYUFD said:The problem with Whitehall is 95% are Remainers who see Brexit as a damage limitation exercise at best, as did May.
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A rather more sensible attitude than those who think there are no limits to the damage which must be accepted in order to implement their own particular view of it.HYUFD said:The problem with Whitehall is 95% are Remainers who see Brexit as a damage limitation exercise at best, as did May.
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I am criticising you not BorisHYUFD said:
Boris' domestic message is not dissimilar to Disraeli's, he is just not an EUphileCharles said:
This might helpHYUFD said:
What is a 'One Nation' Tory anyway? The term was originally coined by Disraeli who supported the Corn Laws and tariffs and strongly supported the British Empire with some paternalistic domestic policies. It is not just another term for diehard Remainersrural_voter said:
It appears from the outside that the Tory party has ceased to be a One Nation Party. If the One Nation wing would support PR, a separate party in the long run would give them more influence than they currently have, given where the votes go in countries which have PR.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give it a restHYUFD said:
Richard Navabi has already said he will vote LD if Boris does No Deal as a last resort to.implement Brexit, I did not open the way to leaving the party, he didCharles said:
Stop this BS @HYUFDHYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
A prospective candidate should not be spending their time trying to chase voters away from the party
Some political figures, however, have always worked for whoever pays them the most and gives them the most power, so their opinions are entirely flexible: 'Good morning, how nice to see you. What views would you like today?' We seem to see that on PB.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(novel)
It’s essentially Disraeli’s move to reposition his party from the Ultras to the Whiggish tradition of paternalism and philanthropy0 -
Over revoke he doeswilliamglenn said:
Gove doesn't back a No Deal Brexit.HYUFD said:
Both opposed Boris, neither will play a big part in his Government.williamglenn said:
What do you think about Michael Gove's, and now Liam Fox's, less 'optimistic' views about Brexit?HYUFD said:The problem with Whitehall is 95% are Remainers who see Brexit as a damage limitation exercise at best, as did May.
However they still backed Brexit and still do0 -
My wife won’t vote, although I would have to exercise the right for her unfortunately, because her ballot has gone to a defunct email address who’s recovery email addresses are also defunct.IanB2 said:
A tad. Although as of today 2/3rds of members haven't votedmarke09 said:BBC Two having a hustings debate between Lib Dem candidates on Friday July 19 - bit late is it not
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Given that Darroch was due to leave in a few months anyway, it seems entirely reasonable to see this leak as not just an attack on him, but a deliberate shot across of the bows of the entire civil service by the Brexiteers: “do not f*ck with us, or we will throw you under the bus faster than you can blink” is the message & I imagine it’s being heard loud and clear.Scott_P said:
Whether that will mean that the Brexiteers actually get what they want is another question entirely of course.0 -
What's new?Charles said:
I am criticising you not BorisHYUFD said:
Boris' domestic message is not dissimilar to Disraeli's, he is just not an EUphileCharles said:
This might helpHYUFD said:
What is a 'One Nation' Tory anyway? The term was originally coined by Disraeli who supported the Corn Laws and tariffs and strongly supported the British Empire with some paternalistic domestic policies. It is not just another term for diehard Remainersrural_voter said:
It appears from the outside that the Tory party has ceased to be a One Nation Party. If the One Nation wing would support PR, a separate party in the long run would give them more influence than they currently have, given where the votes go in countries which have PR.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give it a restHYUFD said:
Richard Navabi has already said he will vote LD if Boris does No Deal as a last resort to.implement Brexit, I did not open the way to leaving the party, he didCharles said:
Stop this BS @HYUFDHYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves and should have expected. However, I'm sure it's also the case that the timing - which makes it look
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
A prospective candidate should not be spending their time trying to chase voters away from the party
Some political figures, however, have always worked for whoever pays them the most and gives them the most power, so their opinions are entirely flexible: 'Good morning, how nice to see you. What views would you like today?' We seem to see that on PB.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(novel)
It’s essentially Disraeli’s move to reposition his party from the Ultras to the Whiggish tradition of paternalism and philanthropy0 -
I’m criticising you not BorisHYUFD said:
Boris' domestic message is not dissimilar to Disraeli's, he is just not an EUphileCharles said:
This might helpHYUFD said:
What is a 'One Nation' Tory anyway? The term was originally coined by Disraeli who supported the Corn Laws and tariffs and strongly supported the British Empire with some paternalistic domestic policies. It is not just another term for diehard Remainersrural_voter said:
It appears from the outside that the Tory party has ceased to be a One Nation Party. If the One Nation wing would support PR, a separate party in the long run would give them more influence than they currently have, given where the votes go in countries which have PR.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Give it a restHYUFD said:
Richard Navabi has already said he will vote LD if Boris does No Deal as a last resort to.implement Brexit, I did not open the way to leaving the party, he didCharles said:
Stop this BS @HYUFDHYUFD said:
Richard is now a LD whose main priority is refusing to implement the Brexit vote the majority voted for.SouthamObserver said:
Richard is a patriot. You support a football team.HYUFD said:
Well as you will be voting LD if Boris wins anyway will he really be that bothered if you think his premiership is awful?Richard_Nabavi said:It's probably fair to say that Sir Kim's position had become untenable even without Boris and others failing to give him the support he deserves
This affair, the brain-dead commitment to October 31st, and the quite extraordinary refusal to rule out treating parliament in the manner of Charles 1st, should be enough to dash any lingering hopes that Boris might not be quite as unsuitable to be PM as he seemed. Looks like he'll be even worse than one would have feared.
A prospective candidate should not be spending their time trying to chase voters away from the party
Some political figures, however, have always worked for whoever pays them the most and gives them the most power, so their opinions are entirely flexible: 'Good morning, how nice to see you. What views would you like today?' We seem to see that on PB.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(novel)
It’s essentially Disraeli’s move to reposition his party from the Ultras to the Whiggish tradition of paternalism and philanthropy0 -
New Zealand have bowled 11 wides today. Could prove to be crucial.-1
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PB tip dont quote Craig Muuray!sarissa said:
Craig Murray would dispute your first statement:TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/07/kim-darroch-the-simple-explanation/0 -
Afternoon all
Rare I agree with Boris Johnson but his remarks from what looked like a boozer somewhere in London were quite valid.
I suspect every ambassador from every country routinely sends back to their home Government the kind of communications Kim Darroch sent. It is an integral part of their job and a form of covert intelligence gathering that is a part of what diplomacy is and what diplomats do.
Getting a sense of how each Government operates outside the protocols of inter-Governmental business is of huge value to any Government in its international relations. I suspect it is something at which the FCO has been very good in times past.
I also agree with Boris whomsoever leaked the communications needs to be found and properly prosecuted to the full extent of the law.1 -
No and yesedmundintokyo said:
There's a year between challenges, is there also a year between initial election and the first challenge or can 15% of MPs have a run at him straight away?TGOHF said:
Boris is going to be on a 100 day trial appointment until 1st November.dixiedean said:Boris does not seem to be spreading a light-hearted optimism around a substantial section of the Tory Party.
If we aren't out of the EU then he will be on the way out.0 -
Have you spoken to him personally. He is petrified of the impact it will have on farming...HYUFD said:
Over revoke he doeswilliamglenn said:
Gove doesn't back a No Deal Brexit.HYUFD said:
Both opposed Boris, neither will play a big part in his Government.williamglenn said:
What do you think about Michael Gove's, and now Liam Fox's, less 'optimistic' views about Brexit?HYUFD said:The problem with Whitehall is 95% are Remainers who see Brexit as a damage limitation exercise at best, as did May.
However they still backed Brexit and still do0 -
Is the pendulum swinging back towards India ?0
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That’s probably good news for TSE, if anything.sarissa said:
Craig Murray would dispute your first statement:TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/07/kim-darroch-the-simple-explanation/0 -
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There's never been a journalist arrest for the current Official Secrets Act, so it would have to be some kind of other criminal act.AlastairMeeks said:
That rather depends what the journalist had done.RobD said:
I'd be hesitant to convict a journalist. It's the leaker that should be made to regret ever waking up that fateful morning that they leaked it.AlastairMeeks said:
There's an interesting question whether Isabel Oakeshott herself might have committed the procuring offence.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Maximum sentence for that particular offence is life imprisonment, by the way. Doubt it'd be near that level, but it is plainly a serious one and, if it ever comes to sentencing, the defendant would be well advised to pack a toothbrush and a very long book.AlastairMeeks said:
It may depend who did it. It seems likely that someone or other has either committed misconduct in public office or has procured misconduct in public office.AndyJS said:
Is it a criminal offence to leak information like this?Philip_Thompson said:The idea being propagated by Remainers especially that Trump or an ally of Trump was behind the leak is utterly absurd. The leak was extremely embarrassing for Trump which is why he was so furious.
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I suspect the same thing would have played out regardless of Brexit.Scott_P said:0 -
ThanksIanB2 said:
No and yesedmundintokyo said:
There's a year between challenges, is there also a year between initial election and the first challenge or can 15% of MPs have a run at him straight away?TGOHF said:
Boris is going to be on a 100 day trial appointment until 1st November.dixiedean said:Boris does not seem to be spreading a light-hearted optimism around a substantial section of the Tory Party.
If we aren't out of the EU then he will be on the way out.0 -
I think an email ballot has many weaknesses, including that one. Emails are easier to ignore or forget about. But it is of course much cheaper.nichomar said:
My wife won’t vote, although I would have to exercise the right for her unfortunately, because her ballot has gone to a defunct email address who’s recovery email addresses are also defunct.IanB2 said:
A tad. Although as of today 2/3rds of members haven't votedmarke09 said:BBC Two having a hustings debate between Lib Dem candidates on Friday July 19 - bit late is it not
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Being frozen out was the final straw. Which doesn’t depend at all on Brexit.tlg86 said:1 -
One of the effects of this leak will be that people (i.e. sources) will be slightly more reluctant to talk to British officials, lest it get released.0
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It certainly hasn't helped them so far. On the contrary.Phil said:
Given that Darroch was due to leave in a few months anyway, it seems entirely reasonable to see this leak as not just an attack on him, but a deliberate shot across of the bows of the entire civil service by the Brexiteers: “do not f*ck with us, or we will throw you under the bus faster than you can blink” is the message & I imagine it’s being heard loud and clear.Scott_P said:
Whether that will mean that the Brexiteers actually get what they want is another question entirely of course.0 -
Again, what’s the causal relationship between the two. Brexiteers want to be in Trump’s good books!Nigelb said:
Without Brexit, the leak might not have happened.RobD said:I suspect the same thing would have played out regardless of Brexit.
Should the leaker be uncovered, we might find out. Unless it gets quietly buried under PM Johnson.0 -
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And what better way to get into Trump's good books than to replace a sane and rational ambassador with one who is ready brown his nose on Trump?RobD said:
Again, what’s the causal relationship between the two. Brexiteers want to be in Trump’s good books!Nigelb said:
Without Brexit, the leak might not have happened.RobD said:I suspect the same thing would have played out regardless of Brexit.
Should the leaker be uncovered, we might find out. Unless it gets quietly buried under PM Johnson.
This is particularly important given that we might well be soon negotiating some important trade deals with the US.0 -
It's depressing when you consider that all of the people who worked at Bletchley Park kept everything secret for more than 30 years until the work there during the war was officially made public in the 1970s.JosiasJessop said:One of the effects of this leak will be that people (i.e. sources) will be slightly more reluctant to talk to British officials, lest it get released.
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Go get ‘em Emily.Scott_P said:0 -
How on earth do you know?HYUFD said:
What has Woody Johnson said negative about May or Khan? Nothing, he has been a model of diplomacyOllyT said:
Perhaps we should freeze out the US Ambassador following the comments he has made quite publicly about our Prime Minister and the Mayor of London.Philip_Thompson said:
His tenure was ending soon anyway and Trunp had already frozen him out.rottenborough said:
This is an absolute disgrace.Scott_P said:
I hope all Tory members who are merrily voting for Boris can live with themselves.
Whoever leaked should be in jail but realistically the moment this was published he was doomed. He should have fallen on his sword days ago.
If you can't see that we are just giving in to an overgrown baby and bully to boot then you are entirely missing the point. This is a glimpse of our future after Brexit with Johnson playing Trump's poodle. Any trade deal will be what Trump decides it will be and if we argue he'll throw another tantrum
His comments haven’t been leaked.
If he hasn’t had some uncomplimentary things to say about the U.K. government he isn’t doing his job.0 -
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Fun contest, though.AndyJS said:Not good enough from NZ.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/48923852
Could go to the last over.0 -
Does that mean they've scrapped the street race in (or within 50 miles of) London?Morris_Dancer said:F1: new five year deal for Silverstone:
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Patience, he is not in yet. Once he is, the morale of not just the Conservative Party but the country as a whole (apart from Glasgow and Liverpool) is going to receive a welcome boost. The jokes, the witty metaphors, the aphorisms, sometimes in Latin, will flow from despatch box, lecturn and TV studio alike. A nation will chuckle along, relieved to be free of the miserabilist 'no can't do' politics of recent years. Corbyn will be left for dead and the EU will be essentially laughed into dropping the backstop. This, mark my words, is the future which awaits us.dixiedean said:Boris does not seem to be spreading a light-hearted optimism around a substantial section of the Tory Party.
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A Boris administration would be inept, insecure and incompetent! Sad!0
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Can I have some of what you’re smoking?kinabalu said:
Patience, he is not in yet. Once he is, the morale of not just the Conservative Party but the country as a whole (apart from Glasgow and Liverpool) is going to receive a welcome boost. The jokes, the witty metaphors, the aphorisms, sometimes in Latin, will flow from despatch box, lecturn and TV studio alike. A nation will chuckle along, relieved to be free of the miserabilist 'no can't do' politics of recent years. Corbyn will be left for dead and the EU will be essentially laughed into dropping the backstop. This, mark my words, is the future which awaits us.dixiedean said:Boris does not seem to be spreading a light-hearted optimism around a substantial section of the Tory Party.
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Mr. JohnL, not sure.
But there's a limit to the size of the calendar and they're already over-egging things. If they went for a shit identikit city circuit and Silverstone suffered, Liberty would not endear itself to the fans.0 -
Certainly is.Nigelb said:
Fun contest, though.AndyJS said:Not good enough from NZ.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/48923852
Could go to the last over.0 -
What a game of cricket this is0
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Latest yougov if BJ is PM:
Con 23%
LibDem 23%
BXP 21%
Lab 17%0 -
I think (hope) he’s taking the MichaelStreeter said:
Can I have some of what you’re smoking?kinabalu said:
Patience, he is not in yet. Once he is, the morale of not just the Conservative Party but the country as a whole (apart from Glasgow and Liverpool) is going to receive a welcome boost. The jokes, the witty metaphors, the aphorisms, sometimes in Latin, will flow from despatch box, lecturn and TV studio alike. A nation will chuckle along, relieved to be free of the miserabilist 'no can't do' politics of recent years. Corbyn will be left for dead and the EU will be essentially laughed into dropping the backstop. This, mark my words, is the future which awaits us.dixiedean said:Boris does not seem to be spreading a light-hearted optimism around a substantial section of the Tory Party.
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That doesn't look like the landslide HYUFD has promised us.IanB2 said:Latest yougov if BJ is PM:
Con 23%
LibDem 23%
BXP 21%
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Is there an adequate reason why Yougov seems to be the outlier in all these polls? I'm looking at @BritainElects and everyone else puts Lab ahead. Is it just by adding the hypothetical "if BJ is PM"?williamglenn said:
That doesn't look like the landslide HYUFD has promised us.IanB2 said:Latest yougov if BJ is PM:
Con 23%
LibDem 23%
BXP 21%
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You would say that as a diehard remainer.williamglenn said:
That doesn't look like the landslide HYUFD has promised us.IanB2 said:Latest yougov if BJ is PM:
Con 23%
LibDem 23%
BXP 21%
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Great fun watching the Remainer Establishment rallying around the loser Darroch. Imagine if they had put this much effort into winning the Referendum.....Scott_P said:0 -
But only a diehard Johnsonite would deny it.Gallowgate said:
You would say that as a diehard remainer.williamglenn said:
That doesn't look like the landslide HYUFD has promised us.IanB2 said:Latest yougov if BJ is PM:
Con 23%
LibDem 23%
BXP 21%
Lab 17%0 -
Boris Johnson is not fit to be PM. He is a disgrace.0
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Could they have seen off The Bus?MarqueeMark said:
Great fun watching the Remainer Establishment rallying around the loser Darroch. Imagine if they had put this much effort into winning the Referendum.....Scott_P said:0 -
Well it did get to the last over....AndyJS said:
Certainly is.Nigelb said:
Fun contest, though.AndyJS said:Not good enough from NZ.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/48923852
Could go to the last over.0 -
Dhoni is going to get a lot of grief for this.0
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On topic he is of course correct and has done the right thing by his country.1
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This really has the potential to damage Boris further among the public. Being seen as Bush's poodle was hugely damaging to Blair's reputation, and the image is now set that Boris will be Trump's bichon frise. Trump is only getting more unpopular among the public, particularly with his attacks on May (a lot of people see it as OK for us to criticise her but not foreign leaders).
Emily Thronberry's comments are exactly the kind of response needed by Labour, got to tackle Boris hard. A few more scare stories about Boris selling the NHS to Trump and how our food supply will be poisoned by chlorinated chicken, and Boris will be in real trouble in an election even without factoring in the state of Brexit.0 -
Well done Kiwis0
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Great sadness watching those who consider themselves more patriotic than the rest of us establishing once and for all that their interests are aligned with foreign powers including malign influences like Putin and Trump and not the UK.MarqueeMark said:
Great fun watching the Remainer Establishment rallying around the loser Darroch. Imagine if they had put this much effort into winning the Referendum.....Scott_P said:1 -
Absolutely.Big_G_NorthWales said:Well done Kiwis
A surprising result given the way they had played up until now.
Tomorrow's match will be the big one. Though the weather forecast is a bit iffy.0 -
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And backing the Etonian and US billionaire over the British guy from a council estatenoneoftheabove said:
Great sadness watching those who consider themselves more patriotic than the rest of us establishing once and for all that their interests are aligned with foreign powers including malign influences like Putin and Trump and not the UK.MarqueeMark said:
Great fun watching the Remainer Establishment rallying around the loser Darroch. Imagine if they had put this much effort into winning the Referendum.....Scott_P said:0 -
Afternoon, DonaldMarqueeMark said:
Great fun watching the Remainer Establishment rallying around the loser Darroch. Imagine if they had put this much effort into winning the Referendum.....Scott_P said: 0 -
... and Trump wants someone different as ambassador.RobD said:
Again, what’s the causal relationship between the two. Brexiteers want to be in Trump’s good books!Nigelb said:
Without Brexit, the leak might not have happened.RobD said:I suspect the same thing would have played out regardless of Brexit.
Should the leaker be uncovered, we might find out. Unless it gets quietly buried under PM Johnson.0 -
Mr. P, that's a broad brush of 'Brexiteer'.
Many of those who voted to Leave think Boris' approach to this has been lamentable.0 -
Agreed.noneoftheabove said:
Great sadness watching those who consider themselves more patriotic than the rest of us establishing once and for all that their interests are aligned with foreign powers including malign influences like Putin and Trump and not the UK.MarqueeMark said:
Great fun watching the Remainer Establishment rallying around the loser Darroch. Imagine if they had put this much effort into winning the Referendum.....Scott_P said:
And pretty cheap to call one of our diplomats, shafted by an unprincipled leaker, a loser.0 -
Big shout out to Matt Hancock
The only politicians who has managed to come out of this latest fiasco looking worse than BoZo.
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Yes this plays well for Labour. They should disparage Trump at every opportunity. The contrast with the inevitable grovelling to him by a Johnson government and by the Brexit Party will be a net vote winner.Paristonda said:This really has the potential to damage Boris further among the public. Being seen as Bush's poodle was hugely damaging to Blair's reputation, and the image is now set that Boris will be Trump's bichon frise. Trump is only getting more unpopular among the public, particularly with his attacks on May (a lot of people see it as OK for us to criticise her but not foreign leaders).
Emily Thronberry's comments are exactly the kind of response needed by Labour, got to tackle Boris hard. A few more scare stories about Boris selling the NHS to Trump and how our food supply will be poisoned by chlorinated chicken, and Boris will be in real trouble in an election even without factoring in the state of Brexit.0 -
Didn't Sir (Nigel) Kim have a memo about Trump leaked to the Times in Nov 2016?
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-memo-president-britain-planning-to-exploit-is-inexperience-a7414526.htmlTrèsDifficile said:Didn't Sir (Nigel) Kim have a memo about Trump leaked to the Times in Nov 2016?
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And wasn't the main problem this time that he speculated that Trump might really actually be a Russian stooge?TrèsDifficile said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-memo-president-britain-planning-to-exploit-is-inexperience-a7414526.htmlTrèsDifficile said:Didn't Sir (Nigel) Kim have a memo about Trump leaked to the Times in Nov 2016?
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
Well said.TheScreamingEagles said:Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.
Boris Johnson is neither of those things.
Tory members voting for this man should be ashamed of themselves.0 -
I'll take it!RobD said:
As long as Labour comes last in a field of four, that's a huge win in my book!williamglenn said:
That doesn't look like the landslide HYUFD has promised us.IanB2 said:Latest yougov if BJ is PM:
Con 23%
LibDem 23%
BXP 21%
Lab 17%0 -
https://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2019/07/daniel-hannan-for-brexit-to-work-power-must-be-stripped-from-the-quangorats-and-returned-to-people-we-elect.html
"The Electoral Commission and the Information Commissioner’s Office have harassed Vote Leave campaigners. Eurosceptic donors even appear to have been targeted by the tax authorities. At the same time, senior civil servants have taken full advantage of Theresa May’s disastrous readiness to be ruled by official advice."
Hannan quite openly stating his aim of tearing apart British institutions in his latest piece.
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Is 17 the lowest ever for Labour.blueblue said:
I'll take it!RobD said:
As long as Labour comes last in a field of four, that's a huge win in my book!williamglenn said:
That doesn't look like the landslide HYUFD has promised us.IanB2 said:Latest yougov if BJ is PM:
Con 23%
LibDem 23%
BXP 21%
Lab 17%0 -
BoZo's disgraceful bum licking of Trump over this affair is yet another piece of evidence that being in favour of Brexit does not make you a patriot. A nationalist, yes, but patriot no.0
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Today is a good day to watch the episode of The Hollowmen where the need to appoint a Foreign ambassador is discussed0
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HYUFD says things with such confidence that they must be true. All is certain in the limited imagination of the BoZo fanatic.blueblue said:
I'll take it!RobD said:
As long as Labour comes last in a field of four, that's a huge win in my book!williamglenn said:
That doesn't look like the landslide HYUFD has promised us.IanB2 said:Latest yougov if BJ is PM:
Con 23%
LibDem 23%
BXP 21%
Lab 17%0
