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Sorry, I didn't realise Tony Blair was in the conversation.ydoethur said:
No, but Lord North was.Philip_Thompson said:
May wasn't in office as PM for 12 years.ydoethur said:
No she wasn't. One, because no PM who survived twelve years in office can be considered a 'worst' PM, and two, because there at least a dozen PMs that have been far worse than May. Goderich, Portland, Melbourne, Aberdeen, Campbell-Bannerman, Eden all spring to mind without breaking a sweat.Philip_Thompson said:May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North.
What you really mean is, you don't like her and Lord North is the only other PM you've ever heard something bad about.
The rest of your post was frankly guff. If you think some indecisiveness is worse than conspiring to launch an illegal war to expropriate sovereign territory from another state, your views are not worth responding to.
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No job is too low for such a talent.Casino_Royale said:
I think that's right.ydoethur said:
Nick Palmer once said he thought Gove was the sort of person who if you made him ambassador to Outer Mongolia he would rapidly come up with lots of ideas on how to further Anglo-Mongolian relations.Casino_Royale said:
I'd be delighted if he became transport secretary.TheScreamingEagles said:Now that Hunt has made the final two if Boris wins I'd expect him to keep Hunt at the Foreign Office or move him to the Treasury.
As for Gove I'd expect Boris will make him Transport Secretary or move him to Northern Ireland.
I think this is an interesting hypothesis and it deserves testing.
It's a really positive side of him that he considers no job beneath him.
And with that, I have some marking to do. Enjoy your evening.0 -
Factoid :Boris will be the first PM since Bonar Law to go from the backbenches to Number 10.0
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The inexcusable part of my betting was blowing £120 of profit on Boris because I joined in the bedwetting over Rory Stewart.Philip_Thompson said:
Well done to everyone who has gotten out of the red with Boris recently, can't be easy I imagine when he's favourite. The 'golden rule' of laying the favourite looks a bit doomed this time.Casino_Royale said:On the betting it's Andrea Leadsom who's dug me out of the hole and the fact I got on Hunt with Skybet last year at 100/1 and 66/1.
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.0 -
Ouch, not great. Best of luck and fingers crossed it isn't as bad as initial reports.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
The skills you need to win a party leadership campaign whilst in office are very different to those you need as a leader to win elections and govern effectively.0
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Fingers crossed!IanB2 said:
Likewise. Thankfully laying JRM very heavily, and Leadsom then Rory significantly, has got my losses on Boris down to the point where I won’t mind. If I am lucky and he wobbles during the campaign, I may be able to get back to evens. Green on Hunt, so here’s hoping.Casino_Royale said:On the betting it's Andrea Leadsom who's dug me out of the hole and the fact I got on Hunt with Skybet last year at 100/1 and 66/1.
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.0 -
I didn't get that at all. Stewart was the biggest lay since Leadsom.Casino_Royale said:
The inexcusable part of my betting was blowing £120 of profit on Boris because I joined in the bedwetting over Rory Stewart.Philip_Thompson said:
Well done to everyone who has gotten out of the red with Boris recently, can't be easy I imagine when he's favourite. The 'golden rule' of laying the favourite looks a bit doomed this time.Casino_Royale said:On the betting it's Andrea Leadsom who's dug me out of the hole and the fact I got on Hunt with Skybet last year at 100/1 and 66/1.
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.
He scraped through the earlier rounds, had a very low ceiling, no real momentum and the polls showed the Tories would be annihilated if they elected him. It couldn't be Stewart.0 -
Best wishes.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
I think we're already seeing signs of how Borisphobes will justify staying within the fold. It's like watching Labour moderates under Corbyn. Hopefully he will be a better leader than Corbyn.0
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Non fans think UKIP and TBP are no different in policy, so why were the former getting 7-8% in the polls until the latter came along and started getting mid 20s?
Or why did one get 3% in the Euros and the other ten times that?0 -
If Hunt then tacked to full Leave with the competence to prove it and expose Boris in the hustings he could then still win with the members.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Boris needs to have a moment (get caught admitting he will never exit with No Deal) or gets accused by a former close ally of being really a Remainer who doesn't believe in Leave and only backed it to help with his leadership ambitions.kle4 said:
Even the people enthusiastic about Hunt don't see, that enthusiastic about him. How does he challenge Boris's tight grip on the members? Careful caution?Casino_Royale said:
I wouldn't take it for granted.Artist said:67/33 to Johnson according to the YouGov members poll from a month ago. I can't see many/any switchers.
Boris might only win 56-44 in extremis.0 -
There are lots of criticisms of May, but indecision, disorganisation, and a failure to make choices aren't foremost among them.Philip_Thompson said:
Boris needs to be decisive, organised and make choices. Something May failed to do.kle4 said:
I think you are seeing what you hope will be true. What's the easiest path for Boris to take is the key question. It's the reason May delayed over and over, and it will inform what Boris does.DavidL said:
Keeping the possibility of a no deal Brexit on the table in a vaguely credible way is key. Can he scare enough Labour MPs into supporting the deal he comes up with (which will, of course, be very similar to Mays deal) to get the deal to pass, whatever the loons in the ERG say. I am beginning to believe he can. But we shall see soon enough.kle4 said:
I really don't get this. What parts of a Tory leadership contest among MPs is goign to make a difference to passing a Brexit deal or achieving a new one?DavidL said:I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
When Britain had voted to "take back control" May said 'I'll do it' then when everyone said 'well, what are you doing?' she just ummed and ahhed. Until eventually everyone dug their own trenches around her while she continued to prevaricate.
Boris can't delay. He needs to pick a path and go for it.
If you'd said poor decision making, not realising the task of PM, and making the wrong choices, fair enough.
If anything, she was TOO decisive. She said, "I know what people have voted for. They wanted access to markets but much less immigration. So I'll get that, MPs will back it because I'm right, and that's all good." And she essentially got that deal.
What she failed to do is take people with her, which was fatal particularly after the 2017 election result.
She was also very decisive on calling the 2017 General Election - a big and disastrous decision.0 -
Crikey John.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
Oh no!!!!!!! Get better soon BJO.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
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He will be.kle4 said:I think we're already seeing signs of how Borisphobes will justify staying within the fold. It's like watching Labour moderates under Corbyn. Hopefully he will be a better leader than Corbyn.
Take Brexit out of the equation, take his clownish persona out of the equation, politically he is a very moderate MP. He is far closer to Osborne/Cameron than the extremist he gets painted as or that Corbyn really is.0 -
Could it be made up? What's the definition of 'Real Business investment'?TheScreamingEagles said:Hey Robert, you understand economics, can you explain this chart to those of who don't.
https://twitter.com/Jim_Edwards/status/1141713373652017153
TSE, you understand the world well enough to know that the chart is rubbish.
There might be a similar chart that you could draw if you did it properly. I'm sure there isn't though.
Economics broke a few years back. No-one really knows, but they've all happily kept quiet as no-one gets paid for not knowing.
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I agree he is not an extremist. But Brexit is the key.Philip_Thompson said:
He will be.kle4 said:I think we're already seeing signs of how Borisphobes will justify staying within the fold. It's like watching Labour moderates under Corbyn. Hopefully he will be a better leader than Corbyn.
Take Brexit out of the equation, take his clownish persona out of the equation, politically he is a very moderate MP. He is far closer to Osborne/Cameron than the extremist he gets painted as or that Corbyn really is.0 -
So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.0
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Blimey. BJO, that gives some perspective. All the very best.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
Yeah, there's a semblance of authority in all of this.DavidL said:I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.0 -
I hope so. I like Hunt. It would be rubbish if this damaged him.Casino_Royale said:
Maybe Hunt will surprise and land some serious punches?Jonathan said:
The point is that Hunt needs to tread carefully. A heavy defeat could be crtically damaging.matt said:
He went back to NZ and made a difference didn’t he? Ended political career, yes but arguably did more good.Jonathan said:
Bryan got just 9%. That effectively ended his career. Will Hunt top that?Foxy said:
Bryan Gould would have been an interesting leader for Labour, and if had won would have prevented Blair getting the opportunity. I always liked his style and politics, but with his sane Euroscepticism (he resigned from John Smiths front bench over Maastricht) would have taken Labour in a very different direction. He would have won in 97, but not the same landslide.Jonathan said:Hunt = Bryan Gould
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Way ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
FYI - Canada is bloody cold.0 -
Always look on the bright side of life. As the song goes.Casino_Royale said:
I wish I could share your optimism.DavidL said:I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.0 -
Here’s hoping for a speedy recovery, BJO!bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
Oh good luck!!!! You have a big heart.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!
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Vancouver isn't too bad (and lovely in the summer)....but the real estate prices are sky high.TheScreamingEagles said:
Way ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
FYI - Canada is bloody cold.0 -
It isn't all policy. UKIP had trashed their own brand in various ways - brawling in meetings, fiddling expenses, crass behaviour of some elected members, repeated changes of leader. They were an embarrassing rabble.isam said:Non fans think UKIP and TBP are no different in policy, so why were the former getting 7-8% in the polls until the latter came along and started getting mid 20s?
Or why did one get 3% in the Euros and the other ten times that?
Farage had distanced himself from that, retained a strong brand, and leveraged it into something basically the same but without the baggage in the eyes of voters.
There was also a perceived policy difference. UKIP had tried to become a broad anti-Muslim, law'n'order, right wing force. Farage did manage to say "Look, here's Kate Hoey and a variety of people... you don't need to be on the hard right, this is simply about honouring the will of YOU in 2016."0 -
Hope you recover well and soon.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
What price is fair value that either Boris or Hunt will be next PM?0
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Don't even think like that. You are in the right place getting the care you need. Take it easy and best of luck with everything.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
Montréal is great, whatever the weather (their French is appalling, mind you). Toronna less so. And as for St. John’s, may I introduce you to screech.FrancisUrquhart said:
Vancouver isn't too bad (and lovely in the summer)....but the real estate prices are sky high.TheScreamingEagles said:
Way ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
FYI - Canada is bloody cold.0 -
Shocking news. I hope the diagnosis is good and the treatment gets you well again soon.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
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Best wishes for a speedy recoverybigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
Following on from earlier comments about crappiest food countries. Somebody said Canada, they obviously never been to Montreal. Lots of very good restaurants.matt said:
Montréal is great, whatever the weather (their French is appalling, mind you). Toronna less so. And as for St. John’s, may I introduce you to screech.FrancisUrquhart said:
Vancouver isn't too bad (and lovely in the summer)....but the real estate prices are sky high.TheScreamingEagles said:
Way ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
FYI - Canada is bloody cold.0 -
Oh mate, get well soon!bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
Get well soon, BJO!bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
All the best BJObigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
Unfortunately those restaurants serve poutine. Quebec exists in a miasma of maple syrup fumes and icing sugar. Their culinary hero is Tim Horton*, an ice hockey player who died in an unfortunate car crash. The Plateau in Montréal is great.FrancisUrquhart said:
Following on from earlier comments about crappiest food countries. Somebody said Canada, they obviously never been to Montreal. Lots of very good restaurants.matt said:
Montréal is great, whatever the weather (their French is appalling, mind you). Toronna less so. And as for St. John’s, may I introduce you to screech.FrancisUrquhart said:
Vancouver isn't too bad (and lovely in the summer)....but the real estate prices are sky high.TheScreamingEagles said:
Way ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
FYI - Canada is bloody cold.
*The chain has made it to Belfast. Has it arrived in London?0 -
That's just the Northern Softy in you talking!TheScreamingEagles said:
Way ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
FYI - Canada is bloody cold.0 -
On topic - to be fair, the poll doesn't ask "who was the best leader?". It asks whether you have a favourable view of them or not. Being a past leader simply gets them into the poll, it doesn't ask them to assess their performance in the role.0
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My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.0 -
The Garibaldi Lift Company in Whistler does the best nachos on the planet.FrancisUrquhart said:
Following on from earlier comments about crappiest food countries. Somebody said Canada, they obviously never been to Montreal. Lots of very good restaurants.matt said:
Montréal is great, whatever the weather (their French is appalling, mind you). Toronna less so. And as for St. John’s, may I introduce you to screech.FrancisUrquhart said:
Vancouver isn't too bad (and lovely in the summer)....but the real estate prices are sky high.TheScreamingEagles said:
Way ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
FYI - Canada is bloody cold.0 -
MPs are, infuriatingly, often both dumb as bricks and whip smart. They know their constituencies. They know what will fly with their local activists and they know from door knocking what will get them out a hole. They knew that Rory took non-Tory voters about a quarter inch towards the Tories - when the required unit of measurement is miles. They know the people they have lost to the Brexit Party. They know that of those on offer, only Boris has a chance of bringing them back.Philip_Thompson said:
I didn't get that at all. Stewart was the biggest lay since Leadsom.Casino_Royale said:
The inexcusable part of my betting was blowing £120 of profit on Boris because I joined in the bedwetting over Rory Stewart.Philip_Thompson said:
Well done to everyone who has gotten out of the red with Boris recently, can't be easy I imagine when he's favourite. The 'golden rule' of laying the favourite looks a bit doomed this time.Casino_Royale said:On the betting it's Andrea Leadsom who's dug me out of the hole and the fact I got on Hunt with Skybet last year at 100/1 and 66/1.
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.
He scraped through the earlier rounds, had a very low ceiling, no real momentum and the polls showed the Tories would be annihilated if they elected him. It couldn't be Stewart.
Anyone touting Rory's chances really, really didn't know Tory MPs. And I wonder if like me, they are expecting that if ever there was a time for Boris to pull his finger out and confound his legions of critics, now is that time. Boris just HAS to be smarter than simply getting the job, being crap and being booted out after months. I suspect he would just love to be given the long-term respect that Cameron had - and blew. Because of how much that woud hurt Cameron. Just doing a solid job as PM will confound almost everyone in the Chatterati.
And don't be amazed if he turns out to be really quite good. It is the biggest challenge of his life. He'll be remembered for little else. Step up to the plate, Mr Johnson - and knock it out the park. For all our sakes.0 -
All the best Big John.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!
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Get well soon. Everything else is unimportant.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
I’m stopping off in Charlottetown for a couple of days next week so can give a report from your man on the spotmatt said:
Montréal is great, whatever the weather (their French is appalling, mind you). Toronna less so. And as for St. John’s, may I introduce you to screech.FrancisUrquhart said:
Vancouver isn't too bad (and lovely in the summer)....but the real estate prices are sky high.TheScreamingEagles said:
Way ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
FYI - Canada is bloody cold.0 -
I have a similar-ish position on next PM. I would have imagined that I'd made most money on Corbyn, Milliband, etc. It turns out not so though. Only Stewart has been a clear and substantial winner really.AlastairMeeks said:My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.0 -
The problems with Johnson aren't his political positions per se. It's that there's no evidence that he believes in anything and is prepared to advocate literally any position if it gets him out of a spot. Now being flexible is generally a strength in a politician as long as you have a clear idea of what you want to achieve as an end point. The worst politicians are often the ones who care more about the process than the end state, or at least aren't prepared to adapt the process even if it jeopardises the end state. But you have to believe that you are trying to achieve something.Philip_Thompson said:
He will be.kle4 said:I think we're already seeing signs of how Borisphobes will justify staying within the fold. It's like watching Labour moderates under Corbyn. Hopefully he will be a better leader than Corbyn.
Take Brexit out of the equation, take his clownish persona out of the equation, politically he is a very moderate MP. He is far closer to Osborne/Cameron than the extremist he gets painted as or that Corbyn really is.
And all past history suggests further that Johnson adopts political positions like the newspaper opinion columnist he is, without much in the way of long term thought, research and analysis, just whatever seems to read well on paper. And to an artificial deadline.
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No, it will be PM Boris who will then win an overall majority with Corbyn lucky to stay ahead of the LDaFrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
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What would be the scenario where that happens ? Theresa May dying in the next month ? or Grieve etc forcing a confidence vote before the leadership race is finished ?AlastairMeeks said:My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.0 -
Hunt has already said he would extend beyond October, he cannot get away from that and the members will not vote for thatCasino_Royale said:
If Hunt then tacked to full Leave with the competence to prove it and expose Boris in the hustings he could then still win with the members.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Boris needs to have a moment (get caught admitting he will never exit with No Deal) or gets accused by a former close ally of being really a Remainer who doesn't believe in Leave and only backed it to help with his leadership ambitions.kle4 said:
Even the people enthusiastic about Hunt don't see, that enthusiastic about him. How does he challenge Boris's tight grip on the members? Careful caution?Casino_Royale said:
I wouldn't take it for granted.Artist said:67/33 to Johnson according to the YouGov members poll from a month ago. I can't see many/any switchers.
Boris might only win 56-44 in extremis.0 -
Sorry to hear that BJO and hope you get better soonbigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
The Conservatives are a minority and one wing is extremely unhappy. It only takes a few defections for it to be unclear whether the next Conservative leader can command the confidence of the Commons.PaulM said:
What would be the scenario where that happens ? Theresa May dying in the next month ? or Grieve etc forcing a confidence vote before the leadership race is finished ?AlastairMeeks said:My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.0 -
Let’s hope he’s gone by Christmas.MarqueeMark said:
MPs are, infuriatingly, often both dumb as bricks and whip smart. They know their constituencies. They know what will fly with their local activists and they know from door knocking what will get them out a hole. They knew that Rory took non-Tory voters about a quarter inch towards the Tories - when the required unit of measurement is miles. They know the people they have lost to the Brexit Party. They know that of those on offer, only Boris has a chance of bringing them back.Philip_Thompson said:
I didn't get that at all. Stewart was the biggest lay since Leadsom.Casino_Royale said:
The inexcusable part of my betting was blowing £120 of profit on Boris because I joined in the bedwetting over Rory Stewart.Philip_Thompson said:
Well done to everyone who has gotten out of the red with Boris recently, can't be easy I imagine when he's favourite. The 'golden rule' of laying the favourite looks a bit doomed this time.Casino_Royale said:On the betting it's Andrea Leadsom who's dug me out of the hole and the fact I got on Hunt with Skybet last year at 100/1 and 66/1.
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.
He scraped through the earlier rounds, had a very low ceiling, no real momentum and the polls showed the Tories would be annihilated if they elected him. It couldn't be Stewart.
Anyone touting Rory's chances really, really didn't know Tory MPs. And I wonder if like me, they are expecting that if ever there was a time for Boris to pull his finger out and confound his legions of critics, now is that time. Boris just HAS to be smarter than simply getting the job, being crap and being booted out after months. I suspect he would just love to be given the long-term respect that Cameron had - and blew. Because of how much that woud hurt Cameron. Just doing a solid job as PM will confound almost everyone in the Chatterati.
And don't be amazed if he turns out to be really quite good. It is the biggest challenge of his life. He'll be remembered for little else. Step up to the plate, Mr Johnson - and knock it out the park. For all our sakes.0 -
Can you get odds on wether the US will attack Iran?
What is success? If it’s us leaving the EU then that, is my mind failure. Success for whom, those wanting middle income tax cuts? Or is it saving the Tory party?MarqueeMark said:
MPs are, infuriatingly, often both dumb as bricks and whip smart. They know their constituencies. They know what will fly with their local activists and they know from door knocking what will get them out a hole. They knew that Rory took non-Tory voters about a quarter inch towards the Tories - when the required unit of measurement is miles. They know the people they have lost to the Brexit Party. They know that of those on offer, only Boris has a chance of bringing them back.Philip_Thompson said:
I didn't get that at all. Stewart was the biggest lay since Leadsom.Casino_Royale said:
The inexcusable part of my betting was blowing £120 of profit on Boris because I joined in the bedwetting over Rory Stewart.Philip_Thompson said:
Well done to everyone who has gotten out of the red with Boris recently, can't be easy I imagine when he's favourite. The 'golden rule' of laying the favourite looks a bit doomed this time.Casino_Royale said:On the betting it's Andrea Leadsom who's dug me out of the hole and the fact I got on Hunt with Skybet last year at 100/1 and 66/1.
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.
He scraped through the earlier rounds, had a very low ceiling, no real momentum and the polls showed the Tories would be annihilated if they elected him. It couldn't be Stewart.
Anyone touting Rory's chances really, really didn't know Tory MPs. And I wonder if like me, they are expecting that if ever there was a time for Boris to pull his finger out and confound his legions of critics, now is that time. Boris just HAS to be smarter than simply getting the job, being crap and being booted out after months. I suspect he would just love to be given the long-term respect that Cameron had - and blew. Because of how much that woud hurt Cameron. Just doing a solid job as PM will confound almost everyone in the Chatterati.
And don't be amazed if he turns out to be really quite good. It is the biggest challenge of his life. He'll be remembered for little else. Step up to the plate, Mr Johnson - and knock it out the park. For all our sakes.0 -
Indeed, Lord North lost the American colonies and died shortly after, May leaves office with the Union still intact on her watch, that was not guaranteed when she took overydoethur said:
No she wasn't. One, because no PM who survived twelve years in office can be considered a 'worst' PM, and two, because there at least a dozen PMs that have been far worse than May. Goderich, Portland, Melbourne, Aberdeen, Campbell-Bannerman, Eden all spring to mind without breaking a sweat.Philip_Thompson said:May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North.
What you really mean is, you don't like her and Lord North is the only other PM you've ever heard something bad about.0 -
Despite it being almost inevitable regardless. Strange world.HYUFD said:
Hunt has already said he would extend beyond October, he cannot get away from that and the members will not vote for thatCasino_Royale said:
If Hunt then tacked to full Leave with the competence to prove it and expose Boris in the hustings he could then still win with the members.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Boris needs to have a moment (get caught admitting he will never exit with No Deal) or gets accused by a former close ally of being really a Remainer who doesn't believe in Leave and only backed it to help with his leadership ambitions.kle4 said:
Even the people enthusiastic about Hunt don't see, that enthusiastic about him. How does he challenge Boris's tight grip on the members? Careful caution?Casino_Royale said:
I wouldn't take it for granted.Artist said:67/33 to Johnson according to the YouGov members poll from a month ago. I can't see many/any switchers.
Boris might only win 56-44 in extremis.0 -
The big difference is that some people both here and abroad had a certain respect for Theresa May. Apart from Tory members is there anyone with a good word for Boris? I've not met any.Jonathan said:
The spin is starting. Boris the leader and his great team.GIN1138 said:
A good leader builds a good team. And Boris's team has been bloody good in this campaign so far...Jonathan said:
Gavin Williamson is not yet PM?GIN1138 said:
Yep, very, very impressive.DavidL said:I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
For the first time since 8th June 2017 it feels like someone is actually in control of events (even if they're not yet Prime Minister)
Complete Bullshit.
No different to Theresa May. Same team.0 -
Best wishes Comrade. Hopefully you'll be back manning the barricades soon!bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
Cripes! Err...whoaarg! Phwor! Sheep...shark..etc.MarqueeMark said:
MPs are, infuriatingly, often both dumb as bricks and whip smart. They know their constituencies. They know what will fly with their local activists and they know from door knocking what will get them out a hole. They knew that Rory took non-Tory voters about a quarter inch towards the Tories - when the required unit of measurement is miles. They know the people they have lost to the Brexit Party. They know that of those on offer, only Boris has a chance of bringing them back.Philip_Thompson said:
I didn't get that at all. Stewart was the biggest lay since Leadsom.Casino_Royale said:
The inexcusable part of my betting was blowing £120 of profit on Boris because I joined in the bedwetting over Rory Stewart.Philip_Thompson said:
Well done to everyone who has gotten out of the red with Boris recently, can't be easy I imagine when he's favourite. The 'golden rule' of laying the favourite looks a bit doomed this time.Casino_Royale said:On the betting it's Andrea Leadsom who's dug me out of the hole and the fact I got on Hunt with Skybet last year at 100/1 and 66/1.
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.
He scraped through the earlier rounds, had a very low ceiling, no real momentum and the polls showed the Tories would be annihilated if they elected him. It couldn't be Stewart.
Anyone touting Rory's chances really, really didn't know Tory MPs. And I wonder if like me, they are expecting that if ever there was a time for Boris to pull his finger out and confound his legions of critics, now is that time. Boris just HAS to be smarter than simply getting the job, being crap and being booted out after months. I suspect he would just love to be given the long-term respect that Cameron had - and blew. Because of how much that woud hurt Cameron. Just doing a solid job as PM will confound almost everyone in the Chatterati.
And don't be amazed if he turns out to be really quite good. It is the biggest challenge of his life. He'll be remembered for little else. Step up to the plate, Mr Johnson - and knock it out the park. For all our sakes.0 -
He's said he would if a deal is close and absolutely necessary and Boris will do exactly the same.HYUFD said:
Hunt has already said he would extend beyond October, he cannot get away from that and the members will not vote for thatCasino_Royale said:
If Hunt then tacked to full Leave with the competence to prove it and expose Boris in the hustings he could then still win with the members.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Boris needs to have a moment (get caught admitting he will never exit with No Deal) or gets accused by a former close ally of being really a Remainer who doesn't believe in Leave and only backed it to help with his leadership ambitions.kle4 said:
Even the people enthusiastic about Hunt don't see, that enthusiastic about him. How does he challenge Boris's tight grip on the members? Careful caution?Casino_Royale said:
I wouldn't take it for granted.Artist said:67/33 to Johnson according to the YouGov members poll from a month ago. I can't see many/any switchers.
Boris might only win 56-44 in extremis.0 -
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All the best Big John.bigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!
Thinking of you.0 -
Has anyone ever set a lower bar than their country still existing when a PM leaves office?HYUFD said:
Indeed, Lord North lost the American colonies and died shortly after, May leaves office with the Union still intact on her watch, that was not guaranteed when she took overydoethur said:
No she wasn't. One, because no PM who survived twelve years in office can be considered a 'worst' PM, and two, because there at least a dozen PMs that have been far worse than May. Goderich, Portland, Melbourne, Aberdeen, Campbell-Bannerman, Eden all spring to mind without breaking a sweat.Philip_Thompson said:May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North.
What you really mean is, you don't like her and Lord North is the only other PM you've ever heard something bad about.0 -
Boris has said we will leave in October, Hunt has said he would extend.Casino_Royale said:
He's said he would if a deal is close and absolutely necessary and Boris will do exactly the same.HYUFD said:
Hunt has already said he would extend beyond October, he cannot get away from that and the members will not vote for thatCasino_Royale said:
If Hunt then tacked to full Leave with the competence to prove it and expose Boris in the hustings he could then still win with the members.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Boris needs to have a moment (get caught admitting he will never exit with No Deal) or gets accused by a former close ally of being really a Remainer who doesn't believe in Leave and only backed it to help with his leadership ambitions.kle4 said:
Even the people enthusiastic about Hunt don't see, that enthusiastic about him. How does he challenge Boris's tight grip on the members? Careful caution?Casino_Royale said:
I wouldn't take it for granted.Artist said:67/33 to Johnson according to the YouGov members poll from a month ago. I can't see many/any switchers.
Boris might only win 56-44 in extremis.
The only question in this race is whether Hunt can get ahead of Davis' 32% in 2005, in the last ConHome Tory members poll he was on 26% v Boris on 72%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/06/next-tory-leader-run-offs-johnson-tops-them-javid-improves-his-position-and-stewart-is-bottom.html0 -
Well played.AlastairMeeks said:My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.
How interesting does it get?0 -
@bigjohnowls Hope you get better soon.0
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Why ? Both want to leave the EU and both are racist parties.isam said:Non fans think UKIP and TBP are no different in policy, so why were the former getting 7-8% in the polls until the latter came along and started getting mid 20s?
Or why did one get 3% in the Euros and the other ten times that?
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Well that is a pretty significant bar (though Scots of course claim they are already a country just one in union with England)IanB2 said:
Has anyone ever set a lower bar than their country still existing when a PM leaves office?HYUFD said:
Indeed, Lord North lost the American colonies and died shortly after, May leaves office with the Union still intact on her watch, that was not guaranteed when she took overydoethur said:
No she wasn't. One, because no PM who survived twelve years in office can be considered a 'worst' PM, and two, because there at least a dozen PMs that have been far worse than May. Goderich, Portland, Melbourne, Aberdeen, Campbell-Bannerman, Eden all spring to mind without breaking a sweat.Philip_Thompson said:May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North.
What you really mean is, you don't like her and Lord North is the only other PM you've ever heard something bad about.0 -
In news that might surprise some, Rory Stewart called on people to join the Conservative Party during his speech this evening.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1141752656861339648
I must admit, even as a bit of a fan of his, that was a good speech, and covered some interesting points.0 -
And both hve no other policies. Are they going to pack up and go home now they have one of their own as presumptive PM?surbiton19 said:
Why ? Both want to leave the EU and both are racist parties.isam said:Non fans think UKIP and TBP are no different in policy, so why were the former getting 7-8% in the polls until the latter came along and started getting mid 20s?
Or why did one get 3% in the Euros and the other ten times that?0 -
Jacques Chirac said the British had worse food than anyone bar the FinnsFrancisUrquhart said:
Following on from earlier comments about crappiest food countries. Somebody said Canada, they obviously never been to Montreal. Lots of very good restaurants.matt said:
Montréal is great, whatever the weather (their French is appalling, mind you). Toronna less so. And as for St. John’s, may I introduce you to screech.FrancisUrquhart said:
Vancouver isn't too bad (and lovely in the summer)....but the real estate prices are sky high.TheScreamingEagles said:
Way ahead of you.FrancisUrquhart said:So it will be PM Bonking Boris followed by Jezza (or possibly Marxist McDonnell)....searching Canadian real estate as we speak.
FYI - Canada is bloody cold.
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Yes, I guess we could be in the 14 day period after a PM (May) has lost a confidence vote and during which a new PM (presumably the Conservative leader at that time) needs to win one to avoid Parliament being dissolved.PaulM said:
What would be the scenario where that happens ? Theresa May dying in the next month ? or Grieve etc forcing a confidence vote before the leadership race is finished ?AlastairMeeks said:My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.
That's the only way I can see that the winner of the Hunt/Johnson contest wouldn't immediately be asked to form a Government, and accept becoming PM.
Of course, they'd also need to lose the ensuing General Election, otherwise they'd still be next PM.
It's all highly unlikely. I can see Johnson in particular losing a confidence vote quite quickly if he tacks to one extreme. But the numbers aren't there to do it before he's in post - as the recent Labour vote on taking control of the agenda showed, even the Tory left are willing to give the new PM some chance to see how it goes.0 -
Andy Murray wins on his return at Queen's Club with partner Lopez defeating number 1 seeds Farah/Cabal 7:5 6:30
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Or has someone been saving up release of a real scandal on Boris until now, the moment of truth....?Casino_Royale said:
Maybe Hunt will surprise and land some serious punches?Jonathan said:
The point is that Hunt needs to tread carefully. A heavy defeat could be crtically damaging.matt said:
He went back to NZ and made a difference didn’t he? Ended political career, yes but arguably did more good.Jonathan said:
Bryan got just 9%. That effectively ended his career. Will Hunt top that?Foxy said:
Bryan Gould would have been an interesting leader for Labour, and if had won would have prevented Blair getting the opportunity. I always liked his style and politics, but with his sane Euroscepticism (he resigned from John Smiths front bench over Maastricht) would have taken Labour in a very different direction. He would have won in 97, but not the same landslide.Jonathan said:Hunt = Bryan Gould
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Bookies must be nicely arbing with Betfair exchange.
They're all offering Hunt at about 8/1 where he can be backed at 12/1 on BE.0 -
The G7 average is interesting, but I'd like to see the lines for each G7 country individually.TheScreamingEagles said:Hey Robert, you understand economics, can you explain this chart to those of who don't.
https://twitter.com/Jim_Edwards/status/11417133736520171530 -
It's a dangerous game going all in on Boris this early.IanB2 said:
Or has someone been saving up release of a real scandal on Boris until now, the moment of truth....?Casino_Royale said:
Maybe Hunt will surprise and land some serious punches?Jonathan said:
The point is that Hunt needs to tread carefully. A heavy defeat could be crtically damaging.matt said:
He went back to NZ and made a difference didn’t he? Ended political career, yes but arguably did more good.Jonathan said:
Bryan got just 9%. That effectively ended his career. Will Hunt top that?Foxy said:
Bryan Gould would have been an interesting leader for Labour, and if had won would have prevented Blair getting the opportunity. I always liked his style and politics, but with his sane Euroscepticism (he resigned from John Smiths front bench over Maastricht) would have taken Labour in a very different direction. He would have won in 97, but not the same landslide.Jonathan said:Hunt = Bryan Gould
I'm not doing it.0 -
I reckon if the ERG inclined hadn’t forced out Nick Boles then Gove would have made the final two.
Losing his former campaign manager was an insurmountable blow for Gove.0 -
Depends who wins and who becomes next Prime Minister. Boris Johnson plus Ken Clarke is worth 9,577.84Casino_Royale said:
Well played.AlastairMeeks said:My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.
How interesting does it get?0 -
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Interesting that he's still going.JosiasJessop said:In news that might surprise some, Rory Stewart called on people to join the Conservative Party during his speech this evening.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1141752656861339648
I must admit, even as a bit of a fan of his, that was a good speech, and covered some interesting points.0 -
Irish PM Leo Varadkar says there is now a strong view across the EU against any further extension of Article 50 beyond October
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/new-pm-will-not-be-given-brexit-extension-warns-leo-varadkar-wjh3gx33p?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Tmaa5ksWd9BUxouyZrRcwD3oO6t91CT9536uaYQC5LN_-V7psaApUKZ0#Echobox=15610472370 -
All very best wishes to @bigjohnowls for a speedy recovery.0
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Will they be singing his name as Glasto next weekend?JosiasJessop said:In news that might surprise some, Rory Stewart called on people to join the Conservative Party during his speech this evening.
twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1141752656861339648
I must admit, even as a bit of a fan of his, that was a good speech, and covered some interesting points.0 -
That's extremely free luxury cruise for two interesting.AlastairMeeks said:
Depends who wins and who becomes next Prime Minister. Boris Johnson plus Ken Clarke is worth 9,577.84Casino_Royale said:
Well played.AlastairMeeks said:My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.
How interesting does it get?0 -
I'm more a three day minibreak in the Isle of Wight.Casino_Royale said:
That's extremely free luxury cruise for two interesting.AlastairMeeks said:
Depends who wins and who becomes next Prime Minister. Boris Johnson plus Ken Clarke is worth 9,577.84Casino_Royale said:
Well played.AlastairMeeks said:My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.
How interesting does it get?
But, still enjoyable.0 -
Indeed. It might just come to a halt and nothing happens (as he admits), or it might just be the start of something else.Casino_Royale said:
Interesting that he's still going.JosiasJessop said:In news that might surprise some, Rory Stewart called on people to join the Conservative Party during his speech this evening.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1141752656861339648
I must admit, even as a bit of a fan of his, that was a good speech, and covered some interesting points.0 -
Well played indeedAlastairMeeks said:
Depends who wins and who becomes next Prime Minister. Boris Johnson plus Ken Clarke is worth 9,577.84Casino_Royale said:
Well played.AlastairMeeks said:My position on the last two, assuming the next Conservative leader becomes next Prime Minister, is:
Boris Johnson +1,134.33
Jeremy Hunt +2,185.76
If the next Conservative leader is not the next Prime Minister it gets more interesting.
How interesting does it get?
I wouldn't spend the extra 8,443.51 just yet
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An evangelist at Trump's first 2020 rally called on the Almighty to dismantle the 'demonic network' undermining the PresidentTheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/world/evangelist-paula-white-cain-starts-to-rally-the-christian-faithful-to-support-trump-xv6xp5hbh?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0EXgJ94mZ8WU5COdswB-EoqC-7Mad2X3joqY1YaQ8UYrBnqup1uDul45Q#Echobox=15610257810 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryb9Xs94WDMFrancisUrquhart said:
Will they be singing his name as Glasto next weekend?JosiasJessop said:In news that might surprise some, Rory Stewart called on people to join the Conservative Party during his speech this evening.
twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1141752656861339648
I must admit, even as a bit of a fan of his, that was a good speech, and covered some interesting points.0 -
Irish PM Leo Varadkar will suffer quite badly due to the nonsense that "Irish PM Leo Varadkar" has been involved in.HYUFD said:Irish PM Leo Varadkar says there is now a strong view across the EU against any further extension of Article 50 beyond October
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/new-pm-will-not-be-given-brexit-extension-warns-leo-varadkar-wjh3gx33p?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3Tmaa5ksWd9BUxouyZrRcwD3oO6t91CT9536uaYQC5LN_-V7psaApUKZ0#Echobox=15610472370 -
Just as a matter of interest, looking past Johnson winning a majority for potential no deal at a General Election, how do you see the course of the Government progressing after no deal actually happens? What do you personally feel the economic consequences of no deal will be and how will Johnson deal with them?HYUFD said:
Boris has said we will leave in October, Hunt has said he would extend.Casino_Royale said:
He's said he would if a deal is close and absolutely necessary and Boris will do exactly the same.HYUFD said:
Hunt has already said he would extend beyond October, he cannot get away from that and the members will not vote for thatCasino_Royale said:
If Hunt then tacked to full Leave with the competence to prove it and expose Boris in the hustings he could then still win with the members.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Boris needs to have a moment (get caught admitting he will never exit with No Deal) or gets accused by a former close ally of being really a Remainer who doesn't believe in Leave and only backed it to help with his leadership ambitions.kle4 said:
Even the people enthusiastic about Hunt don't see, that enthusiastic about him. How does he challenge Boris's tight grip on the members? Careful caution?Casino_Royale said:
I wouldn't take it for granted.Artist said:67/33 to Johnson according to the YouGov members poll from a month ago. I can't see many/any switchers.
Boris might only win 56-44 in extremis.
The only question in this race is whether Hunt can get ahead of Davis' 32% in 2005, in the last ConHome Tory members poll he was on 26% v Boris on 72%
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/06/next-tory-leader-run-offs-johnson-tops-them-javid-improves-his-position-and-stewart-is-bottom.html
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A stent in the right place and they'll have you out in 24 hours. It's a conveyor belt. Good luck and get a copy of the angiogram. They look good in a framebigjohnowls said:In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!0 -
That's a bit fast for Stewart. Camel-speed's about the maximum he'll go ...Tabman said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryb9Xs94WDMFrancisUrquhart said:
Will they be singing his name as Glasto next weekend?JosiasJessop said:In news that might surprise some, Rory Stewart called on people to join the Conservative Party during his speech this evening.
twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1141752656861339648
I must admit, even as a bit of a fan of his, that was a good speech, and covered some interesting points. 0 -
There is a lot of truth in that, but Brexit has shown he doesnt care whether he is arguing what he believes, he will argue for whatever is most likely to give him power. Given a fair proportion of his backers are pretty extreme, that may end up being the path he takes. Maybe he pivots back to the centre, maybe he tacks to the right, I dont think anyone really knows what he will do, including himself.Philip_Thompson said:
He will be.kle4 said:I think we're already seeing signs of how Borisphobes will justify staying within the fold. It's like watching Labour moderates under Corbyn. Hopefully he will be a better leader than Corbyn.
Take Brexit out of the equation, take his clownish persona out of the equation, politically he is a very moderate MP. He is far closer to Osborne/Cameron than the extremist he gets painted as or that Corbyn really is.
I struggle to see how that approach can be a good path for the country but maybe we will get lucky.0 -
