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Nobody like that around hereRobD said:
Putting your wallet before party. Tsk.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
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I'm glad he's continued to pursue fiscal rectitude.DavidL said:
Hammond has built up the capacity to increase government spending quite sharply whilst keeping borrowing on a declining path. I must have missed all the candidates for the leadership saying thank you whilst they promise ever more largesse in a frankly very untory way.another_richard said:
I doubt he's much different to the average politician with their attention span stretching until the next election.DavidL said:
Sure, but never mistake Trump with someone who cares.another_richard said:
The longer the delay the worse it could be.DavidL said:
Trump will make sure that the money continues to be pumped and interest rates stay on the floor until after he is safely re-elected. I don't see a significant US slowdown before 2020.AlastairMeeks said:
The US figures in particular look alarming.another_richard said:On a different note this weeks economic stats from North American manufacturing to Australian house prices to German economic sentiment to UK bond auctions ** are suggesting imminent recession:
https://www.forexfactory.com/calendar.php#closed
Now things might change for the better but perhaps the candidates might be asked what they would do when the next recession occurs instead of their fantasy tax cuts posturing.
** Looks like the government is flogging 10 year bonds at an average yield of 0.89%.
(But as you regularly remind me, I have been caught out by indicators before.)
He's merely more crude and more blatant.0 -
Betfair exchange thinks Javid will get the fewest votes (1.53)0
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Yes, those aren't absolute £s. I could spare a tenner in the interests of a better debate.Casino_Royale said:
Pro rata, I assume?Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
If not it's a fairly narrow book!0 -
I always tended to assume Kenneth Clarke MP would be passed out in his office by 3pm most days...JackW said:
Is someone running a book on how close to 5pm that Ken Clarke votes ?RobD said:
Has turnout been described as brisk, steady, ....?AndyJS said:Voting has started at Westminster.
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You can see the averages, although there are a few piss takersAndyJS said:John Rentoul is running a prediction competition. Entries close at 5pm.
https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/11408882981074165760 -
And I would swear I saw John Redwood the other day.Casino_Royale said:
To be fair we already have the mass hysteria.AlastairMeeks said:
Not dead? You're sure?0 -
He might frighten them offCasino_Royale said:
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Day? You mean night.DavidL said:
And I would swear I saw John Redwood the other day.Casino_Royale said:
To be fair we already have the mass hysteria.AlastairMeeks said:
Not dead? You're sure?0 -
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -100 -
I wonder whether a few ERGer's will be tempted to switch from Boris to Raab today to ensure Raab gets through?
Just in the unlikely event Boris happens to be stringing them along...
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Do Tory MPs have souls?Casino_Royale said:0 -
I save some if they are particularly excellent.RobD said:
You keep a library of people’s old posts?williamglenn said:
I was thinking of your post on the day of the referendum explaining why you voted Leave.Charles said:
Don't believe so. I do think that they didn't have the right to delegate as much power as they have to Europe without authorisation, so that may be what you are thinking about?williamglenn said:I believe you said you voted leave to teach our leaders that they are not in charge. It worked, albeit not in the way you intended.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/1126995/#Comment_1126995
Voting to Leave, was, for me, a way for the people of this country to show the Westminster clique who is in charge. It was a way to force them to be accountable for their actions. It was a way to make them think about what is right for all of the people of this country, not just to focus on the headline numbers and ignore those who get left behind.
We can, and should, be better than that as a party and as a country. The Conservatives used to be the party of the One Nation. They have forgotten how to do that - and I fear they have forgotten what it even means.
To lead is to serve. Our leaders need to be taught that they are not in charge. Vote Leave: take control.0 -
on topic
Raab is the most consistent of all the candidates. It would be shocking if he were to win but at least you would know what was in store.
Who can honestly say they know what the fuck Boris as PM would mean?0 -
I've probably gone in the opposite direction Immediately after the referendum I wanted to somehow still remain, even though I thought it was very unlikely Now that it seems like a real possibility I'm not so sure. I think the best option is the one that the smallest possible number of people would really hate, which I think would be Efta Single Market, even though I think it's still worse for the UK than remaining.Andy_Cooke said:
Oh, that perception has been there since the very start. I think it became a self-fulfilling prophecy, to be honest - many fervent Leavers decided early on that "they" would steal Brexit from them, and it drove their "no compromises" stance. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Don't settle for Brexit in Name Only. Saboteurs. Traitors. We still see the simplistic persecution narrative here - if anything, it's got more strident.Charles said:
I certainly remember reading that - it struck me as part of an argument, but it was a while later.Andy_Cooke said:
And, to supplement that, I do recall reading fairly frequently in the months following the referendum, that Single Market membership would be incompatible with Brexit due to Freedom of Movement issues.Andy_Cooke said:
Who wanted to listen?Charles said:
That's not come across in the public arena.
Not Leavers. They didn't want any compromise from their "pure" Brexit.
I've spoken to a number of Remainers who were involved in the early attempts, and they just got blanked until they shifted to their harder stance. As shown by your own lack of any memory of it.
Even from the days of Gina Miller's original case in 2016 there was a perception of trying to overturn the result.
I fully accept there were some on the Remain side who also didn't want the slightest compromise, but they were, at the start, a pronounced minority. Those willing to accept the result ended up driven out of the centre.
It might, on the other hand, be better for the rest of the EU than the UK remaining.
It's a shame that Labour didn't make the logical and coherent argument for this option, then it would probably be high on the agenda now instead of completely ignored.0 -
They're generally in escrow.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do Tory MPs have souls?Casino_Royale said:0 -
Don't worry, it is a figure of speech.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do Tory MPs have souls?Casino_Royale said:0 -
Rory - Vote for me or I'll walk through your constituency with David Baddiel ....RobD said:
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Now we know why his handlers don't want him out in public. The ERG might get to hear what he says.Scott_P said:0 -
“The key to success is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.”rottenborough said:
Now we know why his handlers don't want him out in public. The ERG might get to hear what he says.Scott_P said:0 -
Before or after fucking them?Scott_P said:0 -
Any analysis which does not have a solution of ‘We must BREXIT!!!!!!! Bow to Farage’ can be safely discounted .Tissue_Price said:0 -
OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do Tory MPs have souls?Casino_Royale said:
Some few escape the candidate screening unscathed and arrive with them in situ, but these are swiftly dealt with.0 -
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -100 -
Many. If you put your cross next to a conservative candidate, you have donated yours to their collection.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do Tory MPs have souls?Casino_Royale said:0 -
As suggested on pb!Scott_P said:0 -
It will mean a large number of unhappy Tory MPs who feel duped, once the first hint of an actual Brexit policy emerges.TOPPING said:on topic
Raab is the most consistent of all the candidates. It would be shocking if he were to win but at least you would know what was in store.
Who can honestly say they know what the fuck Boris as PM would mean?0 -
Are we going to see ERG desert Boris tonight? They must have seen the stuff on twitter about Boris comments about transitions, Malthouse etc etc. Not the No Deal in October they have been promised.
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Yeah. It really put his nose out of joint.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
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More impressive to have an accurate tally of your support than to be "surprised" by receiving more than you expected.kjohnw said:0 -
That particular plan is now dead either wayScott_P said:0 -
They certainly do not have hearts - which is why they are never screened for an aorta aneurism.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Do Tory MPs have souls?Casino_Royale said:0 -
Sajid and Dominic gone? Drifted well out. Might be a trading opportunity on backing Gove?0
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Should England be concerned that a team yet to score 200 in the CWC are currently 95/2? It suggests that their bowling attack is not as potent as they like to think.0
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'twould be an election offence at a polling station!Casino_Royale said:0 -
Flat track. Bowlers not trying too hard and thereby risking injury, as the match is already won. Etc.DavidL said:Should England be concerned that a team yet to score 200 in the CWC are currently 95/2? It suggests that their bowling attack is not as potent as they like to think.
This particular game is a reminder of just how boring ODIs can be.-1 -
If it is true it would be very funny. Serve the headbangers right for thinking it OK to back a serial liar. they will show their extreme gullibility once more for all to see.DecrepitJohnL said:
As suggested on pb!Scott_P said:0 -
Officially that's BRA rather than hysteria.Casino_Royale said:
To be fair we already have the mass hysteria.AlastairMeeks said:
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The plan to remove all backbench MPs from the higher rate tax band if they elect Boris? That plan?TheWhiteRabbit said:
That particular plan is now dead either wayScott_P said:0 -
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I don't think they'll "desert" him but I would imagine just enough will switch from Boris to Raab to ensure Raab gets through and they have a "plan b"...rottenborough said:Are we going to see ERG desert Boris tonight? They must have seen the stuff on twitter about Boris comments about transitions, Malthouse etc etc. Not the No Deal in October they have been promised.
In the ludicrously unlikely event that Boris can't be trusted you understand. 0 -
Or arrogance.Scott_P said:0 -
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -100 -
Evidence suggests that punters on Betfair don't have any real information.Phukov said:Sajid and Dominic gone? Drifted well out. Might be a trading opportunity on backing Gove?
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How does Boris get a transition until December 2021 without a Deal?
How does Boris get a Deal before 31 October 2019?0 -
Let's not forget the utter shit Labour are in, while we enjoy our popcorn watching Boris tonight:
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1140939431832150017
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1140940089901703170
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/11409406141183836160 -
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Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -100 -
Stop asking 'detail' questions. Boris has the personality to get this done etc etc.Verulamius said:How does Boris get a transition until December 2021 without a Deal?
How does Boris get a Deal before 31 October 2019?0 -
Fair. Very fair.Casino_Royale said:
Evidence suggests that punters on Betfair don't have any real information.Phukov said:Sajid and Dominic gone? Drifted well out. Might be a trading opportunity on backing Gove?
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BF says otherwise.AndyJS said:0 -
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Well I don't know about HIGHLY intelligent but, yes, as both 'clever and lazy' they are, per that theory, eminently suitable for positions such as Prime Minister.Animal_pb said:Pigs are also highly intelligent. I refer you to the quote by General Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord….
I refute that - totally - but I do think that they are cruelly and unfairly maligned.
Greedy pig.
Pig ignorant.
Thick as pig shit.
Etc.
It's not on. Do we think they don't hear all of this nasty stuff?0 -
Betfair had Andrea Leadsom at under 10/1 right up until the declaration.rottenborough said:
BF says otherwise.AndyJS said:0 -
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?Scott_P said:0 -
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.0 -
That shows how ignorant and presumptive you are!GIN1138 said:
I always tended to assume Kenneth Clarke MP would be passed out in his office by 3pm most days...JackW said:
Is someone running a book on how close to 5pm that Ken Clarke votes ?RobD said:
Has turnout been described as brisk, steady, ....?AndyJS said:Voting has started at Westminster.
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In the first round there were 247 endorsements. Currently on 246 this time.0
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Only because someone wasted a fortune keeping her price low...Casino_Royale said:
Betfair had Andrea Leadsom at under 10/1 right up until the declaration.rottenborough said:
BF says otherwise.AndyJS said:0 -
Believe in the Pig. I mean Bin. I mean...rottenborough said:
Stop asking 'detail' questions. Boris has the personality to get this done etc etc.Verulamius said:How does Boris get a transition until December 2021 without a Deal?
How does Boris get a Deal before 31 October 2019?0 -
I thought he was worse than shocking in the debate (as I may, ahem, have mentioned already).Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
Are people really taken in by that faux sincerity, shouty, me me me bollocks? Probably yes but what a shame.0 -
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.0 -
Sssh - Journalists should keep quite about that until Raab has been eliminated.Scott_P said:0 -
His number of public endorsements is the same as last time at 35: he's gained David Mundell and lost Bob Seely.Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.0 -
Agree they were a small number, but they were unfortunately a group of very high profile / senior individuals? (I have a vague memory of Clegg or someone of his sort of level making some comments early on - it might have been Farron?)Andy_Cooke said:
Oh, that perception has been there since the very start. I think it became a self-fulfilling prophecy, to be honest - many fervent Leavers decided early on that "they" would steal Brexit from them, and it drove their "no compromises" stance. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Don't settle for Brexit in Name Only. Saboteurs. Traitors. We still see the simplistic persecution narrative here - if anything, it's got more strident.Charles said:
I certainly remember reading that - it struck me as part of an argument, but it was a while later.Andy_Cooke said:
And, to supplement that, I do recall reading fairly frequently in the months following the referendum, that Single Market membership would be incompatible with Brexit due to Freedom of Movement issues.Andy_Cooke said:
Who wanted to listen?Charles said:
That's not come across in the public arena.
Not Leavers. They didn't want any compromise from their "pure" Brexit.
Not Tory Remainers. They knew that their Party was doomed if it didn't successfully deliver a Brexit that would satisfy the Leavers.
Remainers were discouraged, disconsolate, and - quite quickly - not in the mood for compromise. After all, they were told they weren't welcome (yes, I know we've been told May's "Citizens of Nowhere" speech was intended differently, but given that "Citizen of the World" is literally what "cosmopolitan" means, it was one hell of a blunder from a professional communicator at the very least; a deliberate dog-whistle at worst (and a dog-whistle that turned out to be actually just a whistle). In addition, May and the Tories made it very very clear that EFTA/Single Market membership was very much excluded by their red lines.
I've spoken to a number of Remainers who were involved in the early attempts, and they just got blanked until they shifted to their harder stance. As shown by your own lack of any memory of it.
Even from the days of Gina Miller's original case in 2016 there was a perception of trying to overturn the result.
I fully accept there were some on the Remain side who also didn't want the slightest compromise, but they were, at the start, a pronounced minority. Those willing to accept the result ended up driven out of the centre.0 -
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Sense of humor failure?PeterMannion said:
That shows how ignorant and presumptive you are!GIN1138 said:
I always tended to assume Kenneth Clarke MP would be passed out in his office by 3pm most days...JackW said:
Is someone running a book on how close to 5pm that Ken Clarke votes ?RobD said:
Has turnout been described as brisk, steady, ....?AndyJS said:Voting has started at Westminster.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48678723 0 -
Meh, the decision to build it has been made and his side lost. Time to move on.Scott_P said:0 -
She sounds surprised.Scott_P said:0 -
I think Gove is a complex chap. His Brexititus clearly comes from childhood anger about how his adopted father's business was damaged by the common fisheries policy. I wonder whether he is having second thoughts. Wondering how many children are about to have their lives damaged by their father's or mother's job or business being wrecked by a mad policy called Brexit? And for what purpose? Absolutely sweet FATOPPING said:
I thought he was worse than shocking in the debate (as I may, ahem, have mentioned already).Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
Are people really taken in by that faux sincerity, shouty, me me me bollocks? Probably yes but what a shame.-1 -
fair enough - I don't think those are inconsistent (or at least as you phrased it - not deliberately - it implies a different meaning). Essentially it is about accountability and focusing on the individuals that make up the country not the aggregate numberswilliamglenn said:
I was thinking of your post on the day of the referendum explaining why you voted Leave.Charles said:
Don't believe so. I do think that they didn't have the right to delegate as much power as they have to Europe without authorisation, so that may be what you are thinking about?williamglenn said:I believe you said you voted leave to teach our leaders that they are not in charge. It worked, albeit not in the way you intended.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/1126995/#Comment_1126995
Voting to Leave, was, for me, a way for the people of this country to show the Westminster clique who is in charge. It was a way to force them to be accountable for their actions. It was a way to make them think about what is right for all of the people of this country, not just to focus on the headline numbers and ignore those who get left behind.
We can, and should, be better than that as a party and as a country. The Conservatives used to be the party of the One Nation. They have forgotten how to do that - and I fear they have forgotten what it even means.
To lead is to serve. Our leaders need to be taught that they are not in charge. Vote Leave: take control.0 -
Not much in it, though, is there?AndyJS said:
His number of public endorsements is the same as last time at 35: he's gained David Mundell and lost Bob Seely.Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.0 -
Mortimer said:
I've tried to find that comment myself in a moment of Governmental crisis (after the third MV failed, I think) - it was such an inspiring one!RobD said:
You keep a library of people’s old posts?williamglenn said:
I was thinking of your post on the day of the referendum explaining why you voted Leave.Charles said:
Don't believe so. I do think that they didn't have the right to delegate as much power as they have to Europe without authorisation, so that may be what you are thinking about?williamglenn said:I believe you said you voted leave to teach our leaders that they are not in charge. It worked, albeit not in the way you intended.
https://politicalbetting.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/comment/1126995/#Comment_1126995
Voting to Leave, was, for me, a way for the people of this country to show the Westminster clique who is in charge. It was a way to force them to be accountable for their actions. It was a way to make them think about what is right for all of the people of this country, not just to focus on the headline numbers and ignore those who get left behind.
We can, and should, be better than that as a party and as a country. The Conservatives used to be the party of the One Nation. They have forgotten how to do that - and I fear they have forgotten what it even means.
To lead is to serve. Our leaders need to be taught that they are not in charge. Vote Leave: take control.
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Good for Boris.Scott_P said:
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.0 -
I'm looking forward to the debate too, but I don't think I'll be in the next round.AndyJS said:0 -
It was so woefully below par it wasn't really him.TOPPING said:
I thought he was worse than shocking in the debate (as I may, ahem, have mentioned already).Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
Are people really taken in by that faux sincerity, shouty, me me me bollocks? Probably yes but what a shame.
Maybe he's been holed beneath the waterline?0 -
Yes. There are lots of reason to abhor Boris, but changing your mind on a massively important infrastructural project that has been laboriously approved by parliament, and has now seen off its High Court challenges, is not a "U-turn", it is accepting a new reality.RobD said:
Meh, the decision to build it has been made and his side lost. Time to move on.Scott_P said:0 -
The leaflet I got yesterday suggested the runway wasn't built yet?Philip_Thompson said:
Good for Boris.Scott_P said:
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.0 -
But it has got all the necessary approvals, and the political decision was made at the highest level of government.PeterMannion said:
The leaflet I got yesterday suggested the runway wasn't built yet?Philip_Thompson said:
Good for Boris.Scott_P said:
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.0 -
that should read "four years after he vowed to lie, down before the bulldozers". Inserting a comma makes this more believable. Boris doesn't mind where, and how often he lies. He can't help himself.Gallowgate said:
She sounds surprised.Scott_P said:0 -
I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.Philip_Thompson said:
Good for Boris.Scott_P said:
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.0 -
Gove is 50/1 in Shadsy's fewest votes market.Byronic said:
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.0 -
Yes, the consensus on here is that pigs are brain boxes who do not like to put the work in. The case that we are about to have one as PM is becoming unanswerable.DavidL said:Orwell really was brilliant. My favourite equivalent is whoever you vote for the government always gets in.
And on pigs they are generally thought to be quite intelligent. You may be on to something.
There is some truth in the "all the same" sentiment - trouble is, it does feed that sterile, knee jerk cynicism about politics and politicians which is IMO misplaced and unhealthy.
On the whole, I respect politicians. Or to be more precise, there are many other professions that I hold in lower esteem than theirs.
Investment banking, for example. My old stamping ground.0 -
"Brexiturds" is really ugly, and unpleasant, and, worst of all, won't be taken up by anyone else, making you look idiotic and mad.Phukov said:
I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.Philip_Thompson said:
Good for Boris.Scott_P said:
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.0 -
I've got £2 on Betfair on that at 85s.DecrepitJohnL said:
Gove is 50/1 in Shadsy's fewest votes market.Byronic said:
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.0 -
It was old fashioned Tory PPC selection profile - the most solipsistic shouty candidate generally got the gig. I think things have changed since then but yes, perhaps it was trying to compensate for what, with the drugs/hypocrite thing, was a very damaging episode.Casino_Royale said:
It was so woefully below par it wasn't really him.TOPPING said:
I thought he was worse than shocking in the debate (as I may, ahem, have mentioned already).Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
Are people really taken in by that faux sincerity, shouty, me me me bollocks? Probably yes but what a shame.
Maybe he's been holed beneath the waterline?0 -
Those odds aren't to be sniffed at.DecrepitJohnL said:
Gove is 50/1 in Shadsy's fewest votes market.Byronic said:
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.0 -
That's a very good bet.Casino_Royale said:
I've got £2 on Betfair on that at 85s.DecrepitJohnL said:
Gove is 50/1 in Shadsy's fewest votes market.Byronic said:
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.Casino_Royale said:
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.Byronic said:
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.Phukov said:
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.Byronic said:
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.logical_song said:
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.DavidL said:
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.Tissue_Price said:I could do with a Rory elimination today.
Gove +29
Javid +27
Boris +5
Hunt +1
Raab +1
Stewart -10
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.0 -
Mr. JohnL, just put a tiny sum on that (Gove's odds are 61 to get fewest votes, with boost).0
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