This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.
"Brexiturds" is really ugly, and unpleasant, and, worst of all, won't be taken up by anyone else, making you look idiotic and mad.
Alright then. We'll agree to call them "massive twats".
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.
"Brexiturds" is really ugly, and unpleasant, and, worst of all, won't be taken up by anyone else, making you look idiotic and mad.
Alright then. We'll agree to call them "massive twats".
Gove +29 Javid +27 Boris +5 Hunt +1 Raab +1 Stewart -10
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.
Gove is 50/1 in Shadsy's fewest votes market.
I've got £2 on Betfair on that at 85s.
It is possible to bet on Gove getting knocked out tonight without necessarily coming bottom?
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.
Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.
AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
Orwell really was brilliant. My favourite equivalent is whoever you vote for the government always gets in.
And on pigs they are generally thought to be quite intelligent. You may be on to something.
Yes, the consensus on here is that pigs are brain boxes who do not like to put the work in. The case that we are about to have one as PM is becoming unanswerable.
There is some truth in the "all the same" sentiment - trouble is, it does feed that sterile, knee jerk cynicism about politics and politicians which is IMO misplaced and unhealthy.
On the whole, I respect politicians. Or to be more precise, there are many other professions that I hold in lower esteem than theirs.
Investment banking, for example. My old stamping ground.
All this stuff about Boris being lazy. I am myself profoundly lazy (excellent Ken Bruce gag: I am a recovering workaholic, I've been clean these 40 years) and the most obvious manifestation of that laziness is the amount of time I spend on PB. I would invite Boris's critics to consider how well qualified they are to criticise, and whether they have written as many books as Boris has in his spare time, and whether they realise what fecking hard work it is writing books - even short, bad ones.
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.
"Brexiturds" is really ugly, and unpleasant, and, worst of all, won't be taken up by anyone else, making you look idiotic and mad.
I think it is quite good! Vaguely amusing. Brexiters are very easy to mock though. Brexiteer or Brexiter will eventually become a pejorative term when history looks back at how dumb the whole venture was. Someone susceptible to bullshit will be mocked, not as a gullible fool, but as a brexiter. "Oh you dumbass brexiter, you've fallen for it again!" To Brexit will be a verb, meaning to do something that is completely against logic and your own self interest. eg. "What an idiot, he brexited his whole fortune on that venture".
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.
Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.
AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
It's a fair question. I think the difference is that there is a remorseless emotional logic to LHR3, we can all see airports are crowded, we've been talking about it for 30 years, FFS just get on and build it now.
HS2 appears much more speculative - and it seems outrageously expensive, to the layman.
If Boris is gonna cancel anything it will be HS2, IMHO. Suddenly he has more money for other projects.
Gove +29 Javid +27 Boris +5 Hunt +1 Raab +1 Stewart -10
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.
Gove is 50/1 in Shadsy's fewest votes market.
I've got £2 on Betfair on that at 85s.
It is possible to bet on Gove getting knocked out tonight without necessarily coming bottom?
Not that I can see. Shadsy has 2/1 Rory not to be in the third ballot but not the equivalent bet for Gove, sfaict. You could ask for a price but the bookies will probably assume you are one of Rory's spy chums with a camera inside the ballot box.
I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.
Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.
AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
LHR3 is fully committed, although its necessary surface access (i.e. transport) schemes are not. Of course the government can u-turn on even a fully committed plan, but not without consequence.
I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.
I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.
I think Rory is. He's playing the classic "it's really close" game. That's either true, or he thinks it's in the bag.
I wonder whether Saj is so confident because Boris lent him some votes...because if he went home surely a lot of his votes would go to Rory...
HS2 appears much more speculative - and it seems outrageously expensive, to the layman.
What's behind the high cost, do you know? Is is driven much by land purchase?
I'm sure there are experts here that can tell you the deets. I'd guess it's the complex civil engineering in London plus, yes, pricey land all the way to Brum.
I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.
Fibbing that you're just short of the mark is quite a well established ploy to encourage waverers, isn't it?
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.
Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.
AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
LHR3 is fully committed, although its necessary surface access (i.e. transport) schemes are not. Of course the government can u-turn on even a fully committed plan, but not without consequence.
As I said, 'some penalties may need to be paid.'
It is fully within the government's ability to decide not to go ahead with HR3 (I hope they don't, though).
Starting to wonder whether both Hunt and Gove will do worse than expected.
Hunt seems to have fatally undermined himself by doing nothing at all.
The "low energy" jibes from the Boris camp are pure Trump, but they kinda strike home (especially contrasted to Rory).
I would far prefer Hunt to Boris "fuck business" Johnson, but the reality is that Hunt has very little charisma. He is therefore unlikely to appeal to the electorate, either within the Party or without. Unless Rory pulls off a most unlikely coup I think we are stuck with Bozo.
Mr. Price, thanks. I forget who said it but the quote that writing being the only profession in which you can make no money and still be taken seriously.
Leaving aside my own interests (*cough*buybooksbyThaddeusWhite*cough), I do have serious concerns at the difficult and worsening prospects for making money writing. Even £10,000 a year (far more than I make from it) is significantly above average, and piracy makes things very difficult.
If this persists then we're going to have a tiny number of superstars, a few people doing well, and everyone else writing will be independently wealthy or doing it as a hobby. The talented average man simply won't be able to afford it, and we'll miss out on thousands of great books because the market is simply dysfunctional.
[I am, incidentally, available for hire as a writer, whether creatively or factual, where I also have some experience].
Just read through Ed Davey's live Q&A with Mumsnet.
Mein gott, they are absolutely obsessed with trans issues. Probably 70% of the comments were on that. Fair play to Davey, he stood his ground and answered "you're evidently not going to agree with me on this".
I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.
Bottled it ;-)
Nah had him as a positive result actually. I've changed my mind a couple of times on him, which means he will probably get 33 votes and shorten to 9-1. He's not the same bank job Leadsom was at this point.
I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.
Fibbing that you're just short of the mark is quite a well established ploy to encourage waverers, isn't it?
Leadsom said she was confident on the morning of he first vote too
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.
Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.
AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
LHR3 is fully committed, although its necessary surface access (i.e. transport) schemes are not. Of course the government can u-turn on even a fully committed plan, but not without consequence.
As I said, 'some penalties may need to be paid.'
It is fully within the government's ability to decide not to go ahead with HR3 (I hope they don't, though).
Suggestion for an anti-HS2 campaign: Let's take all the money we were going to spend on HS2 and give it to the NHS.
There are many candidates for the title of the worst thing David Cameron did to the country, but inventing or at least approving that fallacious sanctimonious general purpose drek of an argument in the AV campaign is a strong contender.
I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.
Bottled it ;-)
Nah had him as a positive result actually. I've changed my mind a couple of times on him, which means he will probably get 33 votes and shorten to 9-1. He's not the same bank job Leadsom was at this point.
Just read through Ed Davey's live Q&A with Mumsnet.
Mein gott, they are absolutely obsessed with trans issues. Probably 70% of the comments were on that. Fair play to Davey, he stood his ground and answered "you're evidently not going to agree with me on this".
Just read through Ed Davey's live Q&A with Mumsnet.
Mein gott, they are absolutely obsessed with trans issues. Probably 70% of the comments were on that. Fair play to Davey, he stood his ground and answered "you're evidently not going to agree with me on this".
Oh it's a massive issue in some circles. Scottish politics is churning with transbaiting right now. It's really depressing.
“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”
Just read through Ed Davey's live Q&A with Mumsnet.
Mein gott, they are absolutely obsessed with trans issues. Probably 70% of the comments were on that. Fair play to Davey, he stood his ground and answered "you're evidently not going to agree with me on this".
All this stuff about Boris being lazy. I am myself profoundly lazy (excellent Ken Bruce gag: I am a recovering workaholic, I've been clean these 40 years) and the most obvious manifestation of that laziness is the amount of time I spend on PB. I would invite Boris's critics to consider how well qualified they are to criticise, and whether they have written as many books as Boris has in his spare time, and whether they realise what fecking hard work it is writing books - even short, bad ones.
I sense (but do not know) that he is intellectually lazy as opposed to indolent.
Yes, to write a book, a proper one, any book of say 30,000 words or more, takes a concerted effort of which probably the majority of people are not capable.
I wrote one a few years ago and it wore me out. I could not write one now.
Orwell really was brilliant. My favourite equivalent is whoever you vote for the government always gets in.
And on pigs they are generally thought to be quite intelligent. You may be on to something.
Yes, the consensus on here is that pigs are brain boxes who do not like to put the work in. The case that we are about to have one as PM is becoming unanswerable.
There is some truth in the "all the same" sentiment - trouble is, it does feed that sterile, knee jerk cynicism about politics and politicians which is IMO misplaced and unhealthy.
On the whole, I respect politicians. Or to be more precise, there are many other professions that I hold in lower esteem than theirs.
Investment banking, for example. My old stamping ground.
All this stuff about Boris being lazy. I am myself profoundly lazy (excellent Ken Bruce gag: I am a recovering workaholic, I've been clean these 40 years) and the most obvious manifestation of that laziness is the amount of time I spend on PB. I would invite Boris's critics to consider how well qualified they are to criticise, and whether they have written as many books as Boris has in his spare time, and whether they realise what fecking hard work it is writing books - even short, bad ones.
Though not many of his critics have had the temerity to put themselves forward as Prime Minister...
... and I thought that Boris used his spare time to do his actual job ?
Williamson waiting for as full a picture as possible of the numbers before deciding who to vote for?
Probably standing outside the room, whittling a pencil with a very sharp knife while muttering under his breath about the value of loyalty. A helpful reminder to colleagues as they walk past to vote.
All this stuff about Boris being lazy. I am myself profoundly lazy (excellent Ken Bruce gag: I am a recovering workaholic, I've been clean these 40 years) and the most obvious manifestation of that laziness is the amount of time I spend on PB. I would invite Boris's critics to consider how well qualified they are to criticise, and whether they have written as many books as Boris has in his spare time, and whether they realise what fecking hard work it is writing books - even short, bad ones.
I sense (but do not know) that he is intellectually lazy as opposed to indolent.
Yes, to write a book, a proper one, any book of say 30,000 words or more, takes a concerted effort of which probably the majority of people are not capable.
I wrote one a few years ago and it wore me out. I could not write one now.
You’re assuming that he did the actual writing and research himself. A literary agent and publisher friends of mine have some stories to tell about authors who do remarkably little actual writing.
I assume Boles, Soubry, Allen and Wollaston probably all would have voted Stewart.
It would be amusing if Stewart gets 32 and eliminated by 1 that any of them could have given him. If none had quit he would be pretty certainly safe already.
You’re assuming that he did the actual writing and research himself. A literary agent and publisher friends of mine have some stories to tell about authors who do remarkably little actual writing.
Yes, I can imagine. If you can sell it on your name it must be tempting (if you are not in love with the creative process) to take a ride. Writing is quite an onerous activity. Even somebody with a lot of natural talent has to work hard to produce something which is both lengthy and genuinely good.
You’re assuming that he did the actual writing and research himself. A literary agent and publisher friends of mine have some stories to tell about authors who do remarkably little actual writing.
I had dinner with a chap who claimed to have written much of Boris’ Churchill Factor Book. Don’t know how true it was, however, the individual in question was a historian and has published on Churchill.
You’re assuming that he did the actual writing and research himself. A literary agent and publisher friends of mine have some stories to tell about authors who do remarkably little actual writing.
I had dinner with a chap who claimed to have written much of Boris’ Churchill Factor Book. Don’t know how true it was, however, the individual in question was a historian and has published on Churchill.
Who knows.
Well if it was him I'm afraid he's neither a good writer nor a good historian.
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Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.
AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
The "low energy" jibes from the Boris camp are pure Trump, but they kinda strike home (especially contrasted to Rory).
Someone's got it wrong, either the bettors or those speculating the ERG will flee to Raab.
HS2 appears much more speculative - and it seems outrageously expensive, to the layman.
If Boris is gonna cancel anything it will be HS2, IMHO. Suddenly he has more money for other projects.
I wonder whether Saj is so confident because Boris lent him some votes...because if he went home surely a lot of his votes would go to Rory...
I wouldn't reach much into it.
It is fully within the government's ability to decide not to go ahead with HR3 (I hope they don't, though).
For that reason only I hope he squeaks through.
Boris = Dr Evil
Cold, hard rain. Like late November. Wrist-slitting stuff.
Leaving aside my own interests (*cough*buybooksbyThaddeusWhite*cough), I do have serious concerns at the difficult and worsening prospects for making money writing. Even £10,000 a year (far more than I make from it) is significantly above average, and piracy makes things very difficult.
If this persists then we're going to have a tiny number of superstars, a few people doing well, and everyone else writing will be independently wealthy or doing it as a hobby. The talented average man simply won't be able to afford it, and we'll miss out on thousands of great books because the market is simply dysfunctional.
[I am, incidentally, available for hire as a writer, whether creatively or factual, where I also have some experience].
Mein gott, they are absolutely obsessed with trans issues. Probably 70% of the comments were on that. Fair play to Davey, he stood his ground and answered "you're evidently not going to agree with me on this".
He's not the same bank job Leadsom was at this point.
There are many candidates for the title of the worst thing David Cameron did to the country, but inventing or at least approving that fallacious sanctimonious general purpose drek of an argument in the AV campaign is a strong contender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2dhD9zR6hk
More to the point, what's the problem with the resurrection of the dead anyway? Surely that would be more like a Brexit bonus...
I'm betting in anticipation of the Betfair market as much as anything else.
Yes, to write a book, a proper one, any book of say 30,000 words or more, takes a concerted effort of which probably the majority of people are not capable.
I wrote one a few years ago and it wore me out. I could not write one now.
... and I thought that Boris used his spare time to do his actual job ?
The gambler's curse.
It would be amusing if Stewart gets 32 and eliminated by 1 that any of them could have given him. If none had quit he would be pretty certainly safe already.
Could be one of the most depressing things about the new regime.
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1140994171483955200
Who knows.