On a different note this weeks economic stats from North American manufacturing to Australian house prices to German economic sentiment to UK bond auctions ** are suggesting imminent recession:
Now things might change for the better but perhaps the candidates might be asked what they would do when the next recession occurs instead of their fantasy tax cuts posturing.
** Looks like the government is flogging 10 year bonds at an average yield of 0.89%.
The US figures in particular look alarming.
(But as you regularly remind me, I have been caught out by indicators before.)
Trump will make sure that the money continues to be pumped and interest rates stay on the floor until after he is safely re-elected. I don't see a significant US slowdown before 2020.
The longer the delay the worse it could be.
Sure, but never mistake Trump with someone who cares.
I doubt he's much different to the average politician with their attention span stretching until the next election.
He's merely more crude and more blatant.
Hammond has built up the capacity to increase government spending quite sharply whilst keeping borrowing on a declining path. I must have missed all the candidates for the leadership saying thank you whilst they promise ever more largesse in a frankly very untory way.
I'm glad he's continued to pursue fiscal rectitude.
I believe you said you voted leave to teach our leaders that they are not in charge. It worked, albeit not in the way you intended.
Don't believe so. I do think that they didn't have the right to delegate as much power as they have to Europe without authorisation, so that may be what you are thinking about?
I was thinking of your post on the day of the referendum explaining why you voted Leave.
Voting to Leave, was, for me, a way for the people of this country to show the Westminster clique who is in charge. It was a way to force them to be accountable for their actions. It was a way to make them think about what is right for all of the people of this country, not just to focus on the headline numbers and ignore those who get left behind.
We can, and should, be better than that as a party and as a country. The Conservatives used to be the party of the One Nation. They have forgotten how to do that - and I fear they have forgotten what it even means.
To lead is to serve. Our leaders need to be taught that they are not in charge. Vote Leave: take control.
Who wanted to listen? Not Leavers. They didn't want any compromise from their "pure" Brexit.
I've spoken to a number of Remainers who were involved in the early attempts, and they just got blanked until they shifted to their harder stance. As shown by your own lack of any memory of it.
And, to supplement that, I do recall reading fairly frequently in the months following the referendum, that Single Market membership would be incompatible with Brexit due to Freedom of Movement issues.
I certainly remember reading that - it struck me as part of an argument, but it was a while later.
Even from the days of Gina Miller's original case in 2016 there was a perception of trying to overturn the result.
Oh, that perception has been there since the very start. I think it became a self-fulfilling prophecy, to be honest - many fervent Leavers decided early on that "they" would steal Brexit from them, and it drove their "no compromises" stance. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Don't settle for Brexit in Name Only. Saboteurs. Traitors. We still see the simplistic persecution narrative here - if anything, it's got more strident.
I fully accept there were some on the Remain side who also didn't want the slightest compromise, but they were, at the start, a pronounced minority. Those willing to accept the result ended up driven out of the centre.
I've probably gone in the opposite direction Immediately after the referendum I wanted to somehow still remain, even though I thought it was very unlikely Now that it seems like a real possibility I'm not so sure. I think the best option is the one that the smallest possible number of people would really hate, which I think would be Efta Single Market, even though I think it's still worse for the UK than remaining.
It might, on the other hand, be better for the rest of the EU than the UK remaining.
It's a shame that Labour didn't make the logical and coherent argument for this option, then it would probably be high on the agenda now instead of completely ignored.
Are we going to see ERG desert Boris tonight? They must have seen the stuff on twitter about Boris comments about transitions, Malthouse etc etc. Not the No Deal in October they have been promised.
Should England be concerned that a team yet to score 200 in the CWC are currently 95/2? It suggests that their bowling attack is not as potent as they like to think.
Should England be concerned that a team yet to score 200 in the CWC are currently 95/2? It suggests that their bowling attack is not as potent as they like to think.
Flat track. Bowlers not trying too hard and thereby risking injury, as the match is already won. Etc.
This particular game is a reminder of just how boring ODIs can be.
If it is true it would be very funny. Serve the headbangers right for thinking it OK to back a serial liar. they will show their extreme gullibility once more for all to see.
Are we going to see ERG desert Boris tonight? They must have seen the stuff on twitter about Boris comments about transitions, Malthouse etc etc. Not the No Deal in October they have been promised.
I don't think they'll "desert" him but I would imagine just enough will switch from Boris to Raab to ensure Raab gets through and they have a "plan b"...
In the ludicrously unlikely event that Boris can't be trusted you understand.
Pigs are also highly intelligent. I refer you to the quote by General Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord….
Well I don't know about HIGHLY intelligent but, yes, as both 'clever and lazy' they are, per that theory, eminently suitable for positions such as Prime Minister.
I refute that - totally - but I do think that they are cruelly and unfairly maligned.
Greedy pig. Pig ignorant. Thick as pig shit. Etc.
It's not on. Do we think they don't hear all of this nasty stuff?
It is completely obvious Boris is going to do a brisk volte-face in office, and betray the hardcore ERGers, and the Leaverish party members. They will vote for him anyway, because Boris, and because Corbyn.
Gove +29 Javid +27 Boris +5 Hunt +1 Raab +1 Stewart -10
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.
Who wanted to listen? Not Leavers. They didn't want any compromise from their "pure" Brexit. Not Tory Remainers. They knew that their Party was doomed if it didn't successfully deliver a Brexit that would satisfy the Leavers. Remainers were discouraged, disconsolate, and - quite quickly - not in the mood for compromise. After all, they were told they weren't welcome (yes, I know we've been told May's "Citizens of Nowhere" speech was intended differently, but given that "Citizen of the World" is literally what "cosmopolitan" means, it was one hell of a blunder from a professional communicator at the very least; a deliberate dog-whistle at worst (and a dog-whistle that turned out to be actually just a whistle). In addition, May and the Tories made it very very clear that EFTA/Single Market membership was very much excluded by their red lines.
I've spoken to a number of Remainers who were involved in the early attempts, and they just got blanked until they shifted to their harder stance. As shown by your own lack of any memory of it.
And, to supplement that, I do recall reading fairly frequently in the months following the referendum, that Single Market membership would be incompatible with Brexit due to Freedom of Movement issues.
I certainly remember reading that - it struck me as part of an argument, but it was a while later.
Even from the days of Gina Miller's original case in 2016 there was a perception of trying to overturn the result.
Oh, that perception has been there since the very start. I think it became a self-fulfilling prophecy, to be honest - many fervent Leavers decided early on that "they" would steal Brexit from them, and it drove their "no compromises" stance. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Don't settle for Brexit in Name Only. Saboteurs. Traitors. We still see the simplistic persecution narrative here - if anything, it's got more strident.
I fully accept there were some on the Remain side who also didn't want the slightest compromise, but they were, at the start, a pronounced minority. Those willing to accept the result ended up driven out of the centre.
Agree they were a small number, but they were unfortunately a group of very high profile / senior individuals? (I have a vague memory of Clegg or someone of his sort of level making some comments early on - it might have been Farron?)
Gove +29 Javid +27 Boris +5 Hunt +1 Raab +1 Stewart -10
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
I thought he was worse than shocking in the debate (as I may, ahem, have mentioned already).
Are people really taken in by that faux sincerity, shouty, me me me bollocks? Probably yes but what a shame.
I think Gove is a complex chap. His Brexititus clearly comes from childhood anger about how his adopted father's business was damaged by the common fisheries policy. I wonder whether he is having second thoughts. Wondering how many children are about to have their lives damaged by their father's or mother's job or business being wrecked by a mad policy called Brexit? And for what purpose? Absolutely sweet FA
I believe you said you voted leave to teach our leaders that they are not in charge. It worked, albeit not in the way you intended.
Don't believe so. I do think that they didn't have the right to delegate as much power as they have to Europe without authorisation, so that may be what you are thinking about?
I was thinking of your post on the day of the referendum explaining why you voted Leave.
Voting to Leave, was, for me, a way for the people of this country to show the Westminster clique who is in charge. It was a way to force them to be accountable for their actions. It was a way to make them think about what is right for all of the people of this country, not just to focus on the headline numbers and ignore those who get left behind.
We can, and should, be better than that as a party and as a country. The Conservatives used to be the party of the One Nation. They have forgotten how to do that - and I fear they have forgotten what it even means.
To lead is to serve. Our leaders need to be taught that they are not in charge. Vote Leave: take control.
fair enough - I don't think those are inconsistent (or at least as you phrased it - not deliberately - it implies a different meaning). Essentially it is about accountability and focusing on the individuals that make up the country not the aggregate numbers
I believe you said you voted leave to teach our leaders that they are not in charge. It worked, albeit not in the way you intended.
Don't believe so. I do think that they didn't have the right to delegate as much power as they have to Europe without authorisation, so that may be what you are thinking about?
I was thinking of your post on the day of the referendum explaining why you voted Leave.
Voting to Leave, was, for me, a way for the people of this country to show the Westminster clique who is in charge. It was a way to force them to be accountable for their actions. It was a way to make them think about what is right for all of the people of this country, not just to focus on the headline numbers and ignore those who get left behind.
We can, and should, be better than that as a party and as a country. The Conservatives used to be the party of the One Nation. They have forgotten how to do that - and I fear they have forgotten what it even means.
To lead is to serve. Our leaders need to be taught that they are not in charge. Vote Leave: take control.
You keep a library of people’s old posts?
I've tried to find that comment myself in a moment of Governmental crisis (after the third MV failed, I think) - it was such an inspiring one!
Meh, the decision to build it has been made and his side lost. Time to move on.
Yes. There are lots of reason to abhor Boris, but changing your mind on a massively important infrastructural project that has been laboriously approved by parliament, and has now seen off its High Court challenges, is not a "U-turn", it is accepting a new reality.
that should read "four years after he vowed to lie, down before the bulldozers". Inserting a comma makes this more believable. Boris doesn't mind where, and how often he lies. He can't help himself.
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.
Gove +29 Javid +27 Boris +5 Hunt +1 Raab +1 Stewart -10
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.
Orwell really was brilliant. My favourite equivalent is whoever you vote for the government always gets in.
And on pigs they are generally thought to be quite intelligent. You may be on to something.
Yes, the consensus on here is that pigs are brain boxes who do not like to put the work in. The case that we are about to have one as PM is becoming unanswerable.
There is some truth in the "all the same" sentiment - trouble is, it does feed that sterile, knee jerk cynicism about politics and politicians which is IMO misplaced and unhealthy.
On the whole, I respect politicians. Or to be more precise, there are many other professions that I hold in lower esteem than theirs.
Investment banking, for example. My old stamping ground.
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.
"Brexiturds" is really ugly, and unpleasant, and, worst of all, won't be taken up by anyone else, making you look idiotic and mad.
Gove +29 Javid +27 Boris +5 Hunt +1 Raab +1 Stewart -10
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.
Gove +29 Javid +27 Boris +5 Hunt +1 Raab +1 Stewart -10
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
I thought he was worse than shocking in the debate (as I may, ahem, have mentioned already).
Are people really taken in by that faux sincerity, shouty, me me me bollocks? Probably yes but what a shame.
It was so woefully below par it wasn't really him.
Maybe he's been holed beneath the waterline?
It was old fashioned Tory PPC selection profile - the most solipsistic shouty candidate generally got the gig. I think things have changed since then but yes, perhaps it was trying to compensate for what, with the drugs/hypocrite thing, was a very damaging episode.
Gove +29 Javid +27 Boris +5 Hunt +1 Raab +1 Stewart -10
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.
Gove +29 Javid +27 Boris +5 Hunt +1 Raab +1 Stewart -10
I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.
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Not dead? You're sure?
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1140994171483955200
Just in the unlikely event Boris happens to be stringing them along...
Raab is the most consistent of all the candidates. It would be shocking if he were to win but at least you would know what was in store.
Who can honestly say they know what the fuck Boris as PM would mean?
It might, on the other hand, be better for the rest of the EU than the UK remaining.
It's a shame that Labour didn't make the logical and coherent argument for this option, then it would probably be high on the agenda now instead of completely ignored.
Some few escape the candidate screening unscathed and arrive with them in situ, but these are swiftly dealt with.
Get back to you about pigs.
This particular game is a reminder of just how boring ODIs can be.
https://twitter.com/isaby
In the ludicrously unlikely event that Boris can't be trusted you understand.
How does Boris get a Deal before 31 October 2019?
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1140939431832150017
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1140940089901703170
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1140940614118383616
I refute that - totally - but I do think that they are cruelly and unfairly maligned.
Greedy pig.
Pig ignorant.
Thick as pig shit.
Etc.
It's not on. Do we think they don't hear all of this nasty stuff?
Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
Are people really taken in by that faux sincerity, shouty, me me me bollocks? Probably yes but what a shame.
This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
Maybe he's been holed beneath the waterline?
There is some truth in the "all the same" sentiment - trouble is, it does feed that sterile, knee jerk cynicism about politics and politicians which is IMO misplaced and unhealthy.
On the whole, I respect politicians. Or to be more precise, there are many other professions that I hold in lower esteem than theirs.
Investment banking, for example. My old stamping ground.