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Biden, Sanders and Trump are all younger than you Nick.NickPalmer said:I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.
That must make you feel young again.
Or maybe middle aged again
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MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.williamglenn said:0 -
I believe they are older!another_richard said:
Biden, Sanders and Trump are all younger than you Nick.NickPalmer said:I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.
That must make you feel young again.
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I think if the Democrat candidate is older than Trump he or she will stand a good chance. If they're younger they won't.another_richard said:
Biden, Sanders and Trump are all younger than you Nick.NickPalmer said:I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.
That must make you feel young again.
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Good read.Stereotomy said:NickPalmer said:I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.
https://jacobinmag.com/2019/04/pete-buttigieg-president-democratic-primary0 -
I don't think he's yet well known enough to give you reliable polling against Trump. That polling order almost exactly coincides with name recognition, with the exception that Kamala Harris seems to be overperforming a touch and Elizabeth Warren underperforming.NickPalmer said:I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.0 -
The lack of rumours leads me to believe this is a fairly safe hold 40 percent to 30 percent0
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Theresa May has similar levels of charisma to John Major, and in 1992 the public actually liked him because of it, but unfortunately developments since then like reality TV and the fetish for "emoting in public" meant that by 2017 most people under the age of 50 didn't appreciate Mrs May's lack of it.Philip_Thompson said:
A few off the top of my head, could be done individually or in combination, coming from all sort of backs - though some are contradictory with others.another_richard said:
As there are 'lots of ways forward better than Mays' perhaps you could list a few.TGOHF said:
Are you seriously telling me that a new leader couldn’t raise morale and enchance party unity ?another_richard said:
That's still not telling us how it would be better and how that would be achieved.TGOHF said:
To be better. Don’t be so binary. A sandwich with one turd in it is better than one with two.another_richard said:
To be replaced by whom in order to achieve what ?TGOHF said:
They expect MPs to dump this crap PM.kle4 said:
I'm lost because I don't know what these activists expected given they can presumably count and can see that the PM doesn't have the numbers to even no deal, given workarounds are being made there. Do they think she opened talks with Corbyn lightly?rottenborough said:Telegraph: "Grassroots Conservative activists are "quitting in their droves", it has been claimed, as new polling shows that more than 90 per cent disagree with Theresa May's decision to open talks with Jeremy Corbyn."
I'm lost now.
I thought Blue Momentum was trying to get extra people to join to vote for Boris?
At least see if it goes anywhere first, see what the cost is. Because simply being open to working with others, even opponents, is not wrong. Particularly when you lack a majority.
There are lots of ways forward better than Mays. Virtually any approach is.
1: Take actions necessary to prepare for and enact No Deal if necessary [should have been done from start]
2: Have a General Election led by someone with more charisma than a zombie.
3: Have a PM with more charisma than a zombie.
4: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a referendum.
5: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a General Election to break the deadlock.
6: Be prepared to sack Chris Grayling*
* Doesn't solve Brexit but still worth doing.0 -
Correct.justin124 said:
I believe they are older!another_richard said:
Biden, Sanders and Trump are all younger than you Nick.NickPalmer said:I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.
That must make you feel young again.
Or maybe middle aged again
I meant older not younger.
Time for some sleep.0 -
He's a very clever and charming bloke, which may not be enough nationally. In fact, it almost certainly isn't. But it's very much enough to build a devoted following in a primary. "Harmless centrist" betrays your own thinking, he's in many ways the substance people wish Beto had. And God deliver us all from the ludicrous vacuous bilge of Sanders.NickPalmer said:I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.
Now, my gut would tell me he'd do badly in a presidential election, but polls against Trump are meaningless except for established candidates (Biden, Warren, Sanders). He'll do well in the early primary stages, which is what he wants, before deferring, joining a bigger campaign, hope for a big job and look to run again having broken a few barriers. A good trading bet.0 -
She is far more socially awkward than John Major ever was. Major was seen as a breath of fresh air in 1992 after Thatcher.AndyJS said:
Theresa May has similar levels of charisma to John Major, and in 1992 the public actually liked him because of it, but unfortunately developments since then like reality TV and the fetish for "emoting in public" meant that by 2017 most people under the age of 50 didn't appreciate Mrs May's lack of it as they did in 92 for Major.Philip_Thompson said:
A few off the top of my head, could be done individually or in combination, coming from all sort of backs - though some are contradictory with others.another_richard said:
As there are 'lots of ways forward better than Mays' perhaps you could list a few.TGOHF said:
Are you seriously telling me that a new leader couldn’t raise morale and enchance party unity ?another_richard said:
That's still not telling us how it would be better and how that would be achieved.TGOHF said:
To be better. Don’t be so binary. A sandwich with one turd in it is better than one with two.another_richard said:
To be replaced by whom in order to achieve what ?TGOHF said:
They expect MPs to dump this crap PM.kle4 said:
I'm lost because I don't know what these activists expected given they can presumably count and can see that the PM doesn't have the numbers to even no deal, given workarounds are being made there. Do they think she opened talks with Corbyn lightly?rottenborough said:Telegraph: "Grassroots Conservative activists are "quitting in their droves", it has been claimed, as new polling shows that more than 90 per cent disagree with Theresa May's decision to open talks with Jeremy Corbyn."
I'm lost now.
I thought Blue Momentum was trying to get extra people to join to vote for Boris?
At least see if it goes anywhere first, see what the cost is. Because simply being open to working with others, even opponents, is not wrong. Particularly when you lack a majority.
There are lots of ways forward better than Mays. Virtually any approach is.
1: Take actions necessary to prepare for and enact No Deal if necessary [should have been done from start]
2: Have a General Election led by someone with more charisma than a zombie.
3: Have a PM with more charisma than a zombie.
4: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a referendum.
5: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a General Election to break the deadlock.
6: Be prepared to sack Chris Grayling*
* Doesn't solve Brexit but still worth doing.0 -
Plaid say they are 4th0
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I think that's unfair on John Major. In 1992 Major got on his soapbox in a way May well and truly did not in 2017.AndyJS said:
Theresa May has similar levels of charisma to John Major, and in 1992 the public actually liked him because of it, but unfortunately developments since then like reality TV and the fetish for "emoting in public" meant that by 2017 most people under the age of 50 didn't appreciate Mrs May's lack of it as they did in 92 for Major.Philip_Thompson said:
A few off the top of my head, could be done individually or in combination, coming from all sort of backs - though some are contradictory with others.another_richard said:
As there are 'lots of ways forward better than Mays' perhaps you could list a few.TGOHF said:
Are you seriously telling me that a new leader couldn’t raise morale and enchance party unity ?another_richard said:
That's still not telling us how it would be better and how that would be achieved.TGOHF said:
To be better. Don’t be so binary. A sandwich with one turd in it is better than one with two.another_richard said:
To be replaced by whom in order to achieve what ?TGOHF said:
They expect MPs to dump this crap PM.kle4 said:
I'm lost because I don't know what these activists expected given they can presumably count and can see that the PM doesn't have the numbers to even no deal, given workarounds are being made there. Do they think she opened talks with Corbyn lightly?rottenborough said:Telegraph: "Grassroots Conservative activists are "quitting in their droves", it has been claimed, as new polling shows that more than 90 per cent disagree with Theresa May's decision to open talks with Jeremy Corbyn."
I'm lost now.
I thought Blue Momentum was trying to get extra people to join to vote for Boris?
At least see if it goes anywhere first, see what the cost is. Because simply being open to working with others, even opponents, is not wrong. Particularly when you lack a majority.
There are lots of ways forward better than Mays. Virtually any approach is.
1: Take actions necessary to prepare for and enact No Deal if necessary [should have been done from start]
2: Have a General Election led by someone with more charisma than a zombie.
3: Have a PM with more charisma than a zombie.
4: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a referendum.
5: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a General Election to break the deadlock.
6: Be prepared to sack Chris Grayling*
* Doesn't solve Brexit but still worth doing.0 -
Indeed. I'm standing for the council for the first time in my life.justin124 said:
I believe they are older!another_richard said:
Biden, Sanders and Trump are all younger than you Nick.NickPalmer said:I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.
That must make you feel young again.
Or maybe middle aged again
Each youngster has a different idea of fun. Actually potentially meeting every voter over a few years...0 -
I may have just made a bad bet. Glad its just a tenner for charity.marke09 said:
Siôn Jenkins
@Sion_J
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They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest0 -
Having seen both May and Major in person, Major is actually quite charismatic one to one, May rather less so. I would say May is the brighter of the two though. In 2017 May also got the highest Tory voteshare since Major in 1992.AndyJS said:
Theresa May has similar levels of charisma to John Major, and in 1992 the public actually liked him because of it, but unfortunately developments since then like reality TV and the fetish for "emoting in public" meant that by 2017 most people under the age of 50 didn't appreciate Mrs May's lack of it.Philip_Thompson said:
A few off the top of my head, could be done individually or in combination, coming from all sort of backs - though some are contradictory with others.another_richard said:
d better than Mays' perhaps you could list a few.TGOHF said:
r than Mays. Virtually any approach is.another_richard said:
That's still not telling us how it would be better and how that would be achieved.TGOHF said:
To be better. Don’t be so binary. A sandwich with one turd in it is better than one with two.another_richard said:
To be replaced by whom in order to achieve what ?TGOHF said:
They expect MPs to dump this crap PM.kle4 said:
I'm lost because I don't know what these activists expected given they can presumably count and can see that the PM doesn't have the numbers to even no deal, given workarounds are being made there. Do they think she opened talks with Corbyn lightly?rottenborough said:Telegraph: "Grassroots Conservative activists are "quitting in their droves", it has been claimed, as new polling shows that more than 90 per cent disagree with Theresa May's decision to open talks with Jeremy Corbyn."
I'm lost now.
I thought Blue Momentum was trying to get extra people to join to vote for Boris?
At least see if it goes anywhere first, see what the cost is. Because simply being open to working with others, even opponents, is not wrong. Particularly when you lack a majority.
1: Take actions necessary to prepare for and enact No Deal if necessary [should have been done from start]
2: Have a General Election led by someone with more charisma than a zombie.
3: Have a PM with more charisma than a zombie.
4: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a referendum.
5: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a General Election to break the deadlock.
6: Be prepared to sack Chris Grayling*
* Doesn't solve Brexit but still worth doing.
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I am confident my Charity would be Ashgate Hospice what is yours.Philip_Thompson said:
I may have just made a bad bet. Glad its just a tenner for charity.marke09 said:
Siôn Jenkins
@Sion_J
39s40 seconds ago
They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest0 -
I suspect earlier confidence was the postals, we are now seeing the votes on the day.marke09 said:
Siôn Jenkins
@Sion_J
39s40 seconds ago
They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest
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Well looks like Wales will stay with England then whatever happens with Scotland and NIbigjohnowls said:Plaid say they are 4th
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Neil Hamilton not confident - playing down chances and says Tory vote did not collapse as hoped0
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The agents do.brendan16 said:
Shame we won't get to see the comments written on those spoilt ballots!marke09 said:@DeansOfCardiff
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Candidate agents being summoned to discuss spoiled ballots #NewportWest
I was a bit disappointed when I was an agent for a couple of local elections that no-one seemed animated enough by the contests to spoil their ballots in a memorable way.0 -
Is Neil Hamilton ill? He looks shocking...dyedwoolie said:Neil Hamilton not confident - playing down chances and says Tory vote did not collapse as hoped
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Oooh could be paying a £10 to It's charity yet.dyedwoolie said:Neil Hamilton not confident - playing down chances and says Tory vote did not collapse as hoped
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Counting is over0
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Ian Craig
@ArgusICraig
5m5 minutes ago
General mood around the place is this is Labour's, and possibly by a decent margin #NewportWest
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This part of Wales is terrible for the idea of independence, low Welsh speaking levels and just not generally good hunting ground for Plaid. Places like Newport would be like the bigger cities in Brexit with strong remain/stay votes.HYUFD said:
Well looks like Wales will stay with England then whatever happens with Scotland and NIbigjohnowls said:Plaid say they are 4th
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God I hope I lose a tenner. Hamilton is a racist0
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The British are going to be involved in the EUMS whether brexit happens or not as the alternative is to spend (a lot) more on defence. It will probably settle on something like the French involvement in NATO: "inserted but not integrated".nico67 said:
The UK would have a veto on an EU army if it was still in , the same veto it would also have on Turkey joining .isam said:0 -
Fourth would be good for Plaid here, seeing off alternatives in a weak area for them.HYUFD said:
Well looks like Wales will stay with England then whatever happens with Scotland and NIbigjohnowls said:Plaid say they are 4th
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Result imminent apparently0
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What did he say?bigjohnowls said:God I hope I lose a tenner. Hamilton is a racist
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On about Soros moneyAndyJS said:
What did he say?bigjohnowls said:God I hope I lose a tenner. Hamilton is a racist
Also saying a lot of people think like Tommy R0 -
Baby Beat Appeal.bigjohnowls said:
I am confident my Charity would be Ashgate Hospice what is yours.Philip_Thompson said:
I may have just made a bad bet. Glad its just a tenner for charity.marke09 said:
Siôn Jenkins
@Sion_J
39s40 seconds ago
They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest0 -
For once I agree with you. The idea Newport is Plaid country is absurd.TheJezziah said:
This part of Wales is terrible for the idea of independence, low Welsh speaking levels and just not generally good hunting ground for Plaid. Places like Newport would be like the bigger cities in Brexit with strong remain/stay votes.HYUFD said:
Well looks like Wales will stay with England then whatever happens with Scotland and NIbigjohnowls said:Plaid say they are 4th
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Did any PBers bet on the Dunfermline by-election, when the odds still favoured the losing candidate about 30 seconds before the announcement?0
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Doubt he believes any of that bullshit he said about Yaxley-Lennon. He'a the ultimate chancer...bigjohnowls said:God I hope I lose a tenner. Hamilton is a racist
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Ld candidate not even there! He had a long standing committment! At 1.10am0
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Andrew Neil on the Lib Dems - genuine lol!!!!!0
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The LD's "local candidate" isn't at the count.0
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On a people's vote March!!dyedwoolie said:Ld candidate not even there!
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What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?0
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The mind boggles.Philip_Thompson said:What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
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Guessing there's a big delay streaming This Week on iPlayer.0
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Can't stop laughing. Think I've had enough.Philip_Thompson said:What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
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Assange just about to be kicked out of embassy according to Sky0
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He's been abusing their hospitality a long time now.Floater said:Assange just about to be kicked out of embassy according to Sky
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Lucky man/lady/sheepPhilip_Thompson said:What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
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Andrew Neil about Labour policy on Brexit - lol0
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Maybe he's holding a Skype meeting with someone in Australia.Philip_Thompson said:What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
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Neil offering a fake sneer to Plaid - "if you double your vote it'll be 4%" - er, no, it'll be over 5%. Time he retired. Mind you, the Plaid speaker didn't seem to know either.0
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Spot onMJW said:
he's in many ways the substance people wish Beto had.NickPalmer said:I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.0 -
Oh is that what it's called?AndyJS said:
Maybe he's holding a Skype meeting with someone in Australia.Philip_Thompson said:What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
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I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thingAndyJS said:
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.williamglenn said:
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.0 -
Yet another Lib-Dem lost deposit?dyedwoolie said:Ld candidate not even there! He had a long standing committment! At 1.10am
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£77k for a Part Time job is very reasonable indeed.viewcode said:
I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thingAndyJS said:
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.williamglenn said:
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.0 -
Say you have a failing backup cron and you're also running in a by-election, you'd want to concentrate on the by-election until the voting was done, then get on fixing that backup before you do anything else.Philip_Thompson said:What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
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Live link to LD candidate at local Cineworld0
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Indeed.Philip_Thompson said:
£77k for a Part Time job is very reasonable indeed.viewcode said:
I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thingAndyJS said:
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.williamglenn said:
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.0 -
Re: the LD, infamously the LD by-election literature had a typo with the wrong election date....0
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Winning Herebrokenwheel said:Re: the LD, infamously the LD by-election literature had a typo with the wrong election date....
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Have you ever met an MP? I've never met one who worked less than 6 days a week, and the 7th tends to get eaten oo.viewcode said:
I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thingAndyJS said:
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.williamglenn said:
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.0 -
No - it will actually be under 5%. 4.96% to be exact.NickPalmer said:Neil offering a fake sneer to Plaid - "if you double your vote it'll be 4%" - er, no, it'll be over 5%. Time he retired. Mind you, the Plaid speaker didn't seem to know either.
Sorry to be pedantic!
Here we go....0 -
What's a backup?edmundintokyo said:
Say you have a failing backup cron and you're also running in a by-election, you'd want to concentrate on the by-election until the voting was done, then get on fixing that backup before you do anything else.Philip_Thompson said:What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
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My radio is playing backwards0
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Oh no it's Welshbigjohnowls said:My radio is playing backwards
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It's what we say about PB when you've fixed it.rcs1000 said:
What's a backup?edmundintokyo said:
Say you have a failing backup cron and you're also running in a by-election, you'd want to concentrate on the by-election until the voting was done, then get on fixing that backup before you do anything else.Philip_Thompson said:What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
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Labour HOLD Newport West. Ruth Jones new MP.0
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Yes and tensions have been rising for a while.AndyJS said:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/03/ecuador-says-julian-assange-violated-asylum-terms-london-embassy/3350973002/0 -
Never heard a returning officer read out the list of candidates before the votes before.0
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LAB 9308
CON 7357
UKIP 20230 -
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A swing to the Tories surely?0
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swing to conservatives of a minimal amount0
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Here are the results - a Labour majority of nearly 2,000 - if I heard it right.
Labour 9,308
Con 7,357
UKIP 2,023
Plaid 1,185
Ld 1,088
Green 924
Renew 879
SDP 202
For Britain 159
Abolish Welsh Assembly 205
Democrats and Vets 185
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LAB: 39.6% (-12.7)
CON: 31.3% (-8.0)
UKIP: 8.6% (+6.1)
PC: 5.0% (+2.6)
LDEM: 4.6% (+2.4)
GRN: 3.9% (+2.8)
RNW: 3.7% (+3.7)
ATWA: 0.9% (+0.9)
SDP: 0.9% (+0.9)
D&V: 0.8% (+0.8)
FBM: 0.7% (+0.7)
Labour HOLD.0 -
Maj 5658 down to 1951 (+13% down to +8.3%), on a way lower turnout.0
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Hardly a shabby result for the Tories given the current turmoil.0 -
Except Newport voted Leave just as Wales voted Leave.TheJezziah said:
This part of Wales is terrible for the idea of independence, low Welsh speaking levels and just not generally good hunting ground for Plaid. Places like Newport would be like the bigger cities in Brexit with strong remain/stay votes.HYUFD said:
Well looks like Wales will stay with England then whatever happens with Scotland and NIbigjohnowls said:Plaid say they are 4th
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The complaints sound similar to those about footballers.NickPalmer said:
Have you ever met an MP? I've never met one who worked less than 6 days a week, and the 7th tends to get eaten oo.viewcode said:
I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thingAndyJS said:
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.williamglenn said:
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.
Even if you think they don't deserve a break or they earn enough to go without one it makes sense to make sure they are rested (mentally and physically) if you want them to give you their peak performance.
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Thought Con vote was meant to be plummeting following this week's events with everyone cutting up membership cards?
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dyedwoolie said:
swing to conservatives of a minimal amount
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Newport West is definitely trending to the Tories over the long term, which isn't surprising given it's very white, older than average, non-trendy, lower middle-class, etc.0
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2.3% swing Lab to Conmarke09 said:LAB: 39.6% (-12.7)
CON: 31.3% (-8.0)
UKIP: 8.6% (+6.1)
PC: 5.0% (+2.6)
LDEM: 4.6% (+2.4)
GRN: 3.9% (+2.8)
RNW: 3.7% (+3.7)
ATWA: 0.9% (+0.9)
SDP: 0.9% (+0.9)
D&V: 0.8% (+0.8)
FBM: 0.7% (+0.7)
Labour HOLD.0 -
UKIP, the Lib Dems, Plaid and the Greens all put on raw votes versus 2017.0
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You could get 4/5 on the Tories finishing 2nd last night. Free money in retrospect.0
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LAB-CON swing 2.4%0
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Apparently Julian Assange is about to be expelled from the Ecuadorian embassy in the next few hours or days according to Wikileaks. Will he be arrested by the Met and extradited.
https://news.sky.com/story/wikileaks-julian-assange-to-be-expelled-within-hours-to-days-116845490 -
Done.bigjohnowls said:0 -
Not a bad acceptance speech as these things go. Result a bit meh all round.
Incidentally, the Guardian vox pop report on the by-election seems to have been a classic of "find some people to make a story" - the article made it sound as though Renew was having a huge surge, whereas they actually lost their deposit. I suspect the journalist interviewed a lot of people and picked out the ones who fitted the story.0 -
UKIP biggest gainers tonight on voteshare, Labour and the Tories down, a warning to both to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal if they are to avoid being hit in Leave areasbigjohnowls said:
2.3% swing Lab to Conmarke09 said:LAB: 39.6% (-12.7)
CON: 31.3% (-8.0)
UKIP: 8.6% (+6.1)
PC: 5.0% (+2.6)
LDEM: 4.6% (+2.4)
GRN: 3.9% (+2.8)
RNW: 3.7% (+3.7)
ATWA: 0.9% (+0.9)
SDP: 0.9% (+0.9)
D&V: 0.8% (+0.8)
FBM: 0.7% (+0.7)
Labour HOLD.0 -
Kind of amazing to hear the dog not barking.marke09 said:LAB: 39.6% (-12.7)
CON: 31.3% (-8.0)
UKIP: 8.6% (+6.1)
PC: 5.0% (+2.6)
LDEM: 4.6% (+2.4)
GRN: 3.9% (+2.8)
RNW: 3.7% (+3.7)
ATWA: 0.9% (+0.9)
SDP: 0.9% (+0.9)
D&V: 0.8% (+0.8)
FBM: 0.7% (+0.7)
Labour HOLD.
This is totally what you'd expect for by-election in a seat held by an opposition party with a meh leader, up against a mid-term government that also has a meh leader. Normal vote share changes, normal turnout. No sign of anger, disillusionment, excitement or any other opinion about Brexit, a cabinet at war with itself, a leader who had totally lost her grip, a parliament in chaos.0
