I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.
I don't think he's yet well known enough to give you reliable polling against Trump. That polling order almost exactly coincides with name recognition, with the exception that Kamala Harris seems to be overperforming a touch and Elizabeth Warren underperforming.
Telegraph: "Grassroots Conservative activists are "quitting in their droves", it has been claimed, as new polling shows that more than 90 per cent disagree with Theresa May's decision to open talks with Jeremy Corbyn."
I'm lost now.
I thought Blue Momentum was trying to get extra people to join to vote for Boris?
I'm lost because I don't know what these activists expected given they can presumably count and can see that the PM doesn't have the numbers to even no deal, given workarounds are being made there. Do they think she opened talks with Corbyn lightly?
At least see if it goes anywhere first, see what the cost is. Because simply being open to working with others, even opponents, is not wrong. Particularly when you lack a majority.
They expect MPs to dump this crap PM.
To be replaced by whom in order to achieve what ?
To be better. Don’t be so binary. A sandwich with one turd in it is better than one with two.
That's still not telling us how it would be better and how that would be achieved.
Are you seriously telling me that a new leader couldn’t raise morale and enchance party unity ?
There are lots of ways forward better than Mays. Virtually any approach is.
As there are 'lots of ways forward better than Mays' perhaps you could list a few.
A few off the top of my head, could be done individually or in combination, coming from all sort of backs - though some are contradictory with others. 1: Take actions necessary to prepare for and enact No Deal if necessary [should have been done from start] 2: Have a General Election led by someone with more charisma than a zombie. 3: Have a PM with more charisma than a zombie. 4: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a referendum. 5: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a General Election to break the deadlock. 6: Be prepared to sack Chris Grayling*
* Doesn't solve Brexit but still worth doing.
Theresa May has similar levels of charisma to John Major, and in 1992 the public actually liked him because of it, but unfortunately developments since then like reality TV and the fetish for "emoting in public" meant that by 2017 most people under the age of 50 didn't appreciate Mrs May's lack of it.
I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
Biden still doing much the best, though I'd prefer Sanders myself.
He's a very clever and charming bloke, which may not be enough nationally. In fact, it almost certainly isn't. But it's very much enough to build a devoted following in a primary. "Harmless centrist" betrays your own thinking, he's in many ways the substance people wish Beto had. And God deliver us all from the ludicrous vacuous bilge of Sanders.
Now, my gut would tell me he'd do badly in a presidential election, but polls against Trump are meaningless except for established candidates (Biden, Warren, Sanders). He'll do well in the early primary stages, which is what he wants, before deferring, joining a bigger campaign, hope for a big job and look to run again having broken a few barriers. A good trading bet.
Telegraph: "Grassroots Conservative activists are "quitting in their droves", it has been claimed, as new polling shows that more than 90 per cent disagree with Theresa May's decision to open talks with Jeremy Corbyn."
I'm lost now.
I thought Blue Momentum was trying to get extra people to join to vote for Boris?
I'm lost because I don't know what these activists expected given they can presumably count and can see that the PM doesn't have the numbers to even no deal, given workarounds are being made there. Do they think she opened talks with Corbyn lightly?
At least see if it goes anywhere first, see what the cost is. Because simply being open to working with others, even opponents, is not wrong. Particularly when you lack a majority.
They expect MPs to dump this crap PM.
To be replaced by whom in order to achieve what ?
To be better. Don’t be so binary. A sandwich with one turd in it is better than one with two.
That's still not telling us how it would be better and how that would be achieved.
Are you seriously telling me that a new leader couldn’t raise morale and enchance party unity ?
There are lots of ways forward better than Mays. Virtually any approach is.
As there are 'lots of ways forward better than Mays' perhaps you could list a few.
A few off the top of my head, could be done individually or in combination, coming from all sort of backs - though some are contradictory with others. 1: Take actions necessary to prepare for and enact No Deal if necessary [should have been done from start] 2: Have a General Election led by someone with more charisma than a zombie. 3: Have a PM with more charisma than a zombie. 4: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a referendum. 5: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a General Election to break the deadlock. 6: Be prepared to sack Chris Grayling*
* Doesn't solve Brexit but still worth doing.
Theresa May has similar levels of charisma to John Major, and in 1992 the public actually liked him because of it, but unfortunately developments since then like reality TV and the fetish for "emoting in public" meant that by 2017 most people under the age of 50 didn't appreciate Mrs May's lack of it as they did in 92 for Major.
She is far more socially awkward than John Major ever was. Major was seen as a breath of fresh air in 1992 after Thatcher.
Telegraph: "Grassroots Conservative activists are "quitting in their droves", it has been claimed, as new polling shows that more than 90 per cent disagree with Theresa May's decision to open talks with Jeremy Corbyn."
I'm lost now.
I thought Blue Momentum was trying to get extra people to join to vote for Boris?
I'm lost because I don't know what these activists expected given they can presumably count and can see that the PM doesn't have the numbers to even no deal, given workarounds are being made there. Do they think she opened talks with Corbyn lightly?
At least see if it goes anywhere first, see what the cost is. Because simply being open to working with others, even opponents, is not wrong. Particularly when you lack a majority.
They expect MPs to dump this crap PM.
To be replaced by whom in order to achieve what ?
To be better. Don’t be so binary. A sandwich with one turd in it is better than one with two.
That's still not telling us how it would be better and how that would be achieved.
Are you seriously telling me that a new leader couldn’t raise morale and enchance party unity ?
There are lots of ways forward better than Mays. Virtually any approach is.
As there are 'lots of ways forward better than Mays' perhaps you could list a few.
A few off the top of my head, could be done individually or in combination, coming from all sort of backs - though some are contradictory with others. 1: Take actions necessary to prepare for and enact No Deal if necessary [should have been done from start] 2: Have a General Election led by someone with more charisma than a zombie. 3: Have a PM with more charisma than a zombie. 4: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a referendum. 5: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a General Election to break the deadlock. 6: Be prepared to sack Chris Grayling*
* Doesn't solve Brexit but still worth doing.
Theresa May has similar levels of charisma to John Major, and in 1992 the public actually liked him because of it, but unfortunately developments since then like reality TV and the fetish for "emoting in public" meant that by 2017 most people under the age of 50 didn't appreciate Mrs May's lack of it as they did in 92 for Major.
I think that's unfair on John Major. In 1992 Major got on his soapbox in a way May well and truly did not in 2017.
I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest
They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest
I may have just made a bad bet. Glad its just a tenner for charity.
Telegraph: "Grassroots Conservative activists are "quitting in their droves", it has been claimed, as new polling shows that more than 90 per cent disagree with Theresa May's decision to open talks with Jeremy Corbyn."
I'm lost now.
I thought Blue Momentum was trying to get extra people to join to vote for Boris?
I'm lost because I don't know what these activists expected given they can presumably count and can see that the PM doesn't have the numbers to even no deal, given workarounds are being made there. Do they think she opened talks with Corbyn lightly?
At least see if it goes anywhere first, see what the cost is. Because simply being open to working with others, even opponents, is not wrong. Particularly when you lack a majority.
They expect MPs to dump this crap PM.
To be replaced by whom in order to achieve what ?
To be better. Don’t be so binary. A sandwich with one turd in it is better than one with two.
That's still not telling us how it would be better and how that would be achieved.
r than Mays. Virtually any approach is.
d better than Mays' perhaps you could list a few.
A few off the top of my head, could be done individually or in combination, coming from all sort of backs - though some are contradictory with others. 1: Take actions necessary to prepare for and enact No Deal if necessary [should have been done from start] 2: Have a General Election led by someone with more charisma than a zombie. 3: Have a PM with more charisma than a zombie. 4: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a referendum. 5: Be prepared to propose and back an extension and a General Election to break the deadlock. 6: Be prepared to sack Chris Grayling*
* Doesn't solve Brexit but still worth doing.
Theresa May has similar levels of charisma to John Major, and in 1992 the public actually liked him because of it, but unfortunately developments since then like reality TV and the fetish for "emoting in public" meant that by 2017 most people under the age of 50 didn't appreciate Mrs May's lack of it.
Having seen both May and Major in person, Major is actually quite charismatic one to one, May rather less so. I would say May is the brighter of the two though. In 2017 May also got the highest Tory voteshare since Major in 1992.
They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest
I may have just made a bad bet. Glad its just a tenner for charity.
I am confident my Charity would be Ashgate Hospice what is yours.
They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest
I suspect earlier confidence was the postals, we are now seeing the votes on the day.
Candidate agents being summoned to discuss spoiled ballots #NewportWest
Shame we won't get to see the comments written on those spoilt ballots!
The agents do.
I was a bit disappointed when I was an agent for a couple of local elections that no-one seemed animated enough by the contests to spoil their ballots in a memorable way.
Well looks like Wales will stay with England then whatever happens with Scotland and NI
This part of Wales is terrible for the idea of independence, low Welsh speaking levels and just not generally good hunting ground for Plaid. Places like Newport would be like the bigger cities in Brexit with strong remain/stay votes.
The UK would have a veto on an EU army if it was still in , the same veto it would also have on Turkey joining .
The British are going to be involved in the EUMS whether brexit happens or not as the alternative is to spend (a lot) more on defence. It will probably settle on something like the French involvement in NATO: "inserted but not integrated".
They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest
I may have just made a bad bet. Glad its just a tenner for charity.
I am confident my Charity would be Ashgate Hospice what is yours.
Well looks like Wales will stay with England then whatever happens with Scotland and NI
This part of Wales is terrible for the idea of independence, low Welsh speaking levels and just not generally good hunting ground for Plaid. Places like Newport would be like the bigger cities in Brexit with strong remain/stay votes.
For once I agree with you. The idea Newport is Plaid country is absurd.
Neil offering a fake sneer to Plaid - "if you double your vote it'll be 4%" - er, no, it'll be over 5%. Time he retired. Mind you, the Plaid speaker didn't seem to know either.
I don't really get the Buttigieg thing - he's pleasant enough, but basically a harmless centrist who does least well against Trump of all the candidates:
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.
I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thing
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.
I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thing
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.
£77k for a Part Time job is very reasonable indeed.
What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
Say you have a failing backup cron and you're also running in a by-election, you'd want to concentrate on the by-election until the voting was done, then get on fixing that backup before you do anything else.
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.
I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thing
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.
£77k for a Part Time job is very reasonable indeed.
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.
I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thing
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.
Have you ever met an MP? I've never met one who worked less than 6 days a week, and the 7th tends to get eaten oo.
Neil offering a fake sneer to Plaid - "if you double your vote it'll be 4%" - er, no, it'll be over 5%. Time he retired. Mind you, the Plaid speaker didn't seem to know either.
No - it will actually be under 5%. 4.96% to be exact.
What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
Say you have a failing backup cron and you're also running in a by-election, you'd want to concentrate on the by-election until the voting was done, then get on fixing that backup before you do anything else.
What kind of candidate has a 'long-standing commitment' at 1:10 on his by-election night?
Say you have a failing backup cron and you're also running in a by-election, you'd want to concentrate on the by-election until the voting was done, then get on fixing that backup before you do anything else.
Well looks like Wales will stay with England then whatever happens with Scotland and NI
This part of Wales is terrible for the idea of independence, low Welsh speaking levels and just not generally good hunting ground for Plaid. Places like Newport would be like the bigger cities in Brexit with strong remain/stay votes.
Except Newport voted Leave just as Wales voted Leave.
Still a pretty awful result for Plaid to come behind UKIP even if they were unlikely to win
MPs complaining about simply doing their job is ridiculous. This is what they're paid to do.
I sympathise with them on one level: they are human and if they are distressed that is not a good thing
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.
Have you ever met an MP? I've never met one who worked less than 6 days a week, and the 7th tends to get eaten oo.
The complaints sound similar to those about footballers.
Even if you think they don't deserve a break or they earn enough to go without one it makes sense to make sure they are rested (mentally and physically) if you want them to give you their peak performance.
Newport West is definitely trending to the Tories over the long term, which isn't surprising given it's very white, older than average, non-trendy, lower middle-class, etc.
Apparently Julian Assange is about to be expelled from the Ecuadorian embassy in the next few hours or days according to Wikileaks. Will he be arrested by the Met and extradited.
Not a bad acceptance speech as these things go. Result a bit meh all round.
Incidentally, the Guardian vox pop report on the by-election seems to have been a classic of "find some people to make a story" - the article made it sound as though Renew was having a huge surge, whereas they actually lost their deposit. I suspect the journalist interviewed a lot of people and picked out the ones who fitted the story.
UKIP biggest gainers tonight on voteshare, Labour and the Tories down, a warning to both to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal if they are to avoid being hit in Leave areas
This is totally what you'd expect for by-election in a seat held by an opposition party with a meh leader, up against a mid-term government that also has a meh leader. Normal vote share changes, normal turnout. No sign of anger, disillusionment, excitement or any other opinion about Brexit, a cabinet at war with itself, a leader who had totally lost her grip, a parliament in chaos.
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That must make you feel young again.
Or maybe middle aged again
I meant older not younger.
Time for some sleep.
Now, my gut would tell me he'd do badly in a presidential election, but polls against Trump are meaningless except for established candidates (Biden, Warren, Sanders). He'll do well in the early primary stages, which is what he wants, before deferring, joining a bigger campaign, hope for a big job and look to run again having broken a few barriers. A good trading bet.
Each youngster has a different idea of fun. Actually potentially meeting every voter over a few years...
Siôn Jenkins
@Sion_J
39s40 seconds ago
They may just be playing it down, but the Tories don’t sound all that confident. Some of them admitting this week’s events in Westminster have not helped their cause at all. #NewportWest
https://twitter.com/ChillaxBcn/status/1113914788516696064
I was a bit disappointed when I was an agent for a couple of local elections that no-one seemed animated enough by the contests to spoil their ballots in a memorable way.
Ian Craig
@ArgusICraig
5m5 minutes ago
General mood around the place is this is Labour's, and possibly by a decent margin #NewportWest
Also saying a lot of people think like Tommy R
But they earn £77Kpa, they get an allowance for travel and accommodation, they get further funding to run an office and staff, and they work a four-day week on average.
So they do have the facilities and money to cope with the stress. So my sympathy, although sincere, is limited.
Sorry to be pedantic!
Here we go....
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/03/ecuador-says-julian-assange-violated-asylum-terms-london-embassy/3350973002/
CON 7357
UKIP 2023
PM me details of you charity
Labour 9,308
Con 7,357
UKIP 2,023
Plaid 1,185
Ld 1,088
Green 924
Renew 879
SDP 202
For Britain 159
Abolish Welsh Assembly 205
Democrats and Vets 185
CON: 31.3% (-8.0)
UKIP: 8.6% (+6.1)
PC: 5.0% (+2.6)
LDEM: 4.6% (+2.4)
GRN: 3.9% (+2.8)
RNW: 3.7% (+3.7)
ATWA: 0.9% (+0.9)
SDP: 0.9% (+0.9)
D&V: 0.8% (+0.8)
FBM: 0.7% (+0.7)
Labour HOLD.
Hardly a shabby result for the Tories given the current turmoil.
Still a pretty awful result for Plaid to come behind UKIP even if they were unlikely to win
Even if you think they don't deserve a break or they earn enough to go without one it makes sense to make sure they are rested (mentally and physically) if you want them to give you their peak performance.
As ever, political anoraks on PB are not very representative.
https://news.sky.com/story/wikileaks-julian-assange-to-be-expelled-within-hours-to-days-11684549
Incidentally, the Guardian vox pop report on the by-election seems to have been a classic of "find some people to make a story" - the article made it sound as though Renew was having a huge surge, whereas they actually lost their deposit. I suspect the journalist interviewed a lot of people and picked out the ones who fitted the story.
This is totally what you'd expect for by-election in a seat held by an opposition party with a meh leader, up against a mid-term government that also has a meh leader. Normal vote share changes, normal turnout. No sign of anger, disillusionment, excitement or any other opinion about Brexit, a cabinet at war with itself, a leader who had totally lost her grip, a parliament in chaos.