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GE here we come.kjohnw said:
“A” customs union is crap we have to allow tariff free access to other countries but it’s not reciprocated. The only customs union worth being in is “the” customs union but the EU will not allow that as it threatens the integrity of the single marketTheScreamingEagles said:
As I keep saying
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I found out only recently how simple it is to become a Wikipedia editor (to expand and correct the entry for our village).FrancisUrquhart said:
Once it's on Wikipedia its fact!Benpointer said:
You know that's going to become an urban myth now don't you?Chris said:
I must admit I hadn't realised until today that Andrex is so called because it was invented by Andrea Leadsom during her time at ICI (though it was unaccountably omitted from her Nobel Prize citation)._Anazina_ said:
And ultimately covered in shit and flushed down the drain.Chris said:So are we heading for an Andrex Brexit now?
Soft, strong and very long?
I shall resist the temptation to add the Andrex story to Leadsom's entry for fear of finding out how easy it is to be banned as a Wiki editor.
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I have him down as a rebel last time. So a new pro-Deal swticherBenpointer said:
He's already voted for it twice right?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Yes, some people on Twitter are calling them that. You can find anything you like on Twitter.Stereotomy said:
https://twitter.com/search?q=cuk&src=typd_Anazina_ said:
They really aren't.Stereotomy said:
More importantly everyone's going to call them centrist CUKsJosiasJessop said:
Personally, I don't like it. First of all there are organisations like change.org, which might not align perfectly with the party's views. Secondly, change is not necessarily for the better ..._Anazina_ said:Quite like the Tiggers' new name – Change.
Any news on their signature colour? Pink is available.
Sorry.
They'll just be generally referred to as Change, I'd venture.
The bigger question is what signature colour will they choose? Stick with charcoal or grab the available pink?
I'd go with pink.0 -
As part of a series it is meaningfulkle4 said:
Perhaps so, but the point that a democratically elected leader does not and should not make someone immune to an ousting remains fair.isam said:
Well their reasoning for trying to oust him was that he was going to be awful, then he got their best election result in years. So their judgement is as poor as their principleskle4 said:
What’s the problem in trying to oust a democratically elected leader? If a leader were awful should people have to sit and wait for them to quit of their own accord?isam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
Umunna never has the guts to stand for anything independently (leadership bottle/by election) and has a habit of trying to overturn votes he disagrees with (Corbyn/Brexit), or run off. Not the kind of change the country is crying out for I'd say
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Anyone asked these nutjobs whether they want MPs to vote for the deal or not? Seeing as the latter leads away from Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
If you think that's how the UK looks now I have a bridge to sell you. Populism is on the rise.Stereotomy said:
So their vision of the UK is one that looks exactly like the UK right now except that watching PMQs won't make their delicate centrist souls sad any more?_Anazina_ said:
Well they don't want to do that, do they? They want to change the UK by pushing the assortment of extremists, thickos, bigots, xenophobes, quarterwits and clowns who have taken over the main two parties back into the wilderness.Philip_Thompson said:
To change the UK by keeping things the same?Jonathan said:
No less shit than historic names Conservatives or Labour. At least it says what they want.FrancisUrquhart said:Change UK is a shit name.
More power to their elbows.0 -
But will the Conservatives agree to a GE with May still as leader?
If they won't, there can't be a GE until July at the earliest - two months even for an accelerated Con leadership contest + 5 weeks for GE campaign.
And in practice that probably means October - has there ever been a GE in July/Aug/Sept?
And all the immediate pressures are now - if a one year extension is agreed then the pressure will be off come June anyway.
An early GE must mean a May v Corbyn contest - anyone expecting an early GE should bet on Corbyn in next PM market.0 -
So anyone who joins and then leaves will be ex-change? And if they go abroad, I assume foreign ex-change?_Anazina_ said:
Yes, some people on Twitter are calling them that. You can find anything you like on Twitter.Stereotomy said:
https://twitter.com/search?q=cuk&src=typd_Anazina_ said:
They really aren't.Stereotomy said:
More importantly everyone's going to call them centrist CUKsJosiasJessop said:
Personally, I don't like it. First of all there are organisations like change.org, which might not align perfectly with the party's views. Secondly, change is not necessarily for the better ..._Anazina_ said:Quite like the Tiggers' new name – Change.
Any news on their signature colour? Pink is available.
Sorry.
They'll just be generally referred to as Change, I'd venture.
The bigger question is what signature colour will they choose? Stick with charcoal or grab the available pink?
I'd go with pink.0 -
A lot of those 3.5mn will be joining the UK electorate in the next few years, incidentally. I think it's safe to assume they will not provide fertile ground for the Conservative party.Richard_Tyndall said:
Um no. That assumes that all those who signed are part of the UK electorate. How many of the 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK have signed?logical_song said:
And over one eighth of the Total UK Electorate have now signed the 'Revoke' petition.Benpointer said:
More people have signed the petition than voted for all the other parties (non-CON or LAB) during the 2017 GE.AndyJS said:Looks like the petition might reach 6 million today or tomorrow.
https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584
More people have signed the petition than voted for UKIP at its peak in the 2015 GE.0 -
The shambolic and one-side way in which her party tried to manage Brexit. I dare say if they'd embraced your own model for leaving, she would still be in the Tory party today Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
So what principle led her to lie to her own constituents repeatedly during the 2017 election campaign?_Anazina_ said:
She is indeed principled – hence why she quit the unprincipled assortment of fuckwits that is the modern day Tory party.RoyalBlue said:
Shame she’s also vacuous and unprincipled._Anazina_ said:
Heidi is a great choice for party leader – media savvy, telegenic, friendly. Normal.JosiasJessop said:
Well, for the first time ever, I have a party leader for an MP!HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
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Or already have since June 2016OnlyLivingBoy said:
A lot of those 3.5mn will be joining the UK electorate in the next few years, incidentally. I think it's safe to assume they will not provide fertile ground for the Conservative party.Richard_Tyndall said:
Um no. That assumes that all those who signed are part of the UK electorate. How many of the 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK have signed?logical_song said:
And over one eighth of the Total UK Electorate have now signed the 'Revoke' petition.Benpointer said:
More people have signed the petition than voted for all the other parties (non-CON or LAB) during the 2017 GE.AndyJS said:Looks like the petition might reach 6 million today or tomorrow.
https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584
More people have signed the petition than voted for UKIP at its peak in the 2015 GE.0 -
Two to three months with Parliament shutdown while Con elect a new leader and we then have a general election sounds like heaven to me.MikeL said:But will the Conservatives agree to a GE with May still as leader?
If they won't, there can't be a GE until July at the earliest - two months even for an accelerated Con leadership contest + 5 weeks for GE campaign.
It'd better be three months without pay and expenses too...0 -
OldKingCole said:
So anyone who joins and then leaves will be ex-change? And if they go abroad, I assume foreign ex-change?_Anazina_ said:
Yes, some people on Twitter are calling them that. You can find anything you like on Twitter.Stereotomy said:
https://twitter.com/search?q=cuk&src=typd_Anazina_ said:
They really aren't.Stereotomy said:
More importantly everyone's going to call them centrist CUKsJosiasJessop said:
Personally, I don't like it. First of all there are organisations like change.org, which might not align perfectly with the party's views. Secondly, change is not necessarily for the better ..._Anazina_ said:Quite like the Tiggers' new name – Change.
Any news on their signature colour? Pink is available.
Sorry.
They'll just be generally referred to as Change, I'd venture.
The bigger question is what signature colour will they choose? Stick with charcoal or grab the available pink?
I'd go with pink.
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When Chuka starts panicking as soon as something doesn't go his way again we can call it a Fluster CUKTheScreamingEagles said:
Wrong, it'll be reported as CUK Gain.RoyalBlue said:
If Chuka holds Streatham next time round, we will see ‘CUK HOLD’ on the screen on big letters.TGOHF said:
The party of CUK ?HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1111582509517717505?s=20
Well done guys, well done.0 -
1945 was on 5th July. Can recall seeing the posters in the sunshine from my bedroom window.MikeL said:But will the Conservatives agree to a GE with May still as leader?
If they won't, there can't be a GE until July at the earliest - two months even for an accelerated Con leadership contest + 5 weeks for GE campaign.
And in practice that probably means October - has there ever been a GE in July/Aug/Sept?
And all the immediate pressures are now - if a one year extension is agreed then the pressure will be off come June anyway.
An early GE must mean a May v Corbyn contest - anyone expecting an early GE should bet on Corbyn in next PM market.0 -
She could have voted for the Deal rather than opposing it from the start in spite of what she claimed to her constituents. But then like most politicians she is far too dishonest to do that. The only principle she believes in is staying in her seat._Anazina_ said:
The shambolic and one-side way in which her party tried to manage Brexit. I dare say if they'd embraced your own model for leaving, she would still be in the Tory party today Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
So what principle led her to lie to her own constituents repeatedly during the 2017 election campaign?_Anazina_ said:
She is indeed principled – hence why she quit the unprincipled assortment of fuckwits that is the modern day Tory party.RoyalBlue said:
Shame she’s also vacuous and unprincipled._Anazina_ said:
Heidi is a great choice for party leader – media savvy, telegenic, friendly. Normal.JosiasJessop said:
Well, for the first time ever, I have a party leader for an MP!HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1111582509517717505?s=200 -
Also gives one or two of them more time to get through their court cases, appeals, parole boards etc etc.GIN1138 said:
Two to three months with Parliament shutdown while Con elect a new leader and we then have a general election sounds like heaven to me.MikeL said:But will the Conservatives agree to a GE with May still as leader?
If they won't, there can't be a GE until July at the earliest - two months even for an accelerated Con leadership contest + 5 weeks for GE campaign.
It'd better be three months without pay and expenses too...0 -
If she were principled, she would call a by-election._Anazina_ said:
She is indeed principled – hence why she quit the unprincipled assortment of fuckwits that is the modern day Tory party.RoyalBlue said:
Shame she’s also vacuous and unprincipled._Anazina_ said:
Heidi is a great choice for party leader – media savvy, telegenic, friendly. Normal.JosiasJessop said:
Well, for the first time ever, I have a party leader for an MP!HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1111582509517717505?s=20
She hasn’t.0 -
She is Dee C Lee to Chuka's Paul Weller in the CUKs Style Council of EqualityRichard_Tyndall said:
She could have voted for the Deal rather than opposing it from the start in spite of what she claimed to her constituents. But then like most politicians she is far too dishonest to do that. The only principle she believes in is staying in her seat._Anazina_ said:
The shambolic and one-side way in which her party tried to manage Brexit. I dare say if they'd embraced your own model for leaving, she would still be in the Tory party today Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
So what principle led her to lie to her own constituents repeatedly during the 2017 election campaign?_Anazina_ said:
She is indeed principled – hence why she quit the unprincipled assortment of fuckwits that is the modern day Tory party.RoyalBlue said:
Shame she’s also vacuous and unprincipled._Anazina_ said:
Heidi is a great choice for party leader – media savvy, telegenic, friendly. Normal.JosiasJessop said:
Well, for the first time ever, I have a party leader for an MP!HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1111582509517717505?s=200 -
Yes, the only realistic path to avoid a GE is that a cross party coalition with a new PM is formed and holds together for long enough to pilot through a new softer brexit deal and/or a second referendum.rottenborough said:GE here we come.
As I keep saying
I see that as unlikely. A 2019 GE has now (finally!) gone to better than evens chance in the betting, and even where it is now (1.85) it is IMO more of a back than a lay.0 -
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I don't think she lied to constituents at all that I am aware of. Unless you hold to the rather ridiculous arcane idea that MPs have to stand on a manifesto dictated by some teenaged scribbler from No10, or conjured by the 2 brain celled bonce of Mr Thicky, and that they should all agree to it without deviation when elected, like so many automatons from a rubber stamping chamber in North Korea.Richard_Tyndall said:
So what principle led her to lie to her own constituents repeatedly during the 2017 election campaign?_Anazina_ said:
She is indeed principled – hence why she quit the unprincipled assortment of fuckwits that is the modern day Tory party.RoyalBlue said:
Shame she’s also vacuous and unprincipled._Anazina_ said:
Heidi is a great choice for party leader – media savvy, telegenic, friendly. Normal.JosiasJessop said:
Well, for the first time ever, I have a party leader for an MP!HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1111582509517717505?s=20
It is similarly ridiculous to say that just because someone disagrees with your world view they are unprincipled. I happen to think Jacob Rees-Mogg is a complete plonker, but I would never say he is unprincipled. Boris Johnson is, of course, a completely different kettle of bullshit.0 -
Until they actually have to I doubt many will have taken UK citizenship so my point stands.OnlyLivingBoy said:
A lot of those 3.5mn will be joining the UK electorate in the next few years, incidentally. I think it's safe to assume they will not provide fertile ground for the Conservative party.Richard_Tyndall said:
Um no. That assumes that all those who signed are part of the UK electorate. How many of the 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK have signed?logical_song said:
And over one eighth of the Total UK Electorate have now signed the 'Revoke' petition.Benpointer said:
More people have signed the petition than voted for all the other parties (non-CON or LAB) during the 2017 GE.AndyJS said:Looks like the petition might reach 6 million today or tomorrow.
https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584
More people have signed the petition than voted for UKIP at its peak in the 2015 GE.
I would also dispute that they may not vote Tory (though I have no interest in whether they do or not). Until such times as Corbyn buggers off and is replaced by someone sane I suspect the most likely course of action for many of them will be to abstain or to vote on the issues at the time which by then hopefully will not include Brexit.
For the record I speak as someone who will certainly not vote Tory as long as May is in charge. My vote is up for grabs if anyone wants it.0 -
Corbyn sounds like he's choking on his cornflakes any time anything about another vote comes out. 5 whole seconds in his speech about any sort of ref then straight to a GE !0
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I suspect just about every one of them will be wanting us to Leave without a Deal today - and declare war on the EU a few minutes later. Anything less would be unpatriotic.rottenborough said:
Anyone asked these nutjobs whether they want MPs to vote for the deal or not? Seeing as the latter leads away from Brexit.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
All roads lead to Prime minister Kenneth Clarke (if I say it enough it might come true!)kinabalu said:
Yes, the only realistic path to avoid a GE is that a cross party coalition with a new PM is formed and holds together for long enough to pilot through a new softer brexit deal and/or a second referendum.rottenborough said:GE here we come.
As I keep saying
I see that as unlikely. A 2019 GE has now (finally!) gone to better than evens chance in the betting, and even where it is now (1.85) it is IMO more of a back than a lay.0 -
She is also representing the views of her constituents, as shown in the referendum that matter so much to Richard.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't think she lied to constituents at all that I am aware of. Unless you hold to the rather ridiculous arcane idea that MPs have to stand on a manifesto dictated by some teenaged scribbler from No10, or conjured by the 2 brain celled bonce of Mr Thicky, and that they should all agree to it without deviation when elected, like so many automatons from a rubber stamping chamber in North Korea.Richard_Tyndall said:
So what principle led her to lie to her own constituents repeatedly during the 2017 election campaign?_Anazina_ said:
She is indeed principled – hence why she quit the unprincipled assortment of fuckwits that is the modern day Tory party.RoyalBlue said:
Shame she’s also vacuous and unprincipled._Anazina_ said:
Heidi is a great choice for party leader – media savvy, telegenic, friendly. Normal.JosiasJessop said:
Well, for the first time ever, I have a party leader for an MP!HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1111582509517717505?s=20
It is similarly ridiculous to say that just because someone disagrees with your world view they are unprincipled. I happen to think Jacob Rees-Mogg is a complete plonker, but I would never say he is unprincipled. Boris Johnson is, of course, a completely different kettle of bullshit.0 -
She put out personal statements in her own leaftlets and on twitter and other media that she stood by the result of the referendum.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't think she lied to constituents at all that I am aware of. Unless you hold to the rather ridiculous arcane idea that MPs have to stand on a manifesto dictated by some teenaged scribbler from No10, or conjured by the 2 brain celled bonce of Mr Thicky, and that they should all agree to it without deviation when elected, like so many automatons from a rubber stamping chamber in North Korea.Richard_Tyndall said:
So what principle led her to lie to her own constituents repeatedly during the 2017 election campaign?_Anazina_ said:
She is indeed principled – hence why she quit the unprincipled assortment of fuckwits that is the modern day Tory party.RoyalBlue said:
Shame she’s also vacuous and unprincipled._Anazina_ said:
Heidi is a great choice for party leader – media savvy, telegenic, friendly. Normal.JosiasJessop said:
Well, for the first time ever, I have a party leader for an MP!HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1111582509517717505?s=20
It is similarly ridiculous to say that just because someone disagrees with your world view they are unprincipled. I happen to think Jacob Rees-Mogg is a complete plonker, but I would never say he is unprincipled. Boris Johnson is, of course, a completely different kettle of bullshit.
Direct quotes:
“We must respect the democratic outcome of the referendum and work positively together to ensure we make Brexit a success.”
“I was a remainer, but the EU ref result is final and cannot be rerun.”
She lied to her constituents to get elected.0 -
I'm thinking Hague myself. Have a nibble on that too.Nigel_Foremain said:
All roads lead to Prime minister Kenneth Clarke (if I say it enough it might come true!)kinabalu said:
Yes, the only realistic path to avoid a GE is that a cross party coalition with a new PM is formed and holds together for long enough to pilot through a new softer brexit deal and/or a second referendum.rottenborough said:GE here we come.
As I keep saying
I see that as unlikely. A 2019 GE has now (finally!) gone to better than evens chance in the betting, and even where it is now (1.85) it is IMO more of a back than a lay.
A mate has £2 on Chukka. I may join him, just in case. He would gloat for months if it came off and I wasn't party to it.0 -
But with Corbyn leading Labour we might well end up with another hung parliament and no resolution of anything.kinabalu said:
Yes, the only realistic path to avoid a GE is that a cross party coalition with a new PM is formed and holds together for long enough to pilot through a new softer brexit deal and/or a second referendum.rottenborough said:GE here we come.
As I keep saying
I see that as unlikely. A 2019 GE has now (finally!) gone to better than evens chance in the betting, and even where it is now (1.85) it is IMO more of a back than a lay.0 -
Wait till he has to renew Trident next parliament. They'll never get him to sign the paperwork.Pulpstar said:Corbyn sounds like he's choking on his cornflakes any time anything about another vote comes out. 5 whole seconds in his speech about any sort of ref then straight to a GE !
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You doubt... I think that many already have or are actively in the process of applying for UK citizenship.Richard_Tyndall said:
Until they actually have to I doubt many will have taken UK citizenship so my point stands.OnlyLivingBoy said:
A lot of those 3.5mn will be joining the UK electorate in the next few years, incidentally. I think it's safe to assume they will not provide fertile ground for the Conservative party.Richard_Tyndall said:
Um no. That assumes that all those who signed are part of the UK electorate. How many of the 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK have signed?logical_song said:
And over one eighth of the Total UK Electorate have now signed the 'Revoke' petition.Benpointer said:
More people have signed the petition than voted for all the other parties (non-CON or LAB) during the 2017 GE.AndyJS said:Looks like the petition might reach 6 million today or tomorrow.
https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584
More people have signed the petition than voted for UKIP at its peak in the 2015 GE.
Yor opinion against mine.
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rottenborough said:
Also gives one or two of them more time to get through their court cases, appeals, parole boards etc etc.GIN1138 said:
Two to three months with Parliament shutdown while Con elect a new leader and we then have a general election sounds like heaven to me.MikeL said:But will the Conservatives agree to a GE with May still as leader?
If they won't, there can't be a GE until July at the earliest - two months even for an accelerated Con leadership contest + 5 weeks for GE campaign.
It'd better be three months without pay and expenses too... 0 -
Trying to figure out what May is trying to say. Seems to be, Vote for the motion, because it is meaningless.0
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My old firm have got JC on board!
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Yep I wasn't saying you were wrong. But out of perhaps 40 or 50 EU citizens I know either as friends or work colleagues not a single one has chosen to take UK citizenship since the referendum. In contrast I am standing as a reference for a Vietnamese friend and his wife who have applied for UK citizenship and hope to hear by May.eristdoof said:
You doubt... I think that many already have or are actively in the process of applying for UK citizenship.Richard_Tyndall said:
Until they actually have to I doubt many will have taken UK citizenship so my point stands.OnlyLivingBoy said:
A lot of those 3.5mn will be joining the UK electorate in the next few years, incidentally. I think it's safe to assume they will not provide fertile ground for the Conservative party.Richard_Tyndall said:
Um no. That assumes that all those who signed are part of the UK electorate. How many of the 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK have signed?logical_song said:
And over one eighth of the Total UK Electorate have now signed the 'Revoke' petition.Benpointer said:
More people have signed the petition than voted for all the other parties (non-CON or LAB) during the 2017 GE.AndyJS said:Looks like the petition might reach 6 million today or tomorrow.
https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584
More people have signed the petition than voted for UKIP at its peak in the 2015 GE.
Yor opinion against mine.0 -
Since her constituency - in which I live - was strongly remain, you could argue that those statements cost her votes.Richard_Tyndall said:
She put out personal statements in her own leaftlets and on twitter and other media that she stood by the result of the referendum.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't think she lied to constituents at all that I am aware of. Unless you hold to the rather ridiculous arcane idea that MPs have to stand on a manifesto dictated by some teenaged scribbler from No10, or conjured by the 2 brain celled bonce of Mr Thicky, and that they should all agree to it without deviation when elected, like so many automatons from a rubber stamping chamber in North Korea.Richard_Tyndall said:
So what principle led her to lie to her own constituents repeatedly during the 2017 election campaign?_Anazina_ said:
She is indeed principled – hence why she quit the unprincipled assortment of fuckwits that is the modern day Tory party.RoyalBlue said:
Shame she’s also vacuous and unprincipled._Anazina_ said:
Heidi is a great choice for party leader – media savvy, telegenic, friendly. Normal.JosiasJessop said:
Well, for the first time ever, I have a party leader for an MP!HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1111582509517717505?s=20
It is similarly ridiculous to say that just because someone disagrees with your world view they are unprincipled. I happen to think Jacob Rees-Mogg is a complete plonker, but I would never say he is unprincipled. Boris Johnson is, of course, a completely different kettle of bullshit.
Direct quotes:
“We must respect the democratic outcome of the referendum and work positively together to ensure we make Brexit a success.”
“I was a remainer, but the EU ref result is final and cannot be rerun.”
She lied to her constituents to get elected.
Besides, when the situation changes (and it sure as heck has changed), reasonable people can change their minds. We're nearly three years on from the referendum, and it's all a bit of a mess, isn't it?0 -
So why did she go out of her way to say she would abide by the referendum result? If she were so sure that she would be able to get re-elected without lying, why did she lie?JosiasJessop said:
She is also representing the views of her constituents, as shown in the referendum that matter so much to Richard.Nigel_Foremain said:
I don't think she lied to constituents at all that I am aware of. Unless you hold to the rather ridiculous arcane idea that MPs have to stand on a manifesto dictated by some teenaged scribbler from No10, or conjured by the 2 brain celled bonce of Mr Thicky, and that they should all agree to it without deviation when elected, like so many automatons from a rubber stamping chamber in North Korea.Richard_Tyndall said:
So what principle led her to lie to her own constituents repeatedly during the 2017 election campaign?_Anazina_ said:
She is indeed principled – hence why she quit the unprincipled assortment of fuckwits that is the modern day Tory party.RoyalBlue said:
Shame she’s also vacuous and unprincipled._Anazina_ said:
Heidi is a great choice for party leader – media savvy, telegenic, friendly. Normal.JosiasJessop said:
Well, for the first time ever, I have a party leader for an MP!HYUFD said:
TIG to be renamed ChangeUK under Leader Heidi Allenisam said:
Tried to oust a Democratically elected leader of LabourHYUFD said:TIG to apply to be listed as a political party so they should be a permanent feature of polls soon
Trying to overturn a democratic referendum
Refuse to call by elections to ratify their switch of party
What a refreshing change! The Anti Democratic League for the bored middle class
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1111582509517717505?s=20
It is similarly ridiculous to say that just because someone disagrees with your world view they are unprincipled. I happen to think Jacob Rees-Mogg is a complete plonker, but I would never say he is unprincipled. Boris Johnson is, of course, a completely different kettle of bullshit.0 -
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You have my pity. Being represented by a liar like that cannot be something any reasonable person would be proud of.JosiasJessop said:
Since her constituency - in which I live - was strongly remain, you could argue that those statements cost her votes.
Besides, when the situation changes (and it sure as heck has changed), reasonable people can change their minds. We're nearly three years on from the referendum, and it's all a bit of a mess, isn't it?0 -
Richard, I don't think you are familiar with the area she represents. It is one of the strongest remain areas in the country. With respect to those quotes, they are not necessarily lies. I think the benefit of the doubt and some respect is due to those that change their mind when the facts become clearer, and they become clearer by the day that Brexit is a fiasco. I am sure you know the quote from John Maynard Keynes.0
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Any chance the gov can get to within 50? I have a personal bet with someone who thinks it will that I don’t want to lose.0
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Some of them have already started the process, based on my own circle. Of course my circle is probably heavily biased towards the hideous Liberal Metropolitan Elite but my impression is they're not queueing up to thank the Tories for throwing their lives into confusion and creating a toxic nationalistic atmosphere. They will also help tilt the inevitable rejoin the EU referendum in the direction of yes in a few years, and perhaps even a revocation referendum if they can get the paperwork through in time.Richard_Tyndall said:
Until they actually have to I doubt many will have taken UK citizenship so my point stands.OnlyLivingBoy said:
A lot of those 3.5mn will be joining the UK electorate in the next few years, incidentally. I think it's safe to assume they will not provide fertile ground for the Conservative party.Richard_Tyndall said:
Um no. That assumes that all those who signed are part of the UK electorate. How many of the 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK have signed?logical_song said:
And over one eighth of the Total UK Electorate have now signed the 'Revoke' petition.Benpointer said:
More people have signed the petition than voted for all the other parties (non-CON or LAB) during the 2017 GE.AndyJS said:Looks like the petition might reach 6 million today or tomorrow.
https://www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584
More people have signed the petition than voted for UKIP at its peak in the 2015 GE.
I would also dispute that they may not vote Tory (though I have no interest in whether they do or not). Until such times as Corbyn buggers off and is replaced by someone sane I suspect the most likely course of action for many of them will be to abstain or to vote on the issues at the time which by then hopefully will not include Brexit.
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We might. And what a pickle that would be. Still, it could never be as fiendishly set up to fail on Brexit as this one surely.NorthofStoke said:But with Corbyn leading Labour we might well end up with another hung parliament and no resolution of anything.
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It's currently defeat by 80, with 50 unlikely but not impossiblekle4 said:Any chance the gov can get to within 50? I have a personal bet with someone who thinks it will that I don’t want to lose.
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I'm on the "Noe" side of the bet, but I think this is a very decent winding up speech by May actually.0
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You have to hand it to Theresa May, she never gives up on her deal.0
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TIGgers are already being challenged on their new name by Change.org:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/29/independent-group-to-register-as-change-uk-party-under-heidi-allen0 -
I don't need your pity, thanks. I actually quite like what she's done. You're traditionally someone who's against the party system and whipping in particular; I think what she's done is perfectly in line with that.Richard_Tyndall said:
You have my pity. Being represented by a liar like that cannot be something any reasonable person would be proud of.JosiasJessop said:
Since her constituency - in which I live - was strongly remain, you could argue that those statements cost her votes.
Besides, when the situation changes (and it sure as heck has changed), reasonable people can change their minds. We're nearly three years on from the referendum, and it's all a bit of a mess, isn't it?
She's representing the views of her constituents; at least as far as we can tell.0 -
Buzzfeed moves Fallon to Support meaning 33 of 75 Tory rebels now backing the government (plus one previously absent).
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LolMauve said:TIGgers are already being challenged on their new name by Change.org:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/29/independent-group-to-register-as-change-uk-party-under-heidi-allen0 -
Political party trumps website to me.Mauve said:TIGgers are already being challenged on their new name by Change.org:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/29/independent-group-to-register-as-change-uk-party-under-heidi-allen
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Yes, she's completely demolished Labour's arguments against the motion. Not that it will do her or the country any good.Pulpstar said:I'm on the "Noe" side of the bet, but I think this is a very decent winding up speech by May actually.
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As I have met her on a number of occasions Richard, I have to tell you, you are talking bollox. She strikes me as a highly principled person. You don't agree with her world view, fine, but she is no more a liar than anyone else. Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage she ain'tRichard_Tyndall said:
You have my pity. Being represented by a liar like that cannot be something any reasonable person would be proud of.JosiasJessop said:
Since her constituency - in which I live - was strongly remain, you could argue that those statements cost her votes.
Besides, when the situation changes (and it sure as heck has changed), reasonable people can change their minds. We're nearly three years on from the referendum, and it's all a bit of a mess, isn't it?0 -
well this seems very much like Endgame for this premiership.0
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JRM in the aye lobby.0
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Corbyn can smell his GE.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, she's completely demolished Labour's arguments against the motion. Not that it will do her or the country any good.Pulpstar said:I'm on the "Noe" side of the bet, but I think this is a very decent winding up speech by May actually.
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And predictable. An unforced error that won't get them good publicity.Norm said:
LolMauve said:TIGgers are already being challenged on their new name by Change.org:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/29/independent-group-to-register-as-change-uk-party-under-heidi-allen0 -
For all the attacks she receives she is more knowledgeable, more competent, and grown up than so many ,including Corbyn, and may only be missed when she has resignedPulpstar said:I'm on the "Noe" side of the bet, but I think this is a very decent winding up speech by May actually.
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I feel sorry for her. Hope we don't end up with Raab, Johnson or Hunt next.Slackbladder said:well this seems very much like Endgame for this premiership.
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My guess is that the government gets 285 votes.0
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Yep, for all her faults she's probably going to be a damned sight better than whichever wonder follows next.Big_G_NorthWales said:
For all the attacks she receives she is more knowledgeable, more competent, and grown up than so many ,including Corbyn, and may only be missed when she has resignedPulpstar said:I'm on the "Noe" side of the bet, but I think this is a very decent winding up speech by May actually.
Hunt probably the best option for the country, though I do have some err... personal hopes for Steve Baker
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Can't Corbyn sit in the Commons without having Dawn Butler next to him?
Is she his carer?
Or perhaps he is just using her for the colour of her skin....0 -
https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1111636378209734656
Quislings! Traitors! The worst betrayal for 200 years! Even worse than when Bob Dylan went electric!0 -
How dare you suggest such a thing.oxfordsimon said:Can't Corbyn sit in the Commons without having Dawn Butler next to him?
Is she his carer?
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I have little or no respect for MPs even at the best of times. But I certainly have no respect for MPs that lie openly to get themselves elected.Nigel_Foremain said:Richard, I don't think you are familiar with the area she represents. It is one of the strongest remain areas in the country. With respect to those quotes, they are not necessarily lies. I think the benefit of the doubt and some respect is due to those that change their mind when the facts become clearer, and they become clearer by the day that Brexit is a fiasco. I am sure you know the quote from John Maynard Keynes.
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Can't be for her political talents (or lack thereof)oxfordsimon said:Can't Corbyn sit in the Commons without having Dawn Butler next to him?
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Can't help feeling with a bit of planning the Govt could have pulled it off today by splitting it into two stages, reaching out, trying to find consensus on the PD element, and by May not announcing she was going to quit if it passed. Properly planned, and signalled a week ago when the EU confirmed the extension arrangements, this might have worked.
Announcing she was quitting was what scuppered a potentially otherwise good way of breaking the impasse. In any event, had it passed, it would have been a moment of utter triumph for her not reason to quit.
She should be quitting in half an hour when yet another defeat on her deal is announced.
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I think David Lidington as PM while they sort out the election of Steve Baker as party leader would be entirely appropriate.Pulpstar said:
Yep, for all her faults she's probably going to be a damned sight better than whichever wonder follows next.Big_G_NorthWales said:
For all the attacks she receives she is more knowledgeable, more competent, and grown up than so many ,including Corbyn, and may only be missed when she has resignedPulpstar said:I'm on the "Noe" side of the bet, but I think this is a very decent winding up speech by May actually.
Hunt probably the best option for the country, though I do have some err... personal hopes for Steve Baker0 -
Next Labour leader !oxfordsimon said:Can't Corbyn sit in the Commons without having Dawn Butler next to him?
Is she his carer?
Or perhaps he is just using her for the colour of her skin....0 -
Totally off topic....just hearing about south africas new interwebs content laws. They make article 13 look well thought out.
All content has to be sent for classification, and by all it includes YouTube videos, twitch streams and sharing any unclassified content via twitter /. Facebook etc those sharing it are also liable. So retweeting a YouTube video can get you locked up.
Sounds also a perfect way to censor anything the government doesn't like.0 -
She has a permanent misery faceoxfordsimon said:Can't Corbyn sit in the Commons without having Dawn Butler next to him?
Is she his carer?
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Well precisely...RochdalePioneers said:
Can't be for her political talents (or lack thereof)oxfordsimon said:Can't Corbyn sit in the Commons without having Dawn Butler next to him?
Is she his carer?
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And Dawn Butler for Labour leaderRichard_Nabavi said:
I think David Lidington as PM while they sort out the election of Steve Baker as party leader would be entirely appropriate.Pulpstar said:
Yep, for all her faults she's probably going to be a damned sight better than whichever wonder follows next.Big_G_NorthWales said:
For all the attacks she receives she is more knowledgeable, more competent, and grown up than so many ,including Corbyn, and may only be missed when she has resignedPulpstar said:I'm on the "Noe" side of the bet, but I think this is a very decent winding up speech by May actually.
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She is lacking in the one thing that is essential for a leader, emotional intelligence. Blair had it, Cameron had it, Brown and May both lack it and is that defect that is the downfall for both.Big_G_NorthWales said:
For all the attacks she receives she is more knowledgeable, more competent, and grown up than so many ,including Corbyn, and may only be missed when she has resignedPulpstar said:I'm on the "Noe" side of the bet, but I think this is a very decent winding up speech by May actually.
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Paddy Power seems to have withdrawn the market on the month of the next election that we were having fun with this morning.0
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Only in her own head - and there is plenty of space in there...Pulpstar said:
Next Labour leader !oxfordsimon said:Can't Corbyn sit in the Commons without having Dawn Butler next to him?
Is she his carer?
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That would be the same Moggster who stated he would stick with the Bowler Hats?TheScreamingEagles said:JRM in the aye lobby.
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Lot tighter than you would expect, Tory rebels must have been cut to the minimum:
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/11116380743526809610 -
Did May really say this ? (from BBC website):
"Today we can show we can come together in the national internet..."0 -
That would be assuming the the ERG holdouts were open to reason. They're not and hopes of anything but a most godawful customs union style brexit are now dashed.Bob__Sykes said:Can't help feeling with a bit of planning the Govt could have pulled it off today by splitting it into two stages, reaching out, trying to find consensus on the PD element, and by May not announcing she was going to quit if it passed. Properly planned, and signalled a week ago when the EU confirmed the extension arrangements, this might have worked.
Announcing she was quitting was what scuppered a potentially otherwise good way of breaking the impasse. In any event, had it passed, it would have been a moment of utter triumph for her not reason to quit.
She should be quitting in half an hour when yet another defeat on her deal is announced.
Sigh,,,0 -
Emily Maitlis shamed him into it, by accusing him of taking the DUP whip .SandyRentool said:
That would be the same Moggster who stated he would stick with the Bowler Hats?TheScreamingEagles said:JRM in the aye lobby.
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Worse than the fall of Singapore? (speaking of which, how did Crispin, The King of Hyperbole Blunt vote?Richard_Nabavi said:https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1111636378209734656
Quislings! Traitors! The worst betrayal for 200 years! Even worse than when Bob Dylan went electric!
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Remarkably precise. My estimate is a little worse for gov't, c.60.Andrew said:0 -
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Yes, since 2016.CarlottaVance said:Divison.
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So, by Meaningful Vote 5 she should be almost over the line.TheWhiteRabbit said:Dan Sabbagh
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Labour sources in the division lobbies saying they think they have won comfortably0 -
So this isn’t a MV. What the hell is the point of that?0
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He said he would vote Aye.Nigel_Foremain said:
Worse than the fall of Singapore? (speaking of which, how did Crispin, The King of Hyperbole Blunt vote?Richard_Nabavi said:https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/1111636378209734656
Quislings! Traitors! The worst betrayal for 200 years! Even worse than when Bob Dylan went electric!0
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